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Trump’s big WH2020 lie could threaten democracy itself – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited November 2 in General
imageTrump’s big WH2020 lie could threaten democracy itself – politicalbetting.com

The above NBC polling has just come out and raises the worry even more that Trump’s refusal to accept last November’s outcome could have a long lasting impact on confidence in the democratic process itself.

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  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    First like Youngkin

    Let's Go Brandon!
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    First (stop the count)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 2,944
    Third - like Atalanta's next goal?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,675
    edited November 2
    EDIT: Fourth, like West Ham.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461
    Staggering that so many people can believe the lies of one man.

  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    edited November 2
    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    Third - like Atalanta's next goal?

    Ronaldo may not press, but boy can he finish.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,477
    Eighth
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    Reasons to be cheerful: the Trump frothers aren't taking the independents with them.

    Trump won't win in 2024.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461
    Farooq said:

    Reasons to be cheerful: the Trump frothers aren't taking the independents with them.

    Trump won't win in 2024.

    Hope you are right!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,861
    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 2,806
    Other polling would answer this, but I always wonder about the denominator.

    Have those who were Republicans in October 2020 lost faith in the electoral process?
    Or, have a significant number of the sane Republicans from last October left the party, so the remainder have a greater percentage of nutters (say ~60%, up fom 20%).
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    Is that an atypical number in Virginia?

    It doesn't sound very out of line with how gun crazy America is!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    When its over 50% does it need subdivision? e.g. machine gun owners? v's pistol owners? or one gun households, and living in an arsenal?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749
    edited November 2
    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    Foxy said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    Is that an atypical number in Virginia?

    It doesn't sound very out of line with how gun crazy America is!
    I have no idea - I've turned up the CNN volume but they seem to have strayed away from Viginia
    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    When its over 50% does it need subdivision? e.g. machine gun owners? v's pistol owners? or one gun households, and living in an arsenal?
    I would assume the vast majority were handguns and rifles but that's that an assumption
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,832

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
  • This is a much better caption competition


  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 2,806
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    My world is being turned upside down.

    Someone give me the figures on escargots, quick (as long as they align with my culinary world view)
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,395
    It's the Burning of Washington all over again!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/02/royal-marines-force-us-troops-surrender-just-hours-training/

    "Royal Marines have forced US troops to surrender just days into a training exercise after eliminating almost the entire unit.

    The British commandos “dominated” US forces during a training exercise in California, using a new battle structure.

    The Telegraph understands the US forces asked for a “reset” half way into the five-day war fighting exercise, having suffered significant simulated casualties.

    At one point in the battle, the commandos’ “kill board”, an intelligence assessment of the level of damage inflicted upon enemy equipment and units, had a tick against almost every American asset, indicating it had been deemed destroyed or rendered inoperable."
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    Selebian said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    My world is being turned upside down.

    Someone give me the figures on escargots, quick (as long as they align with my culinary world view)
    I daren't look.
    All I know is I find myself increasingly taken by les rosbifs, and I have stopped trusting the garlic-munchers.
  • This is a much better caption competition


    "Zat's right Meeester Johnson, keep punching yourself in ze face..."
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142

    This is a much better caption competition


    "And then you drive the blade into your own belly and slice laterally, and you have Brexited. What's French for voila?"
  • This is a much better caption competition


    So Emmanuel, if you really want to look like a wanker
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461
    CatMan said:

    It's the Burning of Washington all over again!

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/02/royal-marines-force-us-troops-surrender-just-hours-training/

    "Royal Marines have forced US troops to surrender just days into a training exercise after eliminating almost the entire unit.

    The British commandos “dominated” US forces during a training exercise in California, using a new battle structure.

    The Telegraph understands the US forces asked for a “reset” half way into the five-day war fighting exercise, having suffered significant simulated casualties.

    At one point in the battle, the commandos’ “kill board”, an intelligence assessment of the level of damage inflicted upon enemy equipment and units, had a tick against almost every American asset, indicating it had been deemed destroyed or rendered inoperable."

    Don't tell them Pike.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    JBriskin3 said:

    Foxy said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    Is that an atypical number in Virginia?

    It doesn't sound very out of line with how gun crazy America is!
    I have no idea - I've turned up the CNN volume but they seem to have strayed away from Viginia
    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    That's a demographic not normally mentioned in UK poling,
    Yes and it needs a correction knowing how pedantic PB types are

    Anyone in the household a gun owner?
    Yes 57
    No 43
    When its over 50% does it need subdivision? e.g. machine gun owners? v's pistol owners? or one gun households, and living in an arsenal?
    I would assume the vast majority were handguns and rifles but that's that an assumption
    It would seem that 44.6% of Virginians own guns! which is almost the same as the US as a whole 44.0%

    have no idea how that translates to number of people who live in a house with at lest one gun.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    They recently ran an interview with a "swing voter" in Virginia.

    Who had donated extensively to only Republican candidates, is connected to a pro confederate monument PAC and writes for Quillette.

    They are a joke of a paper.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,403

    This is a much better caption competition


    "I have in my hand a piece of paper."
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    Just a thought, but that might be partaly if there are more vegetarians in the UK than France?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461
    I didn't know the growing of rice resulted in so much methane (see BBC news tonight)

    I eat quite a lot of rice. Made me think.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    We get on with our lives?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    BigRich said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    Just a thought, but that might be partaly if there are more vegetarians in the UK than France?
    9% in UK, 5% in France. Good shout.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,191
    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,861

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    Did I ever say that? No

    The NYT's UK news coverage is hallucinogenically incorrect, as is some of its Wokery

    But is it making a fat profit from a successful subscriber model, with paywall? Yes, it is. And that is all I ever claimed
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461

    Kaitlan Collins
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    “He will vote for this,” President Biden says regarding Manchin’s potential support for his bill. “I believe that Joe will be there.”
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    Alistair said:

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    They recently ran an interview with a "swing voter" in Virginia.

    Who had donated extensively to only Republican candidates, is connected to a pro confederate monument PAC and writes for Quillette.

    They are a joke of a paper.
    Swinging between Trump and Boss Hogg?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    Alistair said:

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    They recently ran an interview with a "swing voter" in Virginia.

    Who had donated extensively to only Republican candidates, is connected to a pro confederate monument PAC and writes for Quillette.

    They are a joke of a paper.
    I remember many years ago, before the internet, going to the library and reading the New York Times, so I could get a fell of international news from a non UK perspective, at the time it seems well informed and interesting to read, how sad to see what it has become.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    I didn't know the growing of rice resulted in so much methane (see BBC news tonight)

    I eat quite a lot of rice. Made me think.

    I saw it too. Why rice? Is it to do with paddy fields?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    Farooq said:

    BigRich said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    Just a thought, but that might be partaly if there are more vegetarians in the UK than France?
    9% in UK, 5% in France. Good shout.
    More Hindus here too!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,782
    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,403
    Foxy said:

    I didn't know the growing of rice resulted in so much methane (see BBC news tonight)

    I eat quite a lot of rice. Made me think.

    I saw it too. Why rice? Is it to do with paddy fields?
    Bacteria in the water of the fields.


    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/12/07/can-grow-climate-friendly-rice/#:~:text=Rice production is estimated to,flooded fields called rice paddies.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If that is correct Dem looks value surely?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    Foxy said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If that is correct Dem looks value surely?
    That would be my take.

    57/37 split on abortion should be legal. Also sounds good for Dems.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
    Yes, they think he's about 55-60% chance.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    Ah but Biden approval similarly bad to Trump's. So who knows?
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If those numbers are correct and Younkin does go on to win, it would imply there are a lot of people who are prepared to vote for a Republican but also think of Trunp Unfavourably.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    edited November 2
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    The French eat more cock too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    edited November 2
    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    The French eat more cock too.
    Sorry, coq. You know, chicken.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    It makes sense - you don't want to influence the election with an exit poll during polling time - But the metas keep the amateur phsyologists (sorry I'm not getting close enough to the correct spelling to make it right via google/wiki) and politicos something to talk about so every one is happy.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    rcs1000 said:

    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
    Yes, they think he's about 55-60% chance.
    Thanks :)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If that is correct Dem looks value surely?
    That would be my take.

    57/37 split on abortion should be legal. Also sounds good for Dems.
    The Smarkets Dems by greater than 2.5% is value too. Currently 4.6.

    How accurate are CNN exit polls?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 17,393
    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    Makes that better-than-evens on Betfair for McAuliffe look like value.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519
    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    The French eat more cock too.
    Coq and bull?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    Just checking: Virginia polls close at 7pm EST, right?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    It makes sense - you don't want to influence the election with an exit poll during polling time - But the metas keep the amateur phsyologists (sorry I'm not getting close enough to the correct spelling to make it right via google/wiki) and politicos something to talk about so every one is happy.
    EDIT: Psephology!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    BigRich said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If those numbers are correct and Younkin does go on to win, it would imply there are a lot of people who are prepared to vote for a Republican but also think of Trunp Unfavourably.
    That would be very good news for the US and GOP, provided the GOP can then get non-Trumpists through the primaries
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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,832
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    It makes sense - you don't want to influence the election with an exit poll during polling time - But the metas keep the amateur phsyologists (sorry I'm not getting close enough to the correct spelling to make it right via google/wiki) and politicos something to talk about so every one is happy.
    Psephologists
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
    Yes
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    It has a *fabulous* cooking section.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,833

    This is a much better caption competition


    So if your boats blockade Jersey I will send the Royal Navy and we will…
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    Makes that better-than-evens on Betfair for McAuliffe look like value.
    Sorry, I read the Youngkin numbers the wrong way around, he is 53% Favourable, 44% Unfavourable.

    Oops!! Looking good for GOP.

    Sorry, they are flashing these numbers up very briefly on the screen on MSNBC
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    This is a much better caption competition


    Then Carrie said, let them eat cake...
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    TimT said:

    BigRich said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If those numbers are correct and Younkin does go on to win, it would imply there are a lot of people who are prepared to vote for a Republican but also think of Trunp Unfavourably.
    That would be very good news for the US and GOP, provided the GOP can then get non-Trumpists through the primaries
    Just what i was thinking, and perhaps a few GOPs may look at this and think the same, and start to distance themselves? but it feels as if that may not happen.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,832
    rcs1000 said:

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    This is the paper that @Leon informs us is setting the standard for news media in the 2020s.
    It has a *fabulous* cooking section.
    Which to be fair, is definitely not the Guardian's strong point.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 10,924
    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    The revolution is incomplete. The PB Ready Mealers remain vocal and numerous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,461
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
    Yes. At the moment.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 17,393
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    Makes that better-than-evens on Betfair for McAuliffe look like value.
    Sorry, I read the Youngkin numbers the wrong way around, he is 53% Favourable, 44% Unfavourable.

    Oops!! Looking good for GOP.

    Sorry, they are flashing these numbers up very briefly on the screen on MSNBC
    Ah! Considered betting on McAuliffe after the earlier post! Maybe not then. Were the figures for Trump also similarly favourable?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    Charles said:

    This is a much better caption competition


    So if your boats blockade Jersey I will send the Royal Navy and we will…
    Oh shit! I have no clue what Boris will do!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,833
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    France eats more beef than the UK, per person.
    Fr = 23 kg/person/year
    UK = 18 kg/person/year
    The French eat more cock too.
    Sorry, coq. You know, chicken.
    You’re not really sorry, are you?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    Makes that better-than-evens on Betfair for McAuliffe look like value.
    Sorry, I read the Youngkin numbers the wrong way around, he is 53% Favourable, 44% Unfavourable.

    Oops!! Looking good for GOP.

    Sorry, they are flashing these numbers up very briefly on the screen on MSNBC
    Ah! Considered betting on McAuliffe after the earlier post! Maybe not then. Were the figures for Trump also similarly favourable?
    No. Both Biden and Trump are under water.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,695
    edited November 2
    Polls close in Old Dominion in 8 minutes

    Edit - though anyone actually in line to vote by 7pm VA time should be able to cast their vote, that's standard practice in most if not all states.

    For example, here in WA State, ballots have to be returned, either to voting centers OR via drop boxes, by 8pm Pac Time. And ballos returned via the mail must be postmarked (or dated) as of today.

    At each drop box in King County, election workers will be on hand to close the box at 8pm sharp. And any ballots turned in at the location AFTER that, will NOT be counted.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    It makes sense - you don't want to influence the election with an exit poll during polling time - But the metas keep the amateur phsyologists (sorry I'm not getting close enough to the correct spelling to make it right via google/wiki) and politicos something to talk about so every one is happy.
    So how soon after poles close till we get the exit poll?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779

    Polls close in Old Dominion in 8 minutes

    I canna wait.

    Is that when we can expect the proper exit poll/polls?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 10,924

    I regret to inform you that the New York Times is at it again.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/briefing/britain-covid-cases-restrictions.html

    "Britain offers a warning of what happens when a country ignores Covid"

    We get on with our lives?
    It’s paywalled and I’ve used up my freebies, and can’t be arsed to pay 50p on Apple Pay to read it.

    But, I assume that is indeed the conclusion.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    BigRich said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    It makes sense - you don't want to influence the election with an exit poll during polling time - But the metas keep the amateur phsyologists (sorry I'm not getting close enough to the correct spelling to make it right via google/wiki) and politicos something to talk about so every one is happy.
    So how soon after poles close till we get the exit poll?
    I don't know but I'm on CNN and will post my findings as soon as possible.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    Makes that better-than-evens on Betfair for McAuliffe look like value.
    Sorry, I read the Youngkin numbers the wrong way around, he is 53% Favourable, 44% Unfavourable.

    Oops!! Looking good for GOP.

    Sorry, they are flashing these numbers up very briefly on the screen on MSNBC
    I expect a narrow Youngkin victory - say 52-48 or thereabouts.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    JBriskin3 said:

    Polls close in Old Dominion in 8 minutes

    I canna wait.

    Is that when we can expect the proper exit poll/polls?
    We get early voting returns very quickly, and some of the rural districts get on the day voting results in quickly. But Fairfax reports late. And that is a big chunk of the total vote.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,782
    BigRich said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Latest odds from BE:

    McAuliffe 2.26 / 2.4
    Youngkin 1.61 / 1.95

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.187090973

    Sorry, for asking the sillyest question of a betting site, but that means the punters are thinking a Younkin win more likely right?
    Yes. I remember asking the same sort of question not that long ago.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,861

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    The revolution is incomplete. The PB Ready Mealers remain vocal and numerous.
    I don't know anyone who isn't interested in, and informed about, food. Literally no one. Even my elderly male relatives, who can't cook, like a good meal and will talk about food and restaurants, they just can't cook stuff

    I reckon PB is a self-selecting group of quite geeky people, mainly male and middle aged or older, who have a nerdy inability to appreciate sensual pleasures

    The future belongs to the foodies. Young British people are much much foodier than the old.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,503
    TimT said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Polls close in Old Dominion in 8 minutes

    I canna wait.

    Is that when we can expect the proper exit poll/polls?
    We get early voting returns very quickly, and some of the rural districts get on the day voting results in quickly. But Fairfax reports late. And that is a big chunk of the total vote.
    There's also a lot of postal voting (like last year), and postal vote tends to skew Democratic.

    But we don't know if the postals will be counted first. It could be that what we see is:

    - postals counted, big initial Dem lead
    - rural counties come in, Republicans now lead
    - Fairfax comes in, ???
  • JBriskin3 said:

    More from the meta CNN exit poll-

    Apparently 57pc of voters are gun owners.

    I always find it so weird that Americans spent hours dribbling out bits of meta trivia about demographics of who voted from their exit polls, rather than actually just coming out and saying who they voted for.

    Contrast with the UK's General Election. Big ben bongs and then *boom* there's the result.
    The candidate results of exit polling are embargoed until AFTER the voting polls close. Other info from exits is not embargoed.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    CNN (Virginia)

    Too close to call
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    18-29yo

    Mcauliffe 53
    Youngkin 46
  • This from the (hated) NYT -

    Virginia passed a new law requiring counties to pre-process absentee ballots before the election, which should allow officials to report the result of the advance vote soon after the polls close. Pre-election polls show Mr. McAuliffe leading among early voters, so he might take an early lead if counties report the early vote first, like most states with similar laws.

    Mr. Youngkin is expected to win the Election Day vote, and he would slowly whittle Mr. McAuliffe’s early advantage away if the race is close. If there’s no decision after the Election Day vote is tabulated, which should be done on election night, it could be days before the state counts provisional or late arriving mail ballots. And those could arrive by Thursday if postmarked on or before Election Day.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    65+

    Youngkin 53
    McAuliffe 47
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Startling fact I just learned,

    The British probably (data sources differ) eat more garlic per head than the French

    That's the UK food revolution, right there

    The revolution is incomplete. The PB Ready Mealers remain vocal and numerous.
    I don't know anyone who isn't interested in, and informed about, food. Literally no one. Even my elderly male relatives, who can't cook, like a good meal and will talk about food and restaurants, they just can't cook stuff

    I reckon PB is a self-selecting group of quite geeky people, mainly male and middle aged or older, who have a nerdy inability to appreciate sensual pleasures

    The future belongs to the foodies. Young British people are much much foodier than the old.
    Im sure that you 'appreciation of sensual pleasures' makes up for any deficit the rest of us might have.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,861
    I can't remember the last time I saw a wild hedgehog
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 13,782
    "@USA_Polling

    Virginia Exit Poll:

    Youngkin:
    Favourable: 53%
    Unfavourable: 44%
    Net: +9%

    McAuliffe:
    Favourable: 44%
    Unfavourable: 53%
    Net: -9%

    - MSNBC Exit -"

    https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1455645290648719361
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    edited November 2
    Apparently the polls don't close till 26 mins in Virginia

    EDIT: Apologies that's Ohio
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    Foxy said:

    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    TimT said:

    Exit polls looking very good for the Dems. Trump Unfavourable/Favourable 54/43-ish. Younkin figures not much different

    If that is correct Dem looks value surely?
    That would be my take.

    57/37 split on abortion should be legal. Also sounds good for Dems.
    The Smarkets Dems by greater than 2.5% is value too. Currently 4.6.

    How accurate are CNN exit polls?
    JBriskin3 said:

    18-29yo

    Mcauliffe 53
    Youngkin 46

    Youngkin wins if that is accurate.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    JBriskin3 said:

    65+

    Youngkin 53
    McAuliffe 47

    That seems surprisingly close, in that age group? I had assumed a big R lead with the old and D with the young?
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