New infections 17% down vs last Tuesday - with higher tests conducted now as well. Unexpected, but great news.
It's totally expected. Every single child in the country has now had Delta in the past few months, and there's now nowhere else for the virus to go.
It's expected for people who have been paying the slightest amount of attention, for people who haven't been (Labour) they've been unnecessarily calling for plan b or plan c etc...
The virus is simply running out of viable hosts through prior infection for kids and booster jabs among older people with waning immunity. We could get a pretty big drop in infections later this month because we'll get to true herd immunity even for normal levels of socialising within indoor settings. It needs something like 90% of people to have previously been infected, have had two jabs for under 40s or three for over 40s. The government needs to expand the booster programme to anyone who wants it, the artificial limitations on it are completely counter productive.
It's interesting to talk to the people who aren't as obsessive about the detail as we are. The mood seems still to be that infections are rising.
New infections 17% down vs last Tuesday - with higher tests conducted now as well. Unexpected, but great news.
It's totally expected. Every single child in the country has now had Delta in the past few months, and there's now nowhere else for the virus to go.
It's expected for people who have been paying the slightest amount of attention, for people who haven't been (Labour) they've been unnecessarily calling for plan b or plan c etc...
The virus is simply running out of viable hosts through prior infection for kids and booster jabs among older people with waning immunity. We could get a pretty big drop in infections later this month because we'll get to true herd immunity even for normal levels of socialising within indoor settings. It needs something like 90% of people to have previously been infected, have had two jabs for under 40s or three for over 40s. The government needs to expand the booster programme to anyone who wants it, the artificial limitations on it are completely counter productive.
It's interesting to talk to the people who aren't as obsessive about the detail as we are. The mood seems still to be that infections are rising.
The numbers are "off message".
Yes, definite lack of news items on the current fall in cases.
New infections 17% down vs last Tuesday - with higher tests conducted now as well. Unexpected, but great news.
It's totally expected. Every single child in the country has now had Delta in the past few months, and there's now nowhere else for the virus to go.
It's expected for people who have been paying the slightest amount of attention, for people who haven't been (Labour) they've been unnecessarily calling for plan b or plan c etc...
The virus is simply running out of viable hosts through prior infection for kids and booster jabs among older people with waning immunity. We could get a pretty big drop in infections later this month because we'll get to true herd immunity even for normal levels of socialising within indoor settings. It needs something like 90% of people to have previously been infected, have had two jabs for under 40s or three for over 40s. The government needs to expand the booster programme to anyone who wants it, the artificial limitations on it are completely counter productive.
It's interesting to talk to the people who aren't as obsessive about the detail as we are. The mood seems still to be that infections are rising.
Like the effect of the cases themselves, public attention lags. It's one reason good leaders make a genuine difference, as they need to be able to respond before the public pushes for something, or to hold firm when it is clear things are already moving.
New infections 17% down vs last Tuesday - with higher tests conducted now as well. Unexpected, but great news.
It's totally expected. Every single child in the country has now had Delta in the past few months, and there's now nowhere else for the virus to go.
It's expected for people who have been paying the slightest amount of attention, for people who haven't been (Labour) they've been unnecessarily calling for plan b or plan c etc...
The virus is simply running out of viable hosts through prior infection for kids and booster jabs among older people with waning immunity. We could get a pretty big drop in infections later this month because we'll get to true herd immunity even for normal levels of socialising within indoor settings. It needs something like 90% of people to have previously been infected, have had two jabs for under 40s or three for over 40s. The government needs to expand the booster programme to anyone who wants it, the artificial limitations on it are completely counter productive.
It's interesting to talk to the people who aren't as obsessive about the detail as we are. The mood seems still to be that infections are rising.
That's because the ONS figure leads the reporting but no one contextualises it to point out it is effectively lagged by two weeks.
We actually had the reverse a year ago with the news reporting cases were falling even as the clear start of the Autumn second wave was forming in the case figures.
FPT re: obesity. For all that I am a fan of @NickPalmer , I'm fairly shocked and disappointed about his attitude to food. It's worrying enough that a former MP and minister has never bothered to learn to cook. It's more worrying still that a guy who has devoted much of his life to the food and farming sector (and doing great work therein) eats mostly ready meals. Food in a packet is full of shite.
Interestingly, those countries where food and home cookery is prized and children are taught from an early age to eat proper food – namely France and Italy – have among the lowest rates of obesity in the G20. Coincidence? I think not.
A major issue is that many people who don't cook have retreated into a zone of "Cooking means cooking from scratch. Too complicated and I don't have the time."
Start by cheating. I did. Buy sauce in jars, use cans. Some cooking is better than none. Progress where you can and where you have time.
One thing that is completely left out of the cooking books seems to be cooking in bulk, home freezing etc. The myth that every meal has to be 100% hand made and eaten just after cooking......
Imagine if every kid was taught how to make 10 simple, healthy meals.
Th problem is time - what people need to be taught, as well, is how to do quick cheats for cooking.
I have a go-to recipe for doing risotto in the microwave. A delicious meal in about half an hour.
Anything that has been in the microwave for half an hour will be cinders, certainly not edible.
Er, you don't cook it all in one go, 30 mins is total prep/cooking time. There's a lot of water to be absorbed by the rice too. Believe me, it is delicious!
Why not post the recipe, and let us decide for ourselves?
Cut up a leak and a couple of cloves of garlic, add about 1oz butter and some olive oil, put in a large glass bowl, cover and microwave on high for 5 mins. Meanwhile make 1.5 pints stock with boiling water. Stir 10oz risotto rice into bowl to get it well covered with oil and butter, add stock and black pepper, cook on high uncovered for 10 minutes. Meanwhile slice some mushrooms, eg about 6 or 8, after 10 minutes add to bowl, stir briefly and cook another 6 minutes on high. Stir in some grated parmesan and leave for a few minutes before serving. The recipe is in a cookbook we have (I think bbc good food) but can't find it online. Plenty of variations are possible.
Put oven on at 425/220 While oven is heating, take chicken breast out of packaging, put on baking sheet, drizzle olive oil over, salt and pepper. (less than 1 minute) Take store-bought precut and peeled veg (carrot, parsnips, broccoli, whatever) out of packaging, put on another baking sheet. Drizzle with oil, salt and pepper, toss. (1 minute) Once oven is hot, put both baking sheets in. Take out when done (20+minutes) Eat
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Yeah it's almost like channel 4 have taken over and are doing a fly on the wall documentary.
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
It doesn't even include India which probably has the most deaths of any nation. The Economist thinks India had 2.3 million excess deaths up to May 2021, and there are higher estimates from some authorities.
It's quite likely that the real death toll from covid is 2-3 times the official total, but we will only really know when experts collate data over the years ahread about what really happened in places where recording and publishing such statistics is either not done at all or done poorly.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
The only people who have used Paki at me or in my company are either racists or Pakistani heritage people who use it in a comical way or the way some black people have claimed the n word.
It is a word I have never used myself because it was a word my grandfather heard used at him and it upset him greatly.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Even if it were (and I confess I'd never heard of the term), I'm not sure I see the relevance of that when assessing how he has been treated. Him not being perfect, if that interpretation were correct, doesn't make others' unacceptable actions acceptable.
So you reckon Brenda will not give royal assent to this bill?
No she would assent to it if the Commons used the Parliament Act to overrule the Lords as she always assents to Bills passed by the Commons even if unpopular and not in the elected government's manifesto. If Charles was King though he might think a bit before signing
I'm sure this a typo, they meant 'French' instead 'US/American'.
Royal Marines have forced US troops to surrender just days into a training exercise after eliminating almost the entire unit.
The British commandos “dominated” US forces during a training exercise in California, using a new battle structure.
The Telegraph understands the US forces asked for a “reset” half way into the five-day war fighting exercise, having suffered significant simulated casualties.
At one point in the battle, the commandos’ “kill board”, an intelligence assessment of the level of damage inflicted upon enemy equipment and units, had a tick against almost every American asset, indicating it had been deemed destroyed or rendered inoperable.
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
Given the GOP won both the Virginia and New Jersey governorships in 2009 when Obama had a higher approval rating than Biden has now, they really should win at least the Virginia governorship and make gains in the Virginia and NJ legislatures tonight
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
It would also ignore that it is highly doubtful that someone using it as a shorthand always knows the nationality of the person in question, or the nationality of their antecedents, and intended nothing more than neutral summation of that person's ethnic background (and why would they need to anyway?).
People might get into a debate on the relative ranking of slurs' offensiveness, but it's not very credible that most people would be unaware of that one.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can narrowly win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
Given the GOP won both the Virginia and New Jersey governorships in 2009 when Obama had a higher approval rating than Biden has now, they really should win at least the Virginia governorship tonight
While that may seem obvious, it does also depend on the relative demographics, I.E. in the last 12 years, university educated people have moved form R to D and non University in the other Direction.
Which is why a state like Missouri, which was for a long time the ultimate bellwether, is now reasonably safe R.
Virginia and even more so New Jersey, IIRC both have above average numbers of University educated people, so should be more D than they where 12 years ago.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
There was, some years ago, a football game, in Turkey, between an English and a Turkish club where the English fans were singing that they’d ‘rather be a Paki than a Turk’.
And as a frequent visitor to Thailand I’ve never objected to being called a ‘Farang’.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
Experts have previously suggested that ministers have pushed back against scientific advice in a bid to prevent long-term damage to the UK economy, making the job of advisers difficult.
Advisers advise, ministers decide. How difficult is it for these apparently intelligent people to understand this concept?
I thought they couldn't veto money bills any more?
It's not a finance bill is it? It's the Social Security (Up-rating of Benefits) Bill.
Crap name that
Look, just be grateful they have passed Short Title Acts to make studying historic legislation easier for budding young lawyers.
Though I do like that Short Title Acts presumably also have Long Titles.
It doesn't really matter because we just make up whatever names we want! For example the Housing Grants, Construction and Regeneration Act 1996 is known simply as "the Construction Act".
It looks like the long title of the Social Security (Up-Rating of Benefits) Bill is "A Bill to make provision relating to the up-rating of certain social security benefits payable in the tax year 2022-23."
Experts have previously suggested that ministers have pushed back against scientific advice in a bid to prevent long-term damage to the UK economy, making the job of advisers difficult.
Advisers advise, ministers decide. How difficult is it for these apparently intelligent people to understand this concept?
If it was just that they pushed back that'd be a potential criticism, but they pushed back for a legitimate reason according to that. People might disagree with how they weighed up the public health and economic factors among others, but taking them into consideration is not only acceptable but necessary - not taking into account things that you should can be as bad as taking account of things you should not.
Experts have previously suggested that ministers have pushed back against scientific advice in a bid to prevent long-term damage to the UK economy, making the job of advisers difficult.
Advisers advise, ministers decide. How difficult is it for these apparently intelligent people to understand this concept?
How can you expect them to understand if they haven't studied PPE at Oxford? Come on man.
Went past a protest in George Square. Have to say it looked pretty pathetic.
I was surprised to see that Greta Thunberg was singing 'you can shove your climate crisis up your a***'.
Are you sure it wasn’t “you cannae shove your granny off the bus” ?
This passes for high culture in Glasgow.
I applaud the audacity of a Dundonian opining on what passes for high culture.
I do wonder sometimes, in the event of Scottish independence and the eventual* diminishing of the shared enemy, how long it would take for Scotland to descend into civil war.
(God help England too, if London were ever to secede. We'd remember how much the regions hate each other)
*Sure, this might never happen - we're five years on from the Brexit referendum and the EU is still the bogeyman for some Eng Nats.
Och, that’s just idle chit chat over afternoon tea in Scotland. I get that you might be sensitised to this stuff in England what with the political murders and Enemies of the People headlines but a Scottish civil war is not even in my bag of unlikely but possible outcomes. There is one strata of Scottish society that might be capable of political violence but most of them are intending to head to England in the event of Indy if Twitter is anything to go by. Apologies in advance for that!
SNP Type trying to pretend that Scotland is not divided down the middle by a "non-divisive" referendum.
Does anybody know what time we will start to get results form Virginia?
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Polls close at 19:00 local (23:00 UK time) and "We should know the early vote and mail-in vote from most counties within minutes afterwards, but the final raw vote totals will take a bit longer."
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
Given the GOP won both the Virginia and New Jersey governorships in 2009 when Obama had a higher approval rating than Biden has now, they really should win at least the Virginia governorship tonight
While that may seem obvious, it does also depend on the relative demographics, I.E. in the last 12 years, university educated people have moved form R to D and non University in the other Direction.
Which is why a state like Missouri, which was for a long time the ultimate bellwether, is now reasonably safe R.
Virginia and even more so New Jersey, IIRC both have above average numbers of University educated people, so should be more D than they where 12 years ago.
The DC area has also been consistently the or one of the fastest growing metro areas in the US. Huge numbers of high-end tech, defence, regulatory and lobbying jobs have been created in the DC to Dulles corridor over the last 20 years, and now Amazon HQ moving into Alexandria. NoVa is simply unrecognizable from when I first came here, and most of that new demographic is likely Dem-voting by large margins.
Simply to refer to what happened 12 years ago and to expect a replay is nonsense.
Experts have previously suggested that ministers have pushed back against scientific advice in a bid to prevent long-term damage to the UK economy, making the job of advisers difficult.
Advisers advise, ministers decide. How difficult is it for these apparently intelligent people to understand this concept?
If it was just that they pushed back that'd be a potential criticism, but they pushed back for a legitimate reason according to that. People might disagree with how they weighed up the public health and economic factors among others, but taking them into consideration is not only acceptable but necessary - not taking into account things that you should can be as bad as taking account of things you should not.
If ministers were leaning on them to say "oh, things aren't that bad", then that would be very bad, but I don't think any of scientists have ever shrunk from saying what they really believe.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught put playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
Has having a mistress ever been a political liability in France?
More likely the inelegance of the motorbike gear did for him.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
I doubt Starmer would be a much better leader than Hollande if he does get elected. Though I think he would at least be faithful to his wife (mind you almost all French Presidents since the strait laced De Gaulle have been adulterers, Macron is the first one who seems to be loyal to his wife, although he has had gay rumours)
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
There was, some years ago, a football game, in Turkey, between an English and a Turkish club where the English fans were singing that they’d ‘rather be a Paki than a Turk’.
And as a frequent visitor to Thailand I’ve never objected to being called a ‘Farang’.
Interesting. In Lebanon and the Fertile Crescent, faranji is also a term for foreigner, perhaps with a bias towards a western European (from the French crusaders time, I believe)
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
I got called the N-word quite a few times by a black guy I knew in Miami (I'm white, btw!). He called almost everyone that; he wouldn't say it to his boss or cops, they were always "Yessir!", or with his close black friends, they were "Negro", but all other friendly acquaintances were N-words as other Americans might use "man".
I obviously wasn't offended, in fact I rather enjoyed the novelty. I also, obviously, never called him it back - I've never called anyone it - but on reflection I'm absolutely sure he wouldn't have been at all offended if I had. I'm almost as sure that someone else would have taken offense on his behalf though!
I got introduced to this guy by a black colleague from London whose nickname, which was chosen for him by his white school friends in London but had become his preferred moniker, was Chalkie. Because chalk is white.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
Has having a mistress ever been a political liability in France?
More likely the inelegance of the motorbike gear did for him.
He was ridiculed in the media. As he was when he inspected the tallest Guards that could be found. Everyone laughed at the vertically challenged Hollande who was forced to come by train, specifically to Waterloo.!
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
That doesn't sound like Keir Starmer at all. So I disagree with HYUFD here. Unless he's saying Hollande was "Starmer on a bike with full leathers".
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
That doesn't sound like Keir Starmer at all. So I disagree with HYUFD here. Unless he's saying Hollande was "Starmer on a bike with full leathers".
Personality wise Hollande is very similar to Starmer, portrayed himself as the dull, safe pair of hands against the charismatic President Sarkozy/PM Boris after a long period of conservative rule
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
There was, some years ago, a football game, in Turkey, between an English and a Turkish club where the English fans were singing that they’d ‘rather be a Paki than a Turk’.
And as a frequent visitor to Thailand I’ve never objected to being called a ‘Farang’.
Interesting. In Lebanon and the Fertile Crescent, faranji is also a term for foreigner, perhaps with a bias towards a western European (from the French crusaders time, I believe)
There is a relationship between the terms; something to de with the first Westerners who reached Thailand.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
That doesn't sound like Keir Starmer at all. So I disagree with HYUFD here. Unless he's saying Hollande was "Starmer on a bike with full leathers".
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
People might claim they use it that way in the UK but it is not very credible, even if it were not used towards citizens, born in the UK or otherwise. I can no more tell a Laotian from a Cambodian at a glance than a Frenchman and a Belgian (or indeed a UK citizen from a non citizen). I don't think the intent in most incidents generally requires accurate assessment of national background.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
It would also ignore that it is highly doubtful that someone using it as a shorthand always knows the nationality of the person in question, or the nationality of their antecedents, and intended nothing more than neutral summation of that person's ethnic background (and why would they need to anyway?).
People might get into a debate on the relative ranking of slurs' offensiveness, but it's not very credible that most people would be unaware of that one.
I'd say it's close to the n word in offensiveness. So we have made progress from my youth when the "p*** shop" was (where I lived) normal parlance for the newsagents.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
People might claim they use it that way in the UK but it is not very credible, even if it were not used towards citizens, born in the UK or otherwise. I can no more tell a Laotian from a Cambodian at a glance than a Frenchman and a Belgian (or indeed a UK citizen from a non citizen). I don't think the intent in most incidents generally requires accurate assessment of national background.
Priti Patel complained in the Commons about having being called a ‘Paki’ in the playground. Of course, she isn’t!
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
"At best" its usage here is a catch all for anyone from the India subcontinent but more realistically it is directed at anyone who is not white but not black either. I have heard it directed at people who look more like they are from the middle east, north africa or even southern Europe. It has little to do with nationality here.
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Lords Clerks said Baroness Stroud's amendment to keep £20 uplift was out of order at Committee Stage but she still proposed it anyway - though didn't force it to a vote. She didn't propose that amendment again today at Report Stage.
I THINK today's amendment re Triple Lock is OK with the the Clerks as it doesn't specify amount of money - it allows Sec of State to adjust official earnings uplift figure as he thinks appropriate to reflect "exceptional pandemic effects". See link - it's amendment 3.
But Commons will reverse it anyway and Lords will almost certainly concede when it returns to them.
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
That doesn't sound like Keir Starmer at all. So I disagree with HYUFD here. Unless he's saying Hollande was "Starmer on a bike with full leathers".
You're sure about that?
Well he's supposedly dull as ditchwater. Roaring down the Mall on a Kawasaki 750 in full leathers on his way to a triste with Dua Lipa would tend to give the lie to that.
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
People might claim they use it that way in the UK but it is not very credible, even if it were not used towards citizens, born in the UK or otherwise. I can no more tell a Laotian from a Cambodian at a glance than a Frenchman and a Belgian (or indeed a UK citizen from a non citizen). I don't think the intent in most incidents generally requires accurate assessment of national background.
Priti Patel complained in the Commons about having being called a ‘Paki’ in the playground. Of course, she isn’t!
Oh dear, he's been ritually humiliated for months and yesterday's fishing u-turn won't have helped his mood. If he wasn't such a massive arsehole I'd be more sympathetic.
He calls Morrison a liar, Morrison discloses messages showing he is not a liar, Macron complains about the disclosure of the messages.
The last few months have been going pretty poorly for Macron. I think his attitude on Brexit has been a big factor in the UK seeking to undermine him or at least taking pleasure in it happening.
Emmanuel has been doing a pretty good job undermining himself. Don't think Boris has been exerting himself too much TBH. Remember the old saying - the current French President is always worse than his predecessor. You'd have thought after Hollande that would be for the birds, for Macron seems to be making a late play for maintaining the tradition.
Hollande was the future. Once.
No he was not!
Hollande was the French Starmer, he gives hope to Sir Keir that dull as dishwater leftwing leaders can win 1 election against a charismatic conservative incumbent after a long period of conservative rule.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
He was caught out playing away from home with a young writer/actress? riding a motorbike in full black leather gear. He was also fecking useless as President.
That doesn't sound like Keir Starmer at all. So I disagree with HYUFD here. Unless he's saying Hollande was "Starmer on a bike with full leathers".
Personality wise Hollande is very similar to Starmer, portrayed himself as the dull, safe pair of hands against the charismatic President Sarkozy/PM Boris after a long period of conservative rule
Yes I know what you're driving at. Not one of your best though for me. Hollande was awfully French. Can't see much Starmer there.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
I wish I was surprised. His tactics as set out in the report are as common as muck in undermining process then complaining about the process, and ultimately it comes down to not liking the conclusion, as it almost always does.
You find out who actually cares about standards and who only theoretically cares about them until it impacts them or their mates in moments like these.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
I wish I was surprised. His tactics as set out in the report are as common as muck in undermining process then complaining about the process, and ultimately it comes down to not liking the conclusion, as it almost always does.
You find out who actually cares about standards and who only theoretically cares about them until it impacts them or their mates in moments like these.
With the recent Rob Roberts decisions the party really is a moral sewer these days.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
I haven't commented on the Yorkshire cricket racism until now because I wanted to read what the report said. I've had a chance to do it and it's absolutely awful. The idea that calling any Asian person a "paki" is just friendly banter is ridiculous. It's racism plain and simple, if it was a black person being called the n-word it would be an open and shut case of racism, this should be too. I've been called that on a number of occasions and every single time it reminds me that we haven't defeated the casual racism that still exists in the UK. We've done well to eliminate it from hiring practices and other officialdom but now we need to extinguish racism from casual life.
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Did you read this bit?
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
Tone and intent are key here. Just as they are if I call an acquaintance a bastard. In my travels in Africa I have never heard Zimbo used as a term, though I have heard white Zimbabweans referred to as Rhodies, generally by other Rhodies. Mzungu* is quite common in Eastern and Southern Africa too, but I have never felt insulted by being called it. Generally I suppose because most Africans are studiously, even rather formally polite in general conversation.
*white person
In what tone or intent does the word Paki lose all 70+ years of the word's racist undertones and associations?
I think historical context, and perhaps more importantly, power relationships are key as to whether something is acceptable or not. On the face of it, why would Paki in relation to an actual Pakistani, be worse than Brit? But that is to ignore both the history and the power relationship.
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
If paki were simply shorthand for people from Pakistan, why do most people who are called such have nothing to do with Pakistan? It is shorthand for skin colour and not at all comparable with being called a Brit or an Aussie.
I've been out of the UK too long to really be up on how terms are used specifically in the UK. Where I travel, Paki really does tend to be used for people from Pakistan (as Afghani would be for someone from Afghanistan)
People might claim they use it that way in the UK but it is not very credible, even if it were not used towards citizens, born in the UK or otherwise. I can no more tell a Laotian from a Cambodian at a glance than a Frenchman and a Belgian (or indeed a UK citizen from a non citizen). I don't think the intent in most incidents generally requires accurate assessment of national background.
Priti Patel complained in the Commons about having being called a ‘Paki’ in the playground. Of course, she isn’t!
No, clearly she's a Desi. (Runs and hides)
To be fair, there are some rural parts of her constituency!
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Nevermind this, check out what Ed Miliband has been saying on the telly
Ummm, what point are you making? That because the Tory party is up to no good (although, I haven't been following that case), we can't comment on the Labour Party acting as apologists for China?
The other thing about current UK case numbers (which I haven't seen remarked on anywhere, yet) is that they seem to be much higher as a proportion of populations in rural areas than in the cities. The contrast is quite striking:
I assume it's related to the fact that most of the positive cases relate to under 18s. This implies that cities have generally lower proportions of under 18s than rural areas, which is, as far as I can see, completely wrong. I think it's possible that (somehow) cities have fewer teenagers than rural areas on average, but the difference probably isn't big enough to explain the entire trend. It's pretty well established that cities have lower levels of vaccinations than average, so the only other explanation I can think of is that the cities have gone through the final wave faster and are now significantly and noticeably ahead of the game in terms of pacing the decline.
What else even is there? Children in cities are more likely to refuse testing? Inner city schools aren't reporting positive cases?
I'd assumed this was because Covid rates were lower in rural areas during the pre-vaccine waves of infection because it was easier for people to keep their distance and rates of transmission were consequently lower.
Now, in the post-vaccine phase where most NPIs have been dropped there is a bit of catching up to do to fill in the gaps of immunity. So there's a stronger, later exit wave in rural areas because they avoided more deaths before the vaccine.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Remember a few weeks ago, when they said they couldn’t possibly retrospectively change the rules to make an MP found to have sexually harassed an employee face a recall?
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Remember a few weeks ago, when they said they couldn’t possibly retrospectively change the rules to make an MP found to have sexually harassed an employee face a recall?
As awful as it felt, I agreed they couldn't close off a loophole in such a way to apply restrospectively. I think there are good reasons you don't open that can of worms.
But what a dramatic way it would be to reveal that justification was nonsense. They can talk about 'pausing' all they like, complaints are supposed to be dealt with under the process in place at the time. You don't get to pause the game just before the final whistle and change the offside rule to make conceded goals not count.
Ed Miliband on Sky News blaming the UK government for the no-show by President Xi.
This is why no one takes Labour seriously.
The useless presenter interviewing him didn't ask him what Labour would have done to pressure China to turn up.
Tbf the government make a big deal of how Global Britain has great international clout and if they had managed to get Xi over they wouldn't have been shy to claim some credit for it. And as for what Labour would done, they could say they'd have fostered a different environment. Eg maybe no Aukus machinations. True or not, that's a respectable answer. As it is, they're the opposition. They're an alternative government not a parallel government.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Patterson's complaints against the findings sounded incredibly serious.
Especially that the person doing the standards investigation allegedly put in writing that she'd made her mind up before she even spoke to him. As someone who's done investigations before that is something you can never do - and certainly not something you put in writing.
It does seem odd that there's no appeal system against a dodgy finding, if it is dodgy.
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Remember a few weeks ago, when they said they couldn’t possibly retrospectively change the rules to make an MP found to have sexually harassed an employee face a recall?
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We actually had the reverse a year ago with the news reporting cases were falling even as the clear start of the Autumn second wave was forming in the case figures.
While oven is heating, take chicken breast out of packaging, put on baking sheet, drizzle olive oil over, salt and pepper. (less than 1 minute)
Take store-bought precut and peeled veg (carrot, parsnips, broccoli, whatever) out of packaging, put on another baking sheet. Drizzle with oil, salt and pepper, toss. (1 minute)
Once oven is hot, put both baking sheets in.
Take out when done (20+minutes)
Eat
Total time, 25 minutes. Active time <2 minutes
I think they close poling quite early there but don't know how long to count?
Being called a "paki" is insulting enough, then to be told that this is just friendly banter and to stop being so sensitive is completely out of order. The whole of Yorkshire CC should hang their heads in shame.
Indeed, the panel accuses Rafiq of using "offensive, racially derogatory comments" when referring to a player of Zimbabwean heritage as "Zimbo from Zimbabwe". The panel viewed this as "a racist, derogatory term" and recommends that, were Rafiq still a Yorkshire player, he should face disciplinary action for using it.
As is if Zimbo, Aussie, or Kiwi is the same as using Paki.
By the way, thanks @leon for recommending Dr Trouble chilli sauce. Both versions are tops.
My recommendation - having tried all chilli jams known to man - is Nakasero Chilli Marmalata. Awesome.
https://www.nakasero.com/product/marmalata/
My recollection in the past is that the result if it is close, will have to wait until NoVa comes in, particularly Fairfax and Alexandria, probably around 00:00-01:00 local (04:00-05:00,UK). Early voting should favour Dems, early reporting of on the day voting will favour the GOP, and the late NoVa results traditionally heavily favour Dems.
Edit: I will be looking at how Tidewater breaks (Hampton Road, Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Virginia Beach), and for relative turnout of Dem vs GOP areas. If it's low turnout in NoVa, McAuliffe could be in trouble.
*white person
It's quite likely that the real death toll from covid is 2-3 times the official total, but we will only really know when experts collate data over the years ahread about what really happened in places where recording and publishing such statistics is either not done at all or done poorly.
It is a word I have never used myself because it was a word my grandfather heard used at him and it upset him greatly.
Yougov in August found 68% of voters (and 73% of Tory voters) wanted to keep the triple lock in place
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/economy/articles-reports/2021/08/18/britons-wouldnt-ditch-pensions-triple-lock-rule
is NoVa an abbreviation for North Virginia
In comedy in the US there is this concept of never hitting down, only hitting up. So to make jokes about the idiocies of Brits is ok, but to do the same of Blacks or Jews is not. Of course, Blacks and Jews can makes jokes about themselves that would be racist for a white person to make. Similarly, women can make jokes about men that would not be acceptable the other way around.
Personally, I find this formulaic approach to comedy repulsive, but I accept the underlying truth of the importance of that power relationship issue.
I would not ever take offence at being called a whingeing pommie bastard, but then I wouldn't be surprised if someone took offence at Paki. So I avoid the term.
People might get into a debate on the relative ranking of slurs' offensiveness, but it's not very credible that most people would be unaware of that one.
On the down side for Sir Keir, Hollande also proved so unpopular he did not even run for re election
Which is why a state like Missouri, which was for a long time the ultimate bellwether, is now reasonably safe R.
Virginia and even more so New Jersey, IIRC both have above average numbers of University educated people, so should be more D than they where 12 years ago.
And as a frequent visitor to Thailand I’ve never objected to being called a ‘Farang’.
Though I do like that Short Title Acts presumably also have Long Titles.
Tells Sky News that Covid still "troubling" and UK rates "concerning"
Also warns Sage came "under huge pressure" in recent months
Scoop by @AgnesChambre https://twitter.com/AgnesChambre/status/1455611914625683457
Experts have previously suggested that ministers have pushed back against scientific advice in a bid to prevent long-term damage to the UK economy, making the job of advisers difficult.
Advisers advise, ministers decide. How difficult is it for these apparently intelligent people to understand this concept?
It looks like the long title of the Social Security (Up-Rating of Benefits) Bill is "A Bill to make provision relating to the up-rating of certain social security benefits payable in the tax year 2022-23."
Simply to refer to what happened 12 years ago and to expect a replay is nonsense.
Hopefully all the iSage tossers follow him out too.
https://twitter.com/SenatorSinema/status/1455606373480341512
More likely the inelegance of the motorbike gear did for him.
I obviously wasn't offended, in fact I rather enjoyed the novelty. I also, obviously, never called him it back - I've never called anyone it - but on reflection I'm absolutely sure he wouldn't have been at all offended if I had. I'm almost as sure that someone else would have taken offense on his behalf though!
I got introduced to this guy by a black colleague from London whose nickname, which was chosen for him by his white school friends in London but had become his preferred moniker, was Chalkie. Because chalk is white.
'President Biden praised Prince Charles’ leadership on the environment and climate change.
“We need you badly…and I’m not just saying that” @POTUS said to Charles when the two met earlier saying he got “the whole thing going” adding “that’s how it all started”
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1455608024517726215?s=20
https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1455615159947440136?s=20
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Is he upset it's not falling even faster?
I make sure to call them "Indian or Pakistani" shops because I used to read the guardian.
I used to frequent the Guardian talkboards in the late nineties and I remember there was a prominent Irish pro-IRA member who also posted there.
He said he made sure to never call us "Brits" because "Brits" was a term of abuse where he came from.
I made sure I would always class myself as a Brit (a half-caste one for what it's worth) from that point onwards.
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Lords Clerks said Baroness Stroud's amendment to keep £20 uplift was out of order at Committee Stage but she still proposed it anyway - though didn't force it to a vote. She didn't propose that amendment again today at Report Stage.
I THINK today's amendment re Triple Lock is OK with the the Clerks as it doesn't specify amount of money - it allows Sec of State to adjust official earnings uplift figure as he thinks appropriate to reflect "exceptional pandemic effects". See link - it's amendment 3.
But Commons will reverse it anyway and Lords will almost certainly concede when it returns to them.
https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/43347/documents/850
NEW: Am told an amendment is set to be tabled to the Owen Paterson motion tomorrow by his supporters which would pause his case pending a review of the standards system led by John Whittingdale.
Government whips currently canvassing MPs on whether they would consider backing it
The review would have 8 backbenchers, 4 of them Tory. Whittingdale, as the chair and 9th member, would have the casting vote.
So a Conservative majority to change the standards system in response to findings against Paterson, one of their own
Huge dustup coming tomorrow
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1455605747929264130
You find out who actually cares about standards and who only theoretically cares about them until it impacts them or their mates in moments like these.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-dad-killed-daughters-boyfriend-he-believed-sold-her-for-1000-police
Or maybe it has been already. Multiple times.
If you let her go, that'll be the end of it. But if you don't, I will hunt you down, I will find you, and I will kill you.
Now, in the post-vaccine phase where most NPIs have been dropped there is a bit of catching up to do to fill in the gaps of immunity. So there's a stronger, later exit wave in rural areas because they avoided more deaths before the vaccine.
https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1455630227619594248
Does China?
I know the Chinese do like to gamble.
But what a dramatic way it would be to reveal that justification was nonsense. They can talk about 'pausing' all they like, complaints are supposed to be dealt with under the process in place at the time. You don't get to pause the game just before the final whistle and change the offside rule to make conceded goals not count.
Especially that the person doing the standards investigation allegedly put in writing that she'd made her mind up before she even spoke to him. As someone who's done investigations before that is something you can never do - and certainly not something you put in writing.
It does seem odd that there's no appeal system against a dodgy finding, if it is dodgy.
Retrospective punishment is a different matter to retrospectively putting in an appeal system.
My reading is basically he is in a sulk because he wanted to impose restrictions 11 days ago and then take credit for the falling cases!