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Farage, the gift that keeps on giving.

EU steel tariff hike threatens 'biggest ever crisis' for UK industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy875px79po
The EU has announced plans to hike tariffs on imported steel in a move the UK's steel industry has said could be "perhaps the biggest crisis" it has ever faced.
The commission has set out plans to cut the amount of steel that can be imported into the bloc by half - beyond which the new 50% tariffs will apply.
The EU is the UK's most important export destination for steel, worth nearly £3bn and representing 78% of steel products made in the UK for overseas markets.
The commission has come under pressure from some member states and their steel industries, which have been struggling to compete with cheap imports from countries like China and Turkey.
The EU is proposing to reduce tariff-free quotas for imports to 18.3 million tonnes a year – a 47% reduction from 2024 levels...

The theory that tariffs affect the country imposing them rather than the country they are imposed upon seems to have gone missing on Remainer PB this evening.

Perhaps it was never quite that simple in the first place.

Tariffs damage both our country and the EU.

80% of our steel exports go there, or used to.

But Brexit put us in this bad place.

We do, however, buy more of their steel than they do ours.

Being out has tariff advantages too: not paying 25% tariffs on Chinese EVs like our EU cousins, for example.

I wonder what, if anything, we will tariff in response to these steel tariffs.

Yes, so a tariff war damages us from both sides.

Putting up trade barriers to our largest and closest market was supreme folly.

Indeed if we were still in the EU we may have been able to stop a tariff war with other producers too.

May be we could have a common trading area without all the politics stuff? Wouldn’t that be grand.

The problem is... you can't and you never could. Making economic decisions is political by definition. Heath knew that at the time and said so clearly. Those looking for apolitical economics are wishing for the Moon.

Of course these things are political. But that doesn’t mean you need a “ever closer union” monetary union, freedom of movement, etc etc

Well, 27 countries have agreed to precisely that. That's the deal, not some anaemic non Union which doesn't exist and which it appears no one else supports.

Which is why we left.

And why it’s so dull the jabs from people like @Foxy - they just state a true fact (a free trade area is better) without talking about the costs (the political baggage) and think it’s some kind of killer point.

Brexit has failed, indeed it is the primary reason that our nation is so divided and run down.

So we have the man most responsible for that debacle in pole position for PM in 2029.

We never learn.

Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.

He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)

If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.

I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.

If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.

Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.

Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.

If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.

It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!

I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.

Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.

I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.

Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).

I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.

Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news

Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm

Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).

You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.

I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking

1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party

or

2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?

The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos

I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems

A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...

Everyone but the English.......

What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK

Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!

I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.

Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.

You meanie,

I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.

I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.

It's cold outside...

We're not baited by it though, we just laugh or cringe.

Brexit has destroyed the Conservative Party, so its not all bad...

Nah. Doesn't work.

What, Brexit or the Conservative Party?

They will share a common grave, unmourned.

I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.

If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.

Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.

We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.

Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.

If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.

It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!

I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.

Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.

I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.

Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).

I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.

Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news

Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm

Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).

You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.

I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking

1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party

or

2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?

The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos

I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems

A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...

Everyone but the English.......

What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK

Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!

I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.

Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.

Evening all

Two very different polls from Freshwater and YouGov.

Jenrick's antics made sure the defection of 20 councillors from the Conservatives to Reform (moving Reform ahead of the Greens in councillor numbers) didn't get the attention it might otherwise have received.

As someone who lives in an area with few "white British" faces currently (though I sense that's starting to change as new housing is bringing people into the area), I can't say it bothers me all that much. It may bother others - the main people speaking English are the children who mingle together indifferent to ethnicity, gender and creed.

Once again, we see from another Badenoch interview the debate has moved from immigration to integration. I'm not sure what it is people want or expect - do I feel any less British surrounded by Muslims and Hindus? In truth, no. Britain isn't about the colour of your skin or the God to whom you pray - never has been. It is about people living and working together and the fact we have a family of Catholics from the Phillipines on one side and a young Indian couple on the other side makes no odds.

The Anglican church houses both a Tamil Christian congregation and a couple of groups of evangelicals from sub-saharan Africa. Up the road, I see the older Muslim men walking toward the mosque to pray - it may not be the Vicar cycling past the village green as cricket is being played but it's my community and I see no problem with it.

Farage on GB News just said 'I agree very strongly with Robert and his remarks in his speech today.'

Confirming again Jenrick is not the man to take on Farage, even if he might be a successor to Farage as a leader of the right

Jenrick's comments were of course vile racist crap and illustrate what a thoroughly nasty man he is. But they were also astonishingly stupid even on his own terms. The area of Birmingham he was so critical of is actually extremely diverse rather than being some kind of ghetto populated by a single insular community. Only some "they all look the same to me" moron like Jenrick could have got it as wrong as he did. If white British people have chosen not to live there maybe that's something he could consider taking up with them.
It does make me wonder whether Britain is in danger of becoming a dangerous place to live for anyone who isn't a "white face". That's the path we are on if supposedly mainstream politicians are now casually tossing out this kind of pig ignorant bile.

Trouble is, we all think it's bonkers, but last time I checked polling support for the triple-lock was very strong, even among younger voters.

Yup

Keeping the TL is extremely bad government, but scrapping it is even worse politics. And I suspect that it's naive to think that explaining the mathematical facts to the public will be persuasive.

Bottom line, it needs a government that is doomed, knows it is doomed, and therefore decides to go out in a blaze of posthumous glory. I get why Sunak and Hunt didn't spend their last year doing the right things, but they had the opportunity.

The Tories were once a party which prided itself on fiscal rectitude.

Did you mean rectal fistitude?