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Jimmy Kimmel's show pulled over comments about Charlie Kirk
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1968458505293025300

Here’s the clip about Charlie Kirks death — that led to Jimmy Kimmel being pulled from 32 ABC stations:

https://x.com/JeremyKamali/status/1968449885096603692/video/1

The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.

Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.

The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.

These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.

As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.

The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.

LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.

This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.

At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?

The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/melissa-hortman-mike-lee-minnesota

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2025/06/17/sen-mike-lee-takes-down-x-posts-after-widespread-criticism/

Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.

As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.

Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.

In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.

The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/rep-ilhan-omar-cruelly-stomps-on-conservative-activist-charlie-kirks-legacy-full-of-s/

It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.

Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.

I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.

There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.

Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?

And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.

It’s the same group of people celebrating both murders, the online left, and the Charlie quotes you mention are all a long way out of context, deliberately so to try and paint him in a negative light - before his body is even cold.

He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.

It's the George W Bush quote again:

"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions."

It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...

Lies from whom?

The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.

I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.

It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.

Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?

No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.

My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.

South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.

South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.

There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.

(Snip)

So you are making an assumption about what's going on.

We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rzngd9k2o

Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.

A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.

Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.

I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.

I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.

There's never been this environment before.

If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".

No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.

I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.

But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.

(Snip)

Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.

And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.

I think you are making a foul of yourself here.

Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....

In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....

You made a statement: " They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it. "

That is an assumption, and it is far from 'clearly'. AIUI South Park do not often pull episodes at the last moment, and have thrived on being edgy. What has changed is the media environment and the "free speech" right canning people they don't like. I think you are wrong when you discount that environment.

It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...

Lies from whom?

The people who were crying out about the so-called cancel wars, including on here.

I think what is happening was extremely predictable and what some of us warned. The "other side" eventually gets the stick and is repeating the same approach, then the pendulum with swing back the other way and rinse and repeat.

It is why for instance I have had a very consistent line on people previous dodgy tweets. We should allow people to apologize for them and move on, unless it is a consistent pattern of behaviour. I don't care you twattered a dodgy thing 10 years ago when you were 20, particularly if we are now reinterpreting them through modern lens.

Do you think the cancellation of Kimmel is correct?

No. Not on the basis of a joke in poor taste. You can say they got it badly wrong here, but that doesn't mean you cancel them. An genuine apology would have been enough.

My point was that these shows have stopped being funny. Its not jokes, its political point scoring. And the audience are demonstrating that they think it too, with their feet. Nobody watches them anymore. So ultimately they will get cancelled because they cost a tonne of money to put on, the hosts are paid incredibly well and the revenue isn't coming in.

South Park are absolutely blasting Trump, but my god is this season funny. They also clearly had an episode in the can that probably is in very poor taste given what has gone on and so have pulled it.

South Park is often 'very poor taste'. What they may be afraid of is people using that to cancel them. Which might well make them *less* funny.

There is poor taste and there is poor taste. They love to go with the shock value, so in poor taste is e.g. showing an AI tiny penis of Trump. That's different from if they had made an episode for this week which by chance that showed a Charlie Kirk-esque figure getting murdered.

(Snip)

So you are making an assumption about what's going on.

We in the UK need to be *very* careful not to import this concept of control of speech from the USA. Sadly, from his comments in the USA recently, Farage quite likes it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rzngd9k2o

Given South Park has been going for 27 seasons, there is quite a fair bit of evidence on how they act. They did episodes showing the Prophet Muhammad and also taken big swipes at all the religious figures. I don't think they self censor because they worry too much about if they might get cancelled or who they might upset.

A bit like Carr or Ricky Gervias, they aren't getting kicked off telly and they have more money than god. They got $1.5 billion to make 50 episodes. They don't do it for the money any more.

Thus, for them to pull an episode, I have to conclude they wrote one that will be really really insensitive given the recent events.

I think that's a wild assumption, given what's happening over in America.

I really don't. I see no evidence to believe South Park creators would suddenly get into self censorship over worries about people wanting to "cancel" them. They never have before.

There's never been this environment before.

If you are willing to go and make tv episodes that will offend huge numbers of Muslims and not exactly unknown for that to turn to something much worse than some angry letter writing, then I don't think you give a crap about what Trump or the current environment might be from a purely "will this get me in trouble".

No Muslims had the capability to force them off the air. Trump and the Republicans do, and have been wielding that power.

I think you are really overplaying this. Some people who didn't worry about the possibility of radical Islamist nutters coming at them, are worried about Trump. Come on.

But lets imagine Trump got one of the most popular tv shows shit canned.

(Snip)

Why not? For Trump it's all about power, isn't it? His supporters would love it, even if they like South Park. A strong president, doing strong things.

And yes, the 'Islamic nutters' did not have the same sort of power that the Trump and the Republicans have at the moment.

I think you are making a foul of yourself here.

Islamic nutters have killed cartoonists. And that didn't scare them. They have gone hard at the Scientologists, who are notorious litigious and pretty powerful lobby in the US. You think they worry about the worst possible scenario is their show goes online only. Come on man....

In fact if Trump did get their show kicked off cable tv, I think they would lean into it...the show that was too hot for tv.....

I don't believe Jessops is making a fool of himself at all, his argument seems perfectly cogent to me based on events. I am not so sure you are on such firm ground.

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Jimmy Kimmel's show pulled over comments about Charlie Kirk
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1968458505293025300

Here’s the clip about Charlie Kirks death — that led to Jimmy Kimmel being pulled from 32 ABC stations:

https://x.com/JeremyKamali/status/1968449885096603692/video/1

The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.

Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.

The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.

These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.

As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.

The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.

LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.

This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.

At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?

The articles below reference a couple of posts: (I) saying that “this is what happens when Marxists don’t get their way” and another with a picture of the killer captioned “nightmare on waltz street”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/17/melissa-hortman-mike-lee-minnesota

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2025/06/17/sen-mike-lee-takes-down-x-posts-after-widespread-criticism/

Ah okay thanks. So he was making comments about the murderer rather than the victim, which were called insensitive by friends of the victim, and which Sen. Lee took down after the friends spoke to him in person.

As opposed to this week, where people have been openly mocking the victim himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.

Show me any elected official, let alone a senator, who “openly mocking the victim [Kirk] himself, saying he deserved it and compiling lists of who should be the next victims.” I would be very surprised.

In the clip someone posted Kimmel barely said anything about Kirk but focused on Trump’s lack of empathy. It’s not very funny, but neither is it offensive.

The NY Post collated a list of inappropriate comments from elected officials on the day of the shooting, starting with Rep. Ilhan Omar and Gov. JB Pritzker.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/rep-ilhan-omar-cruelly-stomps-on-conservative-activist-charlie-kirks-legacy-full-of-s/

It's not unreasonable to take issue with many of Charlie Kirk's positons, while deeply regretting his murder and hoping that the perpetrator is appropriately punished.

Just as you correctly noted that George Floyd was far from being as pure as driven snow.

I personally don’t understand anyone celebrating a murder, or inded saying anything more than it’s a horrible event and offering prayers and support to the family of the deceased.

There’s two American killings that have really made me wake up this year. The murder of Charlie Kirk is one, and the murder of Brian Thompson the other. No-one ever deserves to be assasinated in this way, and the reaction to these two killings in particular has been astonishing to witness.

Yes, but who has "celebrated a murder" over Charlie Kirk?

And highlighting Kirk's statements on the acceptability of gun violence, that empathy is a bad thing, that black people Muslims and women are inferior etc is just highlighting his teachings and illustrating who he was.

It’s the same group of people celebrating both murders, the online left, and the Charlie quotes you mention are all a long way out of context, deliberately so to try and paint him in a negative light - before his body is even cold.

He was a middle-of-the-road conservative Christian youth movement leader, who believed in marriage and didn’t believe in abortion.

It's good to see that all the criticism we saw of so-called 'cancel culture' were lies. It's perfectly fine to cancel voices and people if they're your political enemies...

Lies from whom?

Those people who are defending Lucy Connelly. I understand that Starmer is expected to take a beating from Trump today based on an interview I heard with the top dog at Republicans Abroad, Greg Something-or-other saying something like "the imprisonment of Lucy Connolly for her opinions run contrary to the First Amendment, something that we Americans take as sacrosanct, in fact if we hadn't had the First Amendment we wouldn't have had the Second, Third, Fourth..."*

*My precis, but I kid you not, that is more-or-less what he said.

Connolly.

It looks like I hedged my bets and referred to her both as "Connelly" and "Connolly". Perhaps if I had stuck with Queen of all our hearts I would have been in safer ground.

How you choose to view her is up to you.

You seem somewhat obsessed with her.

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Sky News@SkyNews
Jimmy Kimmel's show pulled over comments about Charlie Kirk
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1968458505293025300

Here’s the clip about Charlie Kirks death — that led to Jimmy Kimmel being pulled from 32 ABC stations:

https://x.com/JeremyKamali/status/1968449885096603692/video/1

The comedy writers for these late night shows have lost their way. Its not able coming up with good gags, its all about political point scoring.

Yes the president is a douche bag, but its not your job to every night hold him to account (that is what the news media is there for), it was supposed to be to write some funny gags that America could do a bit of escapism after a hard days work.

The straw that broke the camel’s back with Kimmel, making up his own untruths about a political assassination.

These shows all stopped being funny and a way to unwind a long time ago, and this was the excuse that the network affiliates needed to pull the plug.

As with Colbert before him, the show has been losing money for a long time, as going out to alienate half your audience does that.

The new South Park episode didn’t come out last night either, one suspects a hasty rewrite of much of the material didn’t happen in time.

LOL. You do realise how many 'untruths' your side were saying in the aftermath? And how differently Republicans who celebrated the deaths of Melissa Hortman and her husband? Utah senator Mike Lee is still in place, as an example.

This is nothing about jokes, or offence. It is about control of speech.

At the risk of feeding the troll, what exactly did Sen. Mike Lee say in the aftermath of the murder of Melissa Hortman?

LOL. You're calling me a troll?

As for Lee, look it up. It's quite a simple Google.