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A big political story before the Easter weekend was the suspension for six months of leading UKIP figure, Suzanne Evans, who for a few days last May was acting leader of the party.
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Whatever happened to Diane James? She, like Suzanne Evans was impressive.0
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"UKIP's Diane James and Chris Wood discussed the suspension of their former deputy chairman of the party, Suzanne Evans, who has lost a High Court bid to overturn the decision.
Diane James, an MEP claimed it was a case of revenge by the former candidate for the London Assembly, saying: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.""
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She was on recently saying Suzanne was a woman scorned.0
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Adil Rashid didn't go for a boundary in his first over
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Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew0
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Any ides what would be a winning score?
It feels 170 ish.0 -
On topic:
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I'm done with backing "should be no longer than 6-4" favourites for job vacancies that might possibly come up 5 years down the line
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Steven Wolfe always comes across well - is the 6/1 value?0
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I'd say the top two in the betting are unlikely to be in UKIP after the referendum... must be massive value in other candidates0
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Not a patch on Diane James in my opinion.0
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FPT:
Tata are not really losing 1m a day. The accounting 'loss' will be 1m, but a large chunk of that will be depreciation and amortization. I very much doubt cash outflows at PT exceed more than 50-70m a year - simply because the wage bill at PT isn't going to be more than 500k-1m a week, and if they have negative gross margin (i.e. they sell things for less than cost, even with labour excluded), then the plant would be (or certainly should be) silent.watford30 said:RCS, in your opinion, why do you think Tata are losing £1M a day at Port Talbot?
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Should Farage stand down after the referendum she'll be in no place to stand for leadership.0
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Going to be chasing a big big total in the cricket. Need vs SA style heroics to win.0
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Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?0
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~ 1-2 the top 2 in the betting !0
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So you think UKIP are unlikely to have any MPs after the referendum I'm guessing then?isam said:I'd say the top two in the betting are unlikely to be in UKIP after the referendum... must be massive value in other candidates
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Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
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What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
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*slight Godwin alert* Even Karl Dönitz lasted longer.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike, you've used the wrong photo
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/7151531340546867200 -
Golden Mo, or as Geoffrey calls him not much of a bowler he is....0
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So that would make Farage = HitlerHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
*slight Godwin alert* Even Karl Dönitz lasted longer.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike, you've used the wrong photo
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NZ well on target for 200.
The problem is that in one of their matches they did not concede a boundary in about their last 5 overs. England need wickets and fast.
(there's one).
great comment on cricinfo: "Nerveless catch from Mo, who's taken one look at Kane and said "My beard's bigger than yours, son".0 -
Wasn't that the very reason for a six month suspension? So she wasn't eligible to succeed Farage?tlg86 said:Should Farage stand down after the referendum she'll be in no place to stand for leadership.
UKIP really are a laughing stock. Just the plaything of Farage, the EU's useful idiot.0 -
I see on the previous thread that the usual suspects are explaining how the economy shrinking by c.3% will be fine. I hope you starve.0
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OT What on Earth have The Times done to their website? It's bloody awful.0
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FPT:Pulpstar said:
Let's try a little reverse jinx:
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Why do we bother playing both Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid btw ?
I'll ask this before the inevitable "two overs each"
Why not just Moeen ? His bowling goes for no more than Rashid and he is the better batsman.0 -
You pick two spinners for the flexibility - sometimes they bowl all 8 overs if there's no swing.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
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Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
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Chris Grayling doing something useful shocker
Warring Brexit groups have held a secret peace meeting chaired by a cabinet minister after months of bitter infighting, The Sun can reveal.
A very public civil war between the various Eurosceptic factions has blighted the “Out” campaign so far, but insiders say Monday’s talks headed up by Chris Grayling were “incredibly productive”.
Representatives from the Leave.EU group and Grassroots Out met at the Westminster HQ of Vote Leave to try settle their differences ahead of the election watchdog picking one of them to be the official face of “Leave”.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7038196/Eurosceptic-groups-hold-peace-talks-after-months-of-infighting-over-Brexit.html0 -
No people are explaining how a worst-case potential 2% change over a decade is a rounding error compared to our general forecasting or a recession. Which it is.matt said:I see on the usual suspects are explaining how the economy shrinking by c.3% will be fine. I hope you starve.
That's less than an average 0.2% a year. Growth rates vary by more than that from Autumn Statement to the following Budget every year.0 -
Without the natural charmTheScreamingEagles said:
So that would make Farage = HitlerHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
*slight Godwin alert* Even Karl Dönitz lasted longer.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike, you've used the wrong photo
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/7151531340546867200 -
Ok, From all the tourney I've watched Rashid just seems to get spanked every timeTissue_Price said:
You pick two spinners for the flexibility - sometimes they bowl all 8 overs if there's no swing.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
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It shrank 8% under Brown. The Coalition had to massively increase food banks as a consequence.matt said:I see on the previous thread that the usual suspects are explaining how the economy shrinking by c.3% will be fine. I hope you starve.
Or were you one of those bitching about the increase in food banks? Were you hoping they'd starve too?0 -
NICIC?TheScreamingEagles said:
So that would make Farage = HitlerHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
*slight Godwin alert* Even Karl Dönitz lasted longer.TheScreamingEagles said:Mike, you've used the wrong photo
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/7151531340546867200 -
Presumably Michael Gove will come in and reverse everything Grayling has agreed?TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling doing something useful shocker
Warring Brexit groups have held a secret peace meeting chaired by a cabinet minister after months of bitter infighting, The Sun can reveal.
A very public civil war between the various Eurosceptic factions has blighted the “Out” campaign so far, but insiders say Monday’s talks headed up by Chris Grayling were “incredibly productive”.
Representatives from the Leave.EU group and Grassroots Out met at the Westminster HQ of Vote Leave to try settle their differences ahead of the election watchdog picking one of them to be the official face of “Leave”.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7038196/Eurosceptic-groups-hold-peace-talks-after-months-of-infighting-over-Brexit.html0 -
No mention of spankings please.Pulpstar said:
Ok, From all the tourney I've watched Rashid just seems to get spanked every timeTissue_Price said:
You pick two spinners for the flexibility - sometimes they bowl all 8 overs if there's no swing.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
I'm still traumatised by Mr Freggles putting the image of Nick Clegg getting spanked for 33k at a time, in my head last night.0 -
He had a brilliant Big Bash. These pitches don't seem to have suited him as much. (He can bat, too, though not as well as Moeen.)Pulpstar said:
Ok, From all the tourney I've watched Rashid just seems to get spanked every timeTissue_Price said:
You pick two spinners for the flexibility - sometimes they bowl all 8 overs if there's no swing.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
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Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.0 -
England keeping this reasonably tight I think... Might be able to keep it under 190 perhaps.0
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How dare you speak that way of the Nations most popular leader according to the gold standard ratingsMorris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.
Anyway, bettingwise, if you think it is a cult of Nigel, look for one of his acolytes as next leader I would say, rather than the two at the top of the betting who hate him0 -
Post of the day.Tissue_Price said:
Presumably Michael Gove will come in and reverse everything Grayling has agreed?TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling doing something useful shocker
Warring Brexit groups have held a secret peace meeting chaired by a cabinet minister after months of bitter infighting, The Sun can reveal.
A very public civil war between the various Eurosceptic factions has blighted the “Out” campaign so far, but insiders say Monday’s talks headed up by Chris Grayling were “incredibly productive”.
Representatives from the Leave.EU group and Grassroots Out met at the Westminster HQ of Vote Leave to try settle their differences ahead of the election watchdog picking one of them to be the official face of “Leave”.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7038196/Eurosceptic-groups-hold-peace-talks-after-months-of-infighting-over-Brexit.html
I've never really understood how Grayling made it near the top of the Tory party. Am I missing something?0 -
How many bloody wides have we bowled?0
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I still can't believe Grayling was ex SDP.Mortimer said:
Post of the day.Tissue_Price said:
Presumably Michael Gove will come in and reverse everything Grayling has agreed?TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling doing something useful shocker
Warring Brexit groups have held a secret peace meeting chaired by a cabinet minister after months of bitter infighting, The Sun can reveal.
A very public civil war between the various Eurosceptic factions has blighted the “Out” campaign so far, but insiders say Monday’s talks headed up by Chris Grayling were “incredibly productive”.
Representatives from the Leave.EU group and Grassroots Out met at the Westminster HQ of Vote Leave to try settle their differences ahead of the election watchdog picking one of them to be the official face of “Leave”.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7038196/Eurosceptic-groups-hold-peace-talks-after-months-of-infighting-over-Brexit.html
I've never really understood how Grayling made it near the top of the Tory party. Am I missing something?0 -
Plunkett bags Munro.0
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Is the ambition for UKIP to have a future or to get out of Europe? The two are mutually exclusive.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.0 -
Could do with a couple more straight away...Tissue_Price said:Plunkett bags Munro.
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No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.0 -
The problem is that if you put the ball anywhere near the batsmen they hit it. Hard. Bowling under that kind of pressure is brutal.FrancisUrquhart said:How many bloody wides have we bowled?
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Ross Taylor in at 5. This is some team.0
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13.1(2) was as wide as you'll see in T20 not called a wide. In fact it looked identical to the previous wide !DavidL said:
The problem is that if you put the ball anywhere near the batsmen they hit it. Hard. Bowling under that kind of pressure is brutal.FrancisUrquhart said:How many bloody wides have we bowled?
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TheScreamingEagles said:
No mention of spankings please.Pulpstar said:
Ok, From all the tourney I've watched Rashid just seems to get spanked every timeTissue_Price said:
You pick two spinners for the flexibility - sometimes they bowl all 8 overs if there's no swing.Pulpstar said:
Dunno, is it a rule that we need to play 2 spinners to get out our four overs btw ? Not sure why we don't use Ali for all 4 overs if not.Philip_Thompson said:Why don't we have a Fine Leg fielder? Seems to be boundary after boundary going to that position?
I'm still traumatised by Mr Freggles putting the image of Nick Clegg getting spanked for 33k at a time, in my head last night.
Wasn't Clegg the one doing the spanking?
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And this is without Brendon McCullum ...who is still good enough to play in this.DavidL said:Ross Taylor in at 5. This is some team.
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Not that I'm aware of.MarqueeMark said:
It shrank 8% under Brown. The Coalition had to massively increase food banks as a consequence.matt said:I see on the previous thread that the usual suspects are explaining how the economy shrinking by c.3% will be fine. I hope you starve.
Or were you one of those bitching about the increase in food banks? Were you hoping they'd starve too?
Yes it shrank by 8%. Deliberately inflicting further damage in the hope that there is something better seems slightly thoughtless.0 -
I honestly hope there is therapy for bowlers after this. You are right though. The 7th ball of Rashid's over cost another 4.FrancisUrquhart said:
And this is without Brendon McCullum ...who is still good enough to play in this.DavidL said:Ross Taylor in at 5. This is some team.
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Mr. Isam, a shame for Farage that whenever a constituency gets the opportunity to make him their MP they inexplicably decline.0
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England need to get Cory Anderson out of there now or this game is going bye bye.0
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I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
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If LEAVE wins there is no need for UKIP. No wonder Farage is trying hard to lose.Philip_Thompson said:
Is the ambition for UKIP to have a future or to get out of Europe? The two are mutually exclusive.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.
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The last thing Nigel wants to do is kill the goose laying the golden eggs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
If LEAVE wins there is no need for UKIP. No wonder Farage is trying hard to lose.Philip_Thompson said:
Is the ambition for UKIP to have a future or to get out of Europe? The two are mutually exclusive.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.0 -
I think England pretty much have this one won, New Zealand have gone nowhere since a decent start.0
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Basically you are a Farage Fan boy. Pathetic.isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
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Isnt it incredible how memes set in on here.. repetition maybe?TCPoliticalBetting said:
If LEAVE wins there is no need for UKIP. No wonder Farage is trying hard to lose.Philip_Thompson said:
Is the ambition for UKIP to have a future or to get out of Europe? The two are mutually exclusive.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.
LEAVE haven't been closer in the polls since the referendum was called, while Farage is way clear in the leader ratings, but people say he is a drag on the cause and is trying to lose! Why let facts get in the way?
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Seeing Paul Nuttall's name always reminds me of Stewart Lee's sketch about him. I don't think even UKIP are stupid enough to elect Nuttall leader.0
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I just do not understand this idolisation of Suzanne Evans . A political campaigner of even less success than Farage . She went from polling over 2,200 standing as a Conservative in her Merton ward to just over 300 standing as UKIP .0
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Although they wouldn't admit it UKIP would probably quite like to see England vote Leave and the overall result be Remain due to Scotland. That would likely give them a big boost in the polls.Philip_Thompson said:
Is the ambition for UKIP to have a future or to get out of Europe? The two are mutually exclusive.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
The sooner Farage is gone the better. UKIP, to have a future, need to be a party, not a Cult of Nigel.0 -
If you were told that there was a risk that if things went really badly for you, your income in 10 years' time would be 97.5% of what it would otherwise have been, I think you'd cope.matt said:I see on the previous thread that the usual suspects are explaining how the economy shrinking by c.3% will be fine. I hope you starve.
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Your Gold Standard leader ratings love him too MickeyMikeSmithson said:
Basically you are a Farage Fan boy. Pathetic.isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
As a gesture, you can have Even money with me Carswell OR Evans next UKIP leader.
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Full tosses clearly the way forward.
This over is surely the T20 equivalent of Trump vs Clinton. The bowling is bad, but the batting is worse !0 -
At least your average man in the street has heard of our leader.MikeSmithson said:
Basically you are a Farage Fan boy. Pathetic.isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!0 -
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Of all prominent UKIP speakers, I think she's second-best. An informal ranking (which may change as I hear new things from them) would be:isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
1) Carswell
2) Evans
3) Farage
4) James
Naturally, political biases and presentation preferences play into that. Also her work on the 2015 manifesto was very good (as I said before the election). A world better than the 2010 mess.0 -
Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
Suzanne Evans might be the best possible voice for Brexit. Boris is floundering, Gove is divisive (check Farage, Galloway) but Evans passes the normal test. An affluent sounding southerner might not be the best person to be the next Ukip leader but for the rather misanthropic looking leave campaign might be just the tonic.0
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NEw Zealand have ch ch ch ch chooooooked here.0
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Well the organisations have had a 'make up' meeting. Hope logic and not personalities has won.FrankBooth said:Suzanne Evans might be the best possible voice for Brexit. Boris is floundering, Gove is divisive (check Farage, Galloway) but Evans passes the normal test. An affluent sounding southerner might not be the best person to be the next Ukip leader but for the rather misanthropic looking leave campaign might be just the tonic.
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Stokes you the man.....A good old Kiwi doing the business for us...0
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So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
We'll be able to tell shortly.weejonnie said:
Well the organisations have had a 'make up' meeting. Hope logic and not personalities has won.FrankBooth said:Suzanne Evans might be the best possible voice for Brexit. Boris is floundering, Gove is divisive (check Farage, Galloway) but Evans passes the normal test. An affluent sounding southerner might not be the best person to be the next Ukip leader but for the rather misanthropic looking leave campaign might be just the tonic.
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Hillary Rodham Clinton. Very very easily.TheScreamingEagles said:
So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
We still have to bat yet (hand over eyes)....Pulpstar said:NEw Zealand have ch ch ch ch chooooooked here.
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Each to their own!JosiasJessop said:
Of all prominent UKIP speakers, I think she's second-best. An informal ranking (which may change as I hear new things from them) would be:isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
1) Carswell
2) Evans
3) Farage
4) James
Naturally, political biases and presentation preferences play into that. Also her work on the 2015 manifesto was very good (as I said before the election). A world better than the 2010 mess.0 -
Clinton by landslide.TheScreamingEagles said:
So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
Thanks, despite my best attempts, I still have an anti-Trump bias built in, and need some reassurance.Pulpstar said:
Hillary Rodham Clinton. Very very easily.TheScreamingEagles said:
So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
New Zealand are great at defending a total.FrancisUrquhart said:
We still have to bat yet (hand over eyes)....Pulpstar said:NEw Zealand have ch ch ch ch chooooooked here.
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It depends what you are looking for. If it is a 15-20% niche of the electorate then Farage is rather good. The referendum is of course about a 50% minimum which is where I think Evans could be effective. It also goes without saying that there is a distinct lack of prominent women in British politics and I can't imagine Dave v Boris is too exciting for a lot of the female electorate in particular.JosiasJessop said:
Of all prominent UKIP speakers, I think she's second-best. An informal ranking (which may change as I hear new things from them) would be:isam said:
I don't know any secrets of UKIP, I got into it for a bit, now I cant be bothered.JosiasJessop said:
No constant hostility here. If you think back over our interactions it's often been quite the opposite. Heck, a few weeks ago I was complimenting and referring people to your blog.isam said:
Why the constant hostility? It is so tiring. Every time you respond its "stupid" "rubbish" etc etcJosiasJessop said:
What do you mean by that, or is it just stupid nudge-nudge, wink-wink ?isam said:Ah the canonisation of Suzanne Evans... if only you knew
I could say the same but why would I bother?
Not agreeing is allowed
I have canvassed with Suzanne for an afternoon and spoke to her about various things.. Personally I agreed with the gist of some of what she said, but if PBers that hate Farage/love Evans heard it, I doubt they would be so fulsome in their praise, and if they heard me or Farage say it, they'd be calling for the tar and feathers
But you should have written your last paragraph, rather than the all-knowing nudge-nudge comment you made.
As for Evans, you seem to have a rather negative view of her for some time. It might help people decide on the likelihood of her succeeding Farage if you expanded on what you know and believe to be the case.
I don't mean to be negative about Suzanne Evans as she was perfectly nice company when I met her... but I cant think of any reason why she should be even considered as a replacement for Farage, should he need to be replaced (he is the leader with the best ratings from "gold standard" remember), and also, seeing as Farage holds such sway amongst UKIP top brass that he managed to "unresign" I shouldn't think his enemies in the party are that well placed to succeeed him
Evans is a bit of a middle of the road Tory with the hump really I think, maybe even a slight Blairite on some things. I can see why she is popular with non kippers!
1) Carswell
2) Evans
3) Farage
4) James
Naturally, political biases and presentation preferences play into that. Also her work on the 2015 manifesto was very good (as I said before the election). A world better than the 2010 mess.0 -
That's a shame, but not exactly surprising. He was very, very lucky.Morris_Dancer said:F1: Alonso may have to miss Bahrain, as a precaution following the substantial Australia crash.
He probably wouldn't have survived that twenty years ago. (Although Brundel's Oz crash in 1996 was, I think, similar and in the same place on the circuit. He split his car in two.)
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Phenomenal bowling by Stokes at the end.0
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Evans seems an incredibly poor favourite to me. She doesn't seem to have much support within the party.
I can't see Farage being ousted any time soon so therefore the likely scenarios are as follows:
Leave wins and he steps down in triumph
Remain wins and he steps down a la Salmond
Remain wins and he steps down prior to the next European elections (2017 or 18)
Remain wins and he steps down after the next European elections (2019)
Remain wins and he goes on past the 2020 GE
In the remain scenarios one of the MEPs such as Nuttall or Woolfe is the likely successor
In the leave scenario it is less clear as the MEPs will all be out of a job likely in 2019. Could Reckless lead the party from the Welsh Assembly?
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Indeed, all sorts of states come into play in that scenario. Cruz might take Texas... Mitt Romney Utah, Wyoming for either. Past that I'm struggling to see safe GOP states. Some states might not allow Trump on the ballot, so possibly the GOP can take those if they're naturally red... Missouri, Indiana and a whole bunch of others surely go though (If Trump is on the ballot in each of them)Alistair said:
Clinton by landslide.TheScreamingEagles said:
So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.0 -
What an awesome betting contest that would be.Pulpstar said:
Hillary Rodham Clinton.TheScreamingEagles said:
So, if the election is, Clinton v GOP Unity Candidate v Trump running as an Independent, who wins?Pulpstar said:Democrat Delegate estimate:
Clinton 2290 Sanders 1761
Clinton's high point estimate was 2385 a couple of weeks back.
Back of the fag packet odds;
Clinton 1/5
GOP(unity) 8/1
Trump 16/10
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