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He says George Osborne proposed a so-called ‘coupon election’ deal with the Lib Dems, whereby up to 50 Tory MPs would have been written off, ordered to make way for Lib Dems.
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Yeah, but afterwards they'd say it was your fault and anyway you wanted the gun fired.
Worth having a scroll through Twitter
He's not making a Commons speech.
I wonder when this was allegedly talked about. Early days I suspect when team building was the priority.
One conclusion from IDS on Marr - CON MPs who ousted him in 2003 had good judgement. IDS simply fails to convince.
#Thinkofmybetfairposition
(I hope he won't be, by the way!)
I think it very sporting of the Conservatives, in the absence of any proper Opposition, to provide their own alternatives.
( George is crap is dog meat )
Labour does the same.
Master strategist?!
Hard to argue with this. Clegg "sold" the Coalition to the LD party in 2010 on the basis it was a "one off" to deal with an exceptional situation and on that basis I, and many LDs, accepted it.
Had Clegg tried to forge Coalition 2.0 on the basis of a coupon deal, it would have torn the LDs apart just as the formation of the National Liberals did under John Simon.
So that's one deal - two parties split apart. Sounds like a good idea.
I wouldn't even wish Osborne on a harmful non-sentient being like John McDonnell.
Edited because iPhone posting sucks.
Was this the period when Dave made his referendum promise too?
This disability row could have been avoided if our contribution to the EU was not increasing so fast. A few years ago Osborne and Cameron said they were going to resist £1.7bn extra.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/31/britain-eu-contribution-rise-quadruple-cameron
Clearly they did not resist hard enough and needed a woman with a handbag to sort it out.
I think what this tournament is showing between the more closely matched teams is that setting a score is seriously tricky. Runs on the board is not really working (the NZ/Aus game being an exception).
What on earth were they thinking by staying in to the end?
I thought the Tories always put country before party. That's certainly what I have been told on here enough times.
Given that most people do not vote Tory, IDS saying live on TV that the Chancellor believes you do not matter if you are not a Tory voter is not helpful, to say the least
I'm not sure it would have made much difference to the result by then.
"he’s incredibly popular at Conservative constituency association events. They are the same people who are highly suspicious of George Osborne, who they’ve never quite warmed to."
"One consequence of this resignation is confirmation that the Downing Street fear factor is on the wane. I was at Michael Ashcroft’s 70th birthday party last Saturday where I encountered a Minister who had disobeyed Downing Street’s instruction not to attend. “You’ll be on a little list,” I joshed. “I really couldn’t give a toss,” came the reply. And it was heartfelt.
Yet more evidence that power is gradually ebbing away from Cameron and Osborne. The question is, who is the power ebbing to?"
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/03/iain-dale-duncan-smiths-friday-night-call-to-priti.html
Imagine the vitriol the party would have faced had it walked out in 2012 for example. I thought it much more likely the Conservatives would walk out on the Coalition and try to go it alone.
Seems Osborne is going to piss off a lot of middle class folks, not that in the Telegraph sob story I have that much sympathy as it sounds like their "business" is built upon sand...if you own 17 homes and currently make no return you probably got something very wrong (and not buying the "but think of the folks we help")...but still if interest rates ever go up, there will be seriously hell to pay and all these people have seriously overstretched themselves and there is one person they will blame and it ain't themselves.
Staying in through the election [absent a coupon] made no sense at all.
Our Trade Union spokesman bought a house w £250k from his union's fund for sick miners & won't say if he repaid it? https://t.co/ijqHHPUX96
Read the whole thread, it's appalling stuff
They already are! They pop up now and then saying "look what we stopped" as if the coalition wasn't already doing heinous damage to things like the NHS with a LibDems minister writing the preface to the bill. The LibDems MPs voted more loyally fir Tory bills than Tory MPs did.
Has a political party ever collapsed into a black hole as quickly as the LibDems did?
More seriously, yes, the Liberals went from leading a government in 1922 (technically) having 156 seats in. 1923, to having just 40 seats and no prospect of a return to power by 1925. And that wasn't as low as it went before the Second World War either. They were reduced to 21 seats by 1935, most of which were held in the absence of Conservative candidates.
If either of them vanished and were replaced by Nick Clegg almost no one would notice except for a slight increase in the sanctimony level.
Something is going very wrong somewhere. My guess is BTL landlords who have incorporated already are looking to max out on purchases before the rules change, and as these are solid, three bed semis with gardens , ideal starter homes, they are being fought over fiercely.
But I don't think it will end well. That woman with seventeen houses is (a) a fool (b) surely going to have to sell. That could well see prices crashing and rents spiralling.
A well-meaning policy badly implemented with disastrous results; cf. academies, foundation trusts, pasty tax, HS2, Forestry Commission...
People continuously and disingenuously bitch about Amazon not paying taxes, but it has never made a profit, Bezos' policy has always been about reinvesting everything they make, which is how they have gone from no where to the dominant force in multiple marketplaces in 21 years.
As it is...
Some of the the Osborne hate stuff being posted on here is ludicrous
Opinium Survey - EU referendum: % who say they will "definitely" vote
Those backing Remain - 59%
Those backing Leave - 76%
#Brexit
As it happens I have now inherited a house from my mother anyway, so it would have been feasible, but you don't spend money you haven't got buying houses for other people to live in and spending far more than you need to on rent. Absolutely moronic.
She seems to view it as a charitable effort. In that case, let her incorporate as a housing association and ask for donations to cover the costs, and pay herself a salary in the normal way to run it.
Osborne's clearly right (for once) that the system is broken. It's just his reforms seem to be making it worse.
Humbled ex LD minister writes book to make a bit of dosh.. You will see it on a few remainder shelves in bookshops or more likely at car boot sales..
Start with a big union and a small house and finish with a small union and a big house.
Today's http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/20/britons-on-europe-survey-results-opinium-poll-referendum
' Jonathan Grant, 36, is facing an increasing tax bill on his four properties in London and Berkshire from next year.
He hopes that political ambition might prompt an about-turn by George Osborne, who will need the votes of “mainly Conservative” landlord investors.
“I think he might change his mind if he wants to be Prime Minister,” said Mr Grant.
“I was very disappointed that there was no reversal on stamp duty. I was looking at buying a block up north somewhere, but I’ll now have to pay the 3pc stamp duty surcharge on that so I probably won’t do it,” he said. '
However will the North survive without his investment ?
The problem with all this analysis is that differential rates of turnout are already weighted into polls.
You'd get a mighty big house for that sort of money back then in the North-East.
I agree IDS believes (rightly) in the reform. But implementation hasn't gone well, and that's the department's fault.
https://www.nao.org.uk/report/universal-credit-early-progress-2/
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmpubacc/619/61903.htm
They might have done. Perhaps the referendum made the difference.
41% are for Leave, 40% for Remain and 19% Don't Know, winning the undecided is key for Remain. Overall voters think the EU is a good thing by 47% to 35% which could help that effort