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One of the best non-voting intention polling indicators to the referendum could well be the question above used by ComRes at the weekend in its IoS Sunday Mirror online poll.
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I'm not sure a campaign to undermine trust would work in the time left. A campaign to reassure questioning voters who are sceptical about the EU but could go either way could work in the time remaining. Voters can both trust and disagree with people, even their own party leader and PM.
Leave needs to win by winning voters to trust their own convictions and turn out for Leave.
It wouldn’t D/k either. I know I don’t trust either of them very much. I suppose if I were pushed I’d have to say Cameron, but it’s 8% against 5% or something like that.
For almost all of the last six years as PM and over a decade as party leader Cameron has had a positive level of trust especially in party voters but also in the general public as a whole. Attempting to undermine that will likely fail, attempting to circumnavigate it may not.
Migration is only an issue in the UK because too many lazy sods won't borrow the money to get educated and if you disagree with that you're prejudiced / racist.
Tony on top form.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/12192682/Tony-Blair-Dont-blame-migrants-for-taking-your-job.html
The qualities required for Prime Minister are completely different. Boris is the Con Party conference warm up guy, entertain the troops, be jolly etc etc.. That's his future role.
Given global problems that's typically a time when voters put more, not less, trust in "serious" politicians like the PM. Appeal to voters scepticism and intelligence. Remain is running a rather patronising campaign so far and if Vote Leave can get their act together then this could be won though I still expect a healthy Remain victory.
But Blair deserves a portion if the blame for that for helping build the problems in today's welfare system that made not working an acceptable lifestyle choice.
Being Tony means never having to say you're wrong.
Their lips move.
As they say in advertising 'life's a pitch'
Just ask Nick Palmer !
Coach: "you need to persuade the panel that you're the best candidate".
IA: "But I don't know anything about any of the others."
Coach: "That doesn't matter."
IA: "It does if I want to be honest."
Coach: "that's your choice - to be honest or to be a success."
IA: "Good morning".
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And I have the same argument, more or less, on here every day.
You left the country you were so tired of it, now you're busy telling us what to do.
Though the numbers are 54/27 in favour of Cameron in terms of trust I imagine they would be reversed if you asked about the EU.
So Cameron just has to persuade those who trust him to vote with him.
And fellow Remainians telling me I'm stupid for reacting like this aren't doing themselves any favours.
It was in fact a nice example of how 'big business' chiefs have a confused half-understanding of international trade theory and of course frequently conflate their own interests or those of their firms with broader economic welfare.
New system to challenge council parking tickets if you think they are unfair. ( the council must have signed up though to the system)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-3487966/Been-slapped-unfair-parking-fine-s-easier-fight-thanks-free-online-tool.html
Enjoy the sangria in the Pig & Whistle.
However, the EU is a weak point for him because he actually believes in it. Thus his pretend "renegotiation " jarred. If he stuck to hugging huskies and crocodile tears over inequality, he'd do better. People want to believe politicians despite all the evidence against them, but obvious lying ruins the picture.
So you would favour no controls at all, and complete free movement, from all parts of the world?
Presumably on this basis, you would ban trades unions as well?
And abolish all planning controls (extending the analogy to another market)?
Not only do politicians interfere, they interfere in areas they have no knowledge or experience of. Govt is too big and self important, the root cause of all problems.
We get the picture.
On topic the politician I would trust over those two is Gove.
Most likely he wins Florida, loses Ohio, and the circus moves on.
The numbers are good enough for Boris to get a hearing - that's good enough for now.
No - you need to try thinking things through rather than just mouthing banalities or repeating simplistic arguments you have heard somewhere or other but don't really understand.
https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/709086570259881986
The Tory Right use the argument because they are representing business interest.
Interesting to know for the next time you come on here repeating things you vaguely heard but don't really understand.
IMO a big problem is the combative nature of politics: it is in the interests of opponents, whether in politics or the media, to twist things. A classic example of this is the Lisbon treaty referendum, where the criticisms of Cameron are, on any subjective level, ludicrous.
(Cue Richard T and others)
Most of the time when politicians are accused of lying, the situation is more complex and unclear than a straight-out lie. Yet opponents automatically want to believe the worst.
If the media did not lie themselves and were honest in presentation, then politicians might just 'lie' less. The media do not hold politicians to account much of the time, and instead they hold their own interests and positions paramount.
However woolly wording does not help. "We intend to..." or "We would like to see" can all too easily become "We will...", yet they contain inherent get-out clauses. This is particularly important as much of what politicians want to do is out of their hands to a certain extent. Even something as simple as setting a VAT rate can be complex to do (e.g. EU law)
Basically: if any of us were put under the same microscope politicians suffer, we'd all soon be accused of lying, even if we think - or know - we are telling the truth. It's a sign of the immaturity of political reporting and debate.
That is not excusing the times when politicians tell absolute, knowing porkies. But such occasions are far fewer than some might believe.
I expected to switch back when Tony called it a day, but the election of Mrs Rochester, then the wrong pair of trousers, followed by a certified loon put the kybosh on that.
I can't believe the LDs won't take advantage when Cameron goes, there'll be a big gap in the middle to exploit.
Perhaps you'd like to post your name and address on here.
Any reason why you wouldn't?
I typed it slowly, now read it slowly.
Statements that are, strictly speaking, true, while being at the same time, entirely misleading (the Clintons are excellent at this) are much more common. Implying more than you actually promise is also common.
As indicated, the blue split is probably the most critical, and Cameron has a decisive advantage there. This is still very much Remain's to lose.