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Last night I Tweeted the above panel from new YouGov polling. It shows how the new leader is struggling to retain the backing of those who voted for the party in the general election and the gender breakdown
It was the auld wifies who did for SINDYREF (and may yet do for REMAIN unless the REMAINIANS can get their young supporters out from behind their mobile phones and laptops and into the polling booths).....there is a distinct generational thing too - these women had mothers or grandmothers who didn't have a vote, so take their voting very seriously as a civic duty - I remember asking my grandmother if she was going to vote, and she looked at me as if I'd grown two heads.....
Women who campaign for Britain to leave the European Union are like the Suffragettes because they are "fighting for our democratic freedom", a female Cabinet minister will say today.
Priti Patel, the employment minister, will say on Tuesday that Emmeline Pankhurst and the other Suffragettes did not fight for the right to vote to see "those decisions surrendered to the EU's undemocratic institutions and political elite".
Corbynists seem to be powered by a political equivalent to transcendental levitation. Newton's laws will assert themselves, painfully I think.
The Wile E. Coyotes of politics. The moment of realisation will doubtless be delayed for a while. But when they do finally realise they are standing over a canyon, it is unlikely they will walk away from the resulting crash.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
In Mike's little snippet from Yougov, the number of women calling for Jezza to go either now or later is very little different from men. The major part of the difference is the % saying don't know, which is higher in women. I wouldn't read too much into this as DK's are higher in females generally across the board.
Not much evidence of Tories for Corbyn or Kippers for Corbyn either.
Corbynists seem to be powered by a political equivalent to transcendental levitation. Newton's laws will assert themselves, painfully I think.
The Wile E. Coyotes of politics. The moment of realisation will doubtless be delayed for a while. But when they do finally realise they are standing over a canyon, it is unlikely they will walk away from the resulting crash.
Wile E Coyote always does. Never catches road runner though. Pretty robust things, political parties.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Dont be silly. Did you hear Boris on Marr? This is hypocrisy of the highest order!
I am beginning to think that REMAIN will win, not necessarily because an argument is won, because both sides are lying to the public, but because of who is in the respective sides and how they are saying things. the leave campaign seems to get more desperate by the day, and I have all but switched off. I was going to vote remain anyway, but the leave side isn't engaging at all... in fact I think they are largely preaching to the already converted..
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
BBC headline is very misleading. Sloppy bias for REMAIN. Typical.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
I am beginning to think that REMAIN will win, not necessarily because an argument is won, because both sides are lying to the public, but because of who is in the respective sides and how they are saying things. the leave campaign seems to get more desperate by the day, and I have all but switched off. I was going to vote remain anyway, but the leave side isn't engaging at all... in fact I think they are largely preaching to the already converted..
You mean you weren't convinced IDS Farage Gove and Galloway?
@PeterMannionMP: Boris Johnson attacks all those 'crushing dissent' on #Euref > Mayor's staff queue up to leak memo demanding they publicly back him. Ouch.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
What would happen if the London Assembly debated the issue and the majority of the members agreed that the interests of the city (note lower-case c) of London required that the UK REMAIN? Could the officials then publicaly support Remain?
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
"Johnson said: “It is absolutely scandalous that John Longworth has been forced to step aside.
“This is a man who reached the conclusion – after long reflection and a lifetime’s experience of business – that it would be better to vote Leave.
“His verdict reflects the reality – that the EU has changed out of all recognition from the Common Market that this country joined.
“He speaks for the many small- and medium-sized businesses – the lifeblood of the economy – who cannot understand why they should comply with more and more regulation, over which this country has no democratic control."
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
There is a council in East London that is for "Out"
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
While Cameron says that they can do the same, and while in a public capacity too.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
The City Hall position seems to be that nobody is permitted to publically speak against the Dear Leader.
What would happen if the London Assembly debated the issue and the majority of the members agreed that the interests of the city (note lower-case c) of London required that the UK REMAIN? Could the officials then publicaly support Remain?
Probably not, because it would not further Boris's personal ambition.
Considering he's supposed to be clever, he set himself a rather big trap with his earlier reported comments. Whether fair or not, this story does not look good.
As for Boris himself: it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that because someone is eloquent, or can write well, that what they say or write is worth listening to. Although I agree with him on some issues, and his writing style can be persuasive, I sometimes see a paucity of knowledge behind his words.
Is Boris just an empty shell beyond presentation?
Although I would say that, as I can neither speak eloquently or write well. I'll leave it to others to decide whether what I write is worth reading.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
While Cameron says that they can do the same, and while in a public capacity too.
But is on the blower getting people suspended the minute a prominent businessman does just that.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Clearly irony not your strong suit.
Cameron is allowing LEAVErs to campaign OPENLY - a privilege Boris is denying his staff.....
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
While Cameron says that they can do the same, and while in a public capacity too.
No, they can't do it in a public capacity. IDS and Patel etc can't run their departments to make policy to encourage a Leave vote. In fact Cameron stopped them even receiving documents about the EU in their departments, something Boris couldn't do.
And speaking out in a private capacity wasn't even allowed for a year or so.
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Wasn't the BCC official position 'neutrality which the chairman publicly chose to challenge?
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
It is not exactly on a par with nuclear free councils. The Mayor is elected to represent London and his administration is entitled to have a view on what is in London's best interests.
I find the idea that this is likely to move a measurable number of votes somewhat unlikely.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
While Cameron says that they can do the same, and while in a public capacity too.
But is on the blower getting people suspended the minute a prominent businessman does just that.
It was the auld wifies who did for SINDYREF (and may yet do for REMAIN unless the REMAINIANS can get their young supporters out from behind their mobile phones and laptops and into the polling booths).....there is a distinct generational thing too - these women had mothers or grandmothers who didn't have a vote, so take their voting very seriously as a civic duty - I remember asking my grandmother if she was going to vote, and she looked at me as if I'd grown two heads.....
Women actually tend to be slightly more for Remain than men
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
Boris is a good match for Farage. Neither seem able to tolerate workers who do not participate in the personality cult.
Given that Cameron demanded much more restrictive terms for those on other side, I guess this applies to Cameron too then?? Or is this only a criticism that can ever be held towards Leavers??
Except it isn't true. Cameron has permitted govt ministers to oppose Remain publically, while Boris (according to the email) is gagging opponents publically.
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
Read the article. Johnson is openly saying loud and clear they can back Remain in personal capacity.
While Cameron says that they can do the same, and while in a public capacity too.
But is on the blower getting people suspended the minute a prominent businessman does just that.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
But.....the BCC Chair wasn't sacked - he was suspended, then resigned.....
I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
The City Hall position seems to be that nobody is permitted to publically speak against the Dear Leader.
The City HallGovernment position seems to be that nobody is permitted to publically speak against the Dear Leader.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
There is a council in East London that is for "Out"
Bromley, too. There's some talk that Wandsworth may vote Leave, as well.
What would happen if the London Assembly debated the issue and the majority of the members agreed that the interests of the city (note lower-case c) of London required that the UK REMAIN? Could the officials then publicaly support Remain?
Probably not, because it would not further Boris's personal ambition.
Considering he's supposed to be clever, he set himself a rather big trap with his earlier reported comments. Whether fair or not, this story does not look good.
As for Boris himself: it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that because someone is eloquent, or can write well, that what they say or write is worth listening to. Although I agree with him on some issues, and his writing style can be persuasive, I sometimes see a paucity of knowledge behind his words.
Is Boris just an empty shell beyond presentation?
Although I would say that, as I can neither speak eloquently or write well. I'll leave it to others to decide whether what I write is worth reading.
I do wonder to what extent the Dear Mayor consulted the people and businesses of London before deciding that his own political ambitions were more important than the small aspect of democracy?
On topic the lack of relevance of Corbyn to the issue of the day or indeed any issue at all recently has been remarkable. Even Ed had a far higher profile and his Delphic mutterings were anxiously scanned and parsed to ascertain if they contained a hint of the secret master plan.
We have a government which is suddenly perceived as split as the Labour party thanks to the EU. We have cabinet ministers being rude about each other and the PM on a daily basis in the media. We have an economy that has slowed putting immense pressure on the public spending targets which were already ambitious. And yet we see no sign of a Labour recovery. No sign at all. The risk for Labour must surely be that if the Tories can patch things up again after June (and it is a bit of an if) they will be out of sight.
Things are bad for Cameron - not even a chance for all to come together and discuss how bad Corbyn is will distract from internal Tory battles at present it seems.
At the core of our principles lies the belief that power should be held as close as possible to individuals and their communities and that those who wield that power should be accountable to it.
In the European Union, true power is held behind closed doors in the Council of Ministers, who make decisions away from the cameras and above the heads of voters. How can I continually advocate the devolution of power from Whitehall to local government, while applauding the transfer of power from our flawed but elected parliament to an unelected and unaccountable EU bureaucracy?
We still need action against the people smugglers: my suggestion is for the UN to create a special court to try the smugglers, and try to get not just the people on the ground, but the people higher up in the organisations as well.
People smuggling is an evil crime that exploits peoples' hardship.
On topic the lack of relevance of Corbyn to the issue of the day or indeed any issue at all recently has been remarkable. Even Ed had a far higher profile and his Delphic mutterings were anxiously scanned and parsed to ascertain if they contained a hint of the secret master plan.
We have a government which is suddenly perceived as split as the Labour party thanks to the EU. We have cabinet ministers being rude about each other and the PM on a daily basis in the media. We have an economy that has slowed putting immense pressure on the public spending targets which were already ambitious. And yet we see no sign of a Labour recovery. No sign at all. The risk for Labour must surely be that if the Tories can patch things up again after June (and it is a bit of an if) they will be out of sight.
So they'll be fine then I guess.
I like the use of ambitious on the public spending targets - I presume you're not using in the politician's sense, meaning unachievable but pretending it is,
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
Behind the rhetoric, is there any evidence for this?
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
On topic the lack of relevance of Corbyn to the issue of the day or indeed any issue at all recently has been remarkable. Even Ed had a far higher profile and his Delphic mutterings were anxiously scanned and parsed to ascertain if they contained a hint of the secret master plan.
We have a government which is suddenly perceived as split as the Labour party thanks to the EU. We have cabinet ministers being rude about each other and the PM on a daily basis in the media. We have an economy that has slowed putting immense pressure on the public spending targets which were already ambitious. And yet we see no sign of a Labour recovery. No sign at all. The risk for Labour must surely be that if the Tories can patch things up again after June (and it is a bit of an if) they will be out of sight.
So they'll be fine then I guess.
I like the use of ambitious on the public spending targets - I presume you're not using in the politician's sense, meaning unachievable but pretending it is,
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
Behind the rhetoric, is there any evidence for this?
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
Of course there's an alternative, there is always an alternative.
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
It seems a little absurd for City Hall to have an official position on EU membership. It's only a local government institution in the end. Should I expect my county council to have an official position?
The City Hall position seems to be that nobody is permitted to publically speak against the Dear Leader.
The City HallGovernment position seems to be that nobody is permitted to publically speak against the Dear Leader.
Imagine the howls of outrage!
I could have sworn I saw some serving cabinet ministers implicitly but publicly accuse the PM and government of risking our safety and security by remaining in the eu and vice versa,
Still, I approve a commentt made the other day that each day spent whining about unfairness is a day less to convince people, so maybe flagging g up the Boris contradiction is a good thing as remain are whining?
The chances of a Tory majority or a hung parliament are probably now more dependent on EU ref and the size of any potential increase in the UKIP vote, especially after a narrow Remain, than anything Labour does now
The chances of a Tory majority or a hung parliament are probably now more dependent on EU ref and the size of any potential increase in the UKIP vote, especially after a narrow Remain, than anything Labour does now
So the EU are bribing Turkey to keep out swarms of unwanted immigrants, all sounds a bit racist to me.
The Remainers on here are pro freedom of movement as am I, I'm surprised they support an organisation that is so blatantly xenophobic.
It's hardly a bribe though, is it? Turkey has spent billions over the last five years housing up to two million refugees, mainly from Syria and Iraq. Some estimates have this cost at around 8 billion dollars, on top of which are the other costs of the conflict to the country. It is also an ongoing cost to them, both fiscally and socially.
If we were in that situation, we'd be pleading the international community for help as well. And we're a much richer economy.
But we need to be doing more to tackle the people and organisations behind the people smuggling. Even if they lead to significant personages in surrounding countries.
I’ve recently been reading my good friend Dr Lee Rotherham’s latest book, The Discerning Barbarian’s Guidebook to Roman Britain. It’s well worth picking up – better known to readers of this site as an expert in the modern day “non-imperial empire“, the EU, Lee’s academic background lies in history and archaeology.
We still need action against the people smugglers: my suggestion is for the UN to create a special court to try the smugglers, and try to get not just the people on the ground, but the people higher up in the organisations as well.
People smuggling is an evil crime that exploits peoples' hardship.
So the EU are bribing Turkey to keep out swarms of unwanted immigrants, all sounds a bit racist to me.
The Remainers on here are pro freedom of movement as am I, I'm surprised they support an organisation that is so blatantly xenophobic.
It's hardly a bribe though, is it? Turkey has spent billions over the last five years housing up to two million refugees, mainly from Syria and Iraq. Some estimates have this cost at around 8 billion dollars, on top of which are the other costs of the conflict to the country. It is also an ongoing cost to them, both fiscally and socially.
If we were in that situation, we'd be pleading the international community for help as well. And we're a much richer economy.
But we need to be doing more to tackle the people and organisations behind the people smuggling. Even if they lead to significant personages in surrounding countries.
Bribe might be strong, but the fact is the EU is paying Turkey so it doesn't have to deal with them.
I'm interested to hear what those espousing freedom of movement have to say. Very little I suspect.
It is odd just how little is heard from Labour over the referendum. Has the Shadow Cabinet been locked in a basement?
I'm wondering whether Labour in its new guise has much support anymore. Most people I know have given up on them.
Supporters had barely got over the embarrassment of Ed and then along comes Corbyn. I'm hopeful that the Libs might offer something. I heard Norman Lamb talking about cannabis this morning. I know it's trivial but from small acorns....
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
But.....the BCC Chair wasn't sacked - he was suspended, then resigned.....
I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid
In football management they call this "leaving by mutual consent".
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
Behind the rhetoric, is there any evidence for this?
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
Of course there's an alternative, there is always an alternative.
>It's PB's way of marking International Women's Day
I wonder whether anyone in Parliament or the media is going start talking about toilets, as some of the feminists did when men started to discuss depression and suicide on International Men's Day.
It is odd just how little is heard from Labour over the referendum. Has the Shadow Cabinet been locked in a basement?
I'm wondering whether Labour in its new guise has much support anymore. Most people I know have given up on them.
Supporters had barely got over the embarrassment of Ed and then along comes Corbyn. I'm hopeful that the Libs might offer something. I heard Norman Lamb talking about cannabis this morning. I know it's trivial but from small acorns....
Labour has millions is supported even now, with divided Tories to fight - the future may not be that bleak depending how long Corbyn is in place.
It would be better if the LDs rise again though - good to have more viable options, and even though they pushed side the LDs for runner up in many places in the sw, I cannot see thevtories under pressure from labour here, and not sure if UKIP can manage it.
The chances of a Tory majority or a hung parliament are probably now more dependent on EU ref and the size of any potential increase in the UKIP vote, especially after a narrow Remain, than anything Labour does now
The Ukip vote won't rise under any circumstances.
If it is a narrow Remain it almost certainly will, there are bound to be Leave voters shifting to UKIP especially from the Tories if not to the same extent as Yes voters went to the SNP
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
Did you even bother to read the story? They are being allowed to speak out openly in a private capacity, which is more than Cameron allowed for months.
Lol - Boris was always more of a liability and the smart 'leavers' knew it.
He hasn't done anything other tha have City Hall's official position be for Leave. In the same way the Govt has an official position for Remain and no one on Leave side has criticised that as being unfair. A claim of hypocrisy is either people not being very bright or being disingenuous.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
Has Boris sacked anyone for espousing their personal opinion?? I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid.
But.....the BCC Chair wasn't sacked - he was suspended, then resigned.....
I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid
In football management they call this "leaving by mutual consent".
The Stay campaign’s habit of conflating ‘Europe’ and ‘the EU’ means that those who are anti-EU can be easily depicted as anti-Europe, as xenophobic or nationalistic. These people’s political outlook — their dislike of the way Brussels can impose its writ on nation states — is reduced to a prejudiced outlook, a simple case of being anti-Europe. Their politics is pathologised, turned from opposition to a political system into opposition to a whole continent and its cultures and peoples.
...The true instinct behind the Brussels machine is not to bring Europe together. It is to absolve national governments of the burden of having to consult us, the plebs, about important political and social matters, in favour of allowing various experts and cliques in Brussels to discuss and shape such matters on our behalf. The EU’s fuel is not cosmopolitanism — it’s democracy-dodging.
Behind the rhetoric, is there any evidence for this?
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
Of course there's an alternative, there is always an alternative.
I will, its the resignation of no alternative that terrifies me, strengthens my belief that ever closer union is inevitable. Well it is if we vote Remain and I'm genuinely surprised why small c conservatives who favour small govt are shrugging their shoulders.
We'll have Tusk and Junker doing PMQs before long.
It is odd just how little is heard from Labour over the referendum. Has the Shadow Cabinet been locked in a basement?
"Another Labour figure agrees Britain should remain in the EU" doesn't get many headlines. At the moment Labour would only get in the news in one of two ways: aggressively pro-Remain campaigning, which would simply be a repeat of the process of losing more voters by doing Cameron's dirty work for him (see Indyref) or through internal controversy about who is allowed to express what view where in a public, private, or semi-public capacity. That would just fuel even more "Labour party divided" headlines.
To misquote, it's better to remain fairly quiet and be thought divided than to carpet-bomb the news cycle and prove it.
So the EU are bribing Turkey to keep out swarms of unwanted immigrants, all sounds a bit racist to me.
The Remainers on here are pro freedom of movement as am I, I'm surprised they support an organisation that is so blatantly xenophobic.
Do you really support freedom of movement of the migrants entering the EU, and presumably those at Calais?
The deal with Turkey to help it with the refugee crisis and suppress people smuggling seems a good example of what the countries of Europe can do together. Far better to act collectively rather than unilaterally in these things. Perhaps this sort of deal should have been sorted sooner; but it is good to see it happen nontheless.
The chances of a Tory majority or a hung parliament are probably now more dependent on EU ref and the size of any potential increase in the UKIP vote, especially after a narrow Remain, than anything Labour does now
The Ukip vote won't rise under any circumstances.
If it is a narrow Remain it almost certainly will, there are bound to be Leave voters shifting to UKIP especially from the Tories if not to the same extent as Yes voters went to the SNP
Much to my disappointment Ukip is dead, no money, no structure, factions, disarray. In no state whatsoever to fight a national campaign.
If any of the PB hierarchy are interested I'd be happy to write a header about this and the impact of the referendum on Ukip regardless of the outcome.
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Women who campaign for Britain to leave the European Union are like the Suffragettes because they are "fighting for our democratic freedom", a female Cabinet minister will say today.
Priti Patel, the employment minister, will say on Tuesday that Emmeline Pankhurst and the other Suffragettes did not fight for the right to vote to see "those decisions surrendered to the EU's undemocratic institutions and political elite".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12186842/Women-who-campaign-for-a-Brexit-are-like-Suffragettes-Priti-Patel-says.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35749084
How dare a publicly elected REMAIN LEAVE official use his office to stop his staff speaking out on behalf of LEAVE REMAIN...?
I expect we'll never hear the end of it from the LEAVErs REMAINians
http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/corrupt-marco-tv-spot
When you go to the comment box you are instructed to LEAVE a comment. Why not say enter a comment that will REMAIN?
This proves PB is an agent for leave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKQWXEv7Oio
Separated by 5000 miles but not much else
Republican elite now turning to Tim Cook and Larry Page to stop Trump.
Not much evidence of Tories for Corbyn or Kippers for Corbyn either.
Hypocrisy would be is Boris forced all Remain members to not speak out for months on end, threatened their careers or denied them official documents. None of that has happened.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/06/boris-johnson-scandalous-suspending-bcc-chief-eu-referendum-remarks
Could the officials then publicaly support Remain?
Not that the court politics of the Tories bother me. The sooner they break up into warring gangs the sooner the whole government collapses. It is a pity though that Corbyn couldn't organise a bunfight in a bakery and so will not take advantage. There really needs to be a summer Labour leadership contest.
I look forward to reading a thread for their case that is aspirational, not fearful.
"Johnson said: “It is absolutely scandalous that John Longworth has been forced to step aside.
“This is a man who reached the conclusion – after long reflection and a lifetime’s experience of business – that it would be better to vote Leave.
“His verdict reflects the reality – that the EU has changed out of all recognition from the Common Market that this country joined.
“He speaks for the many small- and medium-sized businesses – the lifeblood of the economy – who cannot understand why they should comply with more and more regulation, over which this country has no democratic control."
Mr Johnson was "relaxed" about members of his team campaigning on either side in a personal capacity, the spokesman added.
Considering he's supposed to be clever, he set himself a rather big trap with his earlier reported comments. Whether fair or not, this story does not look good.
As for Boris himself: it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that because someone is eloquent, or can write well, that what they say or write is worth listening to. Although I agree with him on some issues, and his writing style can be persuasive, I sometimes see a paucity of knowledge behind his words.
Is Boris just an empty shell beyond presentation?
Although I would say that, as I can neither speak eloquently or write well. I'll leave it to others to decide whether what I write is worth reading.
Cameron is allowing LEAVErs to campaign OPENLY - a privilege Boris is denying his staff.....
And speaking out in a private capacity wasn't even allowed for a year or so.
Is there any point in quoting large swathes of some obscure persons opinion on this blog? Couldn't he come on himself if he has something to say?
I find the idea that this is likely to move a measurable number of votes somewhat unlikely.
LOL
I've come to conclusion some people on here are just playing dumb is pretending this is equivalent, because I refuse to believe anyone capable of using a computer can be this stupid
Imagine the howls of outrage!
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We have a government which is suddenly perceived as split as the Labour party thanks to the EU. We have cabinet ministers being rude about each other and the PM on a daily basis in the media. We have an economy that has slowed putting immense pressure on the public spending targets which were already ambitious. And yet we see no sign of a Labour recovery. No sign at all. The risk for Labour must surely be that if the Tories can patch things up again after June (and it is a bit of an if) they will be out of sight.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35749837
Some parts seem reasonable, others less so IMO.
We still need action against the people smugglers: my suggestion is for the UN to create a special court to try the smugglers, and try to get not just the people on the ground, but the people higher up in the organisations as well.
People smuggling is an evil crime that exploits peoples' hardship.
I like the use of ambitious on the public spending targets - I presume you're not using in the politician's sense, meaning unachievable but pretending it is,
Behind the rhetoric, is there any evidence for this?
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
The Remainers on here are pro freedom of movement as am I, I'm surprised they support an organisation that is so blatantly xenophobic.
The EU is the political manifestation of Europe. There is no alternative. People might not like what the EU looks like but that is a different point. The great majority of Europe's countries are eitherin the EU or want to be. This is, across the continent, not simply a practical policy of trade but an assertion of shared values.
On democracy, certainly it could be more democratic but objectively, is it any less democratic than, say, the UK government? The EP is involved in most legislation and EU member governments form a second tier. What exactly is it that O'Neill wants?
Of course there's an alternative, there is always an alternative.
Still, I approve a commentt made the other day that each day spent whining about unfairness is a day less to convince people, so maybe flagging g up the Boris contradiction is a good thing as remain are whining?
It is odd just how little is heard from Labour over the referendum. Has the Shadow Cabinet been locked in a basement?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12186881/Jeremy-Corbyn-faces-down-critics-as-he-demands-Labour-MPs-end-public-sniping-and-anonymous-briefings.html
Which will be nice.
If we were in that situation, we'd be pleading the international community for help as well. And we're a much richer economy.
But we need to be doing more to tackle the people and organisations behind the people smuggling. Even if they lead to significant personages in surrounding countries.
http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2014/03/the-romans-ruled-an-age-ago-but-they-are-very-much-alive-in-modern-culture.html
I'm interested to hear what those espousing freedom of movement have to say. Very little I suspect.
Supporters had barely got over the embarrassment of Ed and then along comes Corbyn. I'm hopeful that the Libs might offer something. I heard Norman Lamb talking about cannabis this morning. I know it's trivial but from small acorns....
It means "jumped before he was pushed".
I wonder whether anyone in Parliament or the media is going start talking about toilets, as some of the feminists did when men started to discuss depression and suicide on International Men's Day.
It would be better if the LDs rise again though - good to have more viable options, and even though they pushed side the LDs for runner up in many places in the sw, I cannot see thevtories under pressure from labour here, and not sure if UKIP can manage it.
It's non-trivial for the 3-4% of the voters the Lib Dems are trying to hold on to perhaps
I will, its the resignation of no alternative that terrifies me, strengthens my belief that ever closer union is inevitable. Well it is if we vote Remain and I'm genuinely surprised why small c conservatives who favour small govt are shrugging their shoulders.
We'll have Tusk and Junker doing PMQs before long.
"It's hardly a bribe though, is it?"
No, it's the equivalent of the Krays popping round and offering "protection". If you choose not to pay, those little boats will increase in number.
To misquote, it's better to remain fairly quiet and be thought divided than to carpet-bomb the news cycle and prove it.
The deal with Turkey to help it with the refugee crisis and suppress people smuggling seems a good example of what the countries of Europe can do together. Far better to act collectively rather than unilaterally in these things. Perhaps this sort of deal should have been sorted sooner; but it is good to see it happen nontheless.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/thunderer/article4707641.ece
If any of the PB hierarchy are interested I'd be happy to write a header about this and the impact of the referendum on Ukip regardless of the outcome.