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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited March 2016
    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    A forthcoming directive on shoes?
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    It's only a 13 year high. Mind you what was it about 2003 that led it to be that high back then?!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited March 2016
    Norm said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    It's only a 13 year high. Mind you what was it about 2003 that led it to be that high back then?!
    Oopps.

    People love my attention to detail
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    This is the issue which no-one cares about,right?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    So concern has rocketed from 16% to 20%. Otherwise known as 1 in 5. Hmmm...

    Is this site just maybe overdoing this a tad?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Is Mandy still keen on the Euro?
    Norm said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    It's only a 13 year high. Mind you what was it about 2003 that led it to be that high back then?!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    runnymede said:

    This is the issue which no-one cares about,right?

    I know some people that have it as their number one concern... as they are scared about us leaving.

    Not everyone shares our views.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Poverty/Inequality drops a massive 4% - boy that Osborne chap is good. :lol:


    (runs off the ConHome for my penitance)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Norm said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    It's only a 13 year high. Mind you what was it about 2003 that led it to be that high back then?!
    Oopps.

    People love my attention to detail
    I thought the reference to "me attention to detail" was a joke but you have corrected it. Oh well.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And only two weeks to Budget Day
    SimonStClare said:

    Poverty/Inequality drops a massive 4% - boy that Osborne chap is good. :lol:


    (runs off the ConHome for my penitance)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    DavidL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Norm said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    It's only a 13 year high. Mind you what was it about 2003 that led it to be that high back then?!
    Oopps.

    People love my attention to detail
    I thought the reference to "me attention to detail" was a joke but you have corrected it. Oh well.
    Auto correct.

    I nearly left it unchanged
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Where's AV on the list?

    Must be number eleven.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    You do wonder to what extent these lists follow the news and how much they drive them.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    david_herdson said:

    You do wonder to what extent these lists follow the news and how much they drive them.

    Totally I would have thought. There is a referendum on the EU so would you not expect interest to pick up?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Plato_Says said:

    And only two weeks to Budget Day

    SimonStClare said:

    Poverty/Inequality drops a massive 4% - boy that Osborne chap is good. :lol:


    (runs off the ConHome for my penitance)

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,600
    Media mogul Rupert Murdoch has married actress-model Jerry Hall in London.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35725799
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    runnymede said:

    This is the issue which no-one cares about,right?

    Not that many.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    DavidL said:

    So concern has rocketed from 16% to 20%. Otherwise known as 1 in 5. Hmmm...

    Is this site just maybe overdoing this a tad?


    16 to 20 is a 1 in 4 or a 25% increase.

    /pedant
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    david_herdson said:

    You do wonder to what extent these lists follow the news and how much they drive them.

    Well, the actual question is not (as Mike implies) which are the issues of maximum concern, but "What do you see as the most important issues facing Britain today?".

    Clearly, by almost any standard the EU is an important issue facing Britain today, in a sense in which it wasn't when there was no referendum in the offing. I'm not sure that this tells us much one way or the other, TBH.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,600
    The coroner has rejected a request by the parents of Elliott Johnson to consider wider allegations of bullying by Tory party members during the inquest into his suicide. The wider allegations were described by the coroner as “very remote to the death of the deceased”, adding: “I will not allow the inquest to be used as a tool for putting anyone on trial”. A major development…

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/04/coroner-wont-consider-elliott-johnson-bullying-allegations/
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Where's pensions in the table!!!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    MarkHopkins said:

    DavidL said:

    So concern has rocketed from 16% to 20%. Otherwise known as 1 in 5. Hmmm...

    Is this site just maybe overdoing this a tad?


    16 to 20 is a 1 in 4 or a 25% increase.

    /pedant
    I think he meant concern had reached one in five people

    /pedant**2
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    rcs1000 said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    DavidL said:

    So concern has rocketed from 16% to 20%. Otherwise known as 1 in 5. Hmmm...

    Is this site just maybe overdoing this a tad?


    16 to 20 is a 1 in 4 or a 25% increase.

    /pedant
    I think he meant concern had reached one in five people

    /pedant**2

    Ahh. I was befuddled by the focus on the word "rocketed" and assumed that was the key point.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Media mogul Rupert Murdoch has married actress-model Jerry Hall in London.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35725799

    She was very good as Joker's partner in the 1990 Batman movie.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/lion-ted-cruz-crushes-the-detroit-debate/article/2001391

    A nice article for those of us long Cruz green...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    Where's Donald Trump in the list :D ?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    I wonder if IPSOS/Mori oversamples contributors to Political Betting.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The media has been banging on about it everyday for the past 2 weeks, constantly saying it's "the most important decision of our lifetimes"....and yet it only ranks 4th?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    Danny565 said:

    The media has been banging on about it everyday for the past 2 weeks, constantly saying it's "the most important decision of our lifetimes"....and yet it only ranks 4th?

    Well in reality it is far more important than the General Election, but people won't see it that way - especially those for "Remain".

    That'd change the morning after if there was an "Out" vote though, Twitter would go into meltdown.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Ummm, and more paragraphs like this one.
    The process by which the ideas that fuelled the Corbyn leadership catch light across the wide electorate is not a passive one. Like the anti-austerity movement that provided the backdrop for Corbyn’s rise, this next challenge will have to be another gear-shift in the pace and level of activity on the left: it will require a large new activist base to grow still further, and to push the narratives and ideas of the new left into communities and spaces where radical ideas are seldom heard. Those who cut their teeth on the unstoppable wave of optimism of the summer of 2015 must begin the gruelling low-level ground war for 2020, and a myriad of defensive social struggles in between.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/03/jeremy-corbyns-path-may-be-harder-we-thought-it-right-one
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    @Danny565 Currently of course leavers see it as of most concern, because they oppose the status quo.

    If we were outside the EU, those wishing to join would see it as more relevant than those who wished to remain outside; again because it is opposite the status quo.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Where's pensions in the table!!!

    The fact that people do not save properly for their pensions, except the already well off, tells us why pensions is not in that table.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    Seems to me like it's the older people that want to change.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Is there any knock on effect lower down the chain, Mr Charles?
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    As I understand it there was a huge marketing effort to flog units in places like Hong Kong. Government policies have reduced incentives for foreign buyers.




  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'I know some people that have it as their number one concern... as they are scared about us leaving.

    Not everyone shares our views.'

    So that's your Dad, and...:)
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Still gutted that Chelsea FC never got it, the stadium plans were superb.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    @Danny565 Currently of course leavers see it as of most concern, because they oppose the status quo.

    If we were outside the EU, those wishing to join would see it as more relevant than those who wished to remain outside; again because it is opposite the status quo.

    Are you suggesting that Leave is going to come 4th in the referendum...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    taffys said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Is there any knock on effect lower down the chain, Mr Charles?
    Flats yes, houses to a less extent.

    But, to be honest, we've tended to focus more on the prime/super-prime (but not oligarch-led) segment of the market than lower so my insight is more limited
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Danny565 Currently of course leavers see it as of most concern, because they oppose the status quo.

    If we were outside the EU, those wishing to join would see it as more relevant than those who wished to remain outside; again because it is opposite the status quo.

    Are you suggesting that Leave is going to come 4th in the referendum...
    Immigration looks like it might be a good proxy figure for "Leave" @ ~45%.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    So I take it we are assuming the EU membership has nothing to do with immigration, schools, health, housing or the economy then..... again.

    Its rather like asking people why they ran out their house, "because I couldn't breathe", "because of the smoke", "because it was too hot"... you see no one cares that their house is on fire.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,979
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Where's pensions in the table!!!

    They'll be there in a couple of weeks if Osborne doesn't back down :-)

    Personally, it's high on my list, as it looks like my state retire date will be pushed back, yet again, by a year or two under this new review.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Charles said:

    taffys said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Is there any knock on effect lower down the chain, Mr Charles?
    Flats yes, houses to a less extent.

    But, to be honest, we've tended to focus more on the prime/super-prime (but not oligarch-led) segment of the market than lower so my insight is more limited
    interesting thanks.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    nigel4england said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    Seems to me like it's the older people that want to change.
    Change back to their youth, I daresay. When Cammo explains that no one will be a day younger the numbers will change, too. Unless Boris has a trick up his sleeve, of course :(

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705773611206836224
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2016
    nigel4england said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Still gutted that Chelsea FC never got it, the stadium plans were superb.
    I only saw the away end but I couldn't believe how cramped up the away stand(shed) was at stamford bridge,very tight moving space when packed.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2016
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    I'd suggest that it tells us that older people dislike the status quo and want change. It also points out the parts of now that they are concerned about.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Battersea and the mile long development in Nine Elms have been sold off plan to overseas buyers, who having paid their deposits are probably walking away when asked to commit the balance. It's an indicator of problems ahead.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,757
    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Yeah, the whole market is down, especially for newer developments. Good news for ordinary people IMO.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Tykejohnno said:

    nigel4england said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Still gutted that Chelsea FC never got it, the stadium plans were superb.
    I only saw the away end but I couldn't believe how cramped up the away stand(shed) was at stamford bridge,very tight moving space when packed.
    Only holds 41,000 and apart from the West Stand they are crammed in.

    The plans for the new stadium are garish to say the least, looks like cathedral.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    watford30 said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Battersea and the mile long development in Nine Elms have been sold off plan to overseas buyers, who having paid their deposits are probably walking away when asked to commit the balance. It's an indicator of problems ahead.
    That's exactly what's happened.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Yeah, the whole market is down, especially for newer developments. Good news for ordinary people IMO.
    Also for London tories if prices come down enough.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    edited March 2016
    MarkHopkins said:

    DavidL said:

    So concern has rocketed from 16% to 20%. Otherwise known as 1 in 5. Hmmm...

    Is this site just maybe overdoing this a tad?


    16 to 20 is a 1 in 4 or a 25% increase.

    /pedant
    20% is 1 in 5 supposedly concerned about the EU. Which given the extent to which it has dominated the media over the last fortnight I find remarkable.

    Edit and having caught up with your exchange with rcs "rocketed" was facetious.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Yeah, the whole market is down, especially for newer developments. Good news for ordinary people IMO.
    Will noone spare a thought for Chinese & arab investors ?
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    chestnut said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    I'd suggest that it tells us that older people dislike the status quo and want change. It also points out the parts of now that they are concerned about.
    No - it relates merely to the importance of the issue. It doesn't say which side of the issue anyone's on.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,392
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Yeah, the whole market is down, especially for newer developments. Good news for ordinary people IMO.
    Will noone spare a thought for Chinese & arab investors ?
    Nope
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016
    POGWAS

    'Big Labour donors are flocking to Dan Jarvis amid growing speculation the former paratrooper could be the man to replace Jeremy Corbyn.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476451/Labour-donors-flock-Dan-Jarvis-renews-speculation-challenge-Jeremy-Corbyn-warning-party-change-win-voters.html
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    That's entirely consistent with what we are seeing across central London (as posted a few months ago).

    Battersea is at the worst end of the range, but we are commonly seeing 20%+ off asking prices.
    Yeah, the whole market is down, especially for newer developments. Good news for ordinary people IMO.
    Will noone spare a thought for Chinese & arab investors ?
    Nope
    Oil is creeping up though.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    watford30 said:

    POGWAS

    'Big Labour donors are flocking to Dan Jarvis amid growing speculation the former paratrooper could be the man to replace Jeremy Corbyn.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476451/Labour-donors-flock-Dan-Jarvis-renews-speculation-challenge-Jeremy-Corbyn-warning-party-change-win-voters.html

    Since when has The Daily Wail been an authority on the Labour Party?

  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can't imagine why the Eu has shot up to a 20 year high.

    A forthcoming directive on shoes?
    Toasters and Kettles would be my suggestion. - Although they have been put on the back burner until Post June for some reason.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    I'd suggest that it tells us that older people dislike the status quo and want change. It also points out the parts of now that they are concerned about.
    No - it relates merely to the importance of the issue. It doesn't say which side of the issue anyone's on.

    If you already understood that it relates to the importance of the issue, why did you bother to ask whether it tells us anything?




  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,617
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    nigel4england said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    Seems to me like it's the older people that want to change.
    Change back to their youth, I daresay. When Cammo explains that no one will be a day younger the numbers will change, too. Unless Boris has a trick up his sleeve, of course :(

    This post is rather repellent.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    chestnut said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    I'd suggest that it tells us that older people dislike the status quo and want change. It also points out the parts of now that they are concerned about.
    No - it relates merely to the importance of the issue. It doesn't say which side of the issue anyone's on.

    If you already understood that it relates to the importance of the issue, why did you bother to ask whether it tells us anything?




    Why don't you ask OGH to have me banned? See how far it gets you.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,703
    “Concern” about the EU is by no means the same thing as being in favour of Leave. Plenty of people are “concerned”....... i.e. think it’s a cuurently important issue ....... but by no means are they all Leavers.

    For many the “concern" is that we might Leave! And they don’t want to!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Epic trolling...

    @ScotTories: Ruth: I grew up watching titans leading Labour. Now I even feel nostalgic for Ed Miliband #scc16
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    watford30 said:

    POGWAS

    'Big Labour donors are flocking to Dan Jarvis amid growing speculation the former paratrooper could be the man to replace Jeremy Corbyn.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476451/Labour-donors-flock-Dan-Jarvis-renews-speculation-challenge-Jeremy-Corbyn-warning-party-change-win-voters.html

    Hmmm... I am taken by two things. The picture of Jeremy Corbyn and his tie and the side bar picture of Rupert Murdoch marrying Jerry Hall.
    I fail to see how anyone can criticise Cameron now for his jibe last week. And I'm wondering who has the bigger hands, Murdoch or Hall.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,436
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    How big are his hands?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    I think Goldsmith is taking one for the party and ensuring that Khan wins and Corbyn stays in office.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,617
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    Either that or a prediliction for teflon and cast iron.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2016
    dr_spyn said:

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    Could be more interesting than the usual fireworks displays and cycle rallies:

    http://izabael.typepad.com/izabael/2009/08/bacchanal-the-orgy-in-ancient-greek-and-roman-inspired-art.html

    [possibly NSFW!]
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    nigel4england said:

    Innocent_Abroad said:

    chestnut said:

    42/92 cite either the EU, foreign affairs or immigration as the single most important issue facing the UK today. 8% D/K or rounding

    By age:

    18-24: 28/92
    25-34: 30/92
    35-44: 35/92
    45-54: 45/92
    55-64: 49/92
    65---.: 60/92


    Does that really tell us anything, other than that older people dislike change?

    Seems to me like it's the older people that want to change.
    Change back to their youth, I daresay. When Cammo explains that no one will be a day younger the numbers will change, too. Unless Boris has a trick up his sleeve, of course :(

    This post is rather repellent.
    I suspect that what's repellent is inside your head...

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,895
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Dr. Spyn, don't be so satyrical.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Seems like he didn't get the memo.


    https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12792388_907111099387132_6524265650863452839_o.jpg
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    flightpath01 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    I think Goldsmith is taking one for the party and ensuring that Khan wins and Corbyn stays in office.
    Yes you could be right.

    I was surprised Goldsmith came out for Leave. This will not help his chances in the mayoral race as London must be pretty solid for Remain.

    I don't expect Corbyn to be challenged this year whatever the May election results - people will want to concentrate on the EU ref. And after that the May results will have been largely forgotten. But that does not mean that Corbyn is safe until 2020.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Dr. Spyn, don't be so satyrical.

    No need to faun.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    Could be more interesting than the usual fireworks displays and cycle rallies:

    http://izabael.typepad.com/izabael/2009/08/bacchanal-the-orgy-in-ancient-greek-and-roman-inspired-art.html

    [possibly NSFW!]
    But its just sculpture, art, and classical culture with a serious discussion of outcomes.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2016
    Meanwhile, the Conservatives continue to demonstrate their supposedly "compassionate" "one nation" credentials.

    A friend in the mental health support group I go to, who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, had serious suicidal feelings six months ago, and on a typical day suffers anxiety serious enough that he often can't even go to the shop down the road, has been declared fit for work and will be denied sickness benefits with immediate effect.

    A complete joke
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Oh my, @MrNabavi posting filth on the interwebby. - Is this the end of the British Empire…!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Seems to be on topic at the moment...

    "A dogging site. I'd arranged for the Deputy Prime Minister to visit a dogging site."

    https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/dot-commons-diary/nick-clegg-and-dogging-hotspot
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2016
    watford30 said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Battersea and the mile long development in Nine Elms have been sold off plan to overseas buyers, who having paid their deposits are probably walking away when asked to commit the balance. It's an indicator of problems ahead.
    Why is it a problem? The whole idea of a deposit is that if they walk away then they lose out and you keep the deposit and resell 100% of it to somebody new. That some parts of the world is struggling is nothing new but if the overseas buyers walk away then either locals or other overseas buyers can step in.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Danny565 said:

    Meanwhile, the Conservatives continue to demonstrate their supposedly "compassionate" "one nation" credentials.

    A friend in the mental health support group I go to, who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, had serious suicidal feelings six months ago, and on a typical day suffers anxiety serious enough that he often can't even go to the shop down the road, has been declared fit for work and will be denied sickness benefits with immediate effect.

    A complete joke

    Did Ian Duncan Smith carry out the assessment personally?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Philip_Thompson said:

    watford30 said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    taffys said:

    Tories may be getting lucky on housing too. City Am today reporting new Battersea power station developments seeing huge discounts to asking prices. Bound to have an effect lower down the chain.

    May help Zac a bit, I guess.

    The Battersea development is over-hyped and not terribly conveniently positioned. I wouldn't draw any general conclusions from it.
    Battersea and the mile long development in Nine Elms have been sold off plan to overseas buyers, who having paid their deposits are probably walking away when asked to commit the balance. It's an indicator of problems ahead.
    Why is it a problem? The whole idea of a deposit is that if they walk away then they lose out and you keep the deposit and resell 100% of it to somebody new. That some parts of the world is struggling is nothing new but if the overseas buyers walk away then either locals or other overseas buyers can step in.
    It's a problem because the builders have baked in the sale to their financing plans and they are left with more inventory than they can shift in the UK market

    The result is that prices are marked down by significantly more than value of the deposit, so the developers get burnt.

    (I think @watford30's point, though, was the fact that Chinese buyers - in particular - are walking away from high five/six figure sums is a sign of potential difficulties in their markets)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,600
    edited March 2016
    And today's asylum seeker violent crime report...

    A 19-year-old migrant has died after being stabbed in the throat during a brawl at a Swedish refugee hostel.

    Police say they are still investigating the motive for the killing but have arrested three suspects, all of whom are also asylum seekers.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3476665/Three-migrants-arrested-asylum-seeker-19-killed-stabbed-throat-brawl-refugee-centre-Sweden.html
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Oh dear me

    Could it be the third time in a hundred years Britain ruins Germany's plans to dominate Europe?
    #Brexit https://t.co/MyLDE9pTyC
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @LadPolitics: Today lots of people have been backing MITT at 66/1 to be the GOP nominee.
    GO MITT!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/705778620397199360

    Is a pansexual Mayor, one who is half man half goat, famed for his sexual prowess?

    Surely he wanted to mean metrosexual?
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    O/T
    LAPD confirms a knife was found buried at former home of #OJSimpson
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    O/T
    LAPD confirms a knife was found buried at former home of #OJSimpson

    What is the statute of limitation for murder in California ?
    OJ Simpson is still in jail in Nevada so he can't escape.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    flightpath01 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Meanwhile, the Conservatives continue to demonstrate their supposedly "compassionate" "one nation" credentials.

    A friend in the mental health support group I go to, who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, had serious suicidal feelings six months ago, and on a typical day suffers anxiety serious enough that he often can't even go to the shop down the road, has been declared fit for work and will be denied sickness benefits with immediate effect.

    A complete joke

    Did Ian Duncan Smith carry out the assessment personally?
    Do you think people who have severe depression should be denied benefits?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    flightpath01 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Meanwhile, the Conservatives continue to demonstrate their supposedly "compassionate" "one nation" credentials.

    A friend in the mental health support group I go to, who suffers from diagnosed clinical depression, had serious suicidal feelings six months ago, and on a typical day suffers anxiety serious enough that he often can't even go to the shop down the road, has been declared fit for work and will be denied sickness benefits with immediate effect.

    A complete joke

    Did Ian Duncan Smith carry out the assessment personally?
    I imagine he arranged for it to be done by an EU official.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited March 2016
    Speedy said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    O/T
    LAPD confirms a knife was found buried at former home of #OJSimpson

    What is the statute of limitation for murder in California ?
    OJ Simpson is still in jail in Nevada so he can't escape.
    CNN saying double jeopardy rules apply. Will prevent a prosecution.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,600
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    O/T
    LAPD confirms a knife was found buried at former home of #OJSimpson

    Interesting timing given the TV show on at the moment.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    Scott_P said:

    @LadPolitics: Today lots of people have been backing MITT at 66/1 to be the GOP nominee.
    GO MITT!

    Easiest money Ladbrokes will ever make :D
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Evening all. Have I missed any excitement?

    I see that Boris Johnson has earned the disdain of Simon Heffer:

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/03/even-boris-s-senior-colleagues-dread-tory-activists-handing-him-keys-downing
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