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The chart above shows the breakdown by party supported of entrants in PB’s referendum prediction competition. Interestingly breaking this down by party support not one segment had LEAVE ahead although UKIP voters were very nearly there.

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  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    First ..... again!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Deferred success.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)
    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    It's good to see William Hill, Britain's No.1 bookie, somewhat belatedly taking a real interest in political betting via your new TV operation Mike.
    Their Graham Sharpe is a smart cookie, no doubt. God, I was pleased you remembered his name just in time during the introduction!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,071
    Fascinating
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Can you add 50% on the chart. Might be relevant in this case... (perhaps as a dotted horizontal line, or is that just been a graphics nazi?)

    But your chart leads me to conclude we are collectively suffering from groupthink again, as we were before the last election
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,446
    edited March 2016
    A Warwick junior doctor has gone full Clarkson and proclaimed that Tory MPs “should all be shot”. Usman Ahmed is a trainee orthopaedic surgeon who has been one of the poster boys for the strikes on the BBC.

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/03/junior-doctor-poster-boy-tory-mps-should-all-be-shot/

    I hope he takes a lot more care at work when it comes to facts, given the number of factual errors in his facebook post.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,700
    Indigo said:

    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)

    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

    I'm surprised Outers aren't already hammering on about TTIP far far more than they are. Many of the leftist twitterati are well embedded as Remainers atm, but TTIP is an evil corporatist plot to many and making that association could be fruitful amongst this segment of voters.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,024
    My prediction of 41.5% for Leave helped drag the Ukip score down.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    A Warwick junior doctor has gone full Clarkson and proclaimed that Tory MPs “should all be shot”. Usman Ahmed is a trainee orthopaedic surgeon who has been one of the poster boys for the strikes on the BBC.

    http://order-order.com/2016/03/03/junior-doctor-poster-boy-tory-mps-should-all-be-shot/

    I hope he got his collar felt, he appears to have committed an offense under Section 4 of Offences against the Person Act 1861.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    tlg86 said:

    My prediction of 41.5% for Leave helped drag the Ukip score down.

    A bit pessimistic, old boy!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403
    Pro_Rata said:

    Don't see the inevitability. Eurozone = 338m people, non Eurozone but with close integration, 173m people across 11 nations - so above 1/3. Though that balance could change, it would take far better fiscal times than we have now, so the prospect of being a lone voice in the wilderness isn't coming about any time in the foreseeable.

    All of the countries currently in the EU but not in the euro have to join except us and Denmark. Sweden have figured out a loophole and Denmark are in ERM II. Only the UK has a full permanent opt-out of joining the eurozone or anything related to it. It will eventually be 27 vs 1 or possibly 26 vs 2, but Denmark will be in ERM II anyway. The EU will eventually turn into a single European state and the former nations will be like the US states with middling representation at the federal level via the EC (senate) and EUParl (house).

    A Remain vote leads us down this inevitable path.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Any chance of the data as a webpage link? I can't open the download file.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403
    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    So the average competition numbers were: REMAIN 54.3% vs LEAVE 45.7%.
    Should these numbers ultimately prove to be in the right ball park, then this illustrates the possible value of Wm. Hill's 7/4 odds against a LEAVE vote for England alone.
    By my broadbrush assumptions and calculations set out in the previous thread, a 53.25% REMAIN vote for the entire UK & N.I. equated to a parity 50% : 50% vote for England. I've staked a score on this basis to win £35, but DYOR.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,700
    What's the fewest number of people that can split 60.18 : 39.82 to 2 dp.

    In other words, precisely how many green entrants are there!
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    A friend of mine of 30+ years is a BA Captain, he claims the problem is basically zero staff turnover. All the flight crew in the front and the back earn substantially more than their equivalent in other comparable airlines, and is largely based on seniority, so they sit tight, but have in many cases lost their enthusiasm. This apparently gets worse on the farther you travel because those routes have more perks and pay more so the older, more experienced, but hide bound and unenthusiastic staff take those slots.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pro_Rata said:

    What's the fewest number of people that can split 60.18 : 39.82 to 2 dp.

    In other words, precisely how many green entrants are there!

    one.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,790
    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.

    I predicted a winning margin of circa 24 points. I think my turnout guess was almost exactly average, though.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Kate McCann
    Stuart Rose is knocking it out of the park again, says he hopes he's dead next time the EU debate comes up. Championing the in camp there
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,024
    Norm said:

    tlg86 said:

    My prediction of 41.5% for Leave helped drag the Ukip score down.

    A bit pessimistic, old boy!
    What is interesting is the turnout prediction. I think it might get into the 70s which would probably favour Remain. But if I'm wrong about that then Leave might do better.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    My prediction was 52% for Leave with a 52% turnout
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,700
    edited March 2016
    MaxPB said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Don't see the inevitability. Eurozone = 338m people, non Eurozone but with close integration, 173m people across 11 nations - so above 1/3. Though that balance could change, it would take far better fiscal times than we have now, so the prospect of being a lone voice in the wilderness isn't coming about any time in the foreseeable.

    All of the countries currently in the EU but not in the euro have to join except us and Denmark. Sweden have figured out a loophole and Denmark are in ERM II. Only the UK has a full permanent opt-out of joining the eurozone or anything related to it. It will eventually be 27 vs 1 or possibly 26 vs 2, but Denmark will be in ERM II anyway. The EU will eventually turn into a single European state and the former nations will be like the US states with middling representation at the federal level via the EC (senate) and EUParl (house).

    A Remain vote leads us down this inevitable path.
    But currently Eurozone = Very hungry caterpillar by Saturday night. It ate, some Olives, a load of feta, a bucket of Ouzo, not to mention pizza, paella etc etc.

    Whatever the rules say, it is not going to be hungry again or turning into a butterfly for a long, long time yet.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403
    Pro_Rata said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Don't see the inevitability. Eurozone = 338m people, non Eurozone but with close integration, 173m people across 11 nations - so above 1/3. Though that balance could change, it would take far better fiscal times than we have now, so the prospect of being a lone voice in the wilderness isn't coming about any time in the foreseeable.

    All of the countries currently in the EU but not in the euro have to join except us and Denmark. Sweden have figured out a loophole and Denmark are in ERM II. Only the UK has a full permanent opt-out of joining the eurozone or anything related to it. It will eventually be 27 vs 1 or possibly 26 vs 2, but Denmark will be in ERM II anyway. The EU will eventually turn into a single European state and the former nations will be like the US states with middling representation at the federal level via the EC (senate) and EUParl (house).

    A Remain vote leads us down this inevitable path.
    But currently Eurozone = Very hungry caterpillar by Saturday night. It ate, some Olives, a load of feta, a bucket of Ouzo, not to mention pizza, paella etc etc.

    Whatever the rules say, it is not going to be hungry again or turning into a butterfly for a long, long time yet.
    And their solution for this wasn't to call it a day, but to integrate further and begin a bond buying programme that is probably contrary to their own original rules.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    I'm basically in a DC10.
    Good to see you made the most of the Lounge.....the last BA DC-10 retired from the fleet 14 years ago.....
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    flightpath01 said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

    About as much as you do FlightBot.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Plato_Says said:

    Any chance of the data as a webpage link? I can't open the download file.

    The original data...

    http://show.nojam.com/a2t9/summary.php

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,210
    I didn't predict a result - I took a punt on a long shot.

    After being runner up in the last by-election competition, I'll stick with the same strategy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,790
    Mr. Flightpath, before the campaign began, when others touted him as a potential leader, I repeatedly said that, in the few times I saw him on TV, he came across as a lightweight (as I said of Burnham back when some thought he might be a leader).
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,052
    Pro_Rata said:

    Indigo said:

    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)

    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

    I'm surprised Outers aren't already hammering on about TTIP far far more than they are. Many of the leftist twitterati are well embedded as Remainers atm, but TTIP is an evil corporatist plot to many and making that association could be fruitful amongst this segment of voters.
    From the lefties I know I doubt it would outweigh their hatred of Farage and his closet racists in UKIP.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    edit
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MaxPB said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Don't see the inevitability. Eurozone = 338m people, non Eurozone but with close integration, 173m people across 11 nations - so above 1/3. Though that balance could change, it would take far better fiscal times than we have now, so the prospect of being a lone voice in the wilderness isn't coming about any time in the foreseeable.

    All of the countries currently in the EU but not in the euro have to join except us and Denmark. Sweden have figured out a loophole and Denmark are in ERM II. Only the UK has a full permanent opt-out of joining the eurozone or anything related to it. It will eventually be 27 vs 1 or possibly 26 vs 2, but Denmark will be in ERM II anyway. The EU will eventually turn into a single European state and the former nations will be like the US states with middling representation at the federal level via the EC (senate) and EUParl (house).

    A Remain vote leads us down this inevitable path.
    No it does not. The path of the EZ/EU may well eventually be inevitable somewhere on the lines you describe - that is not in our gift to do anything about - its entirely up to them.
    But there is nothing inevitable in the least about about us joining in, certainly not specifically related to a Remain vote.
    Plus it will require another referendum to give up the £.
    A Remain vote will specifically endorse a multiple currency EU.
    If we 'Leave' then the converse is true indeed 'inevitable' - the EU will become a single currency area and any future desire to rejoin it will mean losing the £. Only by remaining can we guarantee to keep the £.

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Indigo said:

    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)

    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

    I'm surprised Outers aren't already hammering on about TTIP far far more than they are. Many of the leftist twitterati are well embedded as Remainers atm, but TTIP is an evil corporatist plot to many and making that association could be fruitful amongst this segment of voters.
    From the lefties I know I doubt it would outweigh their hatred of Farage and his closet racists in UKIP.
    Then when they can't nationalise the railways and have to privatise large chunks of the NHS in a decades time they have no room for complaint.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Indigo said:

    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)

    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

    I'm surprised Outers aren't already hammering on about TTIP far far more than they are. Many of the leftist twitterati are well embedded as Remainers atm, but TTIP is an evil corporatist plot to many and making that association could be fruitful amongst this segment of voters.
    From the lefties I know I doubt it would outweigh their hatred of Farage and his closet racists in UKIP.
    What has racism got to do with TTIP?
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    tlg86 said:

    Norm said:

    tlg86 said:

    My prediction of 41.5% for Leave helped drag the Ukip score down.

    A bit pessimistic, old boy!
    What is interesting is the turnout prediction. I think it might get into the 70s which would probably favour Remain. But if I'm wrong about that then Leave might do better.
    I'd be amazed if the can't be blowed section of the electorate turn up this time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,895
    Is the compo closed ?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Pulpstar said:

    Is the compo closed ?

    Closed Wed 10pm.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Afternoon all.

    Will the wisdom of the crowd prove more accurate than the BPC cohorts? or will they herd :lol:
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Not a major route - the put their best planes on their most profitable routes. In BA's case this is:

    1. London-JFK (not Newark, terrible planes from Newark)
    2. London-HK
    3. London-Lagos

    For EVA London-Bankok will be important (presumably a feeder to Taipei where EVA is based)

    This is most noticeable on London to Moscow. BA planes are their worst. Aeroflop's planes are their best.
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    Yay.!! Totally unexpected declaration for Leave from a bloke in our office. A fluent Spanish speaker who has lived and worked in Spain. Aged about 30. Thinks it will help bring down house prices. There is hope. Not one other person has mentioned the referendum.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Business or First class? I can book a business class return fare to Bangkok in April for under £2k on BA
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Norm said:

    tlg86 said:

    Norm said:

    tlg86 said:

    My prediction of 41.5% for Leave helped drag the Ukip score down.

    A bit pessimistic, old boy!
    What is interesting is the turnout prediction. I think it might get into the 70s which would probably favour Remain. But if I'm wrong about that then Leave might do better.
    I'd be amazed if the can't be blowed section of the electorate turn up this time.
    Me too hence my 52% turnout prediction.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,071
    SimonStClare said:

    Afternoon all.

    Will the wisdom of the crowd prove more accurate than the BPC cohorts? or will they herd :lol:

    PB Tories, always right, nothing more to learn.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    The London - Bangkok is a Boeing 777, not sure whether its the -200 or -300 version
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    I wonder what % of BBC employees are for Leave
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld

    Just because you book BA doesn't mean you are getting on a BA aircraft.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,052
    Indigo said:

    OllyT said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Indigo said:

    Damn new threads! And there I was just suggesting the real way we would eventually leave the EU ;)

    Indigo said:

    In 2025 there will be a neo-Corbynite Labour government, they will have been in office for a week, when the phone rings from Brussels and tells them that nationalising the railways is out of the question because of the Third Railways Directive, and that he has five years to fully privatise the NHS because of TTIP.... the next week Labour will invoke Article 50 ;)

    I'm surprised Outers aren't already hammering on about TTIP far far more than they are. Many of the leftist twitterati are well embedded as Remainers atm, but TTIP is an evil corporatist plot to many and making that association could be fruitful amongst this segment of voters.
    From the lefties I know I doubt it would outweigh their hatred of Farage and his closet racists in UKIP.
    Then when they can't nationalise the railways and have to privatise large chunks of the NHS in a decades time they have no room for complaint.
    Fair enough, I'm just telling you what I'm hearing and most of them loathe UKIP and will vote accordingly.

    Anecdote alert:- A couple we know who do some work for us in the garden etc voted UKIP in May as they have views on immigration that make me blush This morning I was moaning to them that I would be glad when the referendum was over. Much to my surprise they told me they were going to vote REMAIN because leaving was going to make "b*gg*r all difference to immigration and without that it was too big a risk. I was genuinely gobsmacked
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

    About as much as you do FlightBot.
    I am objective enough to know that there is no real difference between staying in and leaving and that more and more the leavers are just burnishing personal prejudices and animosity at politicians who have the nerve not to perform to their dog whistles, rather than caring tuppence about the country or indeed living in the real world - OK IdiBot?
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,538
    blackburn63 said:

    I wonder what % of BBC employees are for Leave

    The Beeb are all currently happy to take Cameron's line, as the Govt. are going to push through legislation to require you to buy a Licence to watch BBC programmes on the i-player. Worth £100m to them by 2022, they reckon.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    JonathanD said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    The London - Bangkok is a Boeing 777, not sure whether its the -200 or -300 version
    -200

    And FWIW I prefered the DC-10 - a very fine aircraft & quieter than the 777.......
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,790
    Mr. Runnymede, the piece he wrote for the Mail saying we should stay in, but opening by saying he wouldn't want us to join the EU if we weren't in it, was quite entertaining.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld

    Just because you book BA doesn't mean you are getting on a BA aircraft.

    You are if you are flying to BKK direct from LHR......
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    Aw Bless. SeanT's humour has completely by passed dear old Flight Bot.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    FAO: OGH & Others - I've just emailed Sporting, suggesting that they consider offering spreads on the percentage vote for either REMAIN or LEAVE in the referendum and also the percentage overall UK turnout in the said referendum.
    I'll post the essence of any reply which I receive from them.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    flightpath01 said:

    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

    About as much as you do FlightBot.
    I am objective enough to know that there is no real difference between staying in and leaving and that more and more the leavers are just burnishing personal prejudices and animosity at politicians who have the nerve not to perform to their dog whistles, rather than caring tuppence about the country or indeed living in the real world - OK IdiBot?
    No, that's conjecture. If Leave wins as the result of public concern about immigration after several months of border problems in the EU, there is no way the government is going go the EEA route, it would be electoral suicide. When push comes to shove they are politicians and want to get re-elected, and all the Corbyns in the world won't stop an electoral disaster if the government goes and joins the EEA in the teeth of enough public concern about immigration to swing a Leave vote. Some of the smarter Remainers seem to have clocked this basic idea, but I wouldn't expect that to include you.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    flightpath01 said:

    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

    About as much as you do FlightBot.
    I am objective enough to know that there is no real difference between staying in and leaving and that more and more the leavers are just burnishing personal prejudices and animosity at politicians who have the nerve not to perform to their dog whistles, rather than caring tuppence about the country or indeed living in the real world - OK IdiBot?
    Approximately £10 billion is very little?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,538
    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    edited March 2016
    FattyBolger said:

    Yay.!! Totally unexpected declaration for Leave from a bloke in our office. A fluent Spanish speaker who has lived and worked in Spain. Aged about 30. Thinks it will help bring down house prices. There is hope. Not one other person has mentioned the referendum.

    Wisdom comes in unexpected places!
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    watford30 said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    Aw Bless. SeanT's humour has completely by passed dear old Flight Bot.
    Poor old flightpath doesn't see the point in humour, its for stupid people
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    CarlottaVance said:

    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld

    Just because you book BA doesn't mean you are getting on a BA aircraft.

    You are if you are flying to BKK direct from LHR......
    Probably true. I fly PAL from LHR to MNL, partly because I am a cheapskate and it costs about half what BA does, and partly because they give me 50% more luggage allowance than BA does ;)
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    You kinda wonder what he might really do in the secrecy of the polling booth!
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    blackburn63 said:

    watford30 said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    Aw Bless. SeanT's humour has completely by passed dear old Flight Bot.
    Poor old flightpath doesn't see the point in humour, its for stupid people
    My Flighpath emulator is surprisingly accurate, with it I can read humourless droning whenever I want :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,071
    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    @Olly T FPT

    It was a joke.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Indigo said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld

    Just because you book BA doesn't mean you are getting on a BA aircraft.

    You are if you are flying to BKK direct from LHR......
    Probably true. I fly PAL from LHR to MNL, partly because I am a cheapskate and it costs about half what BA does, and partly because they give me 50% more luggage allowance than BA does ;)
    The luggage allowance can make a big difference - for those of us paying for our own tickets - the ME carriers are now almost all 30kg - and on a recent trip I discovered that for some reason the excess baggage charges on Garuda from Amsterdam were one tenth of other airlines.....
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016
    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    He exhibits a level of sycophancy that might even make Nabavi blush.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.
    Yes it saves thinking for yourself
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    FattyBolger said:

    Yay.!! Totally unexpected declaration for Leave from a bloke in our office. A fluent Spanish speaker who has lived and worked in Spain. Aged about 30. Thinks it will help bring down house prices.

    A major economic slump would do that......you sure he's not a Project Fear sleeper? ;-)
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    nigel4england said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Indigo said:

    flightpath01 said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    FPT: Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly.
    .....

    Well what an unsurprising observation ... as if you are capable of seeing anything else.

    About as much as you do FlightBot.
    I am objective enough to know that there is no real difference between staying in and leaving and that more and more the leavers are just burnishing personal prejudices and animosity at politicians who have the nerve not to perform to their dog whistles, rather than caring tuppence about the country or indeed living in the real world - OK IdiBot?
    Approximately £10 billion is very little?
    A billion here, a billion there...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,538
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.
    Did OGH tell you to post that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,071
    MarqueeMark said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.
    Did OGH tell you to post that?
    No, David Maxwell Fyfe did
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.

    That depends entirely on what you are being 'loyal' to, doesn't it?

    I would suggest breaking with loyalty in order to act according to your conscience and for the greater good was a far more admirable quality.
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,071
    pbr2013 said:

    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?

    Us intelligent types can multi task.

    Plus I spend far too much of my working week either in taxis and long train journeys.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    peter_from_putney said:

    FAO: OGH & Others - I've just emailed Sporting, suggesting that they consider offering spreads on the percentage vote for either REMAIN or LEAVE in the referendum and also the percentage overall UK turnout in the said referendum.
    I'll post the essence of any reply which I receive from them.

    Silly me - Sporting have replied pointing out that they are already offering spreads on the outcome of the referendum, where their current % spreads for the two sides are as follows:

    REMAIN 53 - 54
    LEAVE 46 - 47

    In other words, almost precisely in agreement with the average of PB's competition entrants - God are we collectively very boring or simply very wise?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Louisiana - Magellan Strategies.

    GOP - Trump 41 .. Carson 21 .. Rubio 15 .. Kasich 9 .. Carson 5

    Dem - Clinton 61 .. Sanders 14

    http://thehayride.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/LA-PRESPRIM-030116-TOPLINES.pdf

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    runnymede said:

    'Javid doing a sterling job making himself look pathetic, intellectually incoherent, careerist, and cowardly'

    He's hardly the only one, though his bizarre and tortuous justification for backing Remain did mark him out a bit from the others...

    Everything told him to go with Leave.

    Except his boss.
    Loyalty is an admirable quality.
    Who needs principles in politics when you have George Osborne's arse to lick!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,741
    edited March 2016
    flightpath01 said:



    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa

    As we're all swapping flying anecdotes, I will say I was impressed by Norwegian's cut-price planes to the US - unlike Ryanair and the like, they offer comfortable leg room, mass of seat-back entertainment without charge and ultra-modern aircraft with gizmos like button-operated cabin window shading. They are currently advertising flights to NY (one way) for £174... The downsides are that you pay extra if you have significant baggage, insist on a particular seat or demand airline food, all of which are meh as far as I'm concerned.

    The most fun airline was in Kenya - forgotten their name now, but the pilot safety announcement was full of wisecracks like, "If you've not figured out how seatbelts work yet, you shouldn't be on this plane, so I can't be bothered to tell you".
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    O_o

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12103359/German-finance-minister-proposes-EU-wide-petrol-tax-to-pay-for-refugee-costs.html
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Michigan - Fox2 Detroit/Mitchell

    GOP - Trump 39 .. Rubio 19 .. Carson 14 .. Kasich 12 .. Carson 9

    Dem - Clinton 61 .. Sanders 33

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_FOX_2_GOP_Primary_3-2-16.pdf
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    If each of the richer EU countries (Germany, France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain) stumped up Eur 1 billion each, Europe could afford to build perfect refugee camps all over turky, and North Africa.

    Probably be cheaper than the drip drip drip of spend at the moment
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,446
    pbr2013 said:

    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?

    4 monitors....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    A friend of mine of 30+ years is a BA Captain, he claims the problem is basically zero staff turnover. All the flight crew in the front and the back earn substantially more than their equivalent in other comparable airlines, and is largely based on seniority, so they sit tight, but have in many cases lost their enthusiasm. This apparently gets worse on the farther you travel because those routes have more perks and pay more so the older, more experienced, but hide bound and unenthusiastic staff take those slots.
    Probably explains the heft of most of the BA staff I encounter. Virgin far more streamlined.

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    blackburn63 said:

    watford30 said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    As I read it BA do not have DC-10s - I am not sure they ever had. The seats convert to beds. They make a big thing about the rear facing seats.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2013/03/07/radical-business-class-sets-british-airways-apart/#622d794130fa
    Aw Bless. SeanT's humour has completely by passed dear old Flight Bot.
    Poor old flightpath doesn't see the point in humour, its for stupid people
    Feeling better for that? Shock horror someone disagrees with you? All girls together congratulating yourselves on your ignorance? The PB bubble? Oh no heaven forbid you should be twittering away reinforcing your prejudices in your very own bubble.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    pbr2013 said:

    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?

    The same thoughts have often occurred to me - best epitomised by the late (not literally I hope) and much missed "tim" formerly of this parish who would post dozens and dozens of times each and every day, 7 days a week. How he found time to be a farmer and/or a wine merchant, etc at the same time is totally beyond me as is also the small matter of how he manages to fill his days since leaving us.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,446
    edited March 2016
    peter_from_putney said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?

    The same thoughts have often occurred to me - best epitomised by the late (not literally I hope) and much missed "tim" formerly of this parish who would post dozens and dozens of times each and every day, 7 days a week. How he found time to be a farmer and/or a wine merchant, etc at the same time is totally beyond me as is also the small matter of how he manages to fill his days since leaving us.
    Because he was neither...11.1K tweets is how he fills his time...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,895
    Sixty one percent of Trump voters strongly agree that they “are mad as hell and they won’t take it anymore.”
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Bugger

    Five-Quarter North Sea gas extraction firm collapses https://t.co/BZmwJ3kXmL https://t.co/4vlOiBPX1B
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    JackW said:

    Louisiana - Magellan Strategies.

    GOP - Trump 41 .. Carson 21 .. Rubio 15 .. Kasich 9 .. Carson 5

    Dem - Clinton 61 .. Sanders 14

    http://thehayride.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/LA-PRESPRIM-030116-TOPLINES.pdf

    Handy. I found no recent LA polls on RCP.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Pulpstar said:

    Sixty one percent of Trump voters strongly agree that they “are mad as hell and they won’t take it anymore.”

    Hehe. So 39 percent are chill.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    pbr2013 said:

    I looked at my posts today and was horrified by typos, formatting errors etc. Mostly because I post from a phone.

    I lurk here mostly. And I spend too much time doing that. What I have never understood is how so many successful professional/business types here find the time. How do you do that?

    The same thoughts have often occurred to me - best epitomised by the late (not literally I hope) and much missed "tim" formerly of this parish who would post dozens and dozens of times each and every day, 7 days a week. How he found time to be a farmer and/or a wine merchant, etc at the same time is totally beyond me as is also the small matter of how he manages to fill his days since leaving us.
    Because he was neither...11.1K tweets is how he fills his time...
    With just over 450 followers, most of which are probably on this board :D
  • AlasdairAlasdair Posts: 72
    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    BRITISH AIRWAYS BIZ CLASS TO BANGKOK ABSOLUTELY SUCKS COMPARED TO EVA.

    and it costs more.

    Just had to get that off my chest. The difference really is phenomenal. The Asians are eating our lunch. How do they do it?

    Their flight attendants earn half of the wage and have no pension rights.
    It's not the staff it's the facilities. I'm basically in a DC10. No usb portal. Cramped. Wobbly chairs. Old plane. Just rubbish. That weird configuration where you sit opposite strangers. And they charge £3k for the privilege.

    Eva air charge £2.5k and have fabulous individual podules, new planes, better departure times, endless food and wine.

    Something is going wrong. And this is a major route. London Bangkok.
    Well paying their staff more means they can't afford to replace their planes as often as they'd like. Though BA do have 34 787 aircraft on order and the option to buy more. The situation should improve once those are delivered. You have to remember that BA has the first mover's disadvantage, especially against an airline like EVA which is less than 30 years old.
    Some 787s are already in service. My wife, who dreads flying, flew to Calgary in one and was full of praise for BA and the aircraft.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Plato_Says said:

    O_o

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12103359/German-finance-minister-proposes-EU-wide-petrol-tax-to-pay-for-refugee-costs.html

    Having the whole Schengen area contribute to securing its external border would be a great step forward.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,276
    JackW said:

    Michigan - Fox2 Detroit/Mitchell

    GOP - Trump 39 .. Rubio 19 .. Carson 14 .. Kasich 12 .. Carson 9

    Dem - Clinton 61 .. Sanders 33

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_FOX_2_GOP_Primary_3-2-16.pdf

    Jack, what odds can I get on President Trump appointing Sarah Palin to SCOTUS?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited March 2016
    I missed this gem.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12174979/Jeremy-Corbyn-is-playing-student-politics-over-Trident-GMB-union-warns.html
    One of the biggest unions in the country has taken aim at the Labour leader over his anti-Trident views, accusing him being a 'professional poser'

    Jeremy Corbyn and anti-Trident members of his shadow Cabinet are "professional posers" who are playing student politics while sipping lattes in Islington, one of Britain's biggest unions has warned ahead of Labour leader's CND address.
    Seems to be a bit of buyer's remorse amongst the brothers and sisters.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited March 2016
    Cracking piece from Allister Heath

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181449/The-EU-Inners-will-regret-turning-Project-Fear-into-Project-White-Flag.html
    But the Government and many of its anti-Brexit allies have gone too far: instead of carefully stoking the public’s understandable fear of change, and planting doubt in its mind, they have decided to wildly exaggerate the downsides of leaving.

    The hit to the economy could be greater than that from the Great Recession, we are told by some hysterical economists, and even that best-selling children’s books would no longer be written because, apparently, no non-British authors or illustrators would be allowed into the UK if we were not part of the EU.

    ... Even worse for the Government, it has also allowed a toxic narrative to set in: the idea that it would be powerless to stand up for Britain’s interests and look after our economy in the event of a Leave vote.
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