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  • notme said:

    tlg86 said:


    What economic miracle would that be? House prices soaring beyond the reach of anyone without the bank of mum and dad?

    The lowest unemployment in a generation?
    Except it isn't:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSC&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    Unemployment was lower in April 2008 than it is now, with a minimum at September 2004.

    Raw numbers or percentages?
    That's raw numbers.

    Here's the unemployment rate:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSX&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    The low point is July 2004 to August 2005.

  • Good news for Leave. He's a top bloke

    Attorney General could vote to leave European Union

    Exclusive: Jeremy Wright, the Attorney General, is "50/50" on whether Britain should stay in the European Union and has significant concerns about the growing influence of European courts

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12156936/Attorney-General-could-vote-to-leave-European-Union.html
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    RoyalBlue said:

    Great news re HSBC. A vote of confidence in GB!

    I think just wanting to avoid an expensive move at a stormy time. In ten years or so they will be based there, or perhaps Shanghai.
    I don't think so. Globe-hopping multilingual executives want to live in a world city, not one that is purely Chinese. The gradual erosion of HK's autonomy will make it less attractive too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,362

    Good news for Leave. He's a top bloke

    Attorney General could vote to leave European Union

    Exclusive: Jeremy Wright, the Attorney General, is "50/50" on whether Britain should stay in the European Union and has significant concerns about the growing influence of European courts

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12156936/Attorney-General-could-vote-to-leave-European-Union.html

    I knew him when I was at Warwick Uni, he was a Ken Clarke backer then, I expect he will back Cameron in the end
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,362

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andrew Rawnsley 'Britain's future in Europe lies in the hands of the Labour Party'.....
    For the only time in his life, David Cameron will be desperate for a Labour campaign to be a stonking success. His place in history and Britain’s place in Europe depend on it. The Tory leader may have started this, but it will be Labour people who decide how it ends.'
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/14/eu-referendum-labour-tories

    Yes what could posibly go wrong in asking Labour voter to support the Cameron proposal? Have they thought this one through? Also it may drive even more Labour voters that are anti-immigration into the arms of UKIP.
    "Hi I am from the Labour party and Labour want to stay in the EC".....
    Clegg's tv debates reminding voters that the Lib Dems were very pro the EC could have resulted in driving down their vote at the european elections in 2014.
    It was a statement of the fairly obvious point that with at least of half of Tories voting Out (of course themselves then targets for UKIP) as well as virtually all of UKIP voters it will be Labour voters who will be needed for Remain to win, the likes of Alan Johnson and David Blunkett will be key in that regard
    Tories, Labour, LDs, SNP, PC and Green should each run their own campaigns, as do the CBI and TUC. There is no need to unite under one banner, just look at the harm it did SLAB to be associated with Cameron.

    Each has its own reasons for staying in and its own electorate. Stay seperate, as indeed should the kippers and BOOer Tories. Trying to unite rivals just promotes infighting.
    Yes I think it will have to be a very loose umbrella
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Charles said:

    Pong said:

    LondonBob said:

    I think what was most interesting about the Trump Jeb clash was that it was clearly a dry run for a Trump Hilary debate in the Presidential. The line that the Iraq war was a horrific mistake and the troops should be brought home, with the money used to rebuild America instead, is the strongest line when polled with voters.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html?utm_hp_ref=yahoo&ir=Yahoo

    Not only would Trump have the standing and courage to crucify her on Iraq, but he would also go after her on Syria, Libya and Benghazi. As Jeffrey Sachs points out in the article linked to, she is up to her neck in Syria. I can only imagine how brutal it would be, and it is why Hilary lost to Obama, and it will be why she will lose to Trump. That is if Sanders doesn't get the guts to bury her first.

    Trump seriously messed up so by aggressively blaming 9/11 on Bush - at least before ST. He has to win the GOP first and remarks like that will turnout the anti-trumpers more than it will fire up his own core vote.

    I feel dirty linking to the media operation of the NF/KKK, but here goes;

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/14/trumps-attack-on-911-strategy-or-conspiracy/

    "To conservative critics, Trump’s comments on 9/11 made him sound like a Democrat."

    Ouch.
    I think it was a calculated gamble.

    He thinks he's far enough ahead in SC / in the GOP race to take risks - this was part of a pivot to the centre which he could execute in the most visible manner only while Jeb is still in the race.
    It's interesting to speculate how much of Sanders' support could transfer to Trump in the general if Hillary is the nominee. Probably more than you'd think, especially if he ends up getting chewed up by the Clinton machine in a bitter contest.
    If there is a Supreme Court Justice still to nominate due to the Senate Republicans being morons then there will be zero leakage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,362
    The Revenant wins Best Film at the BAFTAs
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited February 2016
    https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/698102342097465345

    It looks to me that there is something very rotten in Deepcut, and in the Murdoch press for how they report it. Romp indeed!
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/698102342097465345

    It looks to me that there is something very rotten in Deepcut.

    And in the offices on Fleet Street.
  • HYUFD said:

    The Revenant wins Best Film at the BAFTAs

    Was already on the BBC site
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35559488
  • notme said:

    tlg86 said:


    What economic miracle would that be? House prices soaring beyond the reach of anyone without the bank of mum and dad?

    The lowest unemployment in a generation?
    Except it isn't:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSC&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    Unemployment was lower in April 2008 than it is now, with a minimum at September 2004.

    Raw numbers or percentages?
    That's raw numbers.

    Here's the unemployment rate:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSX&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    The low point is July 2004 to August 2005.

    An interesting long term employment trend has been how stable the economically active percentage has been - from 75% in 1971 to 78% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF22&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    However within this there has been a reduction in the male economically active percentage from 95% in 1971 to 83% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSP&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    whilst the female economically active percentage increased from 56% in 1971 to 72% in 2014.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF23&dataset=lms&table-id=01

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,362

    HYUFD said:

    The Revenant wins Best Film at the BAFTAs

    Was already on the BBC site
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35559488
    Well presumably given it was on their channel they would then put it on their website, yes
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Revenant wins Best Film at the BAFTAs

    Was already on the BBC site
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35559488
    Well presumably given it was on their channel they would then put it on their website, yes
    My point is the transmission was a recording!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716

    notme said:

    tlg86 said:


    What economic miracle would that be? House prices soaring beyond the reach of anyone without the bank of mum and dad?

    The lowest unemployment in a generation?
    Except it isn't:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSC&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    Unemployment was lower in April 2008 than it is now, with a minimum at September 2004.

    Raw numbers or percentages?
    That's raw numbers.

    Here's the unemployment rate:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSX&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    The low point is July 2004 to August 2005.

    An interesting long term employment trend has been how stable the economically active percentage has been - from 75% in 1971 to 78% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF22&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    However within this there has been a reduction in the male economically active percentage from 95% in 1971 to 83% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSP&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    whilst the female economically active percentage increased from 56% in 1971 to 72% in 2014.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF23&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    There's a similar pattern globally, with falling male participation and rising female.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,362

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Revenant wins Best Film at the BAFTAs

    Was already on the BBC site
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35559488
    Well presumably given it was on their channel they would then put it on their website, yes
    My point is the transmission was a recording!
    Yes well whether announced 50 minutes ago or 25 minutes ago the Revenant still won best film
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    notme said:

    tlg86 said:


    What economic miracle would that be? House prices soaring beyond the reach of anyone without the bank of mum and dad?

    The lowest unemployment in a generation?
    Except it isn't:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSC&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    Unemployment was lower in April 2008 than it is now, with a minimum at September 2004.

    Raw numbers or percentages?
    That's raw numbers.

    Here's the unemployment rate:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSX&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    The low point is July 2004 to August 2005.

    An interesting long term employment trend has been how stable the economically active percentage has been - from 75% in 1971 to 78% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF22&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    However within this there has been a reduction in the male economically active percentage from 95% in 1971 to 83% in 2014:

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=MGSP&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    whilst the female economically active percentage increased from 56% in 1971 to 72% in 2014.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=LF23&dataset=lms&table-id=01

    There's a similar pattern globally, with falling male participation and rising female.
    I expect an inverse correlation with fertility rate too.
  • John_NJohn_N Posts: 389
    Liquidity in the EURef betting market will soar as soon as a date is set, and stakes may even exceed those for the Scottish indyref. The price of Leave is bound to go up. Where can a person get a stonking great bet on Leave, say five figures? Betfair Exchange offers Leave at 3.2, but only for much smaller amounts, three figures only.
  • HSBC to keep headquarters in London

    Hong Kong is not as attractive as it was a year ago.

    Maybe they should rename themselves as UKBC.

    Midland - The Listening Bank :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Just looked up train prices from London to St Ives in Cornwall. Return is £108. Splitting the journey by going via Bristol is £72. They ought to give that option to begin with instead of assuming you want to get there as fast as possible without changing.

    Try here

    http://www.splitticketing.com/
    Thanks very much Moses.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited February 2016
    Off Topic

    ***** Betting Post *****

    There's currently an unusually large discrepancy in the betting market for next month's Oscar award for "Best Picture"
    Whereas both Bet365 and SkyBet make The Revenant the odds-on favourite at odds of 5/6, those nice people at Stan James are happy to offer the same bet at 6/4.
    Put another way, the profit on offer should this bet deliver varies from between 83% and 150% of one's stake. One or other of these prices appears to be wrong and I'm hoping it's the more generous of the two, having personally staked a modest tenner to win £15.

    DYOR
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Someone I haven't heard of before on Sky News Paper Review, Eliza Filby.

    https://twitter.com/ElizaFilby
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited February 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Jeremy Corbyn faces 'mutiny' from MPs over claims he believes migrant benefit curbs are 'discriminatory' https://t.co/w7jaYoOQn6

    I am not sure this quote will be helpful to Dave and remain from the article you linked to:
    Labour yesterday downplayed the reports, saying that he will instead say that Mr Cameron has been "playing at the edges" during the renegotiation.
  • I'm afraid SeanT is right: you invariably embarrass yourself whenever you post on this subject.

    I laughed out loud at that one.

    It's the new PB meme. Anyone who doesn't buy into the hysteria of the Leave side 'embarrasses himself'.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited February 2016
    John_N said:

    Liquidity in the EURef betting market will soar as soon as a date is set, and stakes may even exceed those for the Scottish indyref. The price of Leave is bound to go up. Where can a person get a stonking great bet on Leave, say five figures? Betfair Exchange offers Leave at 3.2, but only for much smaller amounts, three figures only.

    If you want to place a large stake, call up the main bookmakers during office hours and they will quote you. I know William Hill, Ladbrokes & Sporting Index will all take a large stake.

    Try to push them for 2/1, if possible.
  • Big_G_NorthWales

    What total fantasy. There was never a debate between Salmond and Soubry on Marr - just Anna behaving in her usual off the wall manner in the round up at the end of the programme and Salmond looking amused, followed by the usual Tory spin. If I recall in correctly they did debate last year on Any Questions with Salmond emerging as the clear favourite of a LONDON audience.

    In any case Farage has already ducked the debate by saying that others would have to be there for him to take part. He is wise. One on one Salmond is the best debater around and would give Farage the total tanking he deserves.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2016
    Interesting book written by Eliza Filby, published about a year ago:

    "God and Mrs Thatcher: The Battle for Britain's Soul"
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Mrs-Thatcher-Battle-Britains/dp/1849547858
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Off Topic

    ***** Betting Post *****

    There's currently an unusually large discrepancy in the betting market for next month's Oscar award for "Best Picture"
    Whereas both Bet365 and SkyBet make The Revenant the odds-on favourite at odds of 5/6, those nice people at Stan James are happy to offer the same bet at 6/4.
    Put another way, the profit on offer should this bet deliver varies from between 83% and 150% of one's stake. One or other of these prices appears to be wrong and I'm hoping it's the more generous of the two, having personally staked a modest tenner to win £15.

    DYOR

    How close to the BAFTA results are the Oscars? Surely they must be good predictors?

    My tip (based on little knowledge!) Is Straigh Outta Compton for best Original Screenplay.

    Its 50/1 but the only nominated film with a heavy African-American presence. My guess is that the race row may get it some votes. Worth a pound anyway!

  • I'm afraid SeanT is right: you invariably embarrass yourself whenever you post on this subject.

    I laughed out loud at that one.

    It's the new PB meme. Anyone who doesn't buy into the hysteria of the Leave side 'embarrasses himself'.
    REMAIN are a greater threat to the future of this country than ISIS.
  • There seems to be an opinion on here that if David Cameron only narrowly wins the referendum or even loses it his career will be terminated by the angry right of the party. As I understand about 100 Tory MP's will campaign for out leaving 230 supporting David Cameron. That is 2 to 1 in his favour and while some on the right might fume he will continue in his role until 2019 and no doubt undertake a substantial reshuffle bringing in the likes of Fox and Pritel, moving Hunt and even Osborne and building a party that will dominate politics for a decade.

    You are looking at probably 120+ for Leave and another 50 or so aggrieved with Cameron & Osborne. Enough to have him removed.
    Firstly how many of those 50 are already Leavers? You can't double count them.

    Secondly not every Leave backer will be wanting him out as soon as the referendum is over. Many will back Leave but happily draw a line and move on afterwards.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2016
    Cameron is a lucky politician, he'll probably win his referendum by a narrow margin. And it doesn't get much luckier than having Jeremy Corbyn opposing you across the despatch box.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,375
    ISIS, Assad, Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, FSA/"moderate" rebels, Kurdish peshmerga all control some territory in NE Syria.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Programming note -

    The Walking Dead returned this evening, as did the live call in show afterwards, Talking Dead. It's the best episode I've seen. Big budget episode with great effects.

    Better Call Saul returns tomorrow, and they now have a live Talking Saul show after that too.

    Fear the Walking Dead returns in either March or April for series two.

    I assume you'll get them in the UK at pretty much the same time.
  • Elizabeth Warren puts the GOP in its place:

    The sudden death of Justice Scalia creates an immediate vacancy on the most important court in the United States.

    Senator McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes.

    Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says the President of the United States nominates justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. I can't find a clause that says "...except when there's a year left in the term of a Democratic President."

    Senate Republicans took an oath just like Senate Democrats did. Abandoning the duties they swore to uphold would threaten both the Constitution and our democracy itself. It would also prove that all the Republican talk about loving the Constitution is just that — empty talk.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-scalia-supreme-court-seat_us_56c0a82be4b0c3c55051c5e1?cps=gravity_5059_7045344350249396103
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......
  • Off Topic

    ***** Betting Post *****

    There's currently an unusually large discrepancy in the betting market for next month's Oscar award for "Best Picture"
    Whereas both Bet365 and SkyBet make The Revenant the odds-on favourite at odds of 5/6, those nice people at Stan James are happy to offer the same bet at 6/4.
    Put another way, the profit on offer should this bet deliver varies from between 83% and 150% of one's stake. One or other of these prices appears to be wrong and I'm hoping it's the more generous of the two, having personally staked a modest tenner to win £15.

    DYOR

    How close to the BAFTA results are the Oscars? Surely they must be good predictors?

    My tip (based on little knowledge!) Is Straigh Outta Compton for best Original Screenplay.

    Its 50/1 but the only nominated film with a heavy African-American presence. My guess is that the race row may get it some votes. Worth a pound anyway!

    538 has the BAFTAs as the last major predictor in its Oscars model, which presumably will be updated tomorrow.
    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/fivethirtyeights-guide-to-predicting-the-oscars/

    Note the Best Supporting categories where both BAFTA winners are available at odds against for the Oscars, though remember to save your bus fare home as Oscar favourite Stallone was not nominated.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited February 2016

    On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    Was there a left wing Labour government in the 1970s? Wouldn't these same voters have lived through the Heath government with its bust and boom and blackouts? And if you want a more topical reference, would they not remember which party took us into the EU?

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation, though Corbynites might wonder why, if polls are reliable, EICInotPM.
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    blackouts?
    Was Heath responsible for those or 'Left Wing Labour' ?

    I know, I know, it was on his watch, but 'Militant Unionism' is all part of the package - 'Left Wing Labour' extends beyond the Westminster Government....its a broad (and possibly not entirely fair) brush....
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
  • AndyJS said:

    Interesting book written by Eliza Filby, published about a year ago:

    "God and Mrs Thatcher: The Battle for Britain's Soul"
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Mrs-Thatcher-Battle-Britains/dp/1849547858

    Thanks, it looks interesting and I may add it to the pile. Mrs Thatcher famously pointed out the Good Samaritan could help because he had money but she was said to be later disappointed and even surprised that the newly enriched did not, for the most part, live up to his example.
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
    I don't know. Perhaps these voters remember the splits in Labour in the early 80s and are worried by echoes of them now. I am sceptical because, if the poll findings were the opposite and pensioners were against the Conservatives, we could just as blithely point to their living through great increases in unemployment or negative equity. Not to mention that age group includes several different generations and by the time of the next election will have recruited another.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    (Just to show how much I knew (or, to be more precise, how little I knew)), I had always assumed that members of the Supreme Court were appointed for life, and didn't retire - precisely in order to avoid the possibility of allowing them to time their retirements for party political advantage in terms of nominating their replacements. I was therefore surprised to discover that the death of Justice Scalia was only the 2nd such since 1953.
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
    Perhaps these voters remember the splits in Labour in the early 80s
    Than the '3 day week' 'State of Emergency' and 'Power Cuts'?

    Going back to Maslow's hierarchy, I would suggest going without power is more memorable than divisions in a political party three decades ago.....
  • On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
    Perhaps these voters remember the splits in Labour in the early 80s
    Than the '3 day week' 'State of Emergency' and 'Power Cuts'?

    Going back to Maslow's hierarchy, I would suggest going without power is more memorable than divisions in a political party three decades ago.....
    All the things you mention took place under a Conservative government.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
    Perhaps these voters remember the splits in Labour in the early 80s
    Than the '3 day week' 'State of Emergency' and 'Power Cuts'?

    Going back to Maslow's hierarchy, I would suggest going without power is more memorable than divisions in a political party three decades ago.....
    All the things you mention took place under a Conservative government.
    Do you think the voters blames Heath, or the militant unions ?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited February 2016
    ugh.. duplicate

    I am WAY out on a remote island at the moment, using mobile phone internet connection, and Vanilla is being really pants. Duplicate postings, "connection reset", "no response, getting flipped between the vanilla forums and the PB page without asking, and lots of general weirdness, very strange.
  • Indigo said:

    On topic, the 'over 65s' were voting adults in the seventies and had the full experience of what 'Left Wing Labour' can do to the economy - why is anyone remotely surprised?

    Sadly it looks like in 10 years or so we're going to have to re-learn this lesson......

    If the poll findings are correct, perhaps we should look for a more sophisticated explanation.
    What do you suggest?
    Perhaps these voters remember the splits in Labour in the early 80s
    Than the '3 day week' 'State of Emergency' and 'Power Cuts'?

    Going back to Maslow's hierarchy, I would suggest going without power is more memorable than divisions in a political party three decades ago.....
    All the things you mention took place under a Conservative government.
    Do you think the voters blames Heath, or the militant unions ?
    That was surely decided in 1974, when Heath called an election asking who governs Britain. Either way, it seems a stretch to relate these events to Corbyn's low polling.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,784
    edited February 2016

    Off Topic

    ***** Betting Post *****

    There's currently an unusually large discrepancy in the betting market for next month's Oscar award for "Best Picture"
    Whereas both Bet365 and SkyBet make The Revenant the odds-on favourite at odds of 5/6, those nice people at Stan James are happy to offer the same bet at 6/4.
    Put another way, the profit on offer should this bet deliver varies from between 83% and 150% of one's stake. One or other of these prices appears to be wrong and I'm hoping it's the more generous of the two, having personally staked a modest tenner to win £15.

    DYOR

    How close to the BAFTA results are the Oscars? Surely they must be good predictors?

    My tip (based on little knowledge!) Is Straigh Outta Compton for best Original Screenplay.

    Its 50/1 but the only nominated film with a heavy African-American presence. My guess is that the race row may get it some votes. Worth a pound anyway!

    It has to beat both Spotlight and Inside Out, both of which are W-A-Y better films, race row or not.

    I'm thinking Spotlight.

    Pleased to see that The Big Short won the BAFTA for Best Adapted Screenplay.

    EDIT: Oh and this year, I can see there being a lot of overlap between BAFTA and Oscar. Top 4 acting, Best Film, Director...would be surprised if they aren't all the same.
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