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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,603
    Jacob Rees-Mogg in a spot of bother:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10230962/Jacob-Rees-Moggs-shock-at-dinner-with-group-that-want-to-repatriate-black-Britons.html
    "Jacob Rees-Mogg's shock at dinner with group that want to repatriate black Britons

    Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links. "
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    RobD said:

    Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?

    Excellent idea.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Waveney is interesting. It's a target area where Labour have underperformed in 2011 and 2013.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    Labour seat. Death

    The professional journalist shines through. Admirably concise, Mr. Smithson!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,603
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!

    Is that a quote from the League of Gentlemen?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    FPT
    MikeSmithson said:

    The PB Moderator is a team of four whose main aim is to keep me out of the courts.

    The great tetrarchy of P.B. Moderator revealed! They seem do be doing a successful job.. unless OGH is posting from his prison cell.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I do endeavour to Tweet results.

    What I'll do is copy the Tweets and put them on here when we have them - but that could be tomorrow morning
    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?

    Excellent idea.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Andy_JS said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!

    Is that a quote from the League of Gentlemen?
    UKIP election pamphlet.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Telegraph is having fun - Met Fraud to investigate BBC payoffs - and 38 charity bosses on over £100k.....

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/365576498784116736/photo/1
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @Andy_JS

    It's Sunil's favourite quote.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    @Andy_JS

    A new reselection confirmed
    http://www.mansfield103.co.uk/news/story/?n=3819&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

    Some were waiting for his retirement in 2010 to be parachuted in. The parachutes in waiting have now found other safe berths. So Mansifled may not be needed...or it is kept until last minute

    Tessa says to local paper she hasn't decided yet on her future.....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    MikeSmithson said:

    I do endeavour to Tweet results.

    What I'll do is copy the Tweets and put them on here when we have them - but that could be tomorrow morning

    That sounds like a better idea.. that way the preview and results are kept together (for posterity of course).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!

    Is that a quote from the League of Gentlemen?
    UKIP election pamphlet.
    Is that a reference to that TV show which my inner Mary Whitehouse wants to call purile or the epically good film with Jack Hawkins?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3TQC3YCBC4
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    Jacob Rees Mogg in a spot of bother

    LOL! what a silly billy! The Tories can ill afford to lose him. They're running short of comedians
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited August 2013
    FPT
    Fenster said:

    @Avery

    The question all the mother's ask after seeing this site is "how is this allowed to happen?". I guess that's a really pertinent question and I would hazard a guess that the people who run Ask Fm haven't got a scooby about 90% of what's happenin on their forums. And probably don't care either: out of sight, out of mind.

    But how can you ban this stuff anyway? Isn't Ask Fm based in Latvia. What jurisdiction would be have? And anyway, ban this site and another will emerge. It's unwinnable.

    btw - Bebo is nothing like Ask Fm. Bebo was a MySpace/Facebook social site. Totally harmless.

    Latvia, as an EU country, would be co-operative if it were determined that the site needed to be closed down. This was shown by their Justice Minister giving a supportive interview to Sky News today.

    Also the fact that the company has a visitable address and displays its logo prominently indicates they, at least, think they are operating above-board.

    Latvia is a hotbed of the Russian mafia and there will be many worse examples of internet practice going on behind the scenes.

    Your guess that the "the people who run Ask Fm haven't got a scooby about 90% of what's happening on their forums" is probably right.

    A hard self-appraisal of their business model and practices is needed with fast changes implemented if they are to survive.

    I am not convinced that a site providing a forum for teenagers to exchange information and discussion they wouldn't want their parents to see is, ipso facto, a bad thing. But if it is allowed to exist it clearly needs far better controls and safety practices than appear to be in place at ask.fm.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    I had a request to all London members to rush down to Merton to help there - eyeing the size of the majority, I'm glad I didn't drop anything really urgent to do it. The Waveney one looks a bit shaky though, depending on what sort of independent that was.

    JJ last thread - yeah, I wasn't much bothered about my parents knowing what I was doing, since they weren't pushy about stopping me looking at stuff (we were in Denmark at the time, so plenty of porn around - quickly got bored with it as it wasn't excitingly forbidden). It was a reasonable deal instead of the balance of ineffective suspicion that seems the British norm. Similarly, my then politics were unhesitatingly indulged - my Tory mum would cheerfully pick up the equivalent of the Morning Star for me and chuckle at the shocked newsagents, and my Toryish dad would ask me with apparent interest about their view on this and that. I thought it was a nice family and I looked after them without hesitation as long as they lived into my 30s and 40s, but Brits generally think it was well weird.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    MikeSmithson said:

    I do endeavour to Tweet results.

    What I'll do is copy the Tweets and put them on here when we have them - but that could be tomorrow morning


    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?

    Excellent idea.

    I've resisted Twitter so far as yet another time-sink. That resolve is crumbling...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Roger said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg in a spot of bother

    LOL! what a silly billy! The Tories can ill afford to lose him. They're running short of comedians

    So are labour ,what a joke opposition.

    Labour in Retreat on Zero-Hours

    http://order-order.com/2013/08/08/labour-in-retreat-on-zero-hours/
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Anorak said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    I do endeavour to Tweet results.

    What I'll do is copy the Tweets and put them on here when we have them - but that could be tomorrow morning


    Anorak said:

    RobD said:

    Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?

    Excellent idea.

    I've resisted Twitter so far as yet another time-sink. That resolve is crumbling...
    It's very funny at times - a great place for pithy debate and generally picking up stuff you'd never trip across. Been there for several years and it just gets better. Just watching conversations between sorts we'd never elsewhere is fascinating as are the spats
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Grandiose said:

    @Andy_JS

    It's Sunil's favourite quote.

    My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Without twitter, we won't have local by-election results until tomorrow...if it's a Welsh council, until Monday!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!

    I've devised a new moniker - the SpUd.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    The Mail is continuing to pursue foreign aid:

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/365580282658701312/photo/1
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    @Andy_JS

    It's Sunil's favourite quote.

    My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
    Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    NickPalmer said:

    I had a request to all London members to rush down to Merton to help there - eyeing the size of the majority, I'm glad I didn't drop anything really urgent to do it. The Waveney one looks a bit shaky though, depending on what sort of independent that was.

    JJ last thread - yeah, I wasn't much bothered about my parents knowing what I was doing, since they weren't pushy about stopping me looking at stuff (we were in Denmark at the time, so plenty of porn around - quickly got bored with it as it wasn't excitingly forbidden). It was a reasonable deal instead of the balance of ineffective suspicion that seems the British norm. Similarly, my then politics were unhesitatingly indulged - my Tory mum would cheerfully pick up the equivalent of the Morning Star for me and chuckle at the shocked newsagents, and my Toryish dad would ask me with apparent interest about their view on this and that. I thought it was a nice family and I looked after them without hesitation as long as they lived into my 30s and 40s, but Brits generally think it was well weird.

    I actually drove through Colliers Wood about an hour back. Didn't stop though.

    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.

    However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Roger said:

    Jacob Rees Mogg in a spot of bother

    LOL! what a silly billy! The Tories can ill afford to lose him. They're running short of comedians

    You can't get rid of Jacob, Roger.

    He was born to the job.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Steve McCabe @steve_mccabe

    All that time to research which Lab MPs are Trade Unionists& no time to research the Traditional Britain Group& Tory MPs. Oh dear Mr Cameron

    He as a good point ;-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    This is a local election for local people! There's nothing for you here!

    It's a play on this sketch:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    edited August 2013
    @plato

    Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Other son James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    There quite a lot of chat about Mr Galloway running for MoL - is this true or just gossip?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    @Andy_JS

    It's Sunil's favourite quote.

    My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
    Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
    Thank you, Sunil.

    Now copied and preserved.

    I always imagine you to be wearing a white laboratory coat when I read it.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Sun is in NOTW form

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Apparently he talked about the prospect in this interview
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgX_JnDEjw

    towards the end...from 11:40
    Plato said:

    There quite a lot of chat about Mr Galloway running for MoL - is this true or just gossip?

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Roger said:

    @plato

    Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Brother James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business

    There was a Dearden who wrote very well for Moscow Times in the nineties. Isn't there also a rugby connection?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    AveryLP said:

    FPT

    Latvia, as an EU country,

    British troops were stationed in Latvia during the earlier stages of the Russian Civil War, 1918-19.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Roger said:

    @plato

    Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Other son James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business

    But Roger ultimately they have to prove themselves. Otherwise, the company will go under or under-perform.

    You can appoint pen-pushers through nepotism or someone in a very large organisation or department where basically others cover their incompetence.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For a taste of Ask.fm - my Twitter mate has set up a profile

    http://ask.fm/Skip_Licker Blimey!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    AveryLP said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    AveryLP said:

    Grandiose said:

    @Andy_JS

    It's Sunil's favourite quote.

    My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
    Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
    Thank you, Sunil.

    Now copied and preserved.

    I always imagine you to be wearing a white laboratory coat when I read it.

    You're welcome, Avery. But I wasn't the originator. It was actually someone on the ancient Usenet group UK.politics.misc.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited August 2013
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!

    It's summer. No one will notice except anoraks.

    People will remember the A&E chaos.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,456
    Its tagged under 'Football Rat Exclusive" :)
    Plato said:

    The Sun is in NOTW form

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited August 2013
    Labour councils use staff with zero hours contracts

    Labour has come under fire after it was revealed that thousands of Londoners are working zero hours contracts for councils controlled by the party.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/labour-councils-use-staff-with-zero-hours-contracts
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    According to 2011 census, White British % in Mitcham and Morden is under 40%.
    surbiton said:

    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.

    London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).

    When you think South Shields CLP was at 0.2%
    surbiton said:

    THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,782
    Avery. The only one I know well is Torquil and if there is a rugby connection it's certainly not as a player! James could well have written for The Moscow Times. He is a very good writer with several very worthwhile film credits to his name.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,218
    Ed needs his own Lynton figure - someone to scrape off the barnacles. Ed is getting into too many distracting issues that compromise the strength of his message. For example, Ed has just gotten into a huge moral row over workplace exploitation with his own councils! This is regrettable and unnecessary. There are several Labour posters on this site, such as tim, who have an almost supernatural ability to foresee political disasters before they occur. tim should be advising Ed - not the current fool- and allowing Ed to focus on matters of substance, such as Labour's plans to solve our economic woes.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    surbiton said:



    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.

    However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

    Yes, M&M are frighteningly good - I went down a few years back for a by-election against a strong Green challenge. It looked hopeless - zillions of Green posters in the posher area, just the old Labour one here and there. But we were crisply marshalled into efficient little squads, fanned out across the ward, and won with a decent margin. London Labour is a whole dimension better than anything else I've seen, even if they didn't quite get Boris out.

    Broxtowe voter ID is OKish (though I won't be specific here) - slightly better than the average for marginals. Needs work, though, and is about to get it.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    According to 2011 census, White British % in Mitcham and Morden is under 40%.

    surbiton said:

    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.

    London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).

    When you think South Shields CLP was at 0.2%
    surbiton said:

    THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

    Thanks, Andrea. You are a fountain of knowledge. I guess WB% in K&S will be about 60% ?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    fitalass said:

    Its tagged under 'Football Rat Exclusive" :)

    Plato said:

    The Sun is in NOTW form

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large

    Is there another sort? And I hear Mr Cipriani cheated on Kelly Brook - golly - isn't she the modern day version of Jacqueline Smith ie perfect beauty?

    Guess the grass is always greener even if Helen of Troy lives with you.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    @Subirton

    AndyJS checked the White British % in all London constituencies when census findings were released. Yes, K&S was at around 64% IIRC (and I checked it 5 minutes ago when I posted the M&M figure, so, I should recall it quite well!)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    According to 2011 census, White British % in Mitcham and Morden is under 40%.

    surbiton said:

    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.

    London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).

    When you think South Shields CLP was at 0.2%
    surbiton said:

    THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

    Shhhhh !!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    @surbiton

    Mitcham & Morden 39.3% White British in 2011
    Kingston & Surbiton 64.4% White British in 2011
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    Plato said:



    Is there another sort? And I hear Mr Cipriani cheated on Kelly Brook - golly - isn't she the modern day version of Jacqueline Smith ie perfect beauty?

    Guess the grass is always greener even if Helen of Troy lives with you.

    Well, quite. Chief whips are always perfectly beautiful.

  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Well, what would I know?

    So I went and had a look:

    http://ask.fm/

    Just click on a few of the 'See who's here' thumbnails [almost all teenage girls, or at least the pics are of teenage girls]. I don't claim to understand much of it, but the 'banter' doesn't exactly look wholesome, to put it mildly.

    I'm sure most of it is fairly harmless and just silly, but it doesn't take much of a leap of imagination to realise that, as Fenster's alarming post on the last thread indicates, there's likely to be some seriously damaging stuff on there, for an insecure youngster.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    NickPalmer said:

    surbiton said:



    Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.

    However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

    Yes, M&M are frighteningly good - I went down a few years back for a by-election against a strong Green challenge. It looked hopeless - zillions of Green posters in the posher area, just the old Labour one here and there. But we were crisply marshalled into efficient little squads, fanned out across the ward, and won with a decent margin. London Labour is a whole dimension better than anything else I've seen, even if they didn't quite get Boris out.

    Broxtowe voter ID is OKish (though I won't be specific here) - slightly better than the average for marginals. Needs work, though, and is about to get it.
    One of the Islington seats and one of the Oxford seats went against the trend due to this sort of organisation. One of your Midlands neighbour also did very well I seem to recall.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,456
    Your right. She is a stunning beautiful lassie, and one he seemed to like being photographed with on his arm.
    Plato said:

    fitalass said:

    Its tagged under 'Football Rat Exclusive" :)

    Plato said:

    The Sun is in NOTW form

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large

    Is there another sort? And I hear Mr Cipriani cheated on Kelly Brook - golly - isn't she the modern day version of Jacqueline Smith ie perfect beauty?

    Guess the grass is always greener even if Helen of Troy lives with you.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited August 2013
    Just put up nice pic from Coiliers Wood count
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    fitalass said:

    Your right. She is a stunning beautiful lassie, and one he seemed to like being photographed with on his arm.

    Plato said:

    fitalass said:

    Its tagged under 'Football Rat Exclusive" :)

    Plato said:

    The Sun is in NOTW form

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large

    Is there another sort? And I hear Mr Cipriani cheated on Kelly Brook - golly - isn't she the modern day version of Jacqueline Smith ie perfect beauty?

    Guess the grass is always greener even if Helen of Troy lives with you.
    And Ask.fm offers to name the bullies - good. Their conduct was deliberate, cruel and nasty.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLVcWUCYAAwbG-.jpg:large
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    @surbiton

    Mitcham & Morden 39.3% White British in 2011
    Kingston & Surbiton 64.4% White British in 2011

    Thanks, Sunil. That answers the election results discrepency. But Labour should win in certain wards here. Like SW England, Labour had opted out of SW London too having got in accidentally in the 1997 landslide. Now we are building up a decent organisation. The irony could be that some seats might be handed over to the Tories in the transition.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.

    However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't want to sully themselves with it any further), then it will fade away.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Plato said:

    For a taste of Ask.fm - my Twitter mate has set up a profile

    http://ask.fm/Skip_Licker Blimey!

    It is mild compared to Guido's blog.

    I particularly liked this Q&A:

    Was Hitler Right?

    More Left. It's a socialist thing.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    RichardNabavi said:

    Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.

    However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't), then it will fade away.

    Websites don't have to sell ad space themselves, they just join ad networks (Google Adsense being the biggie) and ad's follow the subject of the page, or the known interests of the viewer.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Roger said:

    Avery. The only one I know well is Torquil and if there is a rugby connection it's certainly not as a player! James could well have written for The Moscow Times. He is a very good writer with several very worthwhile film credits to his name.

    I've done a quick google without a definitive result.

    There is a "Nick Dearden" who comes up in connection with MT but not as a journalist or obvious byline.

    The Nick bits sounds familiar but I'm not certain it is right.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    anotherDave said:

    RichardNabavi said:

    Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.

    However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't), then it will fade away.

    Websites don't have to sell ad space themselves, they just join ad networks (Google Adsense being the biggie) and ad's follow the subject of the page, or the known interests of the viewer.

    OK, so it just requires Google to decide that this is not wholesome stuff, and the whole business model collapses.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    For a taste of Ask.fm - my Twitter mate has set up a profile

    http://ask.fm/Skip_Licker Blimey!

    It is mild compared to Guido's blog.

    I particularly liked this Q&A:

    Was Hitler Right?

    More Left. It's a socialist thing.
    If you frequent Twitter - her account is really very amusing and controversial. As I've said before here, I have no problem with trannies and several good friends who'd die before letting their own mates know.

    They're in jobs where their colleagues would disown them in an instant. And most earn £100k plus.
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    Having briefly seen ask.fm, it seems to be a place where you troll and get trolled.

    Going there and complaining about bullying, would be like going to a paint ball game and complaining about being shot.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,456
    Daily Mail - Now Ask.fm faces advertising backlash as Specsavers, BT, Vodafone and Laura Ashley withdraw from website after hanging death of Hannah, 14
    RichardNabavi said:

    Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.

    However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't want to sully themselves with it any further), then it will fade away.

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Pic from Swindon count

    https://twitter.com/SwindonElection/status/365590913407401984/photo/1

    Verification stage just completed.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited August 2013
    Next said:

    Having briefly seen ask.fm, it seems to be a place where you troll and get trolled.

    Going there and complaining about bullying, would be like going to a paint ball game and complaining about being shot.

    Correct, but it's easy to see that a naive and insecure 13 year old might get seriously disturbed by it.

    For that matter, even in the exceptionally civilised and well-moderated pages of PB.com we've seen the occasional adult who has shown signs of emotional stress when exchanges get heated.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Next said:

    Having briefly seen ask.fm, it seems to be a place where you troll and get trolled.

    Going there and complaining about bullying, would be like going to a paint ball game and complaining about being shot.

    Quite. But teens are drawn to this sort of thing like moths to a candle. Like frat houses and hazing.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    As I sign off

    Historical Pictures @HistoricalPics
    A 19-year-old Bill Clinton shaking hands with President Kennedy in Washington, 1963. pic.twitter.com/NdlLdYfnbZ

    http://t.co/NdlLdYfnbZ

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The Waveney result could be interesting.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    This BBC investigation is a hoot. I might have to vote for Rob Wilson after all. :-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10232189/Met-Police-investigate-BBC-pay-offs-scandal.html
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Re the Oulton seat , the larger Oulton CC division was won by UKIP in May .
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 666
    For that matter, even in the exceptionally civilised and well-moderated pages of PB.com
    Your cheque is in the post Richard :)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Has Michael Green replied to Lord Ashcroft's request to find out the number of Tory Party members.

    The delay could be because:

    - there are so many that it is taking ages for the "coffee mornings" to count them.

    - there is no organisation to do the count

    What's the secret ?
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    PBModerator said:


    Your cheque is in the post Richard :)

    I realised after I wrote that that I was in grave danger of being banned for commenting on moderation policy!
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    surbiton said:

    Has Michael Green replied to Lord Ashcroft's request to find out the number of Tory Party members.

    The delay could be because:

    - there are so many that it is taking ages for the "coffee mornings" to count them.

    - there is no organisation to do the count

    What's the secret ?

    What's the advantage in releasing the data?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Oulton
    Lab 449 Con 329 UKIP 269 Green and LD ??

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    LD candidate predicting a Con increased majority in Swindon
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    NannyCam to the rescue!
    Nathan McGrath ‏@NathanMcGrathSF 1h

    Cameron urges parents to 'boycott vile internet sites' http://www.itn.co.uk/uk/82443/CAM_BULLY … via @NewsRepublic

    Wise indeed since the incompetent fop knows almost as much about the internet as he did about pasties.
    Top Marks IT ‏@TopMarksIT

    Someone who knows how the Internet works: Wikipedia founder brands @David_Cameron porn filters plan 'ridiculous' >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23558865 …
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,603
    edited August 2013
    Is it possible to apply to be a PB moderator? Not that I particularly want the job, just interested to know.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Oulton
    Lab 449 Con 329 UKIP 269 Green and LD ??

    So Labour's majority goes up from 28 to 120 in a real election.

    Ed must go !!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,603
    Alan Meale and David Tredinnick are both supporting this Early Day Motion on homeopathy:

    http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/323
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,456
    Telegraph - Give David Cameron his due for unleashing Tory animal spirits
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    While waiting for more results....councillors basic allowances

    Redcar 9,549.96
    Merton £8,694
    Swindon £7,710
    Waveney £3,535
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    We are looking for others to join team.

    One of our long-standing members who's been doin it for 4 years is having a well-earned break from September.

    Drop me an email
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to apply to be a PB moderator? Not that I particularly want the job, just interested to know.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RichardNabavi said:

    surbiton said:

    Has Michael Green replied to Lord Ashcroft's request to find out the number of Tory Party members.

    The delay could be because:

    - there are so many that it is taking ages for the "coffee mornings" to count them.

    - there is no organisation to do the count

    What's the secret ?

    What's the advantage in releasing the data?
    What is there to hide ?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Turnout in Swindon: 30.17%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,603
    Mitcham & Morden by-election, 1982:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY&amp
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Swindon

    Con 1376 Lab 887 UKIP 426 LD 83
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    No Yougov tonight ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Swindon

    Con 1376 Lab 887 UKIP 426 LD 83

    Bad result for Labour !
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    surbiton said:

    What is there to hide ?

    Obviously you don't want to let your opponents know your areas of strength and weakness.

    I have no knowledge myself, except that I happen to know the figure for one very marginal constituency where the party has been seriously weak in recent years but which has had a significant revival in membership numbers since 2010. I've no idea whether this is a one-off or not, but, either way, you wouldn't expect me to tell you which constituency it is, would you?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    29.96% turnout in Merton
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RichardNabavi said:

    surbiton said:

    What is there to hide ?

    Obviously you don't want to let your opponents know your areas of strength and weakness.

    I have no knowledge myself, except that I happen to know the figure for one very marginal constituency where the party has been seriously weak in recent years but which has had a significant revival in membership numbers since 2010. I've no idea whether this is a one-off or not, but, either way, you wouldn't expect me to tell you which constituency it is, would you?
    In Sussex ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:

    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Swindon

    Con 1376 Lab 887 UKIP 426 LD 83

    Bad result for Labour !
    So too was Oulton.

    If you looked at it closely.

    Ed's best ignoring it all and staying ex communicado on holiday.

    "Crisis? What crisis?"

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,942
    FPT
    Fenster said:

    @Plato and Josias Jessop

    Ask Fm (I dont know if any of you have accessed it) is nasty, horrible and seriously dangerous.

    I didn't even know what it was till a few months back, but then my sis in law starting haviing BIG problems with her teenage daughter: truancy, withdrawn behaviour and 'cutting'; a teenage craze (esp among girls) whereby they slice their arms and legs to the point where they often need hospitalisation. We were all going WTF? Just couldn't understand it. Then her school directed the family to Ask FM and we were all shocked.

    Basically it is a website used by teenagers who specialise in synthetic loneliness and narcicissm and claims that they hate their life so much they want to die. Then all the anonymous posters write vitriolic things like "well f*cking die then bitch" or "no-one would give a f*ck if you die anyway, ugly c*nt" and others give tips on the best way to top yourself.

    My niece is 13!

    I considered myself pretty streetwise till I saw this. It was absolutely bananas. Scarier was the fact that the teenagers encouraged eachother to give their respsective 'child psychologists' the run-around. To tell them that they had suffered poor parenting, or lack of love as a child when there is ZERO wrong with them. It is all synthetic. Sadly, as this week has shown, the trolls and expert narcissistic-teens on there every now and again attract someone who really is bullied, and really is suicidal, and the end result is tragedy.

    My niece has been stopped going there by her Mam. Had her phone taken off her. But she was on there last night (my wife saw it) and people were encouraging her to cut her throat. How she accessed it is beyond us. Teenagers are so far ahead of the game it is scary. And even more scary is these are hitherto, well-brought-up, normal kids.

    There's a bad world out there on the web. Seriously bad.



    Thanks for sharing your story Fenster. I ad no idea Ask.fm was this bad. Sounds scary.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Swindon

    Con 1376 Lab 887 UKIP 426 LD 83

    Bad result for Labour !
    So too was Oulton.

    If you looked at it closely.

    Ed's best ignoring it all and staying ex communicado on holiday.

    "Crisis? What crisis?"

    In Oulton Labour's share of the votes went up from just under 30% to around 40%. If that is bad, I will take it.
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