"Jacob Rees-Mogg's shock at dinner with group that want to repatriate black Britons
Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP, has said he feels “very silly” for speaking at a black tie dinner hosted by a man who advocates the repatriation of "non-indigenous" Britons, despite being warned of the group’s far-Right links. "
Some were waiting for his retirement in 2010 to be parachuted in. The parachutes in waiting have now found other safe berths. So Mansifled may not be needed...or it is kept until last minute
Tessa says to local paper she hasn't decided yet on her future.....
The question all the mother's ask after seeing this site is "how is this allowed to happen?". I guess that's a really pertinent question and I would hazard a guess that the people who run Ask Fm haven't got a scooby about 90% of what's happenin on their forums. And probably don't care either: out of sight, out of mind.
But how can you ban this stuff anyway? Isn't Ask Fm based in Latvia. What jurisdiction would be have? And anyway, ban this site and another will emerge. It's unwinnable.
btw - Bebo is nothing like Ask Fm. Bebo was a MySpace/Facebook social site. Totally harmless.
Latvia, as an EU country, would be co-operative if it were determined that the site needed to be closed down. This was shown by their Justice Minister giving a supportive interview to Sky News today.
Also the fact that the company has a visitable address and displays its logo prominently indicates they, at least, think they are operating above-board.
Latvia is a hotbed of the Russian mafia and there will be many worse examples of internet practice going on behind the scenes.
Your guess that the "the people who run Ask Fm haven't got a scooby about 90% of what's happening on their forums" is probably right.
A hard self-appraisal of their business model and practices is needed with fast changes implemented if they are to survive.
I am not convinced that a site providing a forum for teenagers to exchange information and discussion they wouldn't want their parents to see is, ipso facto, a bad thing. But if it is allowed to exist it clearly needs far better controls and safety practices than appear to be in place at ask.fm.
I had a request to all London members to rush down to Merton to help there - eyeing the size of the majority, I'm glad I didn't drop anything really urgent to do it. The Waveney one looks a bit shaky though, depending on what sort of independent that was.
JJ last thread - yeah, I wasn't much bothered about my parents knowing what I was doing, since they weren't pushy about stopping me looking at stuff (we were in Denmark at the time, so plenty of porn around - quickly got bored with it as it wasn't excitingly forbidden). It was a reasonable deal instead of the balance of ineffective suspicion that seems the British norm. Similarly, my then politics were unhesitatingly indulged - my Tory mum would cheerfully pick up the equivalent of the Morning Star for me and chuckle at the shocked newsagents, and my Toryish dad would ask me with apparent interest about their view on this and that. I thought it was a nice family and I looked after them without hesitation as long as they lived into my 30s and 40s, but Brits generally think it was well weird.
Quick request -- would it be possible to have a summary of the results of the Thursday by-elections attached to the bottom of Fridays first thread?
Excellent idea.
I've resisted Twitter so far as yet another time-sink. That resolve is crumbling...
It's very funny at times - a great place for pithy debate and generally picking up stuff you'd never trip across. Been there for several years and it just gets better. Just watching conversations between sorts we'd never elsewhere is fascinating as are the spats
My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!
Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!
My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
I had a request to all London members to rush down to Merton to help there - eyeing the size of the majority, I'm glad I didn't drop anything really urgent to do it. The Waveney one looks a bit shaky though, depending on what sort of independent that was.
JJ last thread - yeah, I wasn't much bothered about my parents knowing what I was doing, since they weren't pushy about stopping me looking at stuff (we were in Denmark at the time, so plenty of porn around - quickly got bored with it as it wasn't excitingly forbidden). It was a reasonable deal instead of the balance of ineffective suspicion that seems the British norm. Similarly, my then politics were unhesitatingly indulged - my Tory mum would cheerfully pick up the equivalent of the Morning Star for me and chuckle at the shocked newsagents, and my Toryish dad would ask me with apparent interest about their view on this and that. I thought it was a nice family and I looked after them without hesitation as long as they lived into my 30s and 40s, but Brits generally think it was well weird.
I actually drove through Colliers Wood about an hour back. Didn't stop though.
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.
However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Other son James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business
My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
Thank you, Sunil.
Now copied and preserved.
I always imagine you to be wearing a white laboratory coat when I read it.
Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Brother James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business
There was a Dearden who wrote very well for Moscow Times in the nineties. Isn't there also a rugby connection?
Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Other son James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business
But Roger ultimately they have to prove themselves. Otherwise, the company will go under or under-perform.
You can appoint pen-pushers through nepotism or someone in a very large organisation or department where basically others cover their incompetence.
My favourite Sunil quote is "the subject responded to the stimulus as expected" (which is wrong I think - the real version is better, just can't recall it at present).
Note: The subject Avery reponds to the stimulus as predicted.
Thank you, Sunil.
Now copied and preserved.
I always imagine you to be wearing a white laboratory coat when I read it.
You're welcome, Avery. But I wasn't the originator. It was actually someone on the ancient Usenet group UK.politics.misc.
Well, I for one am angry and upset at the mess Ed's advisers have got him into over zero-hours contracts. Why would anyone want to vote for a Labour council when Labour's own leader has accused them of evil and exploitative practices? I don't know who this adviser was but he could have lost Labour votes. This adviser should be working zero hours for Ed - literally!
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.
London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).
THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Avery. The only one I know well is Torquil and if there is a rugby connection it's certainly not as a player! James could well have written for The Moscow Times. He is a very good writer with several very worthwhile film credits to his name.
Ed needs his own Lynton figure - someone to scrape off the barnacles. Ed is getting into too many distracting issues that compromise the strength of his message. For example, Ed has just gotten into a huge moral row over workplace exploitation with his own councils! This is regrettable and unnecessary. There are several Labour posters on this site, such as tim, who have an almost supernatural ability to foresee political disasters before they occur. tim should be advising Ed - not the current fool- and allowing Ed to focus on matters of substance, such as Labour's plans to solve our economic woes.
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.
However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Yes, M&M are frighteningly good - I went down a few years back for a by-election against a strong Green challenge. It looked hopeless - zillions of Green posters in the posher area, just the old Labour one here and there. But we were crisply marshalled into efficient little squads, fanned out across the ward, and won with a decent margin. London Labour is a whole dimension better than anything else I've seen, even if they didn't quite get Boris out.
Broxtowe voter ID is OKish (though I won't be specific here) - slightly better than the average for marginals. Needs work, though, and is about to get it.
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.
London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).
THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Thanks, Andrea. You are a fountain of knowledge. I guess WB% in K&S will be about 60% ?
AndyJS checked the White British % in all London constituencies when census findings were released. Yes, K&S was at around 64% IIRC (and I checked it 5 minutes ago when I posted the M&M figure, so, I should recall it quite well!)
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different.
London CLPs are thought to be quite active in terms of voter ID. Apparently in Lab held London seats all bar 2 CLPs are over 30% of contact rate (the bottom 2 are over 20%).
THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Just click on a few of the 'See who's here' thumbnails [almost all teenage girls, or at least the pics are of teenage girls]. I don't claim to understand much of it, but the 'banter' doesn't exactly look wholesome, to put it mildly.
I'm sure most of it is fairly harmless and just silly, but it doesn't take much of a leap of imagination to realise that, as Fenster's alarming post on the last thread indicates, there's likely to be some seriously damaging stuff on there, for an insecure youngster.
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.
However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
Yes, M&M are frighteningly good - I went down a few years back for a by-election against a strong Green challenge. It looked hopeless - zillions of Green posters in the posher area, just the old Labour one here and there. But we were crisply marshalled into efficient little squads, fanned out across the ward, and won with a decent margin. London Labour is a whole dimension better than anything else I've seen, even if they didn't quite get Boris out.
Broxtowe voter ID is OKish (though I won't be specific here) - slightly better than the average for marginals. Needs work, though, and is about to get it.
One of the Islington seats and one of the Oxford seats went against the trend due to this sort of organisation. One of your Midlands neighbour also did very well I seem to recall.
Mitcham & Morden 39.3% White British in 2011 Kingston & Surbiton 64.4% White British in 2011
Thanks, Sunil. That answers the election results discrepency. But Labour should win in certain wards here. Like SW England, Labour had opted out of SW London too having got in accidentally in the 1997 landslide. Now we are building up a decent organisation. The irony could be that some seats might be handed over to the Tories in the transition.
Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.
However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't want to sully themselves with it any further), then it will fade away.
Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.
However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't), then it will fade away.
Websites don't have to sell ad space themselves, they just join ad networks (Google Adsense being the biggie) and ad's follow the subject of the page, or the known interests of the viewer.
Avery. The only one I know well is Torquil and if there is a rugby connection it's certainly not as a player! James could well have written for The Moscow Times. He is a very good writer with several very worthwhile film credits to his name.
I've done a quick google without a definitive result.
There is a "Nick Dearden" who comes up in connection with MT but not as a journalist or obvious byline.
The Nick bits sounds familiar but I'm not certain it is right.
Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.
However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't), then it will fade away.
Websites don't have to sell ad space themselves, they just join ad networks (Google Adsense being the biggie) and ad's follow the subject of the page, or the known interests of the viewer.
OK, so it just requires Google to decide that this is not wholesome stuff, and the whole business model collapses.
If you frequent Twitter - her account is really very amusing and controversial. As I've said before here, I have no problem with trannies and several good friends who'd die before letting their own mates know.
They're in jobs where their colleagues would disown them in an instant. And most earn £100k plus.
Further thoughts on Ask.fm: the answer seems to be very simple, and maybe we are groping towards it. Obviously you can't ban this sort of stuff: it's just a message board, after all.
However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't want to sully themselves with it any further), then it will fade away.
Having briefly seen ask.fm, it seems to be a place where you troll and get trolled.
Going there and complaining about bullying, would be like going to a paint ball game and complaining about being shot.
Correct, but it's easy to see that a naive and insecure 13 year old might get seriously disturbed by it.
For that matter, even in the exceptionally civilised and well-moderated pages of PB.com we've seen the occasional adult who has shown signs of emotional stress when exchanges get heated.
Obviously you don't want to let your opponents know your areas of strength and weakness.
I have no knowledge myself, except that I happen to know the figure for one very marginal constituency where the party has been seriously weak in recent years but which has had a significant revival in membership numbers since 2010. I've no idea whether this is a one-off or not, but, either way, you wouldn't expect me to tell you which constituency it is, would you?
Obviously you don't want to let your opponents know your areas of strength and weakness.
I have no knowledge myself, except that I happen to know the figure for one very marginal constituency where the party has been seriously weak in recent years but which has had a significant revival in membership numbers since 2010. I've no idea whether this is a one-off or not, but, either way, you wouldn't expect me to tell you which constituency it is, would you?
Ask Fm (I dont know if any of you have accessed it) is nasty, horrible and seriously dangerous.
I didn't even know what it was till a few months back, but then my sis in law starting haviing BIG problems with her teenage daughter: truancy, withdrawn behaviour and 'cutting'; a teenage craze (esp among girls) whereby they slice their arms and legs to the point where they often need hospitalisation. We were all going WTF? Just couldn't understand it. Then her school directed the family to Ask FM and we were all shocked.
Basically it is a website used by teenagers who specialise in synthetic loneliness and narcicissm and claims that they hate their life so much they want to die. Then all the anonymous posters write vitriolic things like "well f*cking die then bitch" or "no-one would give a f*ck if you die anyway, ugly c*nt" and others give tips on the best way to top yourself.
My niece is 13!
I considered myself pretty streetwise till I saw this. It was absolutely bananas. Scarier was the fact that the teenagers encouraged eachother to give their respsective 'child psychologists' the run-around. To tell them that they had suffered poor parenting, or lack of love as a child when there is ZERO wrong with them. It is all synthetic. Sadly, as this week has shown, the trolls and expert narcissistic-teens on there every now and again attract someone who really is bullied, and really is suicidal, and the end result is tragedy.
My niece has been stopped going there by her Mam. Had her phone taken off her. But she was on there last night (my wife saw it) and people were encouraging her to cut her throat. How she accessed it is beyond us. Teenagers are so far ahead of the game it is scary. And even more scary is these are hitherto, well-brought-up, normal kids.
There's a bad world out there on the web. Seriously bad.
Thanks for sharing your story Fenster. I ad no idea Ask.fm was this bad. Sounds scary.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10230962/Jacob-Rees-Moggs-shock-at-dinner-with-group-that-want-to-repatriate-black-Britons.html
The professional journalist shines through. Admirably concise, Mr. Smithson!
What I'll do is copy the Tweets and put them on here when we have them - but that could be tomorrow morning
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/365576498784116736/photo/1
A new reselection confirmed
http://www.mansfield103.co.uk/news/story/?n=3819&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Some were waiting for his retirement in 2010 to be parachuted in. The parachutes in waiting have now found other safe berths. So Mansifled may not be needed...or it is kept until last minute
Tessa says to local paper she hasn't decided yet on her future.....
It's Sunil's favourite quote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3TQC3YCBC4
LOL! what a silly billy! The Tories can ill afford to lose him. They're running short of comedians
Also the fact that the company has a visitable address and displays its logo prominently indicates they, at least, think they are operating above-board.
Latvia is a hotbed of the Russian mafia and there will be many worse examples of internet practice going on behind the scenes.
Your guess that the "the people who run Ask Fm haven't got a scooby about 90% of what's happening on their forums" is probably right.
A hard self-appraisal of their business model and practices is needed with fast changes implemented if they are to survive.
I am not convinced that a site providing a forum for teenagers to exchange information and discussion they wouldn't want their parents to see is, ipso facto, a bad thing. But if it is allowed to exist it clearly needs far better controls and safety practices than appear to be in place at ask.fm.
JJ last thread - yeah, I wasn't much bothered about my parents knowing what I was doing, since they weren't pushy about stopping me looking at stuff (we were in Denmark at the time, so plenty of porn around - quickly got bored with it as it wasn't excitingly forbidden). It was a reasonable deal instead of the balance of ineffective suspicion that seems the British norm. Similarly, my then politics were unhesitatingly indulged - my Tory mum would cheerfully pick up the equivalent of the Morning Star for me and chuckle at the shocked newsagents, and my Toryish dad would ask me with apparent interest about their view on this and that. I thought it was a nice family and I looked after them without hesitation as long as they lived into my 30s and 40s, but Brits generally think it was well weird.
Labour in Retreat on Zero-Hours
http://order-order.com/2013/08/08/labour-in-retreat-on-zero-hours/
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/365580282658701312/photo/1
Interesting. Mitcham and Morden vs Kingston & Surbiton. I wonder what is the difference in the demography ? Yet, election results are very different. M&M are a very efficient organisation. Just attended one D Miliband hustings meeting there. Getting invitations to Tandoori restaurants for another fund raising meet ever since.
However, got to give them the credit. THey keep their database up-to-date. Quite a few constituencies are doing good work. How well is Broxtowe doing with Voter ID ? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.
He was born to the job.
All that time to research which Lab MPs are Trade Unionists& no time to research the Traditional Britain Group& Tory MPs. Oh dear Mr Cameron
He as a good point ;-)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j
Interesting fact. Basil Dearden's son Torquil works for VTR as a video editor and does my online work for me and his Other son James wrote Fatal Attraction and has directed several films including Rogue Trader. Talking of the Rees Moggs If you think nepotism is alive and well in politics you should try the film business
Now copied and preserved.
I always imagine you to be wearing a white laboratory coat when I read it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLPXznCQAI1DfE.jpg:large
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPgX_JnDEjw
towards the end...from 11:40
You can appoint pen-pushers through nepotism or someone in a very large organisation or department where basically others cover their incompetence.
http://ask.fm/Skip_Licker Blimey!
People will remember the A&E chaos.
Labour has come under fire after it was revealed that thousands of Londoners are working zero hours contracts for councils controlled by the party.
http://www.channel4.com/news/labour-councils-use-staff-with-zero-hours-contracts
When you think South Shields CLP was at 0.2%
Broxtowe voter ID is OKish (though I won't be specific here) - slightly better than the average for marginals. Needs work, though, and is about to get it.
Guess the grass is always greener even if Helen of Troy lives with you.
AndyJS checked the White British % in all London constituencies when census findings were released. Yes, K&S was at around 64% IIRC (and I checked it 5 minutes ago when I posted the M&M figure, so, I should recall it quite well!)
Mitcham & Morden 39.3% White British in 2011
Kingston & Surbiton 64.4% White British in 2011
So I went and had a look:
http://ask.fm/
Just click on a few of the 'See who's here' thumbnails [almost all teenage girls, or at least the pics are of teenage girls]. I don't claim to understand much of it, but the 'banter' doesn't exactly look wholesome, to put it mildly.
I'm sure most of it is fairly harmless and just silly, but it doesn't take much of a leap of imagination to realise that, as Fenster's alarming post on the last thread indicates, there's likely to be some seriously damaging stuff on there, for an insecure youngster.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRLVcWUCYAAwbG-.jpg:large
However, the key is surely advertisers. If respectable companies decide they don't want to be associated with it (and it seems quite a few have belatedly had a look today at where they've been advertising, and decided that they don't want to sully themselves with it any further), then it will fade away.
I particularly liked this Q&A:
Was Hitler Right?
More Left. It's a socialist thing.
There is a "Nick Dearden" who comes up in connection with MT but not as a journalist or obvious byline.
The Nick bits sounds familiar but I'm not certain it is right.
They're in jobs where their colleagues would disown them in an instant. And most earn £100k plus.
Going there and complaining about bullying, would be like going to a paint ball game and complaining about being shot.
https://twitter.com/SwindonElection/status/365590913407401984/photo/1
Verification stage just completed.
For that matter, even in the exceptionally civilised and well-moderated pages of PB.com we've seen the occasional adult who has shown signs of emotional stress when exchanges get heated.
Historical Pictures @HistoricalPics
A 19-year-old Bill Clinton shaking hands with President Kennedy in Washington, 1963. pic.twitter.com/NdlLdYfnbZ
http://t.co/NdlLdYfnbZ
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10232189/Met-Police-investigate-BBC-pay-offs-scandal.html
The delay could be because:
- there are so many that it is taking ages for the "coffee mornings" to count them.
- there is no organisation to do the count
What's the secret ?
Lab 449 Con 329 UKIP 269 Green and LD ??
Wise indeed since the incompetent fop knows almost as much about the internet as he did about pasties.
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/323
Ed must go !!
Redcar 9,549.96
Merton £8,694
Swindon £7,710
Waveney £3,535
One of our long-standing members who's been doin it for 4 years is having a well-earned break from September.
Drop me an email
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpt2ywiTzY&
Con 1376 Lab 887 UKIP 426 LD 83
I have no knowledge myself, except that I happen to know the figure for one very marginal constituency where the party has been seriously weak in recent years but which has had a significant revival in membership numbers since 2010. I've no idea whether this is a one-off or not, but, either way, you wouldn't expect me to tell you which constituency it is, would you?
If you looked at it closely.
Ed's best ignoring it all and staying ex communicado on holiday.
"Crisis? What crisis?"