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With only 11 days to go before the Iowa caucuses the former Governor of Alaska and 2008 VP candidate, Sarah Palin, flew into the state last night and endorsed Donald Trump for the Presidency.

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    First!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    FPT:
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    More coverage of the SNP's Middle Class Perks:

    The richest Scottish students are 3.53 times more likely to enter university via UCAS than the poorest one, compared with 2.58 in Northern Ireland, 2.56 in Wales and 2.52 in England. For a poor young person wishing to go to university, Scotland is easily the worst country in the UK to grow up.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2016/01/what-snp-doesnt-understand-about-tuition-fees

    The conclusion might be true but does not really follow from that ratio.
    From the article:

    North of the Tweed, the poorer your family is the more debt you graduate with. Scottish students from families earning £16,999 or less will graduate with £5,000 more debt than those from families earning over £34,000, as research from Lucy Hunter Blackburn shows. And students who are assessed as mature and independent of their families (who are disproportionately from poorer backgrounds) get lumbered with £8,000 more in debt than students from the wealthiest families.

    So in summary:

    - Poor Scots are the least likely to go to University compared to their rich peers of any country in the UK and

    - Those that do end up with greater debts the poorer they are.

    Maintaining free university tuition while cutting student grants has amounted to a £20m transfer to middle-class students at the expense of less advantaged ones......In 2013/14 alone, spending on grants for low-income students was cut by 40 per cent.

    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Another classic from the NY Daily News:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIfyOPUkAA9BGD.jpg
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    CarlottaVance said:

    Another classic from the NY Daily News:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIfyOPUkAA9BGD.jpg

    Thanks for that. I've Tweeted it and put it into the header.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    CarlottaVance said:

    FPT:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    More coverage of the SNP's Middle Class Perks:

    The richest Scottish students are 3.53 times more likely to enter university via UCAS than the poorest one, compared with 2.58 in Northern Ireland, 2.56 in Wales and 2.52 in England. For a poor young person wishing to go to university, Scotland is easily the worst country in the UK to grow up.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2016/01/what-snp-doesnt-understand-about-tuition-fees

    The conclusion might be true but does not really follow from that ratio.
    From the article:

    North of the Tweed, the poorer your family is the more debt you graduate with. Scottish students from families earning £16,999 or less will graduate with £5,000 more debt than those from families earning over £34,000, as research from Lucy Hunter Blackburn shows. And students who are assessed as mature and independent of their families (who are disproportionately from poorer backgrounds) get lumbered with £8,000 more in debt than students from the wealthiest families.

    So in summary:

    - Poor Scots are the least likely to go to University compared to their rich peers of any country in the UK and

    - Those that do end up with greater debts the poorer they are.

    Maintaining free university tuition while cutting student grants has amounted to a £20m transfer to middle-class students at the expense of less advantaged ones......In 2013/14 alone, spending on grants for low-income students was cut by 40 per cent.

    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?
    The debt issue is important. The ratio of rich to poor which you originally quoted is interesting but on its own does not tell us whether it is due to more well-off students or fewer poorer ones (or both).
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    FPT:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    More coverage of the SNP's Middle Class Perks:

    The richest Scottish students are 3.53 times more likely to enter university via UCAS than the poorest one, compared with 2.58 in Northern Ireland, 2.56 in Wales and 2.52 in England. For a poor young person wishing to go to university, Scotland is easily the worst country in the UK to grow up.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2016/01/what-snp-doesnt-understand-about-tuition-fees

    The conclusion might be true but does not really follow from that ratio.
    From the article:

    North of the Tweed, the poorer your family is the more debt you graduate with. Scottish students from families earning £16,999 or less will graduate with £5,000 more debt than those from families earning over £34,000, as research from Lucy Hunter Blackburn shows. And students who are assessed as mature and independent of their families (who are disproportionately from poorer backgrounds) get lumbered with £8,000 more in debt than students from the wealthiest families.

    So in summary:

    - Poor Scots are the least likely to go to University compared to their rich peers of any country in the UK and

    - Those that do end up with greater debts the poorer they are.

    Maintaining free university tuition while cutting student grants has amounted to a £20m transfer to middle-class students at the expense of less advantaged ones......In 2013/14 alone, spending on grants for low-income students was cut by 40 per cent.

    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?
    The debt issue is important. The ratio of rich to poor which you originally quoted is interesting but on its own does not tell us whether it is due to more well-off students or fewer poorer ones (or both).
    "Scotland still has the edge on the proportion of students emerging debt free, with around 30% of students taking out no loan, compared to more like 10% in the rest of the UK. However, as discussed in the evidence linked in the previous paragraph, where these are low income Scottish students, they are only able to achieve this by managing on very low levels of grant. In practice, the SAAS statistics suggest that 70% of Scots leaving with no debt are from higher income homes."

    we also don't know (from the article at least) about drop out rates, about exactly how poor the poorest students are (measuring a ratio of richest vs poorest is just pish).
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    CarlottaVance said:

    FPT:


    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?

    they would have been cheered to the rooftops by the telegraph et al.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,982
    FPT:

    I heard a (for me) new Churchill quote the other day about De Gaulle. It was something like: "His problem is he thinks he's Joan of Arc. My problem is that my bishop's won't let me burn him."
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    FPT:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    More coverage of the SNP's Middle Class Perks:

    The richest Scottish students are 3.53 times more likely to enter university via UCAS than the poorest one, compared with 2.58 in Northern Ireland, 2.56 in Wales and 2.52 in England. For a poor young person wishing to go to university, Scotland is easily the worst country in the UK to grow up.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2016/01/what-snp-doesnt-understand-about-tuition-fees

    The conclusion might be true but does not really follow from that ratio.
    From the article:

    North of the Tweed, the poorer your family is the more debt you graduate with. Scottish students from families earning £16,999 or less will graduate with £5,000 more debt than those from families earning over £34,000, as research from Lucy Hunter Blackburn shows. And students who are assessed as mature and independent of their families (who are disproportionately from poorer backgrounds) get lumbered with £8,000 more in debt than students from the wealthiest families.

    So in summary:

    - Poor Scots are the least likely to go to University compared to their rich peers of any country in the UK and

    - Those that do end up with greater debts the poorer they are.

    Maintaining free university tuition while cutting student grants has amounted to a £20m transfer to middle-class students at the expense of less advantaged ones......In 2013/14 alone, spending on grants for low-income students was cut by 40 per cent.

    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?
    The debt issue is important. The ratio of rich to poor which you originally quoted is interesting but on its own does not tell us whether it is due to more well-off students or fewer poorer ones (or both).
    Its the simplest way to compare between countries:

    Yes, the ratio of poor kids at uni is rising in Scotland – but shamefully, it’s half the level of England. Worse, the gap is growing....
    In fact, every part of the UK is increasing the number of poor students entering university – but everywhere, this happens at a faster rate than Scotland under the SNP

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/has-snp-found-a-verbal-formula-to-dodge-its-failure-of-poor-students/
  • RaRaRasputinRaRaRasputin Posts: 48
    edited January 2016
    CarlottaVance said:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    FPT:

    DecrepitJohnL said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    More coverage of the SNP's Middle Class Perks:

    The richest Scottish students are 3.53 times more likely to enter university via UCAS than the poorest one, compared with 2.58 in Northern Ireland, 2.56 in Wales and 2.52 in England. For a poor young person wishing to go to university, Scotland is easily the worst country in the UK to grow up.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2016/01/what-snp-doesnt-understand-about-tuition-fees

    The conclusion might be true but does not really follow from that ratio.
    From the article:

    North of the Tweed, the poorer your family is the more debt you graduate with. Scottish students from families earning £16,999 or less will graduate with £5,000 more debt than those from families earning over £34,000, as research from Lucy Hunter Blackburn shows. And students who are assessed as mature and independent of their families (who are disproportionately from poorer backgrounds) get lumbered with £8,000 more in debt than students from the wealthiest families.

    So in summary:

    - Poor Scots are the least likely to go to University compared to their rich peers of any country in the UK and

    - Those that do end up with greater debts the poorer they are.

    Maintaining free university tuition while cutting student grants has amounted to a £20m transfer to middle-class students at the expense of less advantaged ones......In 2013/14 alone, spending on grants for low-income students was cut by 40 per cent.

    Imagine the fuss if the Tories had done this?
    The debt issue is important. The ratio of rich to poor which you originally quoted is interesting but on its own does not tell us whether it is due to more well-off students or fewer poorer ones (or both).
    Its the simplest way to compare between countries:

    Yes, the ratio of poor kids at uni is rising in Scotland – but shamefully, it’s half the level of England. Worse, the gap is growing....
    In fact, every part of the UK is increasing the number of poor students entering university – but everywhere, this happens at a faster rate than Scotland under the SNP

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/has-snp-found-a-verbal-formula-to-dodge-its-failure-of-poor-students/
    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    ----

    On topic, Palin's endorsement will be useful to Trump as the Iowa and New Hampshire evangelicals love her. Would be a massive strategic blunder for Trump to pick her as his RM, mind, for she basically caters to the same anti-establishment, motormouth demographic as he does.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    RaRaRasputin said:



    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    Its all a big coincidence?

    Scotland’s poorest university students are falling into record amounts of debt after their grant support fell to its lowest level in a decade....

    Despite repeated pledges to boost help for poor students, ministers in Edinburgh also spent the lowest amount in more than a decade on funding the living costs of less well-off students, after the eligibility criteria were tightened.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/debt-burden-scotlands-poorest-university-students-record-high
  • RaRaRasputinRaRaRasputin Posts: 48
    CarlottaVance said:

    RaRaRasputin said:



    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    Its all a big coincidence?

    Scotland’s poorest university students are falling into record amounts of debt after their grant support fell to its lowest level in a decade....

    Despite repeated pledges to boost help for poor students, ministers in Edinburgh also spent the lowest amount in more than a decade on funding the living costs of less well-off students, after the eligibility criteria were tightened.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/debt-burden-scotlands-poorest-university-students-record-high
    I was referring to the debate around the number of economically disadvantaged youngsters who attend university. And Scottish students are surely leaving with less debt than their English counterparts, no?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited January 2016
    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    Palin brings back some very happy memories for me. On one of my few forrays into betting was on her. Still remember seeing that chartered plane heading from Alaska to the RNC location. May have just been a coincidence, but it was sure exciting.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    Well there’s nothing you or I can do to influence the outcome, so we may as well enjoy it.

    Trump can’t be any worse that that drip, Obama.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    RaRaRasputin said:

    On topic, Palin's endorsement will be useful to Trump as the Iowa and New Hampshire evangelicals love her. Would be a massive strategic blunder for Trump to pick her as his RM, mind, for she basically caters to the same anti-establishment, motormouth demographic as he does.

    The question is whether Palin can deliver Tea Party voters, who might otherwise vote for Ted Cruz.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,982
    SimonStClare said:

    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    Well there’s nothing you or I can do to influence the outcome, so we may as well enjoy it.
    (snip)
    We could encourage readers to write letters to Americans encouraging them to vote for another candidate. That works really well. ;)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1474828/Guardian-calls-it-quits-in-Clark-County-fiasco.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3981823.stm
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JosiasJessop said:

    FPT:

    I heard a (for me) new Churchill quote the other day about De Gaulle. It was something like: "His problem is he thinks he's Joan of Arc. My problem is that my bishop's won't let me burn him."

    One of my favourite stories was Churchill discussing his funeral arrangements. The train he was told would pull slowly out of Paddington and you will proceed to your country home for burial. All the top ranking ministers , military and public will be there to see you off.

    "Even General DeGaulle?" Churchill responded gruffly.....
    "Indeed Mr Churchill" was the response.
    "Well then I shall set off from Waterloo not Paddington" he said with a wry smile

    Which is why an Oxfordshire bound train actually left Waterloo... Not Paddington as it should have done.

    As an aside the train left From the platform they called the "laughing / crying platform" as it was the one that people boarded from to and from the boat trains when they existed.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    JosiasJessop said:

    SimonStClare said:

    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    Well there’s nothing you or I can do to influence the outcome, so we may as well enjoy it.
    (snip)
    We could encourage readers to write letters to Americans encouraging them to vote for another candidate. That works really well. ;)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1474828/Guardian-calls-it-quits-in-Clark-County-fiasco.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3981823.stm
    Have our MPs and their debate done that already?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,086
    SimonStClare said:

    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    Well there’s nothing you or I can do to influence the outcome, so we may as well enjoy it.

    Trump can’t be any worse that that drip, Obama.
    Oh yes he can.
    The Daily News got it right this time.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,351
    Even in America I find it astonishing that anyone cares about what Palin thinks. She seriously damaged the McCain ticket, she wasn't a player last time out at all, she never finished her time as governor, she seems to have fallen out with Fox, her family is a continuing source of embarrassment, I mean, other than name awareness what has she got to offer?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,982
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    SimonStClare said:

    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    Well there’s nothing you or I can do to influence the outcome, so we may as well enjoy it.
    (snip)
    We could encourage readers to write letters to Americans encouraging them to vote for another candidate. That works really well. ;)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1474828/Guardian-calls-it-quits-in-Clark-County-fiasco.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3981823.stm
    Have our MPs and their debate done that already?
    In a way, yes. Sadly.

    Although that does not take away from the Guardian's hilarious ineptitude.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    Morning. Catching up on the last couple of days' news as work intervened.

    I can see:

    1. Labour lost the last election, not because their policies were wrong, but because of evil media and unfair attacks from their opponents. The lesson to learn is that there's no lesson to learn and all will be hunky dory next time with the master Corbyn in charge. Yeah, right.

    2. Pollsters screwed up because they found too many Lab voters and not enough Con voters. They continue to do this after the election as they really don't understand that certain groups of people just don't want to talk to pollsters any more.

    3. The Pontiff follows the religion of Rome

    4. Ursine mammals have been knows to defecate in arborous areas.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Morning all.

    Sarah Palin endorses Trump? – Splendid, and the GOP presidential campaign looks even more like an amusing episode of Soap than it did yesterday. #hurrah

    Morning. It may seem amusing from a European perspective, but there's no doubt Trump has a significant chance of winning the presidential election in November even if it's well below 50% at present.
    If he does I think we should invite him to address both Houses of Parliament.

    Popcorn sales would explode.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,351
    Brilliant Matt: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

    Well, it can't be less accurate can it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    edited January 2016
    On topic. It's slowly dawning on people that Trump could actually win this. The GOP Establishment must be working out how to broker the convention to stop his nomination.

    Can Palin really get involved again, it seems she's done almost nothing for the past 8 years since her last attempt at becoming veep? I guess Tina Fey will be happy though!
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Sandpit said:

    On topic. It's slowly dawning on people that Trump could actually win this. The GOP Establishment must be working out how to broker the convention to stop his nomination.

    Can Palin really get involved again, it seems she's done almost nothing for the past 8 years since her last attempt at becoming veep? I guess Tina Fey will be happy though!

    It has all the hallmarks of Corbyn, no one thought Corbyn could win, but he did.. Trump is in the same vein .
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Trump/Palin. A dream ticket for many. Trump continues to make the weather.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,351
    Sandpit said:

    On topic. It's slowly dawning on people that Trump could actually win this. The GOP Establishment must be working out how to broker the convention to stop his nomination.

    Can Palin really get involved again, it seems she's done almost nothing for the past 8 years since her last attempt at becoming veep? I guess Tina Fey will be happy though!

    Palin is a joke but there is no doubt that the media savvy which made Trump such a success as a "reality" star on TV is being reflected in his campaign. Yet another media cycle that he completely dominates. His rivals are struggling to be heard.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    I see that the EU is proposing tearing up rules as soon as they become inconvenient for some. And yet when we want some changes nothing can be done.

    Hmm.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    edited January 2016
    Trump should be at least evens if not odds-on on Betfair now.

    Edit: for the Republican nomination

    I wonder how long it will take the markets to catch up?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    DavidL said:

    Even in America I find it astonishing that anyone cares about what Palin thinks. She seriously damaged the McCain ticket, she wasn't a player last time out at all, she never finished her time as governor, she seems to have fallen out with Fox, her family is a continuing source of embarrassment, I mean, other than name awareness what has she got to offer?

    That's my view too. I think this marks Peak Trump, and I shall be selling him...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    Casino_Royale said:

    Trump should be at least evens if not odds-on on Betfair now.

    Edit: for the Republican nomination

    I wonder how long it will take the markets to catch up?

    Rubio and Bush's price are both still too short. I mean Bush has gone sub 9-1 ?! And Rubio sub 5-2.

    Trump (Still - although less so than he was !); Cruz are both good value.

    Kasich I am very happy to have as my biggest win right now too, he should probably be around 40-1 or so (He has timed his NH surge well)

    Heck maybe even Carson should perhaps be only 200-1 or so ;)

    Fiorina, Paul have 0 chance so far as I can tell.

    Chris Christie looks about right.



  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Even in America I find it astonishing that anyone cares about what Palin thinks. She seriously damaged the McCain ticket, she wasn't a player last time out at all, she never finished her time as governor, she seems to have fallen out with Fox, her family is a continuing source of embarrassment, I mean, other than name awareness what has she got to offer?

    That's my view too. I think this marks Peak Trump, and I shall be selling him...
    We've been hearing that Trump has peaked for months now, it's become a joke comment.
    Palin called Trump supporters " Trumpeters " , which is rather good and new to me.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Surely there must be some quote on camera, somewhere, of Trump dissing Palin?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BuzzFeedNews: So, Uh, Here’s The Full Text Of Sarah Palin’s Bizarre Trump Speech https://t.co/kFlF1Yjlrv https://t.co/iwZFgpY5Wl
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,705
    Well I guess this means more work for Tina Fey and Lisa Ann
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,705
    edited January 2016
    Heart says to lay Trump some more.

    Head says 'Don't be so flippin' stupid'
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    listen to GW bush
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    edited January 2016
    rcs1000 said:



    That's my view too. I think this marks Peak Trump, and I shall be selling him...

    Everyone who has laid Trump seems to have done it too soon. At least you're doing it whilst he's cheap !
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Even in America I find it astonishing that anyone cares about what Palin thinks. She seriously damaged the McCain ticket, she wasn't a player last time out at all, she never finished her time as governor, she seems to have fallen out with Fox, her family is a continuing source of embarrassment, I mean, other than name awareness what has she got to offer?

    That's my view too. I think this marks Peak Trump, and I shall be selling him...
    We've been hearing that Trump has peaked for months now, it's become a joke comment.
    Palin called Trump supporters " Trumpeters " , which is rather good and new to me.
    Not from me, you haven't.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Heart says to lay Trump some more.

    Head says 'Don't be so flippin' stupid'

    Take the Glencore approach.

    When in a hole, keep digging.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    The big concern about the whole thing shouldn't be that Trump might win the nomination. This has only become a concern because the Democrats are in danger of putting up an extremely flawed candidate and voter repellent, who won't even have been properly tested in a Primary campaign. It's the same back of the mind fear that we should have here about Corbyn. He shouldn't have any chance of winning a General Election, but i'll bet most people would be a lot more comfortable if we didn't know that we depend on the Conservative Party acting sensibly post-Cameron to ensure it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    The best bit of Sarah Palin's endorsement of Trump:

    http://digg.com/video/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-speech
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Trump Palin?

    Is it possible to emigrate to a safe solar system?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    Trump vs Bernie vs possibly Bloomberg would be amazing.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12109345/EU-deals-fresh-migrant-blow-to-David-Camerons-renegotiation.html

    No wonder Dave's in a spin, before long we won't be able to deport failed asylum seekers, in other words once you're in you're in, the reasons why we might choose not to accommodate them are neither here nor there.

    More good news for Leave.

    Elsewhere major Labour donor Mills launches Labour Leave today, claiming that several Shadow Cabinet Ministers want to join him but Corbyn won't let them. Interesting times ahead.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,705
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Heart says to lay Trump some more.

    Head says 'Don't be so flippin' stupid'

    Take the Glencore approach.

    When in a hole, keep digging.
    I've hired an entire squadron of JCBs for this.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    rcs1000 said:

    The best bit of Sarah Palin's endorsement of Trump:

    http://digg.com/video/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-speech

    Translation please? Did she say terraced?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,705
    edited January 2016
    I'm going to email Sir Simon Burns and offer to go campaign for Hillary.

    With my record, Hillary can already plan her second term.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanAustinMP: Labour's long-awaited inquiry into election: blame the media, blame the polls, blame the voters, blame the Tories. Everyone's fault but ours

    @PolhomeEditor: I hope for the sake of his blood pressure he wasn't listening to Margaret Beckett on Today. https://t.co/hlJkZWgxo2

    @HackneyAbbott: Great performance by Margaret Beckett on @BBCr4today #nothinglikeadame https://t.co/PL98U8fxMO
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,328
    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,200
    Palin has a network she built up in Iowa, potential donors and is popular with evangelicals, she is more likely to be Secretary of Energy though than Vice Presidential pick again
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    Christ on a bike.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrTCHarris: BREAKING: Beckett report concludes that, actually, Labour did win the 2015 election.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Ma Beckett was totally in denial there. What is she doing? A moron indeed.
    Scott_P said:

    @IanAustinMP: Labour's long-awaited inquiry into election: blame the media, blame the polls, blame the voters, blame the Tories. Everyone's fault but ours

    @PolhomeEditor: I hope for the sake of his blood pressure he wasn't listening to Margaret Beckett on Today. https://t.co/hlJkZWgxo2

    @HackneyAbbott: Great performance by Margaret Beckett on @BBCr4today #nothinglikeadame https://t.co/PL98U8fxMO

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    HYUFD said:

    Palin has a network she built up in Iowa, potential donors and is popular with evangelicals, she is more likely to be Secretary of Energy though than Vice Presidential pick again

    It would be wise for Trump NOT to nominate her as VP before super Tuesday at any rate methinks.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    HYUFD said:

    Palin has a network she built up in Iowa, potential donors and is popular with evangelicals, she is more likely to be Secretary of Energy though than Vice Presidential pick again

    Interesting: so you think it's about improving Trump's Iowa ground game. That's a plausible scenario.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RaRaRasputin said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    RaRaRasputin said:



    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    Its all a big coincidence?

    Scotland’s poorest university students are falling into record amounts of debt after their grant support fell to its lowest level in a decade....

    Despite repeated pledges to boost help for poor students, ministers in Edinburgh also spent the lowest amount in more than a decade on funding the living costs of less well-off students, after the eligibility criteria were tightened.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/debt-burden-scotlands-poorest-university-students-record-high
    I was referring to the debate around the number of economically disadvantaged youngsters who attend university. And Scottish students are surely leaving with less debt than their English counterparts, no?
    Correct, despite Scottish degrees being a year longer than England (4 years rather than 3) the average English debt is 10 grand higher than for Scottish students over the life of the degree.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Matt Chorley
    Margaret Beckett not always so careful to avoid causing offence. A joke she told when in charge of farming policy: https://t.co/4joDyi33NK
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,678
    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    One of those situations where everyone’s got some element of right on their side. And where everyone’s got something wrong.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,341
    rcs1000 said:

    The best bit of Sarah Palin's endorsement of Trump:

    http://digg.com/video/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-speech

    She's become a parody of herself. There is no work here for Tina Fey.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Even in America I find it astonishing that anyone cares about what Palin thinks. She seriously damaged the McCain ticket, she wasn't a player last time out at all, she never finished her time as governor, she seems to have fallen out with Fox, her family is a continuing source of embarrassment, I mean, other than name awareness what has she got to offer?

    As ever,Republican base primary voters are not general election voters. Palin gets the evangelicals.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Alistair said:

    RaRaRasputin said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    RaRaRasputin said:



    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    Its all a big coincidence?

    Scotland’s poorest university students are falling into record amounts of debt after their grant support fell to its lowest level in a decade....

    Despite repeated pledges to boost help for poor students, ministers in Edinburgh also spent the lowest amount in more than a decade on funding the living costs of less well-off students, after the eligibility criteria were tightened.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/debt-burden-scotlands-poorest-university-students-record-high
    I was referring to the debate around the number of economically disadvantaged youngsters who attend university. And Scottish students are surely leaving with less debt than their English counterparts, no?
    Correct, despite Scottish degrees being a year longer than England (4 years rather than 3) the average English debt is 10 grand higher than for Scottish students over the life of the degree.
    But is it not also possibly true that the repayment system (until the debt is paid off, which for many English students it will never be) is harsher in Scotland?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Mr_Eugenides: Beckett report basically urging Labour to keep calm and carry on. Excellent.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    edited January 2016
    Alistair said:

    RaRaRasputin said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    RaRaRasputin said:



    Establishing government policy as the causal factor for these discrepancies is very tricky indeed.

    Its all a big coincidence?

    Scotland’s poorest university students are falling into record amounts of debt after their grant support fell to its lowest level in a decade....

    Despite repeated pledges to boost help for poor students, ministers in Edinburgh also spent the lowest amount in more than a decade on funding the living costs of less well-off students, after the eligibility criteria were tightened.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/27/debt-burden-scotlands-poorest-university-students-record-high
    I was referring to the debate around the number of economically disadvantaged youngsters who attend university. And Scottish students are surely leaving with less debt than their English counterparts, no?
    Correct, despite Scottish degrees being a year longer than England (4 years rather than 3) the average English debt is 10 grand higher than for Scottish students over the life of the degree.
    I should have remembered to ask the current students as the NYE party I was at if they prefer the Scottish system or the English one.
    Still, it's all about what Carlotta thinks.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    If they hadn't followed up and there had been a subsequent attack I'm sure you would have been unstinting in your criticism of the government.

    I suspect the press if over-egging it: all the police would have done would have been popped over for a chat to the parents and figured out that it wasn't an issue.

    As for the teacher highlighting a potential concern for a child at risk, and the police linking up with social services...isn't that kind of exactly what we *want* our public services to do? Otherwise you can end up with Baby P type scenarios where no one talks to the other agencies
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    OldKingCole said:

    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    One of those situations where everyone’s got some element of right on their side. And where everyone’s got something wrong.
    There are very few genuinely evil people in this world. Most people are trying to do the best they can in difficult circumstances. And I think - like the story in the US of the boy with the home made clock - there is a desire to err on the side of caution. Even though that caution can look utterly ridiculous from the outside. If we ridicule people who report things that turn out to be nothing, we will end up discouraging people from reporting things that turn out to important.

    We also know little of the circumstances. Did the teacher have other reasons to suspect, or was this a one off? Etc etc.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    edited January 2016
    blackburn63 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.

    I know employers where being publicly gay would be a problem.

    And how would you think "gay friendliness" would manifest itself?

    The truth is that the security services want to know EVERYTHING about their employees. If you discourage reporting of who your partner is, then that's an employee who's lying to you. You do understand how corrosive that is, right?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,882
    Good morning, everyone.

    I wonder if that helps or hinders Trump.

    On Beckett's report: worth recalling she's one of the fools who nominated Corbyn despite not wanting him to be leader. That does not suggest sound political judgement.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,093
    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.

    I know employers where being publicly gay would be a problem.
    Who ?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    blackburn63 said:

    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    Christ on a bike.
    I think one must always bear in mind that the story may have been somewhat embellished. I think it is entirely reasonable that the incident should not have been completely ignored. The only question is to what extent the response is an over-reaction, and we only have one side as to what that response was. I doubt that the boy is quite as "traumatised" as the family make out. I think it unlikely that someone writes the word "terrorist" (spelt correctly, whether meaning something else or not) unless they know the word "terrorist". And if they know the word one would expect they know what it means.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    ThomasNashe said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The best bit of Sarah Palin's endorsement of Trump:

    http://digg.com/video/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-speech

    She's become a parody of herself. There is no work here for Tina Fey.
    The first time I watched that clip I was sure it was Tina.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Matt Smith
    Polling accuracy never that great, but no-one cared when it predicted winner #pollinginquiry https://t.co/iVfx7xYZm0 https://t.co/VxgI8beTab
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    rcs1000 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    One of those situations where everyone’s got some element of right on their side. And where everyone’s got something wrong.
    There are very few genuinely evil people in this world. Most people are trying to do the best they can in difficult circumstances. And I think - like the story in the US of the boy with the home made clock - there is a desire to err on the side of caution. Even though that caution can look utterly ridiculous from the outside. If we ridicule people who report things that turn out to be nothing, we will end up discouraging people from reporting things that turn out to important.

    We also know little of the circumstances. Did the teacher have other reasons to suspect, or was this a one off? Etc etc.
    You clearly misunderstand. The teacher was obviously a leftie, and lefties shouldn't be allowed to teach. Or breathe, come to that.

  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.

    I know employers where being publicly gay would be a problem.

    And how would you think "gay friendliness" would manifest itself?

    The truth is that the security services want to know EVERYTHING about their employees. If you discourage reporting of who your partner is, then that's an employee who's lying to you. You do understand how corrosive that is, right?
    Who are these employers that aren't "gay friendly"? Whatever that ridiculous phrase means.

    Are they also black friendly, ornithologist friendly and beekeeper friendly?

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    blackburn63 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.
    I imagine that within the context of the security services, they would like those who are gay to be openly so, rather than in the closet with close family. They want their staff to be honest and open, rather than hiding things and leaving themselves open to possible blackmail or coersion.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Oxford Union backs motion to remove Cecil Rhodes statue

    Students narrowly back Rhodes Must Fall campaign despite hearing that next step would be to tear down statues of Winston Churchill and anyone else with an unblemished historical record"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12109394/Oxford-Union-backs-motion-to-remove-Cecil-Rhodes-statue.html
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Charles said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    If they hadn't followed up and there had been a subsequent attack I'm sure you would have been unstinting in your criticism of the government.

    I suspect the press if over-egging it: all the police would have done would have been popped over for a chat to the parents and figured out that it wasn't an issue.

    As for the teacher highlighting a potential concern for a child at risk, and the police linking up with social services...isn't that kind of exactly what we *want* our public services to do? Otherwise you can end up with Baby P type scenarios where no one talks to the other agencies
    From a spelling mistake to comparisons with Baby P, welcome to the Nanny State. My god if only Orwell was here now.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,882
    Just on 'terrace' and 'terrorist': if someone has homophonic dyslexia that's an entirely understandable mistake because they sound similar (I've misspelt 'got' as 'caught' before now [and 'could' instead of 'cut' only yesterday], though whether that's due to sleepiness leading to mistakes or just a mild form of dyslexia, I don't know).

    Other forms also include conflating meaning, so someone could write 'chair' instead of 'table'. And there's one that confuses both meaning and sound, so 'table' could become 'chair' which then becomes 'fair'.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    I would have thought that was obvious.

    Historically, a very large number of traitors in our security services were blackmailed as a result of their homosexuality. By making it clear that being gay is not a problem, it dramatically lowers the risk that someone will be able to be blackmailed.
    I still don't know how making it clear being gay is not a problem is newsworthy. Blackmailing gays was decades ago, Stonewall do themselves no favours with this nonsense.

    People are people, being gay friendly is a nonsense, it implies going out of the way to accommodate a section of society which is ridiculous.

    I know employers where being publicly gay would be a problem.
    Who ?
    The Vatican?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    On topic: Not gonna happen. Trump is WAY smarter than his detractors give him credit for. He's played the process and the system pretty much perfectly to date and he knows where his voters are. Palin helps the nomination and secure some votes at the GE. But he will also know that to win the GE he needs the 'sensible' vote too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he nominated Rubio as his running mate or a similar 'don't scare the horses' player onto his ticket.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,328
    blackburn63 said:

    Charles said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    If they hadn't followed up and there had been a subsequent attack I'm sure you would have been unstinting in your criticism of the government.

    I suspect the press if over-egging it: all the police would have done would have been popped over for a chat to the parents and figured out that it wasn't an issue.

    As for the teacher highlighting a potential concern for a child at risk, and the police linking up with social services...isn't that kind of exactly what we *want* our public services to do? Otherwise you can end up with Baby P type scenarios where no one talks to the other agencies
    From a spelling mistake to comparisons with Baby P, welcome to the Nanny State. My god if only Orwell was here now.
    Investigating possible terrorist links (for that is how it was interpreted) is not a nanny state.

    Get off the outrage bus, it makes fools of almost everyone on it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    Jonathan said:

    Trump Palin?

    Is it possible to emigrate to a safe solar system?

    Nope.
    Trump & Palin think 'Starship Troopers' is a documentary (well, Palin does, the Donald is happy to disingenuously pretend it is).
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    blackburn63 said:

    Charles said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    If they hadn't followed up and there had been a subsequent attack I'm sure you would have been unstinting in your criticism of the government.

    I suspect the press if over-egging it: all the police would have done would have been popped over for a chat to the parents and figured out that it wasn't an issue.

    As for the teacher highlighting a potential concern for a child at risk, and the police linking up with social services...isn't that kind of exactly what we *want* our public services to do? Otherwise you can end up with Baby P type scenarios where no one talks to the other agencies
    From a spelling mistake to comparisons with Baby P, welcome to the Nanny State. My god if only Orwell was here now.
    I can see how its a problem for you. How you live a daily life with everything in your head having a negativity to it, it musty be quite a tough ask.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,678
    Innocent_Abroad said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    One of those situations where everyone’s got some element of right on their side. And where everyone’s got something wrong.
    There are very few genuinely evil people in this world. Most people are trying to do the best they can in difficult circumstances. And I think - like the story in the US of the boy with the home made clock - there is a desire to err on the side of caution. Even though that caution can look utterly ridiculous from the outside. If we ridicule people who report things that turn out to be nothing, we will end up discouraging people from reporting things that turn out to important.

    We also know little of the circumstances. Did the teacher have other reasons to suspect, or was this a one off? Etc etc.
    You clearly misunderstand. The teacher was obviously a leftie, and lefties shouldn't be allowed to teach. Or breathe, come to that.

    If you didn’t allow leftie teachers, from where would you get teachers? One of the things about a teacher is that they want to help people achieve their potential, not be satisfied with the position in life in which God has placed them,
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    That Palin speech was very strange. Incoherent would be too kind.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Patrick said:

    On topic: Not gonna happen. Trump is WAY smarter than his detractors give him credit for. He's played the process and the system pretty much perfectly to date and he knows where his voters are. Palin helps the nomination and secure some votes at the GE. But he will also know that to win the GE he needs the 'sensible' vote too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he nominated Rubio as his running mate or a similar 'don't scare the horses' player onto his ticket.

    Trump isn't particularly religious as far as I can tell, which puts him more in the centre than the right of American politics.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    rcs1000 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    Mortimer said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    Actually sounds eminently sensible to me. Teachers have a duty of care and are obliged to report it.

    As they should be.

    Imagine the outcry if it were true, and it had been ignored, and the family had departed to Syria the following week.

    I'm frustrated at the family asking for an apology.

    One of those situations where everyone’s got some element of right on their side. And where everyone’s got something wrong.
    There are very few genuinely evil people in this world. Most people are trying to do the best they can in difficult circumstances. And I think - like the story in the US of the boy with the home made clock - there is a desire to err on the side of caution. Even though that caution can look utterly ridiculous from the outside. If we ridicule people who report things that turn out to be nothing, we will end up discouraging people from reporting things that turn out to important.

    We also know little of the circumstances. Did the teacher have other reasons to suspect, or was this a one off? Etc etc.
    Yes perhaps the teacher was alerted by the ticking from the ten year olds anorak. God only knows what would have happened if he failed his times tables, the teacher would have called the riot police.

    Still, before long some bright spark will say the teacher was a ukip voter who assumed all Muslim boys are being groomed to blow us all up.

    Come on hand wringers - which way do you want it?

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,099
    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    RobD said:

    blackburn63 said:

    This is the society we live in now, teachers call in the police who interview a 10 year old over a spelling mistake.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/20/i-live-in-a-terrorist-house-police-speak-to-muslim-boy-10-over-spelling-error

    Terrace and terrorist aren't that similar :p
    Social services were involved too. Im not sure who to direct my anger at, the police, teachers or social services.

    I'll settle for the ridiculous environment successive governments have created by treating citizens as objects for their amusement.

    MI5 probably rely on even more bizzare tip offs ;)
    Nah they're too busy being gay friendly.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jan/19/mi5-comes-out-top-stonewall-list-gay-friendly-employers

    I mean what the fuck is all that about, who gives a toss if somebody is gay. Just go to work and do your job, nobody is interested in who you go on holiday with.

    Traditionally MI5 & 6 were VERY interested in their employees' sex lives. Perhaps there's a touch of over compensating going on.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Can you imagine the tabloid coverage if a boy who had written in a school essay that he was from a terrorist house had later turned up in an ISIS video stood alongside a former bouncy castle salesman?

    It was right to investigate it; how far the investigation needed to go is a matter for further debate.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,871
    Breaking: Group of militants open fire on a university in Pakistan - 30 killed and at least 60 injured.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/12109409/Militants-storm-university-in-Pakistan-live.html
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