An alarmingly bad poll for Hillary, although it is only ONE poll. Are the continuing FBI investigations starting to hurt her, or have the Americans finally decided that they've had enough of the long-running Clinton-Bush duopoly?
''With the mega mouth Trump and the media going to town on everything he does or says, it is easy to forgot Clinton campaign isn't going as smoothly as it should.''
Fox is running a story that FBI investigations into Clinton conduct when secretary of state are intensifying.
One gets the feeling that someone in the Republicans or Fox has something big on Hilary, and they're hoping she'll be nominated and the campaign well under way before it's revealed.
Could be complete bollox, but just a hunch.
There is plenty of avenues to go at, but the Clinton's always seem Teflon...Also if it does end up her vs Trump, Trump is way too divisive. I am can see lots of people implementing the trademarked Polly Nosepeg.
I am now 100% behind the junior doctors, and this afternoon signed a petition to support them. The attractiveness or otherwise of the junior doctor who approached me and asked me to sign the petition is unrelated to my position on this matter.
There's an interesting Premier League game at st. James' Park this evening between Newcastle Utd. and Manchester Utd. - not least because their respective managers are among the favourites to be the next to lose their post (aka "the sack race"). Louis van Gaal is offered at disconcertingly short odds of 0.53/1 with Paddy Power, whilst Newcastle's Steve McClaren is the third favourite also with PP and others, at a somewhat more comfortable price of 11/1. Inevitably this is a volatile market, with the odds often changing significantly after each series of games. Man Utd. are clear favourites to win this evening, but it would seem that the manager of whichever side loses will be that much closer to the trapdoor as a result. FWIW, McClaren looks the value bet here, but DYOR.
Wouldn't disagree with that analysis, except to say that Ashley (Newcastle Owner) is somewhat 'unpredictable' but is expected to give McClaren considerably longer even if they lose. He still has the fans (just about) and has signed 2 players this week already - so clearly still has the board / owner at the moment. Additionally, given that they are playing Manure it's a bit of a shot to nothing for Newcastle. (If they win - great. If they lose - well that's in-line with expectations). I guess my point would be that Newcastle could lose and the 11/1 wouldn't actually come in all that much. Personally my prediction is for a 0-0 which both teams would be sort of happy with, and neither have great recent scoring records.
(Obviously take what I say with a massive pinch of salt as I'm a Newcastle fan...)
An alarmingly bad poll for Hillary, although it is only ONE poll. Are the continuing FBI investigations starting to hurt her, or have the Americans finally decided that they've had enough of the long-running Clinton-Bush duopoly?
If I were an NH Democrat I might not want to just tamely vote for the (seemingly) inevitable nominee.
''With the mega mouth Trump and the media going to town on everything he does or says, it is easy to forgot Clinton campaign isn't going as smoothly as it should.''
Fox is running a story that FBI investigations into Clinton conduct when secretary of state are intensifying.
One gets the feeling that someone in the Republicans or Fox has something big on Hilary, and they're hoping she'll be nominated and the campaign well under way before it's revealed.
Could be complete bollox, but just a hunch.
There is plenty of avenues to go at, but the Clinton's always seem Teflon...Also if it does end up her vs Trump, Trump is way too divisive. I am can see lots of people implementing the trademarked Polly Nosepeg.
The Dems need a real life Matt Santos. A candidate with a bit of zing would walk it in the GE.
Hmmm...another one that is "I am going to convince people to do stuff that is bad". I have to say I am a little bored with these and I like Derren Brown a lot.
Saw his stage show in London a few years back - bloody fantastic!
The TV shows, not so much - since the Russian roulette and lottery numbers 'prediction' it's obviously been a little too overproduced.
''With the mega mouth Trump and the media going to town on everything he does or says, it is easy to forgot Clinton campaign isn't going as smoothly as it should.''
Fox is running a story that FBI investigations into Clinton conduct when secretary of state are intensifying.
One gets the feeling that someone in the Republicans or Fox has something big on Hilary, and they're hoping she'll be nominated and the campaign well under way before it's revealed.
Could be complete bollox, but just a hunch.
There is plenty of avenues to go at, but the Clinton's always seem Teflon...Also if it does end up her vs Trump, Trump is way too divisive. I am can see lots of people implementing the trademarked Polly Nosepeg.
Ooh, my goodness, I've only just appreciated the scale of the potential Guardian operation if it is Clinton v Trump. Every Corbynista will be expected to write at least 5 letters.
Hmmm...another one that is "I am going to convince people to do stuff that is bad". I have to say I am a little bored with these and I like Derren Brown a lot.
Saw his stage show in London a few years back - bloody fantastic!
The TV shows, not so much - since the Russian roulette and lottery numbers 'prediction' it's obviously been a little too overproduced.
Agree. I get the feeling he wants to keep the stage shows "special" with his best stuff and they are very good. Telly work clearly pays good money, but it feels a bit like he is mailing it in. The lottery one was particularly bad. I preferred the stuff he did on telly when it wasn't the one big set piece thing for 90 mins, more lots of different varied tricks.
Well, when 250 people can outvote 99 it's like Nazi Germany, only worse.
Yeahbut but but the 99 are right, so it shouldn't matter what the 250 think, they're wrong and shouldn't be allowed an opinion. Who are they anyway, f..king scumbag Tories?
BBC "the government has also accepted backbench amendments from the Commons to make sure one council in an area where a combined authority is proposed does not have a veto over the proposal when all others are in favour"
It's probably too early and therefore foolhardy to consider laying Hillary with Betfair against her winning the Democratic nomination at around 1.20, equivalent therefore to 5/1 before the exchange's 5% commission. If, however, the wheels really are starting to come off her bandwagon, then there come be a time, not too far distant, to pile on.
Honestly if the Dems are stupid enough to nominate Sanders then they deserve everything that comes their way. Trump would walk an election against Sanders, the guy is a commie, not even a closet one, he is an actual communist.
It's a lamentable situation when the "talent" in the US boils down to the wife of an ex-POTUS and a crazy billionaire. It's not a choice I would want to make. If it was Trump vs Sanders I just wouldn't know what to do, there is no way I would vote for Trump, but there is also no way I would vote for Sanders. I think wiping my arse with the ballot paper would surely be the order of the day.
Don't worry, Mr Bloomberg would be on the ballot in those circumstances.
Who would he caucus with in the event that he won? An independent POTUS would not have an automatic power base, and though he is quite right wing on economics, he is very liberal at the same time. Every bill would have to be done on a bipartisan basis to get through the House and the Senate, not exactly an easy proposition.
Bloomberg has the right mix. Liberal socially, dry economically.
Not the right mix to win, IMHO. It's basically the agenda of the Republican Establishment.
Indeed. And there is so much mud to throw, some of it is bound to stick. Imagine if just one alleged Bill ''victim'' comes forward. Just one.
Clinton as a candidate is a dog with fleas. A bunch of them.
The fact the spotlight is on Clinton is entirely down to Trump. He had the guts to take her on on this.
That was my thinking. One of two things. Either:
1. Someone has emails *from* her or forwarded to them that should clearly be classified or show evidence of something illegal.
or
2. Someone comes forward from the time of Bill's impeachment with evidence that she did something she shouldn't have done, like paid someone to go away.
As an IT guy the whole email thing is still completely implausible - there's no way there's not backups somewhere.
It would be really easy for the republicans to campaign with a poster of Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright from House of Cards, with the Clintons' heads photoshopped on. That could be poisonous to Hilary.
It all depends on whether the GOP wants to win the presidential election. If it does, it will select Rubio or Cruz (or possibly Bush, or Christie, or Whoever). If it doesn't, it will select Trump. Or, to put it the other way round, if it selects Trump, it will lose. If it does not select Trump, it may have a chance of winning.
Trump, if nominated, would be heavily defeated by either Hillary Clinton or Sanders or Whoever else, even if Hillary is bogged down in further revelations of the email or sex scandals. It would be a bit like the French people voting for a crook in order to stop a fascist.
Trump = the Corbyn outcome.
Cruz might be Corbyn. He is not Establishment. Trump is more Galloway.
Surely Trump is more Berlusconi? Don't see him as either Corbyn or Galloway, even allowing for the Left/Right mirroring.
Trump is a more extreme version of Nigel Farage. If Nige were in the US he would be saying the same things as Trump since the centre of politics in the US is shifted to the right compared to here. It's why the Dems and Tories are closer to each other than the Dems are to Labour or the GOP to the Tories. Being centre left or centrist in the US puts a party in the centre or on the centre right here.
I disagree.
Farage doesn't scare me. (Other than the drinking.) But he is an intelligent, thoughtful guy who's changed the agenda. He is not anti-business or, in general, particularly populist. His biggest issue is that he has a tendancy to make off the cuff jokes that are taken all too seriously by the commentariat. (Does anyone really think that he believes that immigrants are to blame for traffic going out to Bristol?)
Trump will say anything to get elected. He doesn't believe half the shit that comes out of his mouth. He doesn't really believe the Mexicans will pay for a wall. He doesn't really believe that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US.
The point about the joke is that it shows Farage is thick because he does not realise that there is more traffic because of a) prosperity and b) more women drivers. But Farage is a misogynistic oaf anyway so he would not see why women should be blocking his way either.
The point about the joke is that he made a joke,
Crass is as crass does and Farage friends prove it.
I see that HRH The Princess Royal is in the Falklands today. Truly she is the unsung heroine of the Royal Family (and a very nice lady). Not that there is anything wrong with the Falklands (imagine a larger version of Dartmoor with penguins) or their people, just getting to/from them is so awful.
I am now 100% behind the junior doctors, and this afternoon signed a petition to support them. The attractiveness or otherwise of the junior doctor who approached me and asked me to sign the petition is unrelated to my position on this matter.
Prediction for tonight: Newcastle won't score.
0-0 then unless Newcastle produce an OG. I think we have used up our quota of generous referees for this month.
Your position on the doctors dispute seems entirely rational.
"Barred" suggests a couple of bouncers stopping them from getting in to the division lobby.
Just like the Grassmarket on a Friday night.
Someone's going to try and pull a fast one surely? See if they can sneak in undetected. It's not like Scottish MPs have rotating luminous tartan hats to mark them out.
''With the mega mouth Trump and the media going to town on everything he does or says, it is easy to forgot Clinton campaign isn't going as smoothly as it should.''
Fox is running a story that FBI investigations into Clinton conduct when secretary of state are intensifying.
One gets the feeling that someone in the Republicans or Fox has something big on Hilary, and they're hoping she'll be nominated and the campaign well under way before it's revealed.
Could be complete bollox, but just a hunch.
There is plenty of avenues to go at, but the Clinton's always seem Teflon...Also if it does end up her vs Trump, Trump is way too divisive. I am can see lots of people implementing the trademarked Polly Nosepeg.
Ooh, my goodness, I've only just appreciated the scale of the potential Guardian operation if it is Clinton v Trump. Every Corbynista will be expected to write at least 5 letters.
That will only happen if it is Bernie v Trump as most Corbynistas can't stand Hillary either
Honestly if the Dems are stupid enough to nominate Sanders then they deserve everything that comes their way. Trump would walk an election against Sanders, the guy is a commie, not even a closet one, he is an actual communist.
It's a lamentable situation when the "talent" in the US boils down to the wife of an ex-POTUS and a crazy billionaire. It's not a choice I would want to make. If it was Trump vs Sanders I just wouldn't know what to do, there is no way I would vote for Trump, but there is also no way I would vote for Sanders. I think wiping my arse with the ballot paper would surely be the order of the day.
Don't worry, Mr Bloomberg would be on the ballot in those circumstances.
Who would he caucus with in the event that he won? An independent POTUS would not have an automatic power base, and though he is quite right wing on economics, he is very liberal at the same time. Every bill would have to be done on a bipartisan basis to get through the House and the Senate, not exactly an easy proposition.
Bloomberg has the right mix. Liberal socially, dry economically.
Not the right mix to win, IMHO. It's basically the agenda of the Republican Establishment.
It all depends on whether the GOP wants to win the presidential election. If it does, it will select Rubio or Cruz (or possibly Bush, or Christie, or Whoever). If it doesn't, it will select Trump. Or, to put it the other way round, if it selects Trump, it will lose. If it does not select Trump, it may have a chance of winning.
Trump, if nominated, would be heavily defeated by either Hillary Clinton or Sanders or Whoever else, even if Hillary is bogged down in further revelations of the email or sex scandals. It would be a bit like the French people voting for a crook in order to stop a fascist.
Trump = the Corbyn outcome.
Cruz might be Corbyn. He is not Establishment. Trump is more Galloway.
Surely Trump is more Berlusconi? Don't see him as either Corbyn or Galloway, even allowing for the Left/Right mirroring.
Trump is a more extreme version of Nigel Farage. If Nige were in the US he would be saying the same things as Trump since the centre of politics in the US is shifted to the right compared to here. It's why the Dems and Tories are closer to each other than the Dems are to Labour or the GOP to the Tories. Being centre left or centrist in the US puts a party in the centre or on the centre right here.
I disagree.
Farage doesn't scare me. (Other than the drinking.) But he is an intelligent, thoughtful guy who's changed the agenda. He is not anti-business or, in general, particularly populist. His biggest issue is that he has a tendancy to make off the cuff jokes that are taken all too seriously by the commentariat. (Does anyone really think that he believes that immigrants are to blame for traffic going out to Bristol?)
for a wall. He doesn't really believe that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US.
The point about the joke is that it shows Farage is thick because he does not realise that there is more traffic because of a) prosperity and b) more women drivers. But Farage is a misogynistic oaf anyway so he would not see why women should be blocking his way either.
The point about the joke is that he made a joke,
Crass is as crass does and Farage friends prove it.
Indeed. And there is so much mud to throw, some of it is bound to stick. Imagine if just one alleged Bill ''victim'' comes forward. Just one.
Clinton as a candidate is a dog with fleas. A bunch of them.
The fact the spotlight is on Clinton is entirely down to Trump. He had the guts to take her on on this.
That was my thinking. One of two things. Either:
1. Someone has emails *from* her or forwarded to them that should clearly be classified or show evidence of something illegal.
or
2. Someone comes forward from the time of Bill's impeachment with evidence that she did something she shouldn't have done, like paid someone to go away.
As an IT guy the whole email thing is still completely implausible - there's no way there's not backups somewhere.
It would be really easy for the republicans to campaign with a poster of Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright from House of Cards, with the Clintons' heads photoshopped on. That could be poisonous to Hilary.
It's #1.
The FBI has found something like 1500 emails with classified material in them, some of it Top Secret. That is ongoing.
The investigation has now expanded into 'public corruption' laws. The FBI are investigating the issuance of contracts by State at her time there, and contributions to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments plus speaking fees paid to Bill at that time.
The reason there are no backups is that the Clintons asked for them to be destroyed.
It's probably too early and therefore foolhardy to consider laying Hillary with Betfair against her winning the Democratic nomination at around 1.20, equivalent therefore to 5/1 before the exchange's 5% commission. If, however, the wheels really are starting to come off her bandwagon, then there come be a time, not too far distant, to pile on.
Mr. Putney, lovely to see you back here and to see posts talking about betting on politics. I am however a bit confused as to your position as regards La Clinton.
Possibly I have misunderstood you, but isn't the best time to get one's money down before the herd realises what is going on.
P.S. How is the White Horse in the High Street these days?
"Barred" suggests a couple of bouncers stopping them from getting in to the division lobby.
Just like the Grassmarket on a Friday night.
Someone's going to try and pull a fast one surely? See if they can sneak in undetected. It's not like Scottish MPs have rotating luminous tartan hats to mark them out.
Hmmm...another one that is "I am going to convince people to do stuff that is bad". I have to say I am a little bored with these and I like Derren Brown a lot.
Saw his stage show in London a few years back - bloody fantastic!
The TV shows, not so much - since the Russian roulette and lottery numbers 'prediction' it's obviously been a little too overproduced.
Agree. I get the feeling he wants to keep the stage shows "special" with his best stuff and they are very good. Telly work clearly pays good money, but it feels a bit like he is mailing it in. The lottery one was particularly bad. I preferred the stuff he did on telly when it wasn't the one big set piece thing for 90 mins, more lots of different varied tricks.
Yes, the original "Mind Control" TV series were also excellent. As you say Channel 4 are obviously paying good money for the long format specials, but they're all a variation on the same theme. We know he's very good at persuading people to do stupid stuff.
The TV work is also good for building profile though, think how many people who don't need the money go on comedy panel shows around the time their tour goes on sale!
800 people in a West End theatre for 25 nights, all paying fifty quid each wouldn't have done his bank balance much harm at all!
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Hmmm...another one that is "I am going to convince people to do stuff that is bad". I have to say I am a little bored with these and I like Derren Brown a lot.
Saw his stage show in London a few years back - bloody fantastic!
The TV shows, not so much - since the Russian roulette and lottery numbers 'prediction' it's obviously been a little too overproduced.
Agree. I get the feeling he wants to keep the stage shows "special" with his best stuff and they are very good. Telly work clearly pays good money, but it feels a bit like he is mailing it in. The lottery one was particularly bad. I preferred the stuff he did on telly when it wasn't the one big set piece thing for 90 mins, more lots of different varied tricks.
Yes, the original "Mind Control" TV series were also excellent. As you say Channel 4 are obviously paying good money for the long format specials, but they're all a variation on the same theme. We know he's very good at persuading people to do stupid stuff.
The TV work is also good for building profile though, think how many people who don't need the money go on comedy panel shows around the time their tour goes on sale!
800 people in a West End theatre for 25 nights, all paying fifty quid each wouldn't have done his bank balance much harm at all!
Agreed. There is definitely the profile boost aspect, although I think even if he didn't do telly for a 1-2 years his reputation & the actual shows are so good he would still sell them out. But as Guinness found if you,cut the advertising even with a famous product people do forget about you.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Can't let that one go, Nick. Some on the left try equally hard to prove themselves complete aresholes.
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
To be fair, the rest of us are playing for Silver there. The gold went north of the border long ago.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
There's nothing friendly about Labour's politics (and to quote Salmond the rocks will melt with the sun before I vote Labour)
Indeed. And there is so much mud to throw, some of it is bound to stick. Imagine if just one alleged Bill ''victim'' comes forward. Just one.
Clinton as a candidate is a dog with fleas. A bunch of them.
The fact the spotlight is on Clinton is entirely down to Trump. He had the guts to take her on on this.
That was my thinking. One of two things. Either:
1. Someone has emails *from* her or forwarded to them that should clearly be classified or show evidence of something illegal.
or
2. Someone comes forward from the time of Bill's impeachment with evidence that she did something she shouldn't have done, like paid someone to go away.
As an IT guy the whole email thing is still completely implausible - there's no way there's not backups somewhere.
It would be really easy for the republicans to campaign with a poster of Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright from House of Cards, with the Clintons' heads photoshopped on. That could be poisonous to Hilary.
It's #1.
The FBI has found something like 1500 emails with classified material in them, some of it Top Secret. That is ongoing.
The investigation has now expanded into 'public corruption' laws. The FBI are investigating the issuance of contracts by State at her time there, and contributions to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments plus speaking fees paid to Bill at that time.
The reason there are no backups is that the Clintons asked for them to be destroyed.
Interesting. I guess it would be a complete co-incidence if Bill Clinton got very well paid for a speech in a country that then went on to benefit from State Aid, for example...
Can you comment on how the US law would work if a backup tape somehow found its way into the Fox News newsroom. Maybe a bag with a million dollars in cash 'disappeared' from Fox at around the same time. Would they be allowed to do anything with it, or would men in dark glasses start arresting executives until they gave up their source? How free is the US press in a post-Snowden world?
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Can't let that one go, Nick. Some on the left try equally hard to prove themselves complete aresholes.
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
I think the level of nastiness between posters on PB is definitely down from a number of years ago and luckily it seems the nutjob and pretty nasty Corybynista element (i.e Tim x100, minus the braincells) that are so vocal on twitter have stayed clear. What it lacks is more of your SO type posters i.e. intelligent sensible left of centre types.
It's probably too early and therefore foolhardy to consider laying Hillary with Betfair against her winning the Democratic nomination at around 1.20, equivalent therefore to 5/1 before the exchange's 5% commission. If, however, the wheels really are starting to come off her bandwagon, then there come be a time, not too far distant, to pile on.
Mr. Putney, lovely to see you back here and to see posts talking about betting on politics. I am however a bit confused as to your position as regards La Clinton.
Possibly I have misunderstood you, but isn't the best time to get one's money down before the herd realises what is going on.
P.S. How is the White Horse in the High Street these days?
I dislike making tactical bets based on market movements rather than ultimate outcomes as it relies on there being lots of stupid punters. All the same, Sanders price is likely to come in if he's remotely close to Hillary in Iowa, not least because he's very well-placed to follow it up in NH.
Hillary will still be the nominee unless she becomes untenable for some legal reason. Sanders won't be the candidate whatever.
Also, it is indeed just Jimmy's. And I think the LGI would probably be nearer.
Mr. JS, it's almost as if having an Archsocialist follow and Archdruid (who proclaimed Sharia was inevitable, or very similar nonsense) isn't firing up the faithful.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Can't let that one go, Nick. Some on the left try equally hard to prove themselves complete aresholes.
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
I think the level of nastiness between posters on PB is definitely down from a number of years ago and luckily it seems the nutjob and pretty nasty Corybynista element (i.e Tim x100, minus the braincells) that are so vocal on twitter have stayed clear. What it lacks is more of your SO type posters i.e. intelligent sensible left of centre types.
Ha ha ha - not 'entirely' sure if you're goading me into this but still worth a re-run -
as one prominent member of PB stated about SO - "you swan in here - spouting your stuff - as if you had one of the higher IQs (Hint, you don't)"
It all depends on whether the GOP wants to win the presidential election. If it does, it will select Rubio or Cruz (or possibly Bush, or Christie, or Whoever). If it doesn't, it will select Trump. Or, to put it the other way round, if it selects Trump, it will lose. If it does not select Trump, it may have a chance of winning.
Trump, if nominated, would be heavily defeated by either Hillary Clinton or Sanders or Whoever else, even if Hillary is bogged down in further revelations of the email or sex scandals. It would be a bit like the French people voting for a crook in order to stop a fascist.
Trump = the Corbyn outcome.
Cruz might be Corbyn. He is not Establishment. Trump is more Galloway.
Surely Trump is more Berlusconi? Don't see him as either Corbyn or Galloway, even allowing for the Left/Right mirroring.
Trump is a more extreme version of Nigel Farage. If Nige were in the US he would be saying the same things as Trump since the centre of politics in the US is shifted to the right compared to here. It's why the Dems and Tories are closer to each other than the Dems are to Labour or the GOP to the Tories. Being centre left or centrist in the US puts a party in the centre or on the centre right here.
I disagree.
Farage doesn't scare me. (Other than the drinking.) But he is an intelligent, thoughtful guy who's changed the agenda. He is not anti-business or, in general, particularly populist. His biggest issue is that he has a tendancy to make off the cuff jokes that are taken all too seriously by the commentariat. (Does anyone really think that he believes that immigrants are to blame for traffic going out to Bristol?)
for a wall. He doesn't really believe that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US.
The point about the joke is that it shows Farage is thick because he does not realise that there is more traffic because of a) prosperity and b) more women drivers. But Farage is a misogynistic oaf anyway so he would not see why women should be blocking his way either.
The point about the joke is that he made a joke,
Crass is as crass does and Farage friends prove it.
My own MP has blocked me on twitter - bad form if you ask me
Yes I got blocked by John Rentoul probably because I pointed out regularly that most of us don't think the sun shines out of Blair's arse whenever he posted anything gushing. Again bad form in a journalist.
Sky - President Obama is to deliver his seventh and final state of the union address this evening
Doesn't he do a state of the union before the new guy is inaugurated? Is there no state of the union next year?
A two-term President should surely do 8?
That thought crossed my mind, although there would not be much point would there if there was a change of party not just a change of president but no change of party.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
You are joking right? Labour are the new nasty party.
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Can't let that one go, Nick. Some on the left try equally hard to prove themselves complete aresholes.
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
Yes, it was a joke (hence the smiley). But on PB I think that the left is pretty civilised, as are most of the right and the uncommitted, but not quite all...
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
Polish migration has been a huge boost for the Catholic church in England. Never mind full - the Polish Catholic church in Ealing used to have half of the congregation in the street (I guess it still does).
I do like the tweet in the thread header. My vague recollection is everyone seemed to have their polling rise prior to Iowa, and Santorum's was timed just right, at the very end.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
Can't let that one go, Nick. Some on the left try equally hard to prove themselves complete aresholes.
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
Yes, it was a joke (hence the smiley). But on PB I think that the left is pretty civilised, as are most of the right and the uncommitted, but not quite all...
By the standards of internet forums, let alone those devoted to politics, this one is exceptionally genteel.
Indeed. And there is so much mud to throw, some of it is bound to stick. Imagine if just one alleged Bill ''victim'' comes forward. Just one.
Clinton as a candidate is a dog with fleas. A bunch of them.
The fact the spotlight is on Clinton is entirely down to Trump. He had the guts to take her on on this.
That was my thinking. One of two things. Either: .......
It would be really easy for the republicans to campaign with a poster of Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright from House of Cards, with the Clintons' heads photoshopped on. That could be poisonous to Hilary.
It's #1.
The FBI has found something like 1500 emails with classified material in them, some of it Top Secret. That is ongoing.
The investigation has now expanded into 'public corruption' laws. The FBI are investigating the issuance of contracts by State at her time there, and contributions to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments plus speaking fees paid to Bill at that time.
The reason there are no backups is that the Clintons asked for them to be destroyed.
Interesting. I guess it would be a complete co-incidence if Bill Clinton got very well paid for a speech in a country that then went on to benefit from State Aid, for example...
Can you comment on how the US law would work if a backup tape somehow found its way into the Fox News newsroom. Maybe a bag with a million dollars in cash 'disappeared' from Fox at around the same time. Would they be allowed to do anything with it, or would men in dark glasses start arresting executives until they gave up their source? How free is the US press in a post-Snowden world?
The politic of the investigation are -
- Anyone in the FBI involved in this will be gone after by Clintons big time, unless they go down. If there is a Clinton presidency, I think there are already quite a few people who will be for the chop. It'll be the classic - if you claimed $1 to much over your whole career etc. - If Hillary does down, the firestorm from her supporters will be staggering. - Hillary going down is about the only way that the Republicans can win. - Obama & his associates may not love Hillary, but letting that happen - can't see it.
Most probable result will be - the investigation goes to the election. Obama pardons everyone for everything. The FBI chiefs trade burying the file for protecting their subordinates.
"Barred" suggests a couple of bouncers stopping them from getting in to the division lobby.
Just like the Grassmarket on a Friday night.
Is Grassmarket so Bad? I could have believed West Port St. There is a great pub on West Bow (St?)
I've only been once - and there were door staff. I was just trying to come up with a Scottish equivalent to Newcastle's Bigg Market.
Is it likely to be round Haymarket? Edinburgh has always seemed pretty civilised in the main to me with amazingly some nice pubs. Nice to think its still part of this great country of ours.
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
The problem the CoE suffers from is that it's staffed with Christian socialists but was founded as an independent conservative patriotic national church.
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Yes - since tim left, I think all of us on the left here have been pretty mild-mannered, but some on the right work hard at proving the "nasty party" image. Vote Labour for friendly politics :-)
You are joking right? Labour are the new nasty party.
Yes, but they are nastiest to their party. It's part of Tod's law from yesterday. Only Maomentum members are allowed to criticise Jermy Corbyn.
It's probably too early and therefore foolhardy to consider laying Hillary with Betfair against her winning the Democratic nomination at around 1.20, equivalent therefore to 5/1 before the exchange's 5% commission. If, however, the wheels really are starting to come off her bandwagon, then there come be a time, not too far distant, to pile on.
Mr. Putney, lovely to see you back here and to see posts talking about betting on politics. I am however a bit confused as to your position as regards La Clinton.
Possibly I have misunderstood you, but isn't the best time to get one's money down before the herd realises what is going on.
P.S. How is the White Horse in the High Street these days?
Hi HL and thanks for your kind words, although in all honesty I've never really been away, but perhaps I'm not as active on PB.com as I once was. I certainly never disappeared as inexplicably and rather sadly appears to be the case with my near namesake.
I take your point as regards laying Hillary early against her being the Democratic nominee for POTUS. My reticence stems from her having been a nailed on certainty for so long that it seems almost inconceivable that she could lose out this far down the line - I suppose I'm really stating the obvious is suggesting that it's better to have a, say 5/2 winner than a 5/1 loser. BUT .... it's certainly true to say that if the odds turn against her, they could well do so very quickly indeed as the betting market goes into a frenzy. Maybe the answer is to drip feed your stake money, so as not to lose out, whilst at the same time not risking too much too early. Good luck whatever you decide.
PS - Well remembered re: The White Horse on Putney High Street, although in all honesty I prefer The Green Man on Putney Heath and The Hare and Hounds in East Sheen, both also Youngs pubs, but with the advantage of having gardens at the rear - smashing for lazy beer-swilling afternoons during the summer months!
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
The problem the CoE suffers from is that it's staffed with Christian socialists but was founded as an independent conservative patriotic national church.
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
Catholic Church => thinks it is superior to mere national movements Anglican Church => is subservient to the nation
The Catholic Church - basically - is the EU. But with nicer music and costumes.
F1: just seen Ladbrokes have some McLaren specials. They're almost entirely dreadful. The 4 on Alonso to leave before the end of the season is the only one that would give me pause for thought, but I'm not backing it.
Edited extra bit: that bet is effectively on whether the McLaren is utter rubbish again. Leaving aside aerodynamic niceties, it's about progress with the Honda engine, specifically hooking up the MGU-H and MGU-K units properly.
If that's done, he'll almost certainly stay. If it's not, and the car is much as it was last year, he'll go.
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
The problem the CoE suffers from is that it's staffed with Christian socialists but was founded as an independent conservative patriotic national church.
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
The biggest growth in the Anglican Church is in Africa which takes a much more traditional line on things. On present trends they will soon restore a conservative majority
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
The problem the CoE suffers from is that it's staffed with Christian socialists but was founded as an independent conservative patriotic national church.
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
The biggest growth in the Anglican Church is in Africa which takes a much more traditional line on things. On present trends they will soon restore a conservative majority
"traditional"
"conservative"
Let's try bigoted and homophobic as more accurate descriptors.
coz vicars are all left wing. can't stand the sanctomy
It's because of a lack of faith in what they are selling. The Church of England Vicar round the corner from me seems to be selling vague ecumenical niceness, without too any actual god bothering. Empty church.
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
The problem the CoE suffers from is that it's staffed with Christian socialists but was founded as an independent conservative patriotic national church.
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
Catholic Church => thinks it is superior to mere national movements Anglican Church => is subservient to the nation
The Catholic Church - basically - is the EU. But with nicer music and costumes.
Ha. I can't help but see your point!
I'm "CoE" myself, and find those figures a bit sad, but I'm very much a christening, wedding, carol concerts and funerals churchgoer and not particularly religious.
I'm also small c-conservative about the institution too, but do struggle sometimes to wonder why I bother.
We heard is here first from the esteemed Mr Meeks, but another one for all the Osborne worshippers out there.
Tax increases ahead for the Middle classes!
Despite all the whining Cameroon deniers on here, I reassert my point. Osborne is in trouble. Financial and political. And he richly deserves it
Osborne could always cut spending, rather than merely alluding to it.
Spending is being cut. Spending for 2016 is 760bn Spending in 2010 was 673bn 6 years before that in 2004 it was 455bn So in the last 6 years its gone up 87bn = 13% In the 6 years before 2010 it went up 218bn = 48%
We heard is here first from the esteemed Mr Meeks, but another one for all the Osborne worshippers out there.
Tax increases ahead for the Middle classes!
Despite all the whining Cameroon deniers on here, I reassert my point. Osborne is in trouble. Financial and political. And he richly deserves it
Osborne could always cut spending, rather than merely alluding to it.
Spending is being cut. Spending for 2016 is 760bn Spending in 2010 was 673bn 6 years before that in 2004 it was 455bn So in the last 6 years its gone up 87bn = 13% In the 6 years before 2010 it went up 218bn = 48%
Would t it be better to put it in real rather than cash terms?
Comments
Are the continuing FBI investigations starting to hurt her, or have the Americans finally decided that they've had enough of the long-running Clinton-Bush duopoly?
My understanding is that it's English amendments on English laws.
Prediction for tonight: Newcastle won't score.
Indeed. And there is so much mud to throw, some of it is bound to stick. Imagine if just one alleged Bill ''victim'' comes forward. Just one.
Clinton as a candidate is a dog with fleas. A bunch of them.
The fact the spotlight is on Clinton is entirely down to Trump. He had the guts to take her on on this.
You the type that reads white papers as well nerd?
(Obviously take what I say with a massive pinch of salt as I'm a Newcastle fan...)
The TV shows, not so much - since the Russian roulette and lottery numbers 'prediction' it's obviously been a little too overproduced.
Well that's Durham fecked.
https://twitter.com/ayestotheright/status/686914089201864704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RghKdGn8h5A
https://twitter.com/Rem_Engagement/status/686960945667637248
Just like the Grassmarket on a Friday night.
1. Someone has emails *from* her or forwarded to them that should clearly be classified or show evidence of something illegal.
or
2. Someone comes forward from the time of Bill's impeachment with evidence that she did something she shouldn't have done, like paid someone to go away.
As an IT guy the whole email thing is still completely implausible - there's no way there's not backups somewhere.
It would be really easy for the republicans to campaign with a poster of Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright from House of Cards, with the Clintons' heads photoshopped on. That could be poisonous to Hilary.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/686964383944208384
What I don't understand is where your incredibly rude attitude came from.
Your position on the doctors dispute seems entirely rational.
The point about the joke is that he made a joke,
Crass is as crass does and Farage friends prove it. You need to lighten up.
The FBI has found something like 1500 emails with classified material in them, some of it Top Secret. That is ongoing.
The investigation has now expanded into 'public corruption' laws. The FBI are investigating the issuance of contracts by State at her time there, and contributions to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments plus speaking fees paid to Bill at that time.
The reason there are no backups is that the Clintons asked for them to be destroyed.
Possibly I have misunderstood you, but isn't the best time to get one's money down before the herd realises what is going on.
P.S. How is the White Horse in the High Street these days?
The TV work is also good for building profile though, think how many people who don't need the money go on comedy panel shows around the time their tour goes on sale!
800 people in a West End theatre for 25 nights, all paying fifty quid each wouldn't have done his bank balance much harm at all!
If Lab had voted with LD it would have been very close, but probably Govt would have scraped it - Lab very rarely have over 150 Peers present.
No question - Con Peers are now operating in a very businesslike fashion.
FOR:
Crossbench - 7
Labour - 1
Liberal Democrat - 88
Other - 3
Total - 99
AGAINST:
Conservative - 198
Crossbench - 42
Liberal Democrat - 1
Other - 9
Total - 250
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/business-papers/lords/lords-divisions/?date=2016-Jan-12&itemId=1&session=2015-May-18
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApX873brOTY
On the whole though PB is probably the politest place on the 'Net where people disagree with each other and long may that state of affairs continue.
PB is also the best place on the net that I have found for tangents, multiple contemporaneous discussions, and subject experts on just about any field.
LD amendment was to overturn the Commons overturn.
But I appreciate the supportive sentiment :-)
Sunday attendance also drops to 760,000 as decline continues in face of growing secularism, diversity and ageing congregation"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
Can you comment on how the US law would work if a backup tape somehow found its way into the Fox News newsroom. Maybe a bag with a million dollars in cash 'disappeared' from Fox at around the same time. Would they be allowed to do anything with it, or would men in dark glasses start arresting executives until they gave up their source? How free is the US press in a post-Snowden world?
Hillary will still be the nominee unless she becomes untenable for some legal reason. Sanders won't be the candidate whatever.
Also, it is indeed just Jimmy's. And I think the LGI would probably be nearer.
Mr. JS, it's almost as if having an Archsocialist follow and Archdruid (who proclaimed Sharia was inevitable, or very similar nonsense) isn't firing up the faithful.
as one prominent member of PB stated about SO - "you swan in here - spouting your stuff - as if you had one of the higher IQs (Hint, you don't)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htiRB79vrdk
SLAB really are an embarrassment.
A two-term President should surely do 8?
Over Farage? The nut behind the wheel?
The Catholic lot are selling middle of the road Catholicism (We are Catholics, if you like that, come on in. If you don't, well.... don't). Packed to standing room only for the middle Sunday services - plenty turn up for the early morning Mass, when I'm getting the bread from the bakery across the road...
Oh, and I'm an atheist.
Race trumps sexuality, remember, in Minority Trumps.
- Anyone in the FBI involved in this will be gone after by Clintons big time, unless they go down. If there is a Clinton presidency, I think there are already quite a few people who will be for the chop. It'll be the classic - if you claimed $1 to much over your whole career etc.
- If Hillary does down, the firestorm from her supporters will be staggering.
- Hillary going down is about the only way that the Republicans can win.
- Obama & his associates may not love Hillary, but letting that happen - can't see it.
Most probable result will be - the investigation goes to the election. Obama pardons everyone for everything. The FBI chiefs trade burying the file for protecting their subordinates.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35291226
They can never quite accept or get over that. The gap between the congregation and vicars has always been huge.
The more doctrinaire and international Catholic Church that's independent of any state - and, indeed, has its own - doesn't have the same problem.
We heard is here first from the esteemed Mr Meeks, but another one for all the Osborne worshippers out there.
Tax increases ahead for the Middle classes!
Despite all the whining Cameroon deniers on here, I reassert my point. Osborne is in trouble. Financial and political. And he richly deserves it
I take your point as regards laying Hillary early against her being the Democratic nominee for POTUS. My reticence stems from her having been a nailed on certainty for so long that it seems almost inconceivable that she could lose out this far down the line - I suppose I'm really stating the obvious is suggesting that it's better to have a, say 5/2 winner than a 5/1 loser. BUT .... it's certainly true to say that if the odds turn against her, they could well do so very quickly indeed as the betting market goes into a frenzy. Maybe the answer is to drip feed your stake money, so as not to lose out, whilst at the same time not risking too much too early.
Good luck whatever you decide.
PS - Well remembered re: The White Horse on Putney High Street, although in all honesty I prefer The Green Man on Putney Heath and The Hare and Hounds in East Sheen, both also Youngs pubs, but with the advantage of having gardens at the rear - smashing for lazy beer-swilling afternoons during the summer months!
Anglican Church => is subservient to the nation
The Catholic Church - basically - is the EU. But with nicer music and costumes.
Edited extra bit: that bet is effectively on whether the McLaren is utter rubbish again. Leaving aside aerodynamic niceties, it's about progress with the Honda engine, specifically hooking up the MGU-H and MGU-K units properly.
If that's done, he'll almost certainly stay. If it's not, and the car is much as it was last year, he'll go.
"conservative"
Let's try bigoted and homophobic as more accurate descriptors.
I'm "CoE" myself, and find those figures a bit sad, but I'm very much a christening, wedding, carol concerts and funerals churchgoer and not particularly religious.
I'm also small c-conservative about the institution too, but do struggle sometimes to wonder why I bother.
Spending for 2016 is 760bn
Spending in 2010 was 673bn
6 years before that in 2004 it was 455bn
So in the last 6 years its gone up 87bn = 13%
In the 6 years before 2010 it went up 218bn = 48%