Mr. Flashman (deceased), the aristocratic Benn traitor will be purged! All those who question to the wisdom of Chairman Jao will be exiled to the northern wastes of Jezikistan!
OT For anyone interested in the story of K-129 and the CIA cover story to raise the sub, there's a two part docu on PBS America called Azorian. Well worth a looksee.
Panic is spreading through CCHQ. 7 Tory drones MPs have mysteriously come out in support of David Cameron's best friend Lord Feldman almost simultaneously.
Mr. Thompson, fair enough, they respond to complaints.
Death threats and vandalism are a different kettle of fish to run of the mill twittery.
Mr. Hopkins, Corbyn, like Satan, has many names
The People's Front of Jezdea will wreak vengeance upon the Bennite splitters.
I completely agree. I think part of the problem is that given its in writing this is a very easy complaint to deal with. I imagine that after getting a number of he said/she said sort of complaints (or he/he in my example) one where everything is recorded must be the tempting easy issue to deal with.
The key is to clear up the law. There should be no legal protections from being offended. Pathetically now there are, that isn't the fault of the Police but rather our politicians. As was warned about at the time the law was changed.
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
The grounds for disputing it look very thin. If Macmillan had wanted to deny it he could have done, and he didn't. Remember he lived long enough to oppose the Thatcher government's privatisations so it is not as if these were his dying words.
I think CCHQ is most likely trying to extend the Roadtrip clap/blackmail/bullying fiasco as long as possible in order to take some of the heat off Al Jezza.
Who said this in their maiden MP's speech back in 1983?
"I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly."
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
The grounds for disputing it look very thin. If Macmillan had wanted to deny it he could have done, and he didn't. Remember he lived long enough to oppose the Thatcher government's privatisations so it is not as if these were his dying words.
But what is the primary source, and to whom did he say it?
Who said this in their maiden MP's speech back in 1983?
"I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly."
As I said last week, Labour couldn't put together a backbone if they tried. Allegedly, the two-day debate is to delay the vote until after the Oldham by-election!!!!!!!
Well, while I'm against the delaying tactic of the 2-day debate, I don't see other than politics why the vote might be before Oldham in any case.
How long ago did France request our help after being attacked? The decision could have been same day and not been premature this is very dragged out. Our ally was attacked and invoked our alliance to request a response. There is only one right response here and we know it.
"Mr Corbyn then told Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary who supports air strikes, that he would not allow him to close the Parliamentary debate on strikes, as would be normal. A furious Mr Benn replied: "If you do that, I'll just do it from the backbenches." One shadow minister's verdict on the meeting: "It was a riot in there.""
Whose side is Bercow on? Has he got it worked out yet? I guess he must be familiar with these bizarre sorts of arrangements by now.
What has it got to do with Bercow ?
The referee doesn't decide the penalty taker order in a football match shootout.
He calls people from the back benches to speak. Hilary would have had to catch his eye.
I read somewhere that the producers of the ''Mission Impossible'' movies were toying with the idea of having Tom Cruise become Labour Chief Whip for the next one...
I read somewhere that the producers of the ''Mission Impossible'' movies were toying with the idea of having Tom Cruise become Labour Chief Whip for the next one...
'@paulwaugh · 34s35 seconds ago Rumours that LibDems will vote FOR Syria bombing But spksmn tells me that's 'presumptious', MPs/peers meet tonight + more discussions follow
As I said last week, Labour couldn't put together a backbone if they tried. Allegedly, the two-day debate is to delay the vote until after the Oldham by-election!!!!!!!
Well, while I'm against the delaying tactic of the 2-day debate, I don't see other than politics why the vote might be before Oldham in any case.
How long ago did France request our help after being attacked? The decision could have been same day and not been premature this is very dragged out. Our ally was attacked and invoked our alliance to request a response. There is only one right response here and we know it.
The decision could have been made the same day, and without a vote in the Commons too. Having decided, however, that the matter is non-urgent enough to schedule statements and debates ahead of a vote at some unnamed point in the future, I cannot see another reason than politics to schedule it the day it apparently will be. I don't care when it is taken, whatever is decided it should be done by now, and I agree should have been sooner, but the government not me decided the matter could wait, and then waited for a moment of perceived political advantage to boot.
I read somewhere that the producers of the ''Mission Impossible'' movies were toying with the idea of having Tom Cruise become Labour Chief Whip for the next one...
Maybe it is Tom Cruise behind that latex mask and beard.
'This Shadow Cabinet will self distruct in 5 seconds'
@iainmartin1: Person who briefed that Rosie Winterton is resigning to resign.
Blimey. I have been away from the screen for an hour or two and it appears the scriptwriters of The Thick Of It have taken control of the higher echelons of the Labour party.
For a bunch of Stalinists they are not very good at control.
In all seriousness, the Corbynites are going to get increasingly disillusioned as their man comes up against political reality, for the first time in his life. The only way from here is downwards, both for that reason, and because the uncommitted are still giving him the benefit of the doubt.
My train journey back home is 50 mins long and I lose signal for about 40 mins of that journey, I'm scared on my way back home I'm going to miss around 20 Labour clusterfucks
Who said this in their maiden MP's speech back in 1983?
"I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly."
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
How do you explain how some of the participants switched sides? For example, Italy was allied with the Triple Alliance but then joined the Entente in WWI. Under Mussolini it went back to being allied with Germany, before switching halfway through the war and then being part of NATO against Russia.
'Events dear boy, events'
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
Over the weekend I said that the gossip from parties in Oldham said they would get the following: Labour 39; UKIP 34; Tories 14. so not adding up to 100 once add in Libs. Pretty consistent with the betting. I don't think turn out will get to 40% . If we bumped up share by one tenth then outcome might be: lab 43; UKIP 37; Tory 16. Add Libs/Greens at 4 then about right.
I still think Labour have it but if Dave does Syria vote late on Wednesday to hit media that night and next day, that might tip the election. Exciting times.
Over the weekend I said that the gossip from parties in Oldham said they would get the following: Labour 39; UKIP 34; Tories 14. so not adding up to 100 once add in Libs. Pretty consistent with the betting. I don't think turn out will get to 40% . If we bumped up share by one tenth then outcome might be: lab 43; UKIP 37; Tory 16. Add Libs/Greens at 4 then about right.
I still think Labour have it but if Dave does Syria vote late on Wednesday to hit media that night and next day, that might tip the election. Exciting times.
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
How do you explain how some of the participants switched sides? For example, Italy was allied with the Triple Alliance but then joined the Entente in WWI. Under Mussolini it went back to being allied with Germany, before switching halfway through the war and then being part of NATO against Russia.
'Events dear boy, events'
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
Who said this in their maiden MP's speech back in 1983?
"I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly."
Look Labour, I've got the M-i-L staying so I have a little free time. I'm waiting for the Beta of Elite Dangerous : Horizons to be released, and trying to play the original. I'm a man so I'm not good at multitasking, and you've already made me crash into two stars.
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
'Events dear boy, events'
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
Over the weekend I said that the gossip from parties in Oldham said they would get the following: Labour 39; UKIP 34; Tories 14. so not adding up to 100 once add in Libs. Pretty consistent with the betting. I don't think turn out will get to 40% . If we bumped up share by one tenth then outcome might be: lab 43; UKIP 37; Tory 16. Add Libs/Greens at 4 then about right.
I still think Labour have it but if Dave does Syria vote late on Wednesday to hit media that night and next day, that might tip the election. Exciting times.
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
I nearly included the Seven Years War. As well as global scope it also had very long-lasting consequences. On the other hand I think that when we use the term "world war" there is also the idea of mobilising all the resources of a nation, of nationalist ideology and of a remorseless war that ends in the collapse of the losing side and reorganisation of their home state by the victors. As I understand it, those elements are not there in the Seven Years War but are to some extent in Napoleonic France. But we could certainly see the Seven Years War as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
How do you explain how some of the participants switched sides? For example, Italy was allied with the Triple Alliance but then joined the Entente in WWI. Under Mussolini it went back to being allied with Germany, before switching halfway through the war and then being part of NATO against Russia.
'Events dear boy, events'
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
The United Kingdom is the undisputed World Champion of wars.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.
We are 3 and 0 in world wars if you count the Napeolonic kerfuffle as WW0. Is it just a clean-sweep in group stage though?
Unofficially amongst military historians the 7 Years War is counted as the first proper World War. Europe, Africa, The Caribbean, Canada and India as well as numerous smaller places.
We won that one as well.
as WW-1.
And we did win it, indeed, although that verdict was partially reversed by the misunderstanding with the American colonies.
In terms of total war, the Thirty Years War was more intense than the Seven Years War but its geographic scope was much more limited. Even so, I'd be inclined to view 1756-63 as the first of four truly global conflicts.
Bobbitt's concept of "Epochal" or Long War (1914-1990) makes a lot of sense to me.
Good afternoon all. I prefer to think of 1870-1945 as being Europe's Peloponnesian war. I'd accept the argument that there was an overlapping conflict from 1917-1989(ish).
How do you explain how some of the participants switched sides? For example, Italy was allied with the Triple Alliance but then joined the Entente in WWI. Under Mussolini it went back to being allied with Germany, before switching halfway through the war and then being part of NATO against Russia.
'Events dear boy, events'
Disputed[edit] Events, dear boy, events. Response to a journalist when asked what is most likely to blow governments off course. The quote is also given as "Events, my dear boy, events", with the word "my", but it may never have been uttered at all. Knowles, Elizabeth M. (2006). What they didn't say: a book of misquotations. Oxford University Press. pp. vi, 33.
Mr. Borough, Tories in Oldham must be pointing at Labour on fire and wondering if the more moral decision is to just observe, or to try and extinguish the flames with urine.
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I know I've been taking the piss, but I really do want Labour to get a leader who isn't utterly out of his depth. It's not good for the country.
Telegraph reporting that Corbyn will put the case against bombing at dispatch box, followed by Benn who will put the case for, at a debate later in week (or next week). Described as "unusual".
Telegraph reporting that Corbyn will put the case against bombing at dispatch box, followed by Benn who will put the case for, at a debate later in week (or next week). Described as "unusual".
Mr. Borough, Tories in Oldham must be pointing at Labour on fire and wondering if the more moral decision is to just observe, or to try and extinguish the flames with urine.
....
I know I've been taking the piss, but I really do want Labour to get a leader who isn't utterly out of his depth. It's not good for the country.
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Death threats and vandalism are a different kettle of fish to run of the mill twittery.
Mr. Hopkins, Corbyn, like Satan, has many names
The People's Front of Jezdea will wreak vengeance upon the Bennite splitters.
@paulwaugh: Meanwhile, watch a Labour MP compare Cameron to 'Hitler in his bunker' on Syria.
https://t.co/0jLoFeGtRb
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/671356150491783170
The key is to clear up the law. There should be no legal protections from being offended. Pathetically now there are, that isn't the fault of the Police but rather our politicians. As was warned about at the time the law was changed.
Does Davis take his stance from Montgomerie or is it the other way round?
Mind you I cannot tell Ant and Dec from each other.
"I am a Socialist not through reading a textbook that has caught my intellectual fancy, nor through unthinking tradition, but because I believe that, at its best, Socialism corresponds most closely to an existence that is both rational and moral. It stands for co-operation, not confrontation; for fellowship, not fear. It stands for equality, not because it wants people to be the same but because only through equality in our economic circumstances can our individuality develop properly."
Jim Pickard @PickardJE 1m1 minute ago
MP tells me Rosie Winterton stepping down as Labour chief whip.
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 3m3 minutes ago
David Cameron to make a statement on a House of Commons vote on Syria this evening, after 7pm.
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/671374871373488128
http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/government-and-opposition1/opposition-holding/
Ker... ching!
Not Ker... ching!
ROSIE WINTERTON NOT STEPPING DOWN AFTER ALL
'@paulwaugh · 34s35 seconds ago
Rumours that LibDems will vote FOR Syria bombing
But spksmn tells me that's 'presumptious', MPs/peers meet tonight + more discussions follow
Will anyone notice ?
'Oh no she isn't'. 'Oh yes she is'.
Andy Burnham will go on stage in the interval and sing a song for some Haribo.
Not stepping down...just not bothering turning up?
Very strong denials from Labour that Rosie Winterton has resigned .... yet. But it's only 5.14.
https://twitter.com/derekrootboy/status/668764791536775168
'This Shadow Cabinet will self distruct in 5 seconds'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfkZmOeMm6Y
For a bunch of Stalinists they are not very good at control.
In all seriousness, the Corbynites are going to get increasingly disillusioned as their man comes up against political reality, for the first time in his life. The only way from here is downwards, both for that reason, and because the uncommitted are still giving him the benefit of the doubt.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tony_Blair
Can he prevent war in the Middle East?*
Find out tomorrow, same Jez time, same Jez channel!
*No.
Stephen Pollard @stephenpollard 2m2 minutes ago
I'm hearing that someone is going to resign. If not now, soon.
Iain Martin @iainmartin1 59s60 seconds ago
Breaking: someone to resign.
Source in Whips' office says it's "very unlikely [Rosie Winterton] would resign of her own volition".
I still think Labour have it but if Dave does Syria vote late on Wednesday to hit media that night and next day, that might tip the election. Exciting times.
Not doubting that for a second, but is there a definitive quotable source for that?
TBH, I can't keep up with events.
Hurry up and resign, already!
"I'm hearing Claire Balletine"
"I was really hoping that was gonna be shit because I'm tired and I quite like to hit somebody."
More important I recalled it (without assistance) years ago having read one of the books (that I hnow have conveniently misplaced)..
But Honest John, the Leader of Men and Women in Hersham, is invariably correct.
Do the other pilots call you Maldonado In Space?
The recovery starts here....
Outside sir, and choose your weapons with care ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYiOCctlPR0
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I know I've been taking the piss, but I really do want Labour to get a leader who isn't utterly out of his depth. It's not good for the country.
Oh, hi, Josias!
@jonwalker121: This is not some weird joke I am making by the way, this is what Labour is saying it will do https://t.co/REcJPkkQLO
Ignore was from a spoof account, the fooking tossers
https://twitter.com/BritainEIects/status/671382669494755328I