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This is a new venture by Ian Warren of Election Data who in the run-up to GE2015 provided analysis for two of the main parties. He devised the questions and provided the analysis. YouGov did the fieldwork. The initial release relates to just English adults – other parts are to follow.
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Absolutely bloody ridiculous than I'm being patronised and had a go at by people in my own party for just TELLING THE TRUTH for gods sake.
"Work with Jeremy!" I AM WORKING WITH JEREMY YOU MORONS, I'M OUT ON THE DOORSTEP IN HIS NAME WHENEVER I CAN BE
It isn't my bloody fault that I put all my efforts into trying to win people over to him on the doorstep and they still won't have it.
I'm still in shock that Jeremy Corbyn is leader of the Labour party. As someone who was just 19 when Tony Blair came to power I only grew aware of politics through the cool Britannia years when Blair seemed to have reformed Labour and stolen the centre-ground forever. I was thinking yesterday of how Corbyn was viewed during those Blair years. A rebel, a maverick, a socialist, a trouble maker, a disloyal figure of irrelevance. It was unthinkable that he'd ever get to lead the party.
There is a lovely Corbyn snippet in Chris Mullins' View From the Foothills book about a PLP meeting from Spring 2001 where the Labour manifesto was discussed. After the usual queries from left wingers about nationalising Railtrack, banning Fox Hunting etc Corbyn "read out a wishlist" of what Labour should do when re-elected, "to which Graham Allen shouted out, 'and what about the second week', to general amusement".
As Cyclefree very shrewdly expressed below, Corbyn's beliefs - to the complete detriment of all other opinions - are sacrosanct to him; akin to religion. That is all very well on the back-benches but politics is about compromise and collective responsibility. So I can't see how Corbyn's intransigent, deeply-held, minority beliefs can ever be suited to leadership of a party which aspires to form a government.
The longer Corbyn continues as leader the worse it will get for Labour. I am 100% sure about that.
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More generally, Corbyn's approval figures will continue to get worse as people stop giving him the benefit of the doubt.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVDh3gdWIAAbfZQ.jpg
A minority view, but well it's one.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I think that a belief system which is untethered from the real world and ignores the evidence is more akin to a religion than to politics. The casting out into the outer darkness of anyone who dares question Corbyn, the dividing people into sheep and goats, the outrage at the idea that anyone should dare to question the leader, the view of him as some sort of Messiah who gives people hope and inspiration: all of these seem more akin to the followers of a religion. It's all about faith rather than thought, all about making those who believe feel pure and better than about helping others.
Were I to close my eyes and listen to the sayings of Corbyn, Abbott and others, transpose a few words and add a Northern Irish accent, I could be listening to Iain Paisley speaking to the faithful and ranting about the Jezebel in the Vatican.
Ooops. Note spelling Education, education, edukashun..
There is a certain type of stupidity that only the highly educated are capable of.
Aka kids who have done low quality 'degrees' and have no memory of the 70s and 80s are attracted to this superannuated Trot.
http://www.historytoday.com/dean-nicholas/video-crystal-palace-destroyed
If you look at Corbyn and his followers in that light, you will realise he 's here until 2020 - or he has a medical problem due to stress (He's probably very healthy due to cycling).
Nor is the Labour Party going to collapse at once. It took the Liberals 10 years .. and they still exist 90 years later..
Normally when I have seen graphs based on education it is by tiers, not putting incomplete education ahead of completed education. Very bizarre.
As a bloke it's difficult to judge EdM's sexual attractiveness but I'd say he is quite charming and very polite and I suppose some women would go for that.
Women are unpredictable though, my missus - for some bizarre reason - chose me
Pity about his voice.
If those opposing one another took a look at the world through both ends of the telescope, rather than through one end the whole time, more logic would prevail.
But then what do I know...
I think we have to accept that a lot of people are attracted to rubbish ideas - like controlling what others can think or say (as in the "trigger"/"safe space" nonsense - an idea so daft that only a baby who wants to be back in its cot could possibly think it worthwhile) - because they are attracted to power and control (and, if necessary, the violence needed to achieve such power and control). They are against the violence, power and control of the state or the oppressive classes not because they are against these things but because it is not them in charge. And they are attracted to movements which give them the chance to strut around and exercise power and control over others.
He's a smart chappy and posts some great stuff.
Equally the body of the comment says the younger you are the more likely to are to support Corbyn but the graph says support from 15 and under is only 16% but 20+ is 30%. I may be reading this wrong but its not clear to me how.
In a poll of adults why are we given figures for people under 18, and indeed below 15?
This contradicts Feldman's claim that he was unaware of Clarke's alleged behaviour until August 2015.
http://order-order.com/2015/11/30/dynamite-memo-warned-feldman-about-clarke-in-summer-2014/
Cameron needs to act and sack his close friend Feldman.
'Scientists have discovered there are three types of stupidity – and one is much worse than the others.
The first, and by far the worst type of stupidity, according to the study is something known as 'confident arrogance.'
This is when what someone thinks is their ability to do something outweighs their actual ability to do it.
The second type of stupidity was 'lack of control', when someone just can't help themselves.
The final type of stupidity is 'absentmindedness' which can also mean 'lack of practicality', perhaps because they weren't paying attention or weren't aware of something.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3327684/How-not-look-stupid-Psychologists-reveal-three-types-foolish-behaviour.html
He thought Corbyn was the Restoration of True Labour and wanted a Lansbury in charge.
Alan Johnson was my first thought, but Alan Johnson was an ex trade union boss but Bevin was a current trade union boss when he made his intervention.
http://quoteinvestigator.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hammerstein03.jpg
"Clever and Lazy" are the most sought after and capable type of people.
This is not a proposal to go to war. It never has been and it never will be.
The proposal is to extend an existing bombing campaign to a new area in order to help destroy those seeking to bring terror to our country.
That isn't war. It is limited aerial bombing campaign.
It is an extension of an existing military action.
But they don't want to get it. They want to impose their 'conscience' on everyone. Classic appeasement from people with no common sense and no regard for the safety of our citizens and those of our allies.
Reports are that only a handful of Tories are now against, but it has to be very tight unless a block of say 20 Labour MPs can be relied on to vote for action.
There must be 20 Lab MPs who will defy a three-line whip under current circumstances. But can Cameron be certain given the run-around he was given a couple of years ago? I suspect this will fall to Hilary Benn to make the call. If he defies the whip then others will gladly follow and Cameron will feel more secure.
This is not a proposal to go to war. It never has been and it never will be.
The proposal is to extend an existing bombing campaign to a new area in order to help destroy those seeking to bring terror to our country.
That isn't war. It is limited aerial bombing campaign.
It is an extension of an existing military action.
But they don't want to get it. They want to impose their 'conscience' on everyone. Classic appeasement from people with no common sense and no regard for the safety of our citizens and those of our allies.
They do get it.
Their name: Stop The West describes exactly what they want.
Also - the fact that it is a large sample. We used to be told IIRC that increasing the size of a properly selected sample did not or should not improve its accuracy to any significant degree.
If memory serves someone once asked Cameron why he wanted to be Prime Minister and he replied, "I think I'd be rather good at it". Can you imagine Bevin ever giving such a self-centred wishy-washy answer?
Edited extra bit: TSE suggests that Alan Johnson is a politician in the Bevin mould, well only as much a domestic house cat can be compared to a full grown Bengal Tiger. They are both cats in the same way that Johnson and Bevin were both trade-unionists there the equivalence ends.
Their name: Stop The West describes exactly what they want.
Both yourself and oxfordsimon are correct. And thank you to Simon for repeating the plain unvarnished facts.
Then she blamed some poor innocent for her crimes
This is not a proposal to go to war. It never has been and it never will be.
The proposal is to extend an existing bombing campaign to a new area in order to help destroy those seeking to bring terror to our country.
That isn't war. It is limited aerial bombing campaign.
It is an extension of an existing military action.
But they don't want to get it. They want to impose their 'conscience' on everyone. Classic appeasement from people with no common sense and no regard for the safety of our citizens and those of our allies.
STW don't have a "conscience". That would imply some nodding acquaintance with morality. They think it is our fault we are a target. They are no different to those who think that a woman wearing a short skirt is "asking" for rape.
(In fact, at this stage in the 1931 parliament, Lansbury hadn't even become leader: Henderson, despite having lost his seat, continued to lead the party).
Labour is gradually drifting into being a conglomeration of Respect and the Greens, and the election of Corbyn will only accelerate that.
Are the education figures conditional on LAB VI?
*ducks*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Bevin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34963159
Not a problem for Corbyn & Co. I think...Cyclefree's comments earlier are pretty close to the mark (with a some added quotation marks)
'They are against the violence, power and control of the state or the 'oppressive classes' not because they are against these things but because it is not them in charge'
He said that demographic would lead to segregated towns, religious factions, and minority demands that would lead to bloody violence...
It's the reason we are debating bombing Syria yet people still say he was wrong
Mr. Fenster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6h0lkq-Sno
The front is just a row of men sitting together like you would see in Eton or White's
But Asian so Kippers can have all the angry feels
STW is nothing but a front for the SWP and it is using Corbyn's election to take over the Labour party, using the sort of entryist techniques used by leftist groupuscules through the ages.
We'll spank ISIS back into the Stone Age.