MarkSenior - No, not aiming for 50% just the 42/43% the Tories won in EVERY election from 1979-1992. The Tories did not get 37% against Brown because many voters thought Clegg's LDs a sensible half-way house without having to fully commit to Cameron. Now Clegg is about as popular as Ian Paisley in a brothel that will no longer be an option for them, and they will be forced to choose between Cameron and Miliband, and Cameron wins that contest handily!
The Conservatives only got 37% in 2010 because they were toxic as they were from 1993 onwards . Today they remain toxic amongst left leaning voters and have become toxic amongst many right leaning voters . What miracle is going to occur in the next 2 years to make them toxic free to both these disparate sets of voters
With any luck, Mark, the toxicity to the left will finally start working.
MarkSenior - No, not aiming for 50% just the 42/43% the Tories won in EVERY election from 1979-1992. The Tories did not get 37% against Brown because many voters thought Clegg's LDs a sensible half-way house without having to fully commit to Cameron. Now Clegg is about as popular as Ian Paisley in a brothel that will no longer be an option for them, and they will be forced to choose between Cameron and Miliband, and Cameron wins that contest handily!
The Conservatives only got 37% in 2010 because they were toxic as they were from 1993 onwards . Today they remain toxic amongst left leaning voters and have become toxic amongst many right leaning voters . What miracle is going to occur in the next 2 years to make them toxic free to both these disparate sets of voters
Would you say Labour and the LDs were far more toxic brands, neither getting more than 30% in 2010?
I hope your Mum isn't serving up dinner whilst you are posting on PB..
TIm Could you give us all an indication of how many times you are going to have us "rolling in the aisles" with your Claire Perry "Porn van" joke.
If you are a raconteur of any note , you will know that if you post it once on the internet, people might chuckle, a second outing and any subsequent outing is always rated an epic FAIL. Of course this will almost certainly pass you by as repetition is what you do....
MarkSenior - Well Thatcher was toxic to left-wing voters but still won 3 elections so their views are irrelevant. As for rightwing voters, faced with a choice between Cameron and an EU referendum and Miliband and Balls and no referendum I can see most returning to the fold as the election looms, as I pointed out, voters in the centre handily prefer Cameron to Miliband and will probably vote accordingly!
Yes but Thatcher was not toxic to right wing voters and it did not matter that she was toxic to left wing voters as they were equally split between Labour and the Alliance . Polls do show that voters prefer Cameron to Miliband but it is mostly the lesser of 2 evils rather than a positive choice . I will remind you that voters preferred Callaghan to Thatcher in 1979 but it did not stop him losing .
tim..it is immediately obvious why you post on a political website..you are a Labour trol..therefore your posts become meaningless..simple What time do you close the offie..
MarkSenior - Most polls at the time showed Alliance voters preferred Thatcher to Foot and Kinnock, the Alliance was more centrist than left-wing, and in any case Thatcher still won 42/43% of the vote which is what Dave needs for a majority. Elections still sometimes come down to a lesser of 2 evils and a comparison between Ed Miliband and Thatcher is absurd, IDS would be more apt!
What the Hell is there not to like? For my money I'd be happy if the whole building was filled with immigrants like them. Attractive and interesting. Would anyone in their right mind prefer a curmudgeon like Doody living next door?
Is this a spoof?
Middle to upper class Japanese, sharing champagne with lefty poseur, having a pleasant afternoon is the template for all immigration.
I suspect Roger is not the first Englishman to have spent an afternoon drinking champagne with an immigrant looker in Soho.
He may be unique though in not being disappointed at the inevitable outcome.
And so as I looked around the park I found that every prospect pleased — with the exception of this wrathful woman. I took a while to focus on what she was saying, but I gathered that she was offended by the Home Office mobile posters that have been going around some boroughs, urging illegal immigrants to go home.
It was a scandal, she said; it was going to be damaging for race relations; and what, she wanted to know, was I doing about it? She was a barrister, she added, as if I wasn’t already apprehensive enough. As every politician knows, you cannot possibly hope to win in a position like this — the whole crowd listening as some well-spoken and well-educated woman decides to give you what for – and especially if she is armed with a lethal-looking glass of sangria.
“Er, I haven’t actually seen the posters,” I ventured, which was true — though I had been made vaguely aware of the controversy. That wasn’t good enough, she snapped. I should be speaking out, she said, witheringly, and so on and so forth. After about 10 rounds of pummelling, I was able to escape by promising to have a look at the offending propaganda, and to make up my own mind.
Well, I have — or at least, I have studied them online. The tone is certainly blunt. The message is uncompromising. “Go home or face arrest,” says the Home Office to illegal immigrants, in words that have even offended the tender sensibilities of Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip.
I suppose it could have been more gently drafted. How about: “Illegal immigrant? Worried about being arrested? Need help getting home? We can help! Just text HOME to 78070 and we will act as your personal travel agent.” That might have at least sounded a bit friendlier — but I wonder whether it would have appeased my angry friend with the sangria. As far as I could tell, she objected to the whole concept of urging illegal immigrants to do the right thing
. She seemed to think it wrong and downright racist even to point out that they were breaking the law. On that point I am afraid I have to disagree. Illegal immigrants have every opportunity to make their case to remain in Britain, and we have courts full of eloquent lefty lawyers — like, I very much suspect, my sangria-charged friend — taking prodigious sums of taxpayers’ money to vindicate the human rights of their clients
Completely agree. I'd happily invite 5m young Japanese to live in Britain. The girls are cute, the men are polite, the culture is highly evolved, they never commit crime, they work hard and pay their taxes and are never a burden.
However, if I'm honest, I am less keen on burqa'd women from rural Pakistan, their angry virgin brothers, and their decrepit grannies moving here.
How would YOU have felt if the people moving into your flat had been shrouded in burqas and niqabs?
Try and be honest. For once.
There are quite a few people in burqas where I live in Holloway, and chaps who I expect may often be their brothers, and indeed some elderly Asian women on the bus and my local takeaway. They're OK, neither better nor worse than anyone else, or indeed notably different in their conversation, manners or anything else, except for the clothes. They don't keep to themselves and they interact with locals (who are from all overr the place) like anyone else. After a while you just stop noticing. Life is too short to worry about such stuff.
And he is precisely right. Those who resort to shouting RACIST are a) missing the whole point that they're here illegally and b) being an illegal immigrant is nothing to do with your race... unless one makes the perhaps logical leap that being from certain countries where its very sunny and being here illegally are synonymous.
" ...I suppose it could have been more gently drafted. How about: “Illegal immigrant? Worried about being arrested? Need help getting home? We can help! Just text HOME to 78070 and we will act as your personal travel agent.” That might have at least sounded a bit friendlier — but I wonder whether it would have appeased my angry friend with the sangria. As far as I could tell, she objected to the whole concept of urging illegal immigrants to do the right thing.
She seemed to think it wrong and downright racist even to point out that they were breaking the law. On that point I am afraid I have to disagree. Illegal immigrants have every opportunity to make their case to remain in Britain, and we have courts full of eloquent lefty lawyers — like, I very much suspect, my sangria-charged friend — taking prodigious sums of taxpayers’ money to vindicate the human rights of their clients.
Such is the ingenuity of these lawyers that all government strategies to deal with these illegals have so far failed. Indeed, we already have a de facto amnesty for all illegal immigrants who have been able to stay here for a long time. Ask the Home Office how many illegal immigrants have been deported, after being here for more than 10 years. The number is tiny. For most hard-working and otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants there is virtually no chance that they will be deported — and yet they cannot pay tax, cannot take part in the legal economy, and certainly cannot run for their country.
It is certainly not racist to point out this absurdity, since illegals come from all ethnic groups. It is not anti-immigrant to point this out, since illegals make a nonsense of the efforts of other immigrants to do the right thing and secure leave to remain. One way or another illegals need to regularise their position, and preferably to pay taxes like everyone else.
tim..it is immediately obvious why you post on a political website..you are a Labour trol..therefore your posts become meaningless..simple What time do you close the offie..
Richard , earlier you wrongly described J.K.Rowling as a Scot . She's a person who had the good fortune to be born in England and has the good fortune to live in beautiful Edinburgh and South Kensington. She's quintessentially British.
MarkSenior - No, not aiming for 50% just the 42/43% the Tories won in EVERY election from 1979-1992. The Tories did not get 37% against Brown because many voters thought Clegg's LDs a sensible half-way house without having to fully commit to Cameron. Now Clegg is about as popular as Ian Paisley in a brothel that will no longer be an option for them, and they will be forced to choose between Cameron and Miliband, and Cameron wins that contest handily!
The Conservatives only got 37% in 2010 because they were toxic as they were from 1993 onwards . Today they remain toxic amongst left leaning voters and have become toxic amongst many right leaning voters . What miracle is going to occur in the next 2 years to make them toxic free to both these disparate sets of voters
Would you say Labour and the LDs were far more toxic brands, neither getting more than 30% in 2010?
I hope your Mum isn't serving up dinner whilst you are posting on PB..
PB Tories suddenly agreeing with an amnesty for illegal immigrants. A big step forward.
Tim lad,I posted most of what boris said,the argument with the woman and the crap the left are coming out with on the mobile posters and what Johnson believes on illegal immigration - which he his wrong.
MarkSenior - No, not aiming for 50% just the 42/43% the Tories won in EVERY election from 1979-1992. The Tories did not get 37% against Brown because many voters thought Clegg's LDs a sensible half-way house without having to fully commit to Cameron. Now Clegg is about as popular as Ian Paisley in a brothel that will no longer be an option for them, and they will be forced to choose between Cameron and Miliband, and Cameron wins that contest handily!
The Conservatives only got 37% in 2010 because they were toxic as they were from 1993 onwards . Today they remain toxic amongst left leaning voters and have become toxic amongst many right leaning voters . What miracle is going to occur in the next 2 years to make them toxic free to both these disparate sets of voters
Would you say Labour and the LDs were far more toxic brands, neither getting more than 30% in 2010?
Ha! Game Set and Match there, Mr Sunil!
Why thank you!
But - I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be addressed as "Mr"
Accidentally tried to post an empty comment and was told 'body is required'. Sounds rather sinister.
Good evening, everyone.
I don't think the illegal immigrant stuff is nasty. Excessive immigration leads to poor integration, segregation and enclaves. Illegal immigration necessarily increases criminality.
Accidentally tried to post an empty comment and was told 'body is required'. Sounds rather sinister.
Good evening, everyone.
I don't think the illegal immigrant stuff is nasty. Excessive immigration leads to poor integration, segregation and enclaves. Illegal immigration necessarily increases criminality.
"the LSE team revealed that enclaves with high numbers of immigrants experienced less crime than neighbourhoods with fewer arrivals from abroad. The research focused on neighbourhoods that had an immigrant population larger than 30%. Bell and his team found "strong and consistent evidence that enclaves have lower crime experiences than otherwise observably similar neighbourhoods that have a lower immigrant share of the population".
PB Tories suddenly agreeing with an amnesty for illegal immigrants. A big step forward.
Tim lad,I posted most of what boris said,the argument with the woman and the crap the left are coming out with on the mobile posters and what Johnson believes on illegal immigration - which he his wrong.
But the amnesty for illegals is the whole point of the piece
No it wasn't, the mobile poster campaign by the government had a great part of the article
Johnson finishes -
This poster campaign is unlikely, in itself, to solve the problem that expanded so massively under the last Labour government. But you surely can’t blame the Coalition for trying to enforce the law
one of my favourite pieces of acute poliical analysis from the PB's Political expert and Cheshire Farmer is "Hold hands and point at the squid" So deep and full of politcal implications, it could bring the Government down..What an expert that man is.
'"One way or another illegals need to regularise their position, and preferably to pay taxes like everyone else"
I'm sure we all agree with that'
If you want to ensure even higher future levels of illegal immigration,giving an amnesty is the perfect way to achieve it.
'Researchers at the Centre on Migration, Policy and Society at the University of Oxford have looked at previous studies, in particular ones of a United States amnesty in 1986.
Graph showing estimated US illegal immigration
They found that "almost all show that the large-scale amnesty implemented in 1986 has not reduced, and has in fact increased, undocumented migration to the US, since it established new migration flows due to networks and family ties".
A total of 2.7m qualified for the amnesty in 1986. By 2000 there were an estimated 9.3m illegal immigrants living in the United States.
Meanwhile, Spain had six amnesties in 20 years. In that time, the number of illegal immigrants applying under the schemes rose from 44,000 to 700,000 - a 15-fold increase.
Accidentally tried to post an empty comment and was told 'body is required'. Sounds rather sinister.
Good evening, everyone.
I don't think the illegal immigrant stuff is nasty. Excessive immigration leads to poor integration, segregation and enclaves. Illegal immigration necessarily increases criminality.
"the LSE team revealed that enclaves with high numbers of immigrants experienced less crime than neighbourhoods with fewer arrivals from abroad. The research focused on neighbourhoods that had an immigrant population larger than 30%. Bell and his team found "strong and consistent evidence that enclaves have lower crime experiences than otherwise observably similar neighbourhoods that have a lower immigrant share of the population".
"strong and consistent evidence that enclaves have lower crime experiences than otherwise observably similar neighbourhoods that have a lower immigrant share of the population".
An argument for colonialism and re-education of indigenous populations. Revolting.
The Burqa is disgusting and shameful, It is the physical manifestation of the Islamic religions appalling subjugation and treatment of females..I have yet to hear from Harriet Harman on the subject.
Accidentally tried to post an empty comment and was told 'body is required'. Sounds rather sinister.
Good evening, everyone.
I don't think the illegal immigrant stuff is nasty. Excessive immigration leads to poor integration, segregation and enclaves. Illegal immigration necessarily increases criminality.
"the LSE team revealed that enclaves with high numbers of immigrants experienced less crime than neighbourhoods with fewer arrivals from abroad. The research focused on neighbourhoods that had an immigrant population larger than 30%. Bell and his team found "strong and consistent evidence that enclaves have lower crime experiences than otherwise observably similar neighbourhoods that have a lower immigrant share of the population".
"Fancy a job in spying? But this one is for spying on the spies – MI5 is advertising for a new head of Health and Safety to ensure Britain’s secret agents are working in a safe environment.
However, for anyone tempted to apply for the £60,000 a year job there is a slight obstacle. Applicants will be told nothing about the buildings, people or locations they will be working with – to protect national security.
They won’t even be told “much about the job” they are a candidate for. The Security Service prides itself on its secrecy and only the Director General is every publicly named.
As a result, it openly admits that that there is somewhat of a risk for anyone applying to be the next head of health and safety. The advert, posted on the spy agency’s website, reads: “We can’t show you the buildings.
“We can’t talk about the people you’ll work with.
“We can’t tell you much about the job.
“We can’t give you the exact locations.
“We can’t mention the kind of technology involved.”
But, on the upside, it adds that if it is “still a risk worth taking?”, then: “What we can tell you is that whatever your role at MI5 you’ll be contributing to protecting the UK from threats to national security including terrorism and espionage...
@thomasknox: Superb Egypt quote on BBC. "Muslim Brotherhood's spokesperson says the international community must step in". Yeah, right. Save the Nazis.
@thomasknox: Superb Egypt quote on BBC. "Muslim Brotherhood's spokesperson says the international community must step in". Yeah, right. Save the Nazis.
Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood, are essentially Fascist. As I recently proved on my Telegraph blog (which you must surely read, as you follow my Twitterfeed)
@thomasknox: Superb Egypt quote on BBC. "Muslim Brotherhood's spokesperson says the international community must step in". Yeah, right. Save the Nazis.
Islamists like the Muslim Brotherhood, are essentially Fascist. As I recently proved on my Telegraph blog (which you must surely read, as you follow my Twitterfeed)
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
O/T There is a special meeting called of Rutland CC for tomorrow which will decide whether legal action is taken against the 3 UKIP councillors for defamation by means of alleging officers of the council were guilty of corruption and fraud . The alleged defamatory statements were made when the 3 councillors were members of the Rutland Anti Corruption group but they disbanded the group and joined UKIP in June . The agenda for the meeting tomorrow is on the council website .
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Sunil,why isn't tim answering any of your Questions ;-)
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Sunil,why isn't tim answering any of your Questions ;-)
Tyke,
tim's brain has generated enough energy to produce upwards of 6900 posts - I'm sure he'll think of something
Twitter Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 9h Depth of Ed Mili's debt to Unite is eye opening. Personally took £168k from unions since '01, £118k of it Red Len's. http://tinyurl.com/lb5lf7o
Motorists allowed to park on double yellow lines to help save high streets
Motorists will be allowed to park on double-yellow lines for up to 15 minutes without paying under Conservative plans but face fines of up to £130 for dangerous parking
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Sunil,why isn't tim answering any of your Questions ;-)
Tyke,
tim's brain has generated enough energy to produce upwards of 6900 posts - I'm sure he'll think of something
Have you asked him any questions ? I can only see a post in stupid Allo Allo language .
Twitter Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 9h Depth of Ed Mili's debt to Unite is eye opening. Personally took £168k from unions since '01, £118k of it Red Len's. http://tinyurl.com/lb5lf7o
We're in the 12th inning in the White Sox v Royals game. Score's 2-2. Lights are on, clouds rolling in off Lake Michigan. Sunday afternoon in Chicago, whiskey hangover gently fading away. With my boys. Life is good.
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Sunil,why isn't tim answering any of your Questions ;-)
Tyke,
tim's brain has generated enough energy to produce upwards of 6900 posts - I'm sure he'll think of something
Have you asked him any questions ? I can only see a post in stupid Allo Allo language .
Mark Junior, please don't be so puerile - if you bother reading the thread, I asked him two questions:
SeanT, the point is that the clothing doesn't affect their behaviour in the way you suppose, presumably because you run away when you encounter a burqa. I've talked to women in burqas, been stopped to ask the way by them (and yeah, the first time that happened I was surprised), and heard them chattering about teenage stuff to white girls in skimpy clothing in the takeaway.
Sure, there's an issue about whether it's really voluntary or the result of social pressure. But it doesn't really help them that it makes you go eek! and assume that they must be scary people whom you don't want living in your street. But then, you've lived a bit of a sheltered life, eh?
"The Ministry of Justice plans to tighten the test that needs to be passed before a judicial review can be brought to challenge decisions by the Government and public bodies. “We’re looking at making some changes so that the system isn’t open to abuse by groups who may not have a direct interest in the issue at hand but simply want to cause delay or disruption to plans or generate publicity for themselves,” a government source said At present anyone with a “sufficient interest” can lodge a judicial review challenge. Ministers plan to tighten this test to ensure that only those with a direct link to the policy or decision can challenge.
There has been a huge surge of judicial review applications which have trebled in a decade. In 1974 there were 160 which had risen to 6,692 in 2007. That has now reached 12,000 — the vast majority related to immigration and asylum cases. Judges, the legal profession and other groups have warned that curbs on judicial review could lead to unlawful or bad government decisions going unchecked. But earlier this month Sir John Thomas, the senior judge who has since been appointed Lord Chief Justice, castigated law firms who allowed successive and meritless asylum challenges to be brought.
He said that failed asylum seekers shopped around to find a lawyer to take on what was often a hopeless case.
SeanT, the point is that the clothing doesn't affect their behaviour in the way you suppose, presumably because you run away when you encounter a burqa. I've talked to women in burqas, been stopped to ask the way by them (and yeah, the first time that happened I was surprised), and heard them chattering about teenage stuff to white girls in skimpy clothing in the takeaway.
Sure, there's an issue about whether it's really voluntary or the result of social pressure. But it doesn't really help them that it makes you go eek! and assume that they must be scary people whom you don't want living in your street. But then, you've lived a bit of a sheltered life, eh?
What would you do if your daughter (or other female relative) started to wear a burqa Nick? Would you not question her rationale?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism "Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, the first part pronounced as "Nazi"), is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism..." (my bold)
Have any of our Leftish contributors told us of their union membership? I can't recall any- its been Tories or floating voters that have been informative here.
Are none of them union members? Really?
tim is a member of:
Uneet the Onion Enison National Onion of Toochers GMBoo OSDAW National Onion of Moon-workers Communication Weekers Onion Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
Sunil,why isn't tim answering any of your Questions ;-)
Tyke,
tim's brain has generated enough energy to produce upwards of 6900 posts - I'm sure he'll think of something
Have you asked him any questions ? I can only see a post in stupid Allo Allo language .
Nice to know mark the troll button still works,look down thread if any Questions have been asked to tim from sunil,then your post will look silly.
Let's just roll on to 2015. Imagine, just imagine for a minute, if Cammo gets back in to No. 10 either in coalition or with a Tory maj.
That would leave certain posters facing a DECADE of comments about Cammo either
1. Not being good enough to win an election vs Brown/Eds (yet still be PM for a DECADE)
2. Being PM for a DECADE and having to put up with the Tory nutjobs for the last 5 years of power.
Just how much more bitter and one-eyed could the PB postings become if so...... wonderful to think. Where do you go after face colour, sexism, fopism, chumism, posingism, posturisation....
If Ed M does win, 'we' PB Tories can start looking forward to the 'easy life' of attacking everything and offering nothing as we see currently from some PB-reds. Albeit some PB-reds were only attacking Tories with nothing to say on the Lab Govt even when Gordon was wondering around No. 10 supposedly running the country!
A good election for both sets of PB posters to lose then in 2015!
SeanT, the point is that the clothing doesn't affect their behaviour in the way you suppose, presumably because you run away when you encounter a burqa. I've talked to women in burqas, been stopped to ask the way by them (and yeah, the first time that happened I was surprised), and heard them chattering about teenage stuff to white girls in skimpy clothing in the takeaway.
Sure, there's an issue about whether it's really voluntary or the result of social pressure. But it doesn't really help them that it makes you go eek! and assume that they must be scary people whom you don't want living in your street. But then, you've lived a bit of a sheltered life, eh?
What would you do if your daughter (or other female relative) started to wear a burqa Nick? Would you not question her rationale?
Palmer's more interested in animal than human female rights. He's a New Labour era pest who should go away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism "Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, the first part pronounced as "Nazi"), is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism..." (my bold)
Tim's right: not all fascists are Nazis; therefore it is wrong, if one could demonstrate that the Muslim Brotherhood were fascists, to necessarily infer they were Nazis. Sean was being a bit loose with his language. Given his flamboyant use of vocabulary is (I imagine) part of the appeal for readers, that is not unsurprising.
"Dennis Canavan, chairman of Yes Scotland and former Labour MP and Independent MSP, made the comments less than a week after the birth of the Royal Family's newest member and third in line to the UK throne.
If the people of Scotland vote in favour of independence next year a second referendum should be held to decide the head of state, Mr Canavan said."
What would you do if your daughter (or other female relative) started to wear a burqa Nick? Would you not question her rationale?
Yes, or if she went in for heavy body piercing or anything else that I thought was a bit worrying. But I wouldn't assume she was suddenly scary, as Sean does. It's just too generalised and superficial, like a lot of his stuff. Better to judge people by what they're like, not what they wear.
Has anyone heard any royal news? Only, Coral has twice adjusted their odds on The Queen abdicating by 2015 down tonight, now it's only 3/1. Indeed, since they put the market up in May at 8/1 the odds have only gone in one direction, and not the direction that time is pushing them in. Am I missing something?
"And what really ought to worry Labour is that 43 per cent say that the economy would be worse now had Labour won the 2010 election, against 32 per cent who say it would be better.
If Labour has not persuaded people by now that Osborne’s policy has failed – compared with what Labour would have done – then its economic credibility is a biscotte.
I suspect much of the Labour Party has lulled itself into a false sense of Swedenism* because some polls suggest that people think Osborne is an objectionable piece of work. Of course they do; he is a politician.
and he is currently in government. What this poll does, however, is to compare his policies with those of the other lot, had they been in the despised position of being in government.
If Labour haven’t persuaded the voters that things would have been better under them by now (and I’m one of the 32 per cent in that last question, incidentally), they are unlikely to do so by the time of the election, now that the economy is picking up a little. And if Labour cannot do that, it cannot win.
My column for The Independent on Sunday is mainly about how serious Cameron is about curbing the “free movement of workers” throughout the EU, but this reflects the rigour of the Cameron-Osborne focus on the job prospects and living standards of the “hard-working people” on whom the election will turn.
Labour’s current lead in the headline opinion-poll figures is misleading: Cameron is set to win again.
*Swedenism, n: The attribution to the electorate of generous social-democratic qualities."
Has anyone heard any royal news? Only, Coral has twice adjusted their odds on The Queen abdicating by 2015 down tonight, now it's only 3/1. Indeed, since they put the market up in May at 8/1 the odds have only gone in one direction, and not the direction that time is pushing them in. Am I missing something?
I'm sure Her Madge feels sorry about Charles getting the booby prize in September (oldest ever successor, beating William IV in 1830), but I suspect she covets Queen Victoria's record even more...
Has anyone heard any royal news? Only, Coral has twice adjusted their odds on The Queen abdicating by 2015 down tonight, now it's only 3/1. Indeed, since they put the market up in May at 8/1 the odds have only gone in one direction, and not the direction that time is pushing them in. Am I missing something?
I'm sure Her Madge feels sorry about Charles getting the booby prize in September (oldest ever successor, beating William IV in 1830), but I suspect she covets Queen Victoria's record even more...
That's always been my logic, but Coral is so far from the odds that implies that I'm starting to wonder what I've missed.
What would you do if your daughter (or other female relative) started to wear a burqa Nick? Would you not question her rationale?
Yes, or if she went in for heavy body piercing or anything else that I thought was a bit worrying. But I wouldn't assume she was suddenly scary, as Sean does. It's just too generalised and superficial, like a lot of his stuff. Better to judge people by what they're like, not what they wear.
Imagine if I told you everyone under a burqa was black. And the people who "escorted" them, were white.
Exactly. You would not stand for it. Yet it's OK if everyone under a burqa has ovaries, and everyone who "escorts" them does not. Because you are so scared of being seen as racist you will not condemn quite disgusting misogyny.
Feeble, feeble, feeble. And it sums you up.
You could say the same thing about high heels. Imagine the people wearing the weird shoes that made it hard to walk were all black and the people with the normal shoes were white. That would be some freakish racist thing.
Isn't it a mark of a good pollster that there is little volatility? Most people don't change their minds day to day and neither should the polls if they have the ability to extricate what those polled really intend to do.
Perhaps the time has come for PB to confer most preferred pollster status to Yougov and Populus and to reduce ICM from Gold standard to (s)crap.
Not necessarily, you'd expect a good pollster to flucuate within their margin of error, and produce one poll in twenty outside it.
If a pollster is very stable it may be a sign that their weighting is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
"Dennis Canavan, chairman of Yes Scotland and former Labour MP and Independent MSP, made the comments less than a week after the birth of the Royal Family's newest member and third in line to the UK throne.
If the people of Scotland vote in favour of independence next year a second referendum should be held to decide the head of state, Mr Canavan said."
You are reading headlines again and not the story. At no stage did Canavan, speaking personally say George should not be king, he said it was a decision for Scots to decide. Not sure when Chuck and Trigger take over despite wall to wall Witchell gushing that the people will be quite so enamoured. If support drops when he takes over I expect a quick handover to the celebs. Had the Queen not had residual popularity in 1997 at Diana's death then the monarchy would have been in trouble despite MSM support.
Has anyone heard any royal news? Only, Coral has twice adjusted their odds on The Queen abdicating by 2015 down tonight, now it's only 3/1. Indeed, since they put the market up in May at 8/1 the odds have only gone in one direction, and not the direction that time is pushing them in. Am I missing something?
Abdication worked in Belgium, problem is that people in Scotland respect the Queen and not the monarchy per se. Handing over to Chuck in 2014 pre indy vote would hit the NO vote, even tho having the royals is not really an issue.
Has anyone heard any royal news? Only, Coral has twice adjusted their odds on The Queen abdicating by 2015 down tonight, now it's only 3/1. Indeed, since they put the market up in May at 8/1 the odds have only gone in one direction, and not the direction that time is pushing them in. Am I missing something?
Abdication worked in Belgium, problem is that people in Scotland respect the Queen and not the monarchy per se. Handing over to Chuck in 2014 pre indy vote would hit the NO vote, even tho having the royals is not really an issue.
Maybe Charles should then abdicate as king of Scotland and just keep the rest, then William could take over up there and get some practice in.
It really is time the Britain grew up and embraced a true democracy in which all constituents of Government were elected. That would mean the abolition of the House of Lords and the monarchy. The monarchy should be replaced with an elected President. You cannot vote out a bad or mad monarch but you can un-elect a bad President in a democracy. the age of doffing the cap, walking backwards and bowing in front of monarch are gone. ..As regards the winner of the next election I am sure Labour will win by default and through an electoral system which is slanted in the party's favour. John Rentoul should remember that the Tories did not win in 2010, and if the could not win then, they will not win in 2015. Rentoul is part of the media attack on Miliband. This is the same man who supported Blair's illegal war on Iraq. I discount anything he says.
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Could you give us all an indication of how many times you are going to have us "rolling in the aisles" with your Claire Perry "Porn van" joke.
If you are a raconteur of any note , you will know that if you post it once on the internet, people might chuckle, a second outing and any subsequent outing is always rated an epic FAIL. Of course this will almost certainly pass you by as repetition is what you do....
Mo’s breaking records, but other migrants are breaking the law
Immigrants have a lot to offer Britain, but those here illegally have no right to remain, writes Boris Johnson
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10207786/Mos-breaking-records-but-other-migrants-are-breaking-the-law.html
He may be unique though in not being disappointed at the inevitable outcome.
And so as I looked around the park I found that every prospect pleased — with the exception of this wrathful woman. I took a while to focus on what she was saying, but I gathered that she was offended by the Home Office mobile posters that have been going around some boroughs, urging illegal immigrants to go home.
It was a scandal, she said; it was going to be damaging for race relations; and what, she wanted to know, was I doing about it? She was a barrister, she added, as if I wasn’t already apprehensive enough. As every politician knows, you cannot possibly hope to win in a position like this — the whole crowd listening as some well-spoken and well-educated woman decides to give you what for – and especially if she is armed with a lethal-looking glass of sangria.
“Er, I haven’t actually seen the posters,” I ventured, which was true — though I had been made vaguely aware of the controversy. That wasn’t good enough, she snapped. I should be speaking out, she said, witheringly, and so on and so forth. After about 10 rounds of pummelling, I was able to escape by promising to have a look at the offending propaganda, and to make up my own mind.
Well, I have — or at least, I have studied them online. The tone is certainly blunt. The message is uncompromising. “Go home or face arrest,” says the Home Office to illegal immigrants, in words that have even offended the tender sensibilities of Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip.
I suppose it could have been more gently drafted. How about: “Illegal immigrant? Worried about being arrested? Need help getting home? We can help! Just text HOME to 78070 and we will act as your personal travel agent.” That might have at least sounded a bit friendlier — but I wonder whether it would have appeased my angry friend with the sangria. As far as I could tell, she objected to the whole concept of urging illegal immigrants to do the right thing
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She seemed to think it wrong and downright racist even to point out that they were breaking the law. On that point I am afraid I have to disagree. Illegal immigrants have every opportunity to make their case to remain in Britain, and we have courts full of eloquent lefty lawyers — like, I very much suspect, my sangria-charged friend — taking prodigious sums of taxpayers’ money to vindicate the human rights of their clients
" ...I suppose it could have been more gently drafted. How about: “Illegal immigrant? Worried about being arrested? Need help getting home? We can help! Just text HOME to 78070 and we will act as your personal travel agent.” That might have at least sounded a bit friendlier — but I wonder whether it would have appeased my angry friend with the sangria. As far as I could tell, she objected to the whole concept of urging illegal immigrants to do the right thing.
She seemed to think it wrong and downright racist even to point out that they were breaking the law. On that point I am afraid I have to disagree. Illegal immigrants have every opportunity to make their case to remain in Britain, and we have courts full of eloquent lefty lawyers — like, I very much suspect, my sangria-charged friend — taking prodigious sums of taxpayers’ money to vindicate the human rights of their clients.
Such is the ingenuity of these lawyers that all government strategies to deal with these illegals have so far failed. Indeed, we already have a de facto amnesty for all illegal immigrants who have been able to stay here for a long time. Ask the Home Office how many illegal immigrants have been deported, after being here for more than 10 years. The number is tiny. For most hard-working and otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants there is virtually no chance that they will be deported — and yet they cannot pay tax, cannot take part in the legal economy, and certainly cannot run for their country.
It is certainly not racist to point out this absurdity, since illegals come from all ethnic groups. It is not anti-immigrant to point this out, since illegals make a nonsense of the efforts of other immigrants to do the right thing and secure leave to remain. One way or another illegals need to regularise their position, and preferably to pay taxes like everyone else.
But - I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be addressed as "Mr"
http://www.google.co.uk/search?biw=1366&bih=538&q=dr evil&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49784469,d.ZGU,pv.xjs.s.en_US.MpiVkF51mpA.O&wrapid=tlif137504306692621&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=AX71UbudJqKP7Abo9YGgBw
Accidentally tried to post an empty comment and was told 'body is required'. Sounds rather sinister.
Good evening, everyone.
I don't think the illegal immigrant stuff is nasty. Excessive immigration leads to poor integration, segregation and enclaves. Illegal immigration necessarily increases criminality.
Shall we have a bet that you don't even know the percentage of immigrants in your neighbourhood, tim?
Johnson finishes -
This poster campaign is unlikely, in itself, to solve the problem that expanded so massively under the last Labour government. But you surely can’t blame the Coalition for trying to enforce the law
'"One way or another illegals need to regularise their position, and preferably to pay taxes like everyone else"
I'm sure we all agree with that'
If you want to ensure even higher future levels of illegal immigration,giving an amnesty is the perfect way to achieve it.
'Researchers at the Centre on Migration, Policy and Society at the University of Oxford have looked at previous studies, in particular ones of a United States amnesty in 1986.
Graph showing estimated US illegal immigration
They found that "almost all show that the large-scale amnesty implemented in 1986 has not reduced, and has in fact increased, undocumented migration to the US, since it established new migration flows due to networks and family ties".
A total of 2.7m qualified for the amnesty in 1986. By 2000 there were an estimated 9.3m illegal immigrants living in the United States.
Meanwhile, Spain had six amnesties in 20 years. In that time, the number of illegal immigrants applying under the schemes rose from 44,000 to 700,000 - a 15-fold increase.
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/.../8629354.stm
An argument for colonialism and re-education of indigenous populations. Revolting.
I read as far as 'the LSE team' and remembered Gadaffi's PhD.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/8247449/Billy-Bragg-village-takes-a-firebrand-to-its-heart.html
"Fancy a job in spying? But this one is for spying on the spies – MI5 is advertising for a new head of Health and Safety to ensure Britain’s secret agents are working in a safe environment.
However, for anyone tempted to apply for the £60,000 a year job there is a slight obstacle. Applicants will be told nothing about the buildings, people or locations they will be working with – to protect national security.
They won’t even be told “much about the job” they are a candidate for. The Security Service prides itself on its secrecy and only the Director General is every publicly named.
As a result, it openly admits that that there is somewhat of a risk for anyone applying to be the next head of health and safety. The advert, posted on the spy agency’s website, reads: “We can’t show you the buildings.
“We can’t talk about the people you’ll work with.
“We can’t tell you much about the job.
“We can’t give you the exact locations.
“We can’t mention the kind of technology involved.”
But, on the upside, it adds that if it is “still a risk worth taking?”, then: “What we can tell you is that whatever your role at MI5 you’ll be contributing to protecting the UK from threats to national security including terrorism and espionage...
Shall we have a bet that you don't even know the percentage of Muslims in your neighbourhood, tim?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/01/the-ralph-miliband-lectures-remind-us-how-stupid-clever-people-can-be/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn1EFJz3AbI
Are none of them union members? Really?
Uneet the Onion
Enison
National Onion of Toochers
GMBoo
OSDAW
National Onion of Moon-workers
Communication Weekers Onion
Pooblic and Commercial Soovices Onion
https://twitter.com/benedictbrogan/status/361592786602061824/photo/1
Win,win,win for the tories if that is so.
There are clearly benefits to the public having no idea what you stand for.
tim's brain has generated enough energy to produce upwards of 6900 posts - I'm sure he'll think of something
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn 9h
Depth of Ed Mili's debt to Unite is eye opening. Personally took £168k from unions since '01, £118k of it Red Len's. http://tinyurl.com/lb5lf7o
Motorists will be allowed to park on double-yellow lines for up to 15 minutes without paying under Conservative plans but face fines of up to £130 for dangerous parking
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/10207364/Motorists-allowed-to-park-on-double-yellow-lines-to-help-save-high-streets.html
9.34 pm:
@tim
Shall we have a bet that you don't even know the percentage of immigrants in your neighbourhood, tim?
9.51pm:
@tim
Shall we have a bet that you don't even know the percentage of Muslims in your neighbourhood, tim?
Sure, there's an issue about whether it's really voluntary or the result of social pressure. But it doesn't really help them that it makes you go eek! and assume that they must be scary people whom you don't want living in your street. But then, you've lived a bit of a sheltered life, eh?
"The Ministry of Justice plans to tighten the test that needs to be passed before a judicial review can be brought to challenge decisions by the Government and public bodies. “We’re looking at making some changes so that the system isn’t open to abuse by groups who may not have a direct interest in the issue at hand but simply want to cause delay or disruption to plans or generate publicity for themselves,” a government source said At present anyone with a “sufficient interest” can lodge a judicial review challenge. Ministers plan to tighten this test to ensure that only those with a direct link to the policy or decision can challenge.
There has been a huge surge of judicial review applications which have trebled in a decade. In 1974 there were 160 which had risen to 6,692 in 2007. That has now reached 12,000 — the vast majority related to immigration and asylum cases. Judges, the legal profession and other groups have warned that curbs on judicial review could lead to unlawful or bad government decisions going unchecked. But earlier this month Sir John Thomas, the senior judge who has since been appointed Lord Chief Justice, castigated law firms who allowed successive and meritless asylum challenges to be brought.
He said that failed asylum seekers shopped around to find a lawyer to take on what was often a hopeless case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism "Nazism, or National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, the first part pronounced as "Nazi"), is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism..." (my bold)
That would leave certain posters facing a DECADE of comments about Cammo either
1. Not being good enough to win an election vs Brown/Eds (yet still be PM for a DECADE)
2. Being PM for a DECADE and having to put up with the Tory nutjobs for the last 5 years of power.
Just how much more bitter and one-eyed could the PB postings become if so...... wonderful to think. Where do you go after face colour, sexism, fopism, chumism, posingism, posturisation....
If Ed M does win, 'we' PB Tories can start looking forward to the 'easy life' of attacking everything and offering nothing as we see currently from some PB-reds. Albeit some PB-reds were only attacking Tories with nothing to say on the Lab Govt even when Gordon was wondering around No. 10 supposedly running the country!
A good election for both sets of PB posters to lose then in 2015!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_at_Your_Convenience
https://twitter.com/NHAparty/status/358957369511796737/photo/1
"Dennis Canavan, chairman of Yes Scotland and former Labour MP and Independent MSP, made the comments less than a week after the birth of the Royal Family's newest member and third in line to the UK throne.
If the people of Scotland vote in favour of independence next year a second referendum should be held to decide the head of state, Mr Canavan said."
The unbroken seal to King Tutankhamun’s tomb. Egypt, 1922.
https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/360929058307051522/photo/1
If you know what you know now,would you touch it ;-)
YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO POST ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT JEREMY HUNT WITHOUT A 100% LINK TO BACK IT UP
"And what really ought to worry Labour is that 43 per cent say that the economy would be worse now had Labour won the 2010 election, against 32 per cent who say it would be better.
If Labour has not persuaded people by now that Osborne’s policy has failed – compared with what Labour would have done – then its economic credibility is a biscotte.
I suspect much of the Labour Party has lulled itself into a false sense of Swedenism* because some polls suggest that people think Osborne is an objectionable piece of work. Of course they do; he is a politician.
and he is currently in government. What this poll does, however, is to compare his policies with those of the other lot, had they been in the despised position of being in government.
If Labour haven’t persuaded the voters that things would have been better under them by now (and I’m one of the 32 per cent in that last question, incidentally), they are unlikely to do so by the time of the election, now that the economy is picking up a little. And if Labour cannot do that, it cannot win.
My column for The Independent on Sunday is mainly about how serious Cameron is about curbing the “free movement of workers” throughout the EU, but this reflects the rigour of the Cameron-Osborne focus on the job prospects and living standards of the “hard-working people” on whom the election will turn.
Labour’s current lead in the headline opinion-poll figures is misleading: Cameron is set to win again.
*Swedenism, n: The attribution to the electorate of generous social-democratic qualities."
If a pollster is very stable it may be a sign that their weighting is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Not sure when Chuck and Trigger take over despite wall to wall Witchell gushing that the people will be quite so enamoured.
If support drops when he takes over I expect a quick handover to the celebs. Had the Queen not had residual popularity in 1997 at Diana's death then the monarchy would have been in trouble despite MSM support.
..As regards the winner of the next election I am sure Labour will win by default and through an electoral system which is slanted in the party's favour. John Rentoul should remember that the Tories did not win in 2010, and if the could not win then, they will not win in 2015. Rentoul is part of the media attack on Miliband. This is the same man who supported Blair's illegal war on Iraq. I discount anything he says.