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''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
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I think Ruth Davidson should continue on as (Scottish) Tory leader. Scotland needs an opposition.0
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Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.0 -
taffys said:
''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
zkle4 said:
He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
I think backstory is overrated though perhaps the Conservative membership will go for it. Saying "My dad was a bus driver" doesn't really get you anything.kle4 said:
He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.0 -
Well it got Sadiq Khan the London Mayoral Nomination... ;-)Wanderer said:taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
zkle4 said:
He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
I think backstory is overrated though perhaps the Conservative membership will go for it. Saying "My dad was a bus driver" doesn't really get you anything.kle4 said:
He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.0 -
Here's a question. Does anyone know anyone in real life who is a really nice person, but nearly all of their friends are deeply unpleasant people?
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Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.0 -
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.0 -
Well, it's the over-sixties who voteflightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
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Hilary is 68, Corbyn is 66. It is the new 50s.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.0 -
One might have to admit to being one of those 'friends'..Tom said:Here's a question. Does anyone know anyone in real life who is a really nice person, but nearly all of their friends are deeply unpleasant people?
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CarlottaVance
Yes you Carlotta.
The press you cite follow their own bile against Salmond and the NATS which is why next to no-one reads them bar you.
You claimed the services war graves reception advertised in the parliamentary bulletin was an evening one. It wasn't. It was straight after decision time at 5pm but only one (ex Presiding Officer Ferguson) non SNP MSP turned up. No Ruthy Davidson, or Dugdale or Rennie. They all went home for tea rather than walk 50 yards to honour the war dead.
The press you cite won't report that of course but that doesn't excuse you changing the time of an event to try and make an anti Salmond point!0 -
Tease!Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
Liz Truss?0 -
Indeed. I did think that as I wrote it so I put it as 'know' rather than 'has a friend who is'. In my experience in most groups of friends there is usually one who is an obvious arsehole but everyone tolerates them because they've known them for years. Not sure I've ever come across it the other way round.Theuniondivvie said:
One might have to admit to being one of those 'friends'..Tom said:Here's a question. Does anyone know anyone in real life who is a really nice person, but nearly all of their friends are deeply unpleasant people?
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HeidiRichard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
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Morgan !? Wet as a haddock's bathing suit. She got the job because Cam wanted someone with ovaries that could be successfully house-trained at the DoE and not cause waves with the teachers.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.0 -
What polls is this article talking about ?
Polls show Labour could lose Oldham West and Royton to UKIP next Thursday but Mr Corbyn will now stay in London after his shadow cabinet threatened to resign on masse because he said the party would take a 'collective decision' over Syria.
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No.Tom said:
Here's a question. Does anyone know anyone in real life who is a really nice person, but nearly all of their friends are deeply unpleasant people?
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Anna Soubry. J'adoreRichard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.0 -
A hard trick to pull off as you have to like your friends.Plato_Says said:No.
Tom said:Here's a question. Does anyone know anyone in real life who is a really nice person, but nearly all of their friends are deeply unpleasant people?
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''Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.''
Personally, I'd prefer it if the conservative party was led by a conservative, as opposed to a closet socialist.
As you say though, it won;t be a nonentity. A clear, intelligent, unashamed, passionate right wing conservative voice might emerge from the EU in/out campaign.
One already exists, Michael Gove. But it won;t be him.0 -
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.0 -
Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.0
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there must be fair chance of Corbyn resigning by next week, it can't carry on like this for Labour, they will just implode0
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64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.0 -
Precisely. How on earth she has been completely missed - to the extent that there aren't even odds quoted on her, despite the fact that she's a cabinet minister and an Osborne protegé - is baffling.Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
Of course there is the little problemette that Hastings & Rye is not the safest of seats. But with boundary changes, that could be finessed.0 -
Theresa Villiers?Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.0 -
She could but I think she's should and will stay in Scotland. You could put yourself forward.TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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I'm not so sure. Labour backbenchers were spineless against Brown, and not much better against Miliband. I'd expect them to cave in before Corbyn finishes his changes to Labour's structures.kjohnw said:there must be fair chance of Corbyn resigning by next week, it can't carry on like this for Labour, they will just implode
And don't underestimate the fact that Corbyn's views do resonate with a proportion of the public. It's a small proportion, and nowhere near enough to get a majority, but they've been ignored for thirty years and they're hungry.
Unfortunately they're too busy attacking their opponents within the party than the Conservatives.0 -
This from someone who was recently a Labour MP.
https://twitter.com/MrTCHarris/status/6702010727288586240 -
They're all safe now.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. How on earth she has been completely missed - to the extent that there aren't even odds quoted on her, despite the fact that she's a cabinet minister and an Osborne protegé - is baffling.Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
Of course there is the little problemette that Hastings & Rye is not the safest of seats. But with boundary changes, that could be finessed.0 -
We need a Syrian civil war-style map of the allegiances of various groupings within Labour.
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Has Andy Burnham come out with any more pearls of wisdom recently ?0
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@steve_hawkes: At least one thing is constant in the Labour mess - Andy Burnham's indecision0
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Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.0 -
Oh ffs, everyone knows which Tory woman would make the best leader.tlg86 said:
Theresa Villiers?Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.0 -
Mr. Nabavi, could you back her under an 'Other' option?0
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Mr. Rentool, it's a tricky choice between Justine Greening and Priti Patel.0
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Sadly, I don't think any of the bookies will offer that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, could you back her under an 'Other' option?
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Hilary is 61, Hillary is 68. But I digress.Pulpstar said:
Hilary is 68, Corbyn is 66. It is the new 50s.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Mrs Clinton as the favourite for president never mind the nomination show a distinct paucity of talent in the Democrat Party. And it shows how useless the Republicans are at this time.0 -
I would describe that as an easy choice!Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rentool, it's a tricky choice between Justine Greening and Priti Patel.
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errr... 'but I don't think she should...'flightpath01 said:
She could but I think she's should and will stay in Scotland. You could put yourself forward.TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Indeed. Corbyn's nowhere near the bottom of the barrel if he's looking to fill posts after a mass Shadow Cabinet resignation. Which is highly unlikely anyway, as they're a collective of spineless cowards, terrified of deselection by Momentum.Pulpstar said:
Nah, shadow cabinet appointment for Jon Trickett and a promotion for Nandy to shadow Foreign sec.kjohnw said:there must be fair chance of Corbyn resigning by next week, it can't carry on like this for Labour, they will just implode
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According to Crick Corbyn has just returned to Westminster from Newcastle....wonder what urgent business took him there?TheScreamingEagles said:What polls is this article talking about ?
Polls show Labour could lose Oldham West and Royton to UKIP next Thursday but Mr Corbyn will now stay in London after his shadow cabinet threatened to resign on masse because he said the party would take a 'collective decision' over Syria.
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Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Labour is practically indestructible while (1) the unions back it (2) there is no other viable party of the left which can break through FPTP. So it is probably going to live to fight another day, as it has before.
But there is a scenario for its demise. (1) union funding fails because of the new legislation (2) UKIP breaks through FPTP and knocks out its working class core vote from the right (3) Labour self destructs so as to make room for a new party of the broad left.
What is astonishing about the last week or so is that we really do seem to be looking at the beginnings of (3). MPs are pitted against the leader who has the support of an activist mass membership. It's hard to see who can win this. If it's an existential fight to the death, it could be like the death of the Liberals as a party of government when Asquith and Lloyd George fell out and split the party, leaving room for their replacement by Labour.0 -
Skinner is waiting for a call...watford30 said:
Indeed. Corbyn's nowhere near the bottom of the barrel if he's looking to fill posts after a mass Shadow Cabinet resignation. Which is highly unlikely anyway, as they're a collective of spineless cowards, terrified of deselection by Momentum.Pulpstar said:
Nah, shadow cabinet appointment for Jon Trickett and a promotion for Nandy to shadow Foreign sec.kjohnw said:there must be fair chance of Corbyn resigning by next week, it can't carry on like this for Labour, they will just implode
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Danny Alexander would be more likely.TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Perhaps Amber Rudd's little outing into the limelight a week or two back might give a clue as to why she has been passed over by the punters. At best she has been completely house trained by her civil servants at worst she is terminally thick. Either way when it comes displaying leadership the expression, "Couldn't lead a squad of ducklings across a fire bucket" immediately springs to mind.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. How on earth she has been completely missed - to the extent that there aren't even odds quoted on her, despite the fact that she's a cabinet minister and an Osborne protegé - is baffling.Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
Of course there is the little problemette that Hastings & Rye is not the safest of seats. But with boundary changes, that could be finessed.
Of the younger generation of Conservative ladies I think Liz Truss is the one to watch.0 -
She could say she could have more influence for Scotland in Westminster.david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Indeed. Collar buttons. Let's talk about them... :-)flightpath01 said:Is that BBC picture the worst 'collar' for Corbyn yet?
On Tom's question, leaving aside whatever he's thinking of specifically, politics is odd in that you have loads of colleagues who you work with more or less cordially but you don't necessarily make many friends. If you agree with someone but don't much like him, you try not to let it get in the way.
Going to Parliament is very like attending a conference and going to various sessions - you see Fred in one and take the chance to have a ten-minute chat about a current issue, but in the evening you all go home to your separate places, far too tired to socialise. Friendships do tend to form on joint trips outside - Select Committees in particular, where people across party find themselves in Bogota trying to figure out how to get around. The affairs you read about (Major/Currie etc.) are the exception, not the rule.
As in all kinds of work you do make a few friends more or less by accident. The MP who I most admired personally was Oliver Letwin, with whose politics I had virtually nothing in common, and who arguably did fit Tom's description during the Thatcher years - really one of the nicest people I've ever met. I've never found a correlation between niceness and any political viewpoint.
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Alec Douglas-HomePlato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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I wasn't impressed by her the other week. House-trained and no leader to my eyes.HurstLlama said:
Perhaps Amber Rudd's little outing into the limelight a week or two back might give a clue as to why she has been passed over by the punters. At best she has been completely house trained by her civil servants at worst she is terminally thick. Either way when it comes displaying leadership the expression, "Couldn't lead a squad of ducklings across a fire bucket" immediately springs to mind.Richard_Nabavi said:
Precisely. How on earth she has been completely missed - to the extent that there aren't even odds quoted on her, despite the fact that she's a cabinet minister and an Osborne protegé - is baffling.Tissue_Price said:
Amber Rudd, obvs.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not Morgan.Wanderer said:
Could be. I think a rank outsider is very unlikely, given that the party is in government. They won't put a non-entity into number 10. Somebody in the cabinet though but not in one of the "great" offices? Morgan? She's said she's interested.taffys said:''He's the Osborne candidate with a better backstory than Osborne, if Osborne himself does not run, is how I think the theory goes. Needs to get his name out there in the next few years, I'd say.''
Whenever this is discussed, I always think that the real winner is still in the pack somewhere. I think Osborne will be detested by the right in 18 months time, and May has flaws. Boris lacks gravitas.
I'm keeping an eye on another woman, still (amazingly) completely off the radar.
Of course there is the little problemette that Hastings & Rye is not the safest of seats. But with boundary changes, that could be finessed.
Of the younger generation of Conservative ladies I think Liz Truss is the one to watch.0 -
Ref Labour and Syria, what seems strange is that there are only two options as far as the effects of the vote go - (1) oppose the government on a three-line whip, (2) accept that the air strikes will happen - so the debate between a free vote and support for the government is redundant: a free vote is tantamount to letting the government have its way, whatever benefits it might have for internal party unity.
The third option of putting down an amendment might finesse matters if it's another of the Millibandesque kick-the-can-down-the-road nature but wouldn't really conceal the fundamental divide between the interventionists and the pacifists and could only ever be a temporary solution.0 -
Really, Miss Plato, perhaps you are suffering from the same plague as me and are overdosing on the medicine. Douglas-Home was as Scottish as they come.Plato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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@Plato_Says Rudd or Truss ?0
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Oops. I forgot Arthur Balfour.
The Tories are quite open minded on our leaders. We even had a Canadian in charge once.0 -
I knew that was a brain-fart moment- I went completely blank.HurstLlama said:
Really, Miss Plato, perhaps you are suffering from the same plague as me and are overdosing on the medicine. Douglas-Home was as Scottish as they come.Plato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Yes but the May we see now will be over 4 years older in 2020. And who would be leader by 2025?david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Someone looking too young and inexperienced now will also be 4 years older in 2020.
George Osborne is 44.
PS May would be a safe pair of hands, but I do not see her being any more electorally fragrent than Osborne.0 -
Rudd. Just all deer in headlights and house-trained babble. Most disappointing. It really made an impression on me.
I like Truss.Pulpstar said:@Plato_Says Rudd or Truss ?
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Who decides if there is to be a three-line whip - Corbyn or the Shadow Cabinet?0
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Bonar Law was from a Scottish family but born in CanadaTheScreamingEagles said:
Alec Douglas-HomePlato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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And an American (well, half American)TheScreamingEagles said:Oops. I forgot Arthur Balfour.
The Tories are quite open minded on our leaders. We even had a Canadian in charge once.0 -
Even with the unions backing it, they're still struggling with their own existential crisis, arguably even without the trade union bill too.JenS said:Labour is practically indestructible while (1) the unions back it (2) there is no other viable party of the left which can break through FPTP. So it is probably going to live to fight another day, as it has before.
But there is a scenario for its demise. (1) union funding fails because of the new legislation (2) UKIP breaks through FPTP and knocks out its working class core vote from the right (3) Labour self destructs so as to make room for a new party of the broad left.
What is astonishing about the last week or so is that we really do seem to be looking at the beginnings of (3). MPs are pitted against the leader who has the support of an activist mass membership. It's hard to see who can win this. If it's an existential fight to the death, it could be like the death of the Liberals as a party of government when Asquith and Lloyd George fell out and split the party, leaving room for their replacement by Labour.
Union membership has probably fallen below 7 million this year, the abolition of 'check off', smaller unions dissolving leading to the death of industry specific unions (except in the public sector).
If the tories can stop nurses joining unions for professional indemnity and other minor legal aspects it'll get even worse.
Labour will be forced to find new paymasters soon out of necessity - I don't see this trend reversing any time soon.0 -
For a Leader who claimed he'd be all consensual/collegiate - Corbyn declares UDI more often than not.
I presume 3-liners are from his desk, but who decides them? His worst cronies pulling his willing strings.Richard_Nabavi said:Who decides if there is to be a three-line whip - Corbyn or the Shadow Cabinet?
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Miss Plato, it's odd. As a backbencher he continually disagreed with the leadership, and as leader he expects everyone to agree with him.
It's a startling lack of self-awareness.0 -
Turns out IDS was born in Scotland.
Another Scottish Tory leader.0 -
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry
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And Authur Wellesley was Irish, though he refused to accept it.Richard_Nabavi said:
And an American (well, half American)TheScreamingEagles said:Oops. I forgot Arthur Balfour.
The Tories are quite open minded on our leaders. We even had a Canadian in charge once.0 -
And an Irishman tooRichard_Nabavi said:
And an American (well, half American)TheScreamingEagles said:Oops. I forgot Arthur Balfour.
The Tories are quite open minded on our leaders. We even had a Canadian in charge once. 0 -
This is getting out of hand. Has there ever been an English Tory leaderTheScreamingEagles said:Turns out IDS was born in Scotland.
Another Scottish Tory leader. 0 -
Isn't universal credit the biggest change to the welfare system since 1945 ?TheScreamingEagles said:Turns out IDS was born in Scotland.
Another Scottish Tory leader.
Yet it's coming in as steathily as a Trident sub.0 -
@BBCAllegra: Just spoken to @fionamacmp who says it's wrong to say she has CALLED on Corbyn to go but YES she doesn't think he should stay on.
FFS, they can't even get this bit right...0 -
Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Plato, it's odd. As a backbencher he continually disagreed with the leadership, and as leader he expects everyone to agree with him.
It's a startling lack of self-awareness.
It's simple. He always thinks he's right.
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David William Donald Cameron.Wanderer said:
This is getting out of hand. Has there ever been an English Tory leaderTheScreamingEagles said:Turns out IDS was born in Scotland.
Another Scottish Tory leader.0 -
Hammond is so dull though. I don't see it. He's the *safe pair of hands* central casting would supply.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
Arguably Bonar Law too. Although he was born in New Brunswick (not then part of Canada), his family moved back to Scotland while he was a child.TheScreamingEagles said:
Alec Douglas-HomePlato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Poor Jez, he thinks he's a PB Tory. Because we're always right.MarkHopkins said:Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, it's odd. As a backbencher he continually disagreed with the leadership, and as leader he expects everyone to agree with him.
It's a startling lack of self-awareness.
It's simple. He always thinks he's right.0 -
@Mr_Eugenides: “Syria vote to be the last thing Labour Party ever does” - Daily Mash. Magnificent. https://t.co/yd1ij7vJda0
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Mr. Hopkins, as Asimov said: people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.0
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Agreed.Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry
And Tory MPs (97-01 excepted) are quite good at judging the right leader for the public mood......
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Wot, no Boris?Mortimer said:My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry
I pretty much agree with your top 5, but once you get down to your last three, there are many more potential contenders with an equally good or better chance IMO. It could well be one of those outsiders: there's time for others to come into the limelight, or to catch the attention of MPs before the public/party members have really noticed them.
It will, however, probably be a cabinet minister (unless there's a Leave vote), given that this is going to be an in-flight change of pilot.0 -
I like Soubry's no-nonsense manner, but not her politics. May gets my vote for now - she's got that tough gravitas and a high pain threshold when it comes to political hardball after all that time at Home Office.
Isn't she the longest serving Home Sec now?Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
Harold MacMillan's grandfather was the son of a Scottish crofter!Wanderer said:
Bonar Law was from a Scottish family but born in CanadaTheScreamingEagles said:
Alec Douglas-HomePlato_Says said:Have the Tories had a Scot as Party leader? I'm struggling.
david_herdson said:
Difficult. It'd depend on the result in Scotland but if the Tories do well, how does she justify jumping ship; if they don't, why would she be selected?TheScreamingEagles said:Were Zac to win next May, Ruth Davidson could be the Tory candidate in Richmond Park.
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Could Yeo have perjury charges as well?
http://order-order.com/2015/11/27/yeo-faces-met-perjury-probe/0 -
Anthony Eden: "half mad baronet, half beautiful woman"?Wanderer said:
This is getting out of hand. Has there ever been an English Tory leaderTheScreamingEagles said:Turns out IDS was born in Scotland.
Another Scottish Tory leader.0 -
Hopefully,dr_spyn said:Could Yeo have perjury charges as well?
http://order-order.com/2015/11/27/yeo-faces-met-perjury-probe/0 -
I am tempted by Sourby, but have held back, partly as there is no price on Betfair and also she is a known pro-europe person a la Ken Clarke. Can someone of those views get anywhere in a leadership election?Plato_Says said:I like Soubry's no-nonsense manner, but not her politics. May gets my vote for now - she's got that tough gravitas and a high pain threshold when it comes to political hardball after all that time at Home Office.
Isn't she the longest serving Home Sec now?Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
Nadine Dorries would be my choice.Plato_Says said:I like Soubry's no-nonsense manner, but not her politics. May gets my vote for now - she's got that tough gravitas and a high pain threshold when it comes to political hardball after all that time at Home Office.
Isn't she the longest serving Home Sec now?Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
64 is viable providing there are no health issues (which there aren't, as far as I'm aware). It's the same age Howard was in 2005 and the same age Callaghan was when he became PM in 1976 (and hence he was a good deal older going into his first election). Foot was 70 in 1983 and Corbyn, if he survives that long, would be 71. Hilary Benn, talked of as a potential replacement for Corbyn, will be 66 in 2020.flightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
@LeeJasper: Labour Shadow Cabinet must accept the view of 60% of @LabourParty members and oppose bombing of #Syria #SyriaStatement or face consequences0
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@BBCAllegra: What's significant about MacTaggart is that tho she didn't vote for him as leader... She supports him on Syria. And even so wants him out0
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Yes please.dr_spyn said:
Could Yeo have perjury charges as well?
http://order-order.com/2015/11/27/yeo-faces-met-perjury-probe/0 -
I don't think so. Assuming we vote Remain - she's on the wrong side of blanket.rottenborough said:
I am tempted by Sourby, but have held back, partly as there is no price on Betfair and also she is a known pro-europe person a la Ken Clarke. Can someone of those views get anywhere in a leadership election?Plato_Says said:I like Soubry's no-nonsense manner, but not her politics. May gets my vote for now - she's got that tough gravitas and a high pain threshold when it comes to political hardball after all that time at Home Office.
Isn't she the longest serving Home Sec now?Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
snipflightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
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(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
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As I said yesterday, it is beginning to look like there may be a leadership election sooner than we thought. Surely this can't go on?Scott_P said:@BBCAllegra: Just spoken to @fionamacmp who says it's wrong to say she has CALLED on Corbyn to go but YES she doesn't think he should stay on.
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Spoken like a true Kipper wanting to destroy the Tories!Sean_F said:
Nadine Dorries would be my choice.Plato_Says said:I like Soubry's no-nonsense manner, but not her politics. May gets my vote for now - she's got that tough gravitas and a high pain threshold when it comes to political hardball after all that time at Home Office.
Isn't she the longest serving Home Sec now?Wanderer said:
Ah, Hammond! I keep forgetting him but he's very plausible. Experienced, comes across as dull but a safe pair of hands, which could be right in line with the public mood.Mortimer said:
My order of likelihood for next Tory leader:Wanderer said:
Imo May would be very successful electorally.david_herdson said:
snipflightpath01 said:
Mrs May (bless her) will be 64 at the next election and thus 69 at the one after that. Is there any point to her being elected leader of the conservative party?Wanderer said:
There's no prospect of Ruth becoming an MP is there?Pulpstar said:
I can't see past George, Javid or May at the moment. Won't be Boris or Ruth.Alistair said:People tipping Ruth Davidson as next Tory leader probably thought Scott Walker was a lock for the Republican nomination
I think Boris will struggle to get into the final two.
I see May as holding the advantage over Osborne as she will be able to pose as more of a true Conservative / get back to our roots candidate. Osborne will be continuity with reduced voter appeal. Also, won't the mere prospect of a stern-faced female leader send a shiver of excitement up the grassroots Tory spine?
Not sure about Javid as in I don't really get why he's in the frame.
Of course, you can argue that all those other leaders lost and that's true but age wasn't a particular reason for their losses. Besides, if it is May vs Corbyn (or Benn), one of them is almost certain to win.
Osborne
Hammond
May
(Javid) - only if Osbo doesn't run
(Paterson) - only if EU vote is leave
Truss
Mordaunt
Soubry0 -
Mr. F, steady on. I think Yeo's wrong about global warming but perjury's a bit over the top.0
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Hattie started all this nonsense during the Labour leadership contestTheScreamingEagles said:@LeeJasper: Labour Shadow Cabinet must accept the view of 60% of @LabourParty members and oppose bombing of #Syria #SyriaStatement or face consequences
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