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How the I is front-paging LAB's division over Syria
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FPT:
We must always remember the names of Mohammad Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Germaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain, the four young men who died on 7/7.
They gave their lives so others might die.
The bastards.
They gave nothing so that their party might die.
Nick Palmer should feel ashamed for his choice of Labour leader this morning. He and 250,000 others knowingly put apologists for and supporters of cold blooded murderers in charge of their party. In doing so they have made it unelectable, disenfranchised millions of centre left voters and taken away any hope that an alternative to this Tory government might get a hearing.
They are contemptible; not only for their self indulgence, but also for their tolerance of what is now being said and done in Labour's name. Sorry to be personal, but if you are a Labour member and you are not genuinely sickened by what has happened over the last 24 hours then you are a lot worse than a mere useful idiot.
This is indicative of the deeper problem. The vile cancer that Labour has nurtured in its bosom for decades is now exposed to the general public and the damage will be permanent.
If Dave had any sense, he'd put on his best union Jack underpants and get up there, pronto.
The last thing he wants is UKIP actually winning.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/669998484490162176
Will make Labour's internal machinations even more fun.
The sort of gratuitous self-harm they are indulging in at the moment is a petulant reaction to the voters not wanting the last idiot they tried to foist on them, so they are thumbing their noses at the electorate "You thought Miliband was bad, wait until you get a load of this!".
• press ahead with the privatisation of the Green Investment Bank with a sale
expected to be concluded during 2016-17 [Already Announced]
• explore the sale of the government’s 49% shareholding in NATS (air traffic
services)
• consult on options to move operations of the Land Registry to the private sector
from 2017
• develop options to bring private capital into the Ordnance Survey before 2020
Sadly no move on Channel 4 yet, which is annoying because this would be the perfect time to gut it. At least they finished the job with Royal Mail - which with continued letter decline & parcel competition is probably a permanent move.
Though playing on Electoral Calculus I see that Labour have 150 seats on 20% of the vote and 100 on 16%. They will be the official opposition for a while yet, at least until another left wing party emerges.
Frankly extinction as SDP version 2 is preferrable to extinction as Corbynite Labour.
I hope people keep throwing insults at me on here and across the country in general, you're helping enormously.
"support for UKIP is solid and growing"
Pft. Don't be ridiculous.
If you want to bet that UKIP will get more votes in OW&R than they did in May, I'll happily offer you decent odds.
According to the BBC there will be mass resignations from the Labour Front Bench today. I wonder! Labour MP's, indeed any MP's, have a poor record of resigning on principle these days. Most having no principles or beliefs to start with.
The only people who can evict him are the people who elected him. That would take a contested election of Corbyn vs AN Other, going out to an election by the membership that Corbyn then loses. Anything else means a worsening of the Labour civil war.
But as the Lib Dems have shown, getting an increase in protest vote matters little in the long term unless you increase your core support. They gained large numbers of mainly ex-Labour voters from 2005, but these were fairweather friends who abandoned them with remarkable speed.
A party likes UKIP needs to grow both its core support as well as its general, fairweather support. The core are more likely to get out, both to vote and to help.
As for people throwing insults: if you're getting insults from across the country you should perhaps consider if some of them have a point ...
Rochford (Rochford) result:
LAB: 32.4% (-16.0)
CON: 32.0% (-19.5)
UKIP: 24.4% (+24.4)
LDEM: 11.1% (+11.1)
Labour GAIN
On mornings like this and after admiring my avatar once again, there's only one place to go:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
They are political amoeba.
Well done.
Carnforth & Millhead (Lancaster) result:
CON: 54.9% (+6.9)
LAB: 32.3% (-2.8)
GRN: 5.2% (-11.7)
LDEM: 3.8% (+3.8)
UKIP: 3.7% (+3.7)
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@MSmithsonPB More importantly they want to keep Corbyn in situ for as long as possible.
Retweeted by Mike Smithson
Con gain from LD - go farron!
"Labour is angry, resentful...."
No. Some elements of the Labour Party membership might be. But not the millions of voters who want a sensible, centre-left party to vote for. Lab will never get it right until they get that.
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@AGKD123 It's a shame Abbott and Livingstone don't distribute the food and alcohol more equitably between each other.
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@MikeGapes @RossFootball @seanjmcg Essentially the Labour Party is led by 4/5 terrorist sympathisers Corbyn/McD's useful idiots must see now
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@Kevin_Maguire He's a prick who is damaging the Labour Party every day he's in position.You know that, so stop pandering.
Although personally I think the Conservative leadership is (still) acting on the lessons they've taken away from the 1990s and not how politics is going to be in the 2020s, which will be very different.
As bad as Senators Gruening and Morse.
They were the only two Senators that voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in 1962, which authorised the US involvement in the Vietnam War. They lost 88-2.
They suffered a tidal wave of abuse and both lost their seats at the next set of elections.
Of course, it all looks very different now ... Gruening and Morse are lauded as heroes, standing up against a jingoistic President and US public.
I suspect that Corbyn has called this right, and it will look different even in a years time.
I also suspect this is the worst of all fights that the Labour Right could have picked with the leadership.
https://www.politicshome.com/foreign-and-defence/articles/story/jeremy-corbyn-declares-war-his-shadow-cabinet-over-syria#sthash.Cm6xDcxW.dpuf
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Labour aren't so much jumping the shark or nuking the fridge, as putting the shark in the fridge and then nuking it whilst the Fonz water-skis over the mushroom cloud.
1. Labour Party split over Corbyn. Deselections cause moderate Labour MPs to set up SDP MK 2. Supersedes the Labour Party at the next election. Becomes official opposition and forms a government at a subsequent election.
2. Labour Party implodes electorally letting UKIP seize a hold in the North of England. A turbulent EU Referendum campaign leads to a narrow victory for in but people are far from pleased and decamp to UKIP, SNP-style, so much so that they supersede Labour and become the official opposition. And a government at a subsequent election when the Tories slip up.
3. A very long shot, but Lib Dem comeback?
I'm not saying any of these things are particularly likely, but given the parlous state of Labour they've got to be possible?
@nedsimons: Hilary Benn says the UN 'could not have been clearer' that action should be taken against Isis. #r4today
But not Syria. In fact it is a reverse-Iraq as effectively we will be sustaining the incumbent tyrant.
We have a group who have declared a caliphate and aim to fulfil the aspirations of Qutb, et al waging global jihad, er, globally.
This is not a war of imperialism. It is a war both to interdict and deplete IS. And to make people think twice if they fancy going there to join them.
Translation. I want to be the next leader when the dust settles from the coming implosion
Or a bit of both.
Something smells wrong and putsch-like but yes, if that is what the Labour Party and supporters want or can't be bothered to oppose then I have no quarrel.
But if people like SO and tim, for heaven's sake, are opposed, I have got to believe that Jezza is unrepresentative of Lab supporters as a whole. We shall see.
Coruscating is not the half of it.
The non-intervention that has given a free pass which has left hundreds of thousands dying, facilitated acts of genocide, charity worker beheadings, homosexuals being thrown off buildings, a million refugees landing in Europe, terrorist attacks spreading through Africa, the Middle East and into Europe will continue to be ignored as contrary evidence that perhaps they were wrong.