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The Bishop of Chichester George Bell was celebrated in a BBC Radio Great Lives programme a couple of years ago for a wartime speech in the House of Lords condemning the bombing of German civilians. Bell was no pacifist but he argued that “ to justify methods inhumane in themselves by arguments of expediency smacks of the Nazi philosophy that Might is Right.” The speech was made in February 1944, months before Allied boots landed on the ground in Normandy.
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The man's name is Jones, not Brennan...
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Looks like Don might be beginning to smell the coffee.
Was Ken Livingstone's appointment badly handled? That depends on what you think the appointment was intended to achieve. If, as I think was the case, the appointment was intended to undermine, humiliate, and demoralise the Shadow Defence Secretary and others trying to hold the line against the Marxist infiltatrators who have taken over the party, then it was a great success.0 -
Corbyn is just inept, there is no coherent strategy on any issue.
The economy, police numbers, NHS, these are issues he should be hammering the government on, instead he is doing bizarre interviews where he talks about his personal hobbies and comes out with utter nonsense about shoot-to-kill (hey, I'm no fan of this policy but how else do you cope with a terrorist attack than by authorising the police to do whatever is necessary to protect public safety?).0 -
Fixed now, these things happen now and againRodCrosby said:The man's name is Jones, not Brennan...
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The name is W .... JackW
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Puppet master stuff for Corbyn too. He's not in charge of anything - it's Ken/McIRA and their croniesRichard_Nabavi said:
Looks like Don might be beginning to smell the coffee.
Was Ken Livingstone's appointment badly handled? That depends on what you think the appointment was intended to achieve. If, as I think was the case, the appointment was intended to humiliate and demoralise the Shadow Defence Secretary and others trying to hold the line against the Marxist infiltatrators who have taken over the party, then it was a great success.0 -
As for the use of drones, it's seems rather optimistic to think that, if we don't use them, the jihadists won't if they get the chance.0
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Blimey, a Jeremy is Crap thread by Don Brind – I think I need a lie down.0
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I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.
I thought he'd have a honeymoon for a while, but this is turning into the honeymoon where your wife finds out you've slept with her sister, best mate, and her mother, concurrently.0 -
If Corbyn genuinely believes in what he is saying and doing then he has my respect, but he must realise he'll never be PM, not enough share his views. This is from the Freedom Association website
Seven Principles of a Free Society
Individual Freedom
Personal and Family Responsibility
The Rule of Law
Limited Government
Free Market Economy
National Parliamentary Democracy
Strong National Defences
I share those views but its unlikely I'll ever be PM either.0 -
NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
I'm getting the impression he doesn't like Ken too much.
After skipping the first eight paragraphs, we got to a bit of meat.SimonStClare said:Blimey, a Jeremy is Crap thread by Don Brind – I think I need a lie down.
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I didn't think he would be wandering across the political landscape so ineptly. His whole brand is (or was) that he says what he thinks and is a conviction politician, instead on a whole bunch of issues he either doesn't have a stance, or he says something and then has to backtrack a day or two later.TheScreamingEagles said:I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.
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Or in @Casino-Royale's Conservative circles all at once and twice on Sunday !!TheScreamingEagles said:I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.
I thought he'd have a honeymoon for a while, but this is turning into the honeymoon where your wife finds out you've slept with her sister, best mate, and her mother, concurrently.
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Reports the Mali attackers spoke English to one another...0
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All too late. Even if Corbyn were to go now, the parasite that has taken over the Labour party and it's operations is too deeply embedded.Richard_Nabavi said:Looks like Don might be beginning to smell the coffee.
...snip...
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and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
Reports the Mali attackers spoke English to one another...
More brummy accents???
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I disagree with Don Brind that Ken Livingstone's appointment was a bad appointment and I disagree that Jeremy Corbyn handled it badly. Jeremy Corbyn is seeking to wrest control over the decision-making on Trident and he has chosen an effective route to achieve this.
Ken Livingstone behaved appallingly, but the power grab was a smart idea from Jeremy Corbyn's perspective.0 -
We heard ages ago that Jezza doesn't do confrontation, he walks away or goes for Let's Chat About This.
It's the hard-men around him that do all the bidding.DanSmith said:
I didn't think he would be wandering across the political landscape so ineptly. His whole brand is (or was) that he says what he thinks and is a conviction politician, instead on a whole bunch of issues he either doesn't have a stance, or he says something and then has to backtrack a day or two later.TheScreamingEagles said:I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.
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A "Drone" seems a rather unkind reflection on Don Brind's thread about the Jezzbollah jihadists.Richard_Nabavi said:As for the use of drones, it's seems rather optimistic to think that, if we don't use them, the jihadists won't if they get the chance.
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Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
Richard Murray, director of policy at The King's Fund, said: "Today's figures show the NHS is in the grip of an unprecedented financial meltdown.
"Deficits on this scale cannot be attributed to mismanagement or inefficiency. Quite simply, it is no longer possible for the vast majority of NHS providers to maintain standards of care and balance their budgets.
"If the Chancellor needed a wake-up call ahead of next week's Spending Review, this is it. The scale of the deficits provides yet more evidence that the additional funding promised by the government is needed sooner rather than later. If this is not forthcoming, the government should be honest with the public that the outcome will be an accelerating decline in standards of care."
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80 of 170 hostages freed
France's national gendarme service says about 50 elite police troops are en route from Paris to Bamako.
A spokesman for the service who was not authorized to be publicly named said they are heading Friday from two different units of special police forces trained for emergency situations. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12006988/Mali-Bamako-terrorist-attack-170-hostages-Paris-live.html#update-20151120-12220 -
Drones are probably the least of our worries, given that it appears ISIS may have chemical weapons, at least according to the French.JackW said:
A "Drone" seems a rather unkind reflection on Don Brind's thread about the Jezzbollah jihadists.Richard_Nabavi said:As for the use of drones, it's seems rather optimistic to think that, if we don't use them, the jihadists won't if they get the chance.
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What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
I thought conference had made a decision on Trident and it now can't be revisited for two years?AlastairMeeks said:I disagree with Don Brind that Ken Livingstone's appointment was a bad appointment and I disagree that Jeremy Corbyn handled it badly. Jeremy Corbyn is seeking to wrest control over the decision-making on Trident and he has chosen an effective route to achieve this.
Ken Livingstone behaved appallingly, but the power grab was a smart idea from Jeremy Corbyn's perspective.0 -
Not a problem. Tony Blair can magic up a 45 minute warning for the nation.rottenborough said:
Drones are probably the least of our worries, given that it appears ISIS may have chemical weapons, at least according to the French.JackW said:
A "Drone" seems a rather unkind reflection on Don Brind's thread about the Jezzbollah jihadists.Richard_Nabavi said:As for the use of drones, it's seems rather optimistic to think that, if we don't use them, the jihadists won't if they get the chance.
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Performance crashes as NHS racks up £1.6bn half-year deficit
www.nationalhealthexecutive.com/.../provider-performance-crashes-as-s...
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Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people and looking at prescription charges for type 2 diabetics.0 -
I don't know how the NHS runs but I have two comments to make:bigjohnowls said:Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
Richard Murray, director of policy at The King's Fund, said: "Today's figures show the NHS is in the grip of an unprecedented financial meltdown.
"Deficits on this scale cannot be attributed to mismanagement or inefficiency. Quite simply, it is no longer possible for the vast majority of NHS providers to maintain standards of care and balance their budgets.
"If the Chancellor needed a wake-up call ahead of next week's Spending Review, this is it. The scale of the deficits provides yet more evidence that the additional funding promised by the government is needed sooner rather than later. If this is not forthcoming, the government should be honest with the public that the outcome will be an accelerating decline in standards of care."
Awaits measured response (denial) from usual suspects especially to the 2nd paragraph
1. Any organisation which trains its own staff and then they leave and it employs them as temporary labour at vastly increased costs is grossly incompetent.
2. I recently spent 36 hours in A&E. The medical care was great. But I have never seen any organisation where so many staff walk from one place to another and then back again over several hours. The logistics of the hospital appear rubbish. (or they are shirking: my prior experience is that people who walk around all the time tend to avoid work).
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If an organisation is running out of money it sets priorities and saves money by not doing the least important tasks. From what I see, the NHS does not attempt to.
Impressions only.. But no doubt you can tell me why I am wrong..0 -
What is needed us a coherent military strategy to defeat ISIS on the ground involving the FSA, the Kurds, Shia militias, Western special forces, neighbouring Arab nations and even Assad0
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They would appear to be rubbish at their job.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes0
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Well, it certainly looks like the UN will not be blocking this kind of move, although you need to add Russian to the mix I think.HYUFD said:What is needed us a coherent military strategy to defeat ISIS on the ground involving the FSA, the Kurds, Shia militias, Western special forces, neighbouring Arab nations and even Assad
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He is polling about the same as IDS, if a little higher at this stage and IDS also won 60% of his party's membershipTheScreamingEagles said:I thought Corbyn would be a disaster for Labour, but I didn't think it would be this bad, so soon.
I thought he'd have a honeymoon for a while, but this is turning into the honeymoon where your wife finds out you've slept with her sister, best mate, and her mother, concurrently.0 -
97% of Acutes are in deficit.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people and looking at prescription charges for type 2 diabetics.
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The strategy seems to be one of carry on as per usual, racking up huge losses and deficits, whilst clamouring for more cash to fill the hole.madasafish said:
...snip..bigjohnowls said:Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
Richard Murray, director of policy at The King's Fund, said: "Today's figures show the NHS is in the grip of an unprecedented financial meltdown.
"Deficits on this scale cannot be attributed to mismanagement or inefficiency. Quite simply, it is no longer possible for the vast majority of NHS providers to maintain standards of care and balance their budgets.
"If the Chancellor needed a wake-up call ahead of next week's Spending Review, this is it. The scale of the deficits provides yet more evidence that the additional funding promised by the government is needed sooner rather than later. If this is not forthcoming, the government should be honest with the public that the outcome will be an accelerating decline in standards of care."
Awaits measured response (denial) from usual suspects especially to the 2nd paragraph
If an organisation is running out of money it sets priorities and saves money by not doing the least important tasks. From what I see, the NHS does not attempt to.
I've spent time in the last month with a close relative who received shockingly awful treatment at the hands of the NHS.
They'd have died without the outstanding care they received privately.
And indifferent and uncaring Junior doctors have the brass neck to strike?!
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Like you at trolling TBFwatford30 said:
They would appear to be rubbish at their job.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
You could double NHS spending and there'd still be problems, too many people spending other people's money. And too many still believe that NHS workers pay tax.0
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12006988/Mali-Bamako-terrorist-attack-170-hostages-Paris-live.html#update-20151120-1247
A building contractor who works at the Radisson hotel in Bamako has told the Daily Telegraph:
"When I was going to the hotel in the morning, I saw people arriving in a diplomatic vehicle. There were three with guns. They killed the security guards oustide the hotel and took their weapons. And then they went inside. And I heard more shooting."
The man then fled for his own safety.0 -
700,000 support staff.bigjohnowls said:190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes
Lots of 'efficiencies' to be had.0 -
Stop burdening the NHS with social care of elderly when it should be being properly done by another arm of government with proper social/private insurance for long-term elderly needs.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people and looking at prescription charges for type 2 diabetics.
This is one of the NHS's biggest problems IMHO and frankly it is an f**ing disgrace that successive governments have got away with doing practically nothing about it except cut local government funding. We need a grown up conversation with the public about funding this is some sensible way.0 -
Your name vill alzo go on zee list. Vot is it ?MaxPB said:
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people ...bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
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I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.rottenborough said:
I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
£1.1bn of savings achieved so far from Acutes but dont let the facts affect your denial.watford30 said:
The strategy seems to be one of carry on as per usual, racking up huge losses and deficits, whilst clamouring for more cash to fill the hole.madasafish said:
...snip..bigjohnowls said:Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
Richard Murray, director of policy at The King's Fund, said: "Today's figures show the NHS is in the grip of an unprecedented financial meltdown.
"Deficits on this scale cannot be attributed to mismanagement or inefficiency. Quite simply, it is no longer possible for the vast majority of NHS providers to maintain standards of care and balance their budgets.
"If the Chancellor needed a wake-up call ahead of next week's Spending Review, this is it. The scale of the deficits provides yet more evidence that the additional funding promised by the government is needed sooner rather than later. If this is not forthcoming, the government should be honest with the public that the outcome will be an accelerating decline in standards of care."
Awaits measured response (denial) from usual suspects especially to the 2nd paragraph
If an organisation is running out of money it sets priorities and saves money by not doing the least important tasks. From what I see, the NHS does not attempt to.0 -
Best known for playing Jeremy in Peep Show.Plato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
We have 10 million unemployed or economically inactive working age citizens.rottenborough said:
Stop burdening the NHS with social care of elderly when it should be being properly done by another arm of government with proper social/private insurance for long-term elderly needs.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people and looking at prescription charges for type 2 diabetics.
This is one of the NHS's biggest problems IMHO and frankly it is an f**ing disgrace that successive governments have got away with doing practically nothing about it except cut local government funding. We need a grown up conversation with the public about funding this is some sensible way.
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Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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He is in the Peep Show, Channel 4 and many other things. He had a quite a high profile in the run-up to the election arguing for Lab e.g. writing articles and being on twitter and all that.Plato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
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Thanks - still no idea. I noticed that Peep Show is now on its final season in advertorials - not my cuppa tea.not_on_fire said:
Best known for playing Jeremy in Peep Show.Plato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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Yes they will have to be involvedrottenborough said:
Well, it certainly looks like the UN will not be blocking this kind of move, although you need to add Russian to the mix I think.HYUFD said:What is needed is a coherent military strategy to defeat ISIS on the ground involving the FSA, the Kurds, Shia militias, Western special forces, neighbouring Arab nations and even Assad
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I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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Although I agree, what arguments SHOULD Labour be making?SouthamObserver said:Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
I agree completely.
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'Trolling' = Criticising your religion. The cult of the NHS.bigjohnowls said:
Like you at trolling TBFwatford30 said:
They would appear to be rubbish at their job.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
Telegraph - "France has carried out 793 searches since state of emergency declared
The French interior ministry says they have carried out 793 searches, 107 arrests leading to 90 people being remanded in custody since the start of the state of emergency on Saturday.
In all, 174 weapons have been found, including 18 "weapons of war", along with 64 drugs seizures and 250,000 euros in cash. Some 164 people have been consigned to their residence.
On the night of Thursday alone, police carried out 182 new raids, 20 arrests and 17 people were remanded in custody. Some 76 weapons were seized."
They've been busy...0 -
Not all Corbyn's views are wrong, nor even his instincts. Some are, I feel, by a large margin, too many, but he's not without merit entirely. But his timing and nuance seem dreadful even when he has a point more than a select few would share, and he doesn't seem to know when lots might agree with him if he phrased it right and when virtually no one will no matter what, so he gets it wrong sometimes when he doesn't have to. Other times he cannot help it though when he is massively out of step with opinion. Not that public opinion is always right, but he genuinely seems unable to predict when his comments will be supported widely or not, as like most extremists he seems to think everything he says is supported by all right thinking people, even when electorally that is not backed up.0
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NHS for a start. Tories can't blame anyone else now. They've had five years and a massive re-org.blackburn63 said:
Although I agree, what arguments SHOULD Labour be making?SouthamObserver said:Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
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ISIS haven't been too clever keeping their cells as cells given all this.
More power to the French for blitzing here. I do like their SWATish moniker RAID - much better.SimonStClare said:Telegraph - "France has carried out 793 searches since state of emergency declared
The French interior ministry says they have carried out 793 searches, 107 arrests leading to 90 people being remanded in custody since the start of the state of emergency on Saturday.
In all, 174 weapons have been found, including 18 "weapons of war", along with 64 drugs seizures and 250,000 euros in cash. Some 164 people have been consigned to their residence.
On the night of Thursday alone, police carried out 182 new raids, 20 arrests and 17 people were remanded in custody. Some 76 weapons were seized."
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Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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Illustrating the point that Sir John Major made a week or so ago:
Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 51m51 minutes ago
Women in parts of Birmingham live 46.1 years in good health - lowest in England http://ow.ly/USD6G
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Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 36m36 minutes ago
Women in parts of Westminster live 78.3 years in good health - highest in England http://ow.ly/USEzU
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Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 22m22 minutes ago
Men in parts of Salford live 46.3 years in good health - lowest in England http://ow.ly/USH89
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Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 1h1 hour ago
Men in parts of Kensington & Chelsea live 80.2 years in good health - highest in England http://ow.ly/USAwD
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Those gaps are just astounding and appalling.0 -
Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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Maybe - they can certainly try to blame Labour (Brown pulled out the 'last Tory government' excuse a couple of times 13 years after the last one!), but even though Labour haveb wolf a lot, the Tories are still vulnerable there. Really the economic failings of Osborne would normally be the best bet now we are 5 years from the last Labour gov, but obviously it's harder to argue the government failed to meet their target when you don't care about that target.rottenborough said:
NHS for a start. Tories can't blame anyone else now. They've had five years and a massive re-org.blackburn63 said:
Although I agree, what arguments SHOULD Labour be making?SouthamObserver said:Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
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That's 182 in the whole of France though - any idea how that compares to a normal Thursday night?SimonStClare said:Telegraph - "France has carried out 793 searches since state of emergency declared
The French interior ministry says they have carried out 793 searches, 107 arrests leading to 90 people being remanded in custody since the start of the state of emergency on Saturday.
In all, 174 weapons have been found, including 18 "weapons of war", along with 64 drugs seizures and 250,000 euros in cash. Some 164 people have been consigned to their residence.
On the night of Thursday alone, police carried out 182 new raids, 20 arrests and 17 people were remanded in custody. Some 76 weapons were seized."
They've been busy...0 -
When exactly will PB Tories look closer to home for the fact that 99% of the deficits are in the Acute sector whereas Commissioners (to whom Lansley gave all the money) are in surplus and continuing to line their own pocketschestnut said:
700,000 support staff.bigjohnowls said:190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes
Lots of 'efficiencies' to be had.
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His wife is very pleasant though!Plato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
NHS is the topic, what is the argument?rottenborough said:
NHS for a start. Tories can't blame anyone else now. They've had five years and a massive re-org.blackburn63 said:
Although I agree, what arguments SHOULD Labour be making?SouthamObserver said:Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
I agree completely.
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Numpty Post Of The Day.edmundintokyo said:
That's 182 in the whole of France though - any idea how that compares to a normal Thursday night?SimonStClare said:Telegraph - "France has carried out 793 searches since state of emergency declared
The French interior ministry says they have carried out 793 searches, 107 arrests leading to 90 people being remanded in custody since the start of the state of emergency on Saturday.
In all, 174 weapons have been found, including 18 "weapons of war", along with 64 drugs seizures and 250,000 euros in cash. Some 164 people have been consigned to their residence.
On the night of Thursday alone, police carried out 182 new raids, 20 arrests and 17 people were remanded in custody. Some 76 weapons were seized."
They've been busy...0 -
Whilst I agree with your main point, it's a bit silly of Jamie Jenkins to use Westminster and K & C as examples - they are extremely special cases with characteristics which distort the figures.AlastairMeeks said:Those gaps are just astounding and appalling.
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So you admit Trolling.watford30 said:
'Trolling' = Criticising your religion. The cult of the NHS.bigjohnowls said:
Like you at trolling TBFwatford30 said:
They would appear to be rubbish at their job.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
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Labour also has its' own problems on the NHS.rottenborough said:
NHS for a start. Tories can't blame anyone else now. They've had five years and a massive re-org.blackburn63 said:
Although I agree, what arguments SHOULD Labour be making?SouthamObserver said:Basically, to paraphrase Don: there are currently many opportunities for a decent, credible opposition to make a mark, to hold the government to account and to strike a chord with the electorate; but because Corbyn Labour is not a decent, credible opposition this is not happening.
I agree completely.
Generally their lack of credibility on the economy that directly results in the funding of the service but more specifically at the general election Labour refused to commit to the additional spending required to maintain the NHS.
Notwithstanding that the Conservative government needs to come up with some radical reforms and funding formula for the NHS and social care before the demographic time bomb detonates under the whole system.
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which of those many sides are going to be in charge when it's finished?HYUFD said:What is needed is a coherent military strategy to defeat ISIS on the ground involving the FSA, the Kurds, Shia militias, Western special forces, neighbouring Arab nations and even Assad
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Victoria Coren is delightful – but disturbingly bright. they make a good pair.nigel4england said:
His wife is very pleasant though!Plato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
The NHS is, regrettably, stuck in the 20th century. It's the last of the great dinosaur bureaucracies.bigjohnowls said:
When exactly will PB Tories look closer to home for the fact that 99% of the deficits are in the Acute sector whereas Commissioners (to whom Lansley gave all the money) are in surplus and continuing to line their own pocketschestnut said:
700,000 support staff.bigjohnowls said:190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes
Lots of 'efficiencies' to be had.
#Conflictofinterest
I have had personal cause to deal with it in two different capacities - one as a patient - in the last six months.
I see processes, behaviours and communications which have no place in the 21st century; things that other less zealously defended parts of the public sector consigned to the dustbin twenty years ago.
I half expect to encounter people with quill pens and ink wells.
I'd target a 350,000 reduction in it's support payroll.
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True though if you only watched Tory voting actors and comedians you would be stuck with Jim Davidson, Bill Roache, Joan Collins, Jimmy Tarbuck and Adam Rickett!Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
NHS?
Just let me know if the left get too rowdy and I'll play the Wales card.
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No, I'm criticising your cult.bigjohnowls said:
So you admit Trolling.watford30 said:
'Trolling' = Criticising your religion. The cult of the NHS.bigjohnowls said:
Like you at trolling TBFwatford30 said:
They would appear to be rubbish at their job.MaxPB said:
Fire 50% of the managers.bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html
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Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do know though; a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
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Simon Evans, Mickey Flanagan, Michael McIntyreHYUFD said:
True though if you only watched Tory voting actors and comedians you would be stuck with Jim Davidson, Bill Roache, Joan Collins, Jimmy Tarbuck and Adam Rickett!Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
I pay ZERO attention to actors playing politics - and doubly so those appearing in mawkish charity advert - Yes you, Bill Nighy.
I totally understand luvvies who don't vote Labour being very quiet about it. You forgot Cilla and Gary Barlow - she got loads of stick for it. Why bother?HYUFD said:
True though if you only watched Tory voting actors and comedians you would be stuck with Jim Davidson, Ken Roache, Jimmy Tarbuck and Adam Rickett!Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.0 -
Don't tell him!JackW said:
Your name vill alzo go on zee list. Vot is it ?MaxPB said:
Longer term we need to look at ending life extending treatment on the NHS for very old people ...bigjohnowls said:
What is your solution?DaemonBarber said:
and yet we're expected to give Jr Drs a pay rise?bigjohnowls said:NHS trusts in England have declared the worst financial performance in the history of the health service, with fears some hospitals will run out of cash to pay staff.
New figures from NHS regulators revealed a deficit of £1.6bn, with projections the figure will reach £2.2bn by the end of the financial year.
Experts told the Telegraph that the situation is now so bleak that there are fears that over the next year, some hospitals will be unable to pay their staff.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12005483/NHS-faces-worst-financial-crisis-in-its-history.html0 -
not really - according to BJO the same £1 would have bought you a pint last year.OldKingCole said:
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
and it is now cheaper to make the pint, and your £1 has gone up above inflation.0 -
do you think John Cleese still supports the lib dems (actually, did he? or did he only declare for the SDP?Alliance?)Plato_Says said:I pay ZERO attention to actors playing politics - and doubly so those appearing in mawkish charity advert - Yes you, Bill Nighy.
I totally understand luvvies who don't vote Labour being very quiet about it. You forgot Cilla and Gary Barlow - she got loads of stick for it. Why bother?HYUFD said:
True though if you only watched Tory voting actors and comedians you would be stuck with Jim Davidson, Ken Roache, Jimmy Tarbuck and Adam Rickett!Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!0 -
Gerry Robinson found some solutions.
' I think what the NHS needs to learn is that actually you don’t solve problems by throwing money at it, and not every problem actually needs money to solve it. That’s the first lesson. Secondly, to get out of their heads the idea that things have to take three years to do and get into the idea that there is a series of objectives that we need to do now, and that we’ve got months, not years to do it. Those two things, I think, would have the biggest single impact on the way that the Health Service is managed.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_Gerry_Robinson_Fix_the_NHS?0 -
Given that Mr Owls retired early, on a fat pension shows how taxpayers money is being drained from the NHS by no-longer-present-expenpushers.DaemonBarber said:
not really - according to BJO the same £1 would have bought you a pint last year.OldKingCole said:
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
and it is now cheaper to make the pint, and you £1 has gone up above inflation.0 -
I wonder if Stephen Fry will follow Robert Webb's example. In the past Fry has been very critical of Hamas.0
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Parallel universeDaemonBarber said:
not really - according to BJO the same £1 would have bought you a pint last year.OldKingCole said:
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
and it is now cheaper to make the pint, and your £1 has gone up above inflation.0 -
As I understand it, something like 10% of the population account for something like 70% of the nation's healthcare costs. That 10% are, by and large, the elderly. As we as a nation get older, healthcare costs will rise in step with that ageing.
It follows that any spending plan for the NHS linked to inflation (including healthcare inflation) is doomed to failure because the problem is not so much one of inflation but of demography. But we don't seem remotely ready yet for a discussion about what level of spending we are willing to put into healthcare or how that is going to be paid for.0 -
I thinh i would agree that was possible if the internal market were abandoned.chestnut said:
The NHS is, regrettably, stuck in the 20th century. It's the last of the great dinosaur bureaucracies.bigjohnowls said:
When exactly will PB Tories look closer to home for the fact that 99% of the deficits are in the Acute sector whereas Commissioners (to whom Lansley gave all the money) are in surplus and continuing to line their own pocketschestnut said:
700,000 support staff.bigjohnowls said:190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes
Lots of 'efficiencies' to be had.
#Conflictofinterest
I have personal cause to deal with it in two different capacities - one as a patient - in the last six months.
I see processes, behaviours and communications which have no place in the 21st century; things that other less zealously defended parts of the public sector consigned to the dustbin twenty years ago.
I half expect to encounter people with quill pens and ink wells.
I'd target a 350,000 reduction in it's support payroll.
Majority of Admin Staff are at Commissioners, NHS England outposts,localities etc.
At least 30% of Finance staff in a hospital are prating about negotiating, raising invoices paying invoices, accounting for, the internal market that the reforms made worse.
Commissioners fine Acutes for missing targets they admit are not within the power of the Provider to meet in order to neet their own NHS Eng. target on fines.
Its a complete mess
Try looking here
GPs award £2.4bn deals to their own companies | The Times 11/11/150 -
And doctors training up at the taxpayers expense, before legging it overseas to fatten up their wallets.Plato_Says said:Given that Mr Owls retired early, on a fat pension shows how taxpayers money is being drained from the NHS by no-longer-present-expenpushers.
DaemonBarber said:
not really - according to BJO the same £1 would have bought you a pint last year.OldKingCole said:
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
and it is now cheaper to make the pint, and you £1 has gone up above inflation.0 -
Is Fargo any good, me and the missus are looking for something decent to download.Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!
Meantime you'll enjoy this:
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Wasn't Daniel Radcliffe a LD?
Nothing has ever topped Rory Bremner [was he a Tory?] taking the piss here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP13Oc8CDxodugarbandier said:
do you think John Cleese still supports the lib dems (actually, did he? or did he only declare for the SDP?Alliance?)Plato_Says said:I pay ZERO attention to actors playing politics - and doubly so those appearing in mawkish charity advert - Yes you, Bill Nighy.
I totally understand luvvies who don't vote Labour being very quiet about it. You forgot Cilla and Gary Barlow - she got loads of stick for it. Why bother?HYUFD said:
True though if you only watched Tory voting actors and comedians you would be stuck with Jim Davidson, Ken Roache, Jimmy Tarbuck and Adam Rickett!Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
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I remember from when I was doing my A level history that the average life expectancy in 1842 of a farm laborer in Rutland was 38 whilst that of a factory laborer in Manchester was 17.AlastairMeeks said:Illustrating the point that Sir John Major made a week or so ago:
Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 51m51 minutes ago
Women in parts of Birmingham live 46.1 years in good health - lowest in England http://ow.ly/USD6G
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUQUV3RUEAAvk3X.png
Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 36m36 minutes ago
Women in parts of Westminster live 78.3 years in good health - highest in England http://ow.ly/USEzU
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUQX8g8WUAA_ogm.png
Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 22m22 minutes ago
Men in parts of Salford live 46.3 years in good health - lowest in England http://ow.ly/USH89
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUQblYZU8AAannc.png
Jamie Jenkins @statsjamie · 1h1 hour ago
Men in parts of Kensington & Chelsea live 80.2 years in good health - highest in England http://ow.ly/USAwD
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUQQpfiWcAEKez6.png
Those gaps are just astounding and appalling.0 -
Fargo S1 is SUPERB. I loved every minute. It's on Netflix IIRC.
I've S2 waiting for me - but it's a different cast and like True Detective - I'm wary of seeing another great start ruined. I didn't bother past E3 of TD2. It was boring and dire.nigel4england said:
Is Fargo any good, me and the missus are looking for something decent to download.Plato_Says said:Ha! I wish I'd never seen Martin Freeman's PPB. I can't watch Fargo S1 in the same light again.
I loathed Sherlock with Ego Cumberbatch, so don't miss him in that at all.HYUFD said:
Well at least you now know who Robert Webb isPlato_Says said:I detest Dave Mitchell's smuggery. He makes Stephen Fry look modest.
HYUFD said:
Mitchell and Webb? His comedy partner is David MitchellPlato_Says said:I've no idea who Robert Webb is. Is he famous? I've no compass here on popular culture.
rottenborough said:I've been away from the screen - have we done this one?
"Actor and comedian Robert Webb has revealed on Twitter he has cancelled his membership of the Labour party."
Pass the popcorn!
Meantime you'll enjoy this:
ttp://youtu.be/ZtgPeNKpnyw0 -
Thanks god Labour not in power - how much were they going to cut the budget by again?bigjohnowls said:190 of 241 providers were in the red during the second quarter of the year. 127 OF 131 Acutes
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Is that your solution to the current crisis? Or are you now as bad as Watford 30 (I thought you were better than that)Plato_Says said:Given that Mr Owls retired early, on a fat pension shows how taxpayers money is being drained from the NHS by no-longer-present-expenpushers.
DaemonBarber said:
not really - according to BJO the same £1 would have bought you a pint last year.OldKingCole said:
Seems to me that unachievable targets are being set! The equivalent of saying "go intom a pub with a £1 and buy a pint!.DaemonBarber said:Re the NHS.
BJO - a better question given that you are the one who constantly brings it up is - what would YOU do?
Given that funding for the NHS is ring-fenced, and going up in real terms and the NHS has apparently made over £1Bn worth of efficiency savings, one has to as the question why all of a sudden are practically all Acute Trusts in deficit? What has changed?
Let's not get overly partisan about it and seek to identify the real causes and thereby find the real solutions.
One thing I do though, a time of massive constraints on spending and budgets in the red all over the shop is not the time to be seeking any sort of pay-rise.
and it is now cheaper to make the pint, and you £1 has gone up above inflation.
NHS remuneration packages have been affordable for 70 years and (reduced by 20% in real terms in the past 6 years.)
Yet the crisis gets worse.
Again I think you need to look at the internal market as to why pen pushing is more prevalant than it could be but less than 3% of my hospitals wage bill was spent on Admin staff.
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Aargh! The curse of the new thread.
In response to those on the previous thread commenting about why the left has such a blind spot about Islamism, I posted this - and I make no apologies about posting it again, given that Corbyn - whose blind spots would fill a whole galaxy - is the subject of the thread.
Albert Camus explained it very well:-
"Mistaken ideas always end in bloodshed but in every case it is someone else's blood. That is why some of our thinkers feel free to say just about anything."
Tony Judt, a marvellous (and, sadly, late) historian also described the phenomenon:-
"Totalitarianism of the Left, much like an earlier totalitarianism of the Right, was about violence and power and control, and it appealed because of these features, not in spite of them."
I think that we have to face the fact that for some on the Left, Islamism has precisely this attraction, even if the Left deludes itself into thinking this is all about them being against racism and intolerance.
Just as Islamism seems to have perverted Islam or is a perversion of it, so the Left, by claiming the word "liberal" has perverted what liberalism truly is. It is time for the rest of us to wrest liberal values - real liberal values - back from the left.
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