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Chesney Hawkes has done more tours of Freshers' weeks than he ever did concerts, his song always used to come on about 1am at the student union if I remembernigel4england said:
The one and only?Anorak said:
Cue Chesney Hawkes. (remember him?)isam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner0 -
I am surprised you say, so I presume think, that UKIP supporters think Farage is popular with the whole country rather than people disposed to UKIP.. Farage and other Kippers have said they are like Millwall "No one likes us, we don't care"antifrank said:
Pointing out that Nigel Farage is unpopular isn't partisan. UKIP supporters gloss over that but it's a really important data point of British politics. The noisy minority he presumes to speak for are just that. The quiet majority don't like him.isam said:
It would be nice to be able to discuss this without partisan comments.. I am intrigued by working stuff like this out.. and to me it seems a massive factor to take into consideration that the leaders of big parties have more people that will like them just because they lead a big party (and so less potential dislikers) than someone who leads a small one, esp one that nicks voters from and costs that party seats.antifrank said:
I disagree. It's not the whole story, of course. But any idea that Nigel Farage is the people's tribune is blown out of the water by that rating.isam said:
Comparing those ratings cant be of any use when one party is on 32% and the other 15%antifrank said:@MSmithsonPB: CORRECTION Corbyn's net -19% approval rating with Opinium is not as bad as UKIPs Farage who is on minus 20%
I understand your point about small and large parties. But if people in aggregate feel ill-disposed towards Nigel Farage, winning more people to the UKIP cause will in turn lead to more tactical voting against UKIP.
Nick Clegg managed for a long while to have very positive ratings despite leading a small party and still the Lib Dems underperformed in 2010. So even Nigel Farage outpolling UKIP isn't necessarily all that good news for UKIP.
Saying "The peoples tribune" made me think your comment wasn't neutral but maybe you were quoting someone who had called him that0 -
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Carson seems like he's even more of a lunatic than Trump, which is quite an impressive achievement actually.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
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Not under George given the tpds tweets tonight, slating jc and the genius equallyTheScreamingEagles said:
Mike said people are speculating that Douglas Carswell will defect back to the Tory party before the election.Scrapheap_as_was said:WHO????
Another arron banks big name
Do we want him back? Churchill re-ratted.
My views on TPD returning back to the Tory party can be easily guessed0 -
I remember him giving a speech to the NHS Finance Conference and being laughed at (not because he was funny) but because he was so ill informed on a range of NHS topics.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner0 -
Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
Junior under-secretary 8 years ago, not even Brown material, not even once an MP or even a candidate.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Staggered by the bile coming from Labourites towards Lord Warner. He was your future once, one of Blair's smartest ministers.
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Re Warner. .. In assuming ogh tweet saying this story was massive, has been quickly deleted?0
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Oh dear you have to be joking he was worse than Hunt.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Staggered by the bile coming from Labourites towards Lord Warner. He was your future once, one of Blair's smartest ministers.
Though marginally better than Lansley.0 -
ITV news intro stating its official, the Ref did get it wrong in the Scotland game.
"They Woz robbed" is probably going to be true this time0 -
Is it that bad? Okay, so it could be in so far as it may make it harder for Osborne to get the gig against other Tories. But is it really that surprising that the Chancellor of five years only ties with the LOTO in terms of best PM? Osborne is doing the unpopular stuff, Corbyn is just spouting off his usual rubbish. The Tory majority with Osborne as leader would be as big as it would with any other leader so long as they are up against Corbyn.MikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
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Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
Well, Labourites, soon there will be no-one left to speak for you...Speedy said:
Junior under-secretary 8 years ago, not even Brown material, not even once an MP or even a candidate.Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Staggered by the bile coming from Labourites towards Lord Warner. He was your future once, one of Blair's smartest ministers.
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1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates.
Are they allowed to intervene in this or not?0 -
They can't prop up a steelworks, that would be state aid.Moses_ said:1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates.
Are they allowed to intervene in this or not?
Perhaps there are more creative options, but basically the one people want can't be done.0 -
Having absolute loyalty inside your party is one requirement to do well in approval ratings, example:isam said:
I am surprised you say, so I presume think, that UKIP supporters think Farage is popular with the whole country rather than people disposed to UKIP.. Farage and other Kippers have said they are like Millwall "No one likes us, we don't care"antifrank said:
Pointing out that Nigel Farage is unpopular isn't partisan. UKIP supporters gloss over that but it's a really important data point of British politics. The noisy minority he presumes to speak for are just that. The quiet majority don't like him.isam said:
It would be nice to be able to discuss this without partisan comments.. I am intrigued by working stuff like this out.. and to me it seems a massive factor to take into consideration that the leaders of big parties have more people that will like them just because they lead a big party (and so less potential dislikers) than someone who leads a small one, esp one that nicks voters from and costs that party seats.antifrank said:
I disagree. It's not the whole story, of course. But any idea that Nigel Farage is the people's tribune is blown out of the water by that rating.isam said:
Comparing those ratings cant be of any use when one party is on 32% and the other 15%antifrank said:@MSmithsonPB: CORRECTION Corbyn's net -19% approval rating with Opinium is not as bad as UKIPs Farage who is on minus 20%
I understand your point about small and large parties. But if people in aggregate feel ill-disposed towards Nigel Farage, winning more people to the UKIP cause will in turn lead to more tactical voting against UKIP.
Nick Clegg managed for a long while to have very positive ratings despite leading a small party and still the Lib Dems underperformed in 2010. So even Nigel Farage outpolling UKIP isn't necessarily all that good news for UKIP.
Saying "The peoples tribune" made me think your comment wasn't neutral but maybe you were quoting someone who had called him that
Approval/Disapproval rating for leaders in own party (Opinium):
Cameron: 91/2
Corbyn: 58/11
Farage: 84/3
Depending on the size of your party or the ratio of left/right parties you can do very good.
Corbyn and Farage have the unfortunate position of the centre-left being too small or their parties being too small.0 -
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Carson seems like he's even more of a lunatic than Trump, which is quite an impressive achievement actually.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
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This will take the State of the Parties in the Lords (once all announced Peers have been introduced) to:
Con 251
Lab 215
LD 112
Crossbench 175
So even with good Crossbench support Con is still sure to lose if Lab + LD join forces (very unusual to get above approx 40 net support from Crossbenchers).
But it's starting to get closer - another net 20 on the Con score and they start to have a chance.0 -
This seems to be filling a disturbing pattern, that others have previously pointed out on here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-34570381
Seven men from Bristol and Newport have been charged by police as part of an investigation into child sexual exploitation. The men, aged between 21 and 28, face a string of allegations including rape, trafficking and supplying drugs.
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Each and every one of those workers should vote LEAVE.TheWhiteRabbit said:
They can't prop up a steelworks, that would be state aid.Moses_ said:1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates.
Are they allowed to intervene in this or not?
Perhaps there are more creative options, but basically the one people want can't be done.
It's being in the EU which stops us deciding if we want to intervene or not.0 -
75 minutes to go before polls close in eastern Canada.0
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Trump and Carson request Secret Service detail
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/donald-trump-ben-carson-secret-service-detail-request-2149230 -
From Wikipedia:HYUFD said:
If even most of us political junkies have not heard of Lord Warner you can be guaranteed Joe Public will not, so bit of a non storyTheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/norman-warner-tackles-birminghams-childrens-services-michael-goveisam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner
This one presumably
"In April 2013, Lord Warner announced he would vote with the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in a key vote in the House of Lords on proposed NHS regulations that Labour claimed would enable companies to bid for almost all health services. He was the only Labour peer to do so."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Warner,_Baron_Warner0 -
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If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Carson seems like he's even more of a lunatic than Trump, which is quite an impressive achievement actually.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.0 -
I agree, but there might be a more subtle effect.HYUFD said:
If even most of us political junkies have not heard of Lord Warner you can be guaranteed Joe Public will not, so bit of a non storyTheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/norman-warner-tackles-birminghams-childrens-services-michael-goveisam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner
This one presumably
I'm currently reading 'The Spin Doctor's Diary' by Lance Price, which covers his years in Number 10 between 1998 and 2001. When Shaun Wooodward defected from the Conservatives to Labour, he helped bring Ivan Massow over in the same direction.
I guess that Douglas Carswell also played a part in Mark Reckless's move as well.
So the man himself may not be much of a loss, or cause too much bad publicity. But it sets a precedent, and if he may be able to persuade other disillusioned Labour figures to also resign the whip.0 -
New NBC/WSJ GOP national nomination poll
Trump 25 (21)
Carson 22 (20)
Rubio 13 (11)
Cruz 9 (5)
Bush 8 (7)
Fiorina 7 (11)
Huckabee 3 (2)
Kasich 3 (6)
Paul 2 (3)
Christie 1 (3)
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-trump-hits-highest-mark-yet-carson-close-behind-n4472910 -
Yes and even you had to wiki it!AndyJS said:
From Wikipedia:HYUFD said:
If even most of us political junkies have not heard of Lord Warner you can be guaranteed Joe Public will not, so bit of a non storyTheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/norman-warner-tackles-birminghams-childrens-services-michael-goveisam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner
This one presumably
"In April 2013, Lord Warner announced he would vote with the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in a key vote in the House of Lords on proposed NHS regulations that Labour claimed would enable companies to bid for almost all health services. He was the only Labour peer to do so."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Warner,_Baron_Warner0 -
Even if we were out of the EU I'd hope we wouldn't be intervening directly. A lowering of state aid across Europe is one of the good parts of the EU (though it still has further to go in many nations, not ours).GeoffM said:
Each and every one of those workers should vote LEAVE.TheWhiteRabbit said:
They can't prop up a steelworks, that would be state aid.Moses_ said:1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates.
Are they allowed to intervene in this or not?
Perhaps there are more creative options, but basically the one people want can't be done.
It's being in the EU which stops us deciding if we want to intervene or not.0 -
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.0 -
I think the existential threat is here and now. If Corbyn leads Labour in 2020, the threat's matured.tlg86 said:
I think it's a fair point. The reasons for disliking Farage are probably more varied than among those who dislike Corbyn. If Corbyn were to lead Labour at the 2020 election I think they could be facing an existential threat.isam said:
It would be nice to be able to discuss this without partisan comments.. I am intrigued by working stuff like this out.. and to me it seems a massive factor to take into consideration that the leaders of big parties have more people that will like them just because they lead a big party (and so less potential dislikers) than someone who leads a small one, esp one that nicks voters from and costs that party seats.antifrank said:
I disagree. It's not the whole story, of course. But any idea that Nigel Farage is the people's tribune is blown out of the water by that rating.isam said:
Comparing those ratings cant be of any use when one party is on 32% and the other 15%antifrank said:@MSmithsonPB: CORRECTION Corbyn's net -19% approval rating with Opinium is not as bad as UKIPs Farage who is on minus 20%
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No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 and she will win a landslide. Though whether she lasts a second term as he did not is debateable. White men have always hated her, with women and minorities she still has a comfortable lead and we had the biggest recession in a century just 7 years ago, things are now on the mend.Speedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Carson seems like he's even more of a lunatic than Trump, which is quite an impressive achievement actually.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.0 -
Christie might not make it to the CNBC debate, they have a 2.5% threshold in the polling average since the last debate.HYUFD said:New NBC/WSJ GOP national nomination poll
Trump 25 (21)
Carson 22 (20)
Rubio 13 (11)
Cruz 9 (5)
Bush 8 (7)
Fiorina 7 (11)
Huckabee 3 (2)
Kasich 3 (6)
Paul 2 (3)
Christie 1 (3)
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-trump-hits-highest-mark-yet-carson-close-behind-n447291
Otherwise business as usual, Kasich collapses again in favour of flavour of the month for the establishment, while Fiorina collapsing back down in favour of the other non-politicians.
Key thing here is that the establishment vote is 25%, up only 1 point from the last NBC poll.
The anti-establishment vote is 63%, up 6 points from the last one.0 -
The last time I can remember hearing De jure and De facto used was an episode of Yes Prime Minister.Pulpstar said:
De Jure, no.Moses_ said:1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates.
Are they allowed to intervene in this or not?
De facto, yes.
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Daffy doc?Speedy said:
And this one:TheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/norman-warner-tackles-birminghams-childrens-services-michael-goveisam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner
This one presumably
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-03-31/labour-would-not-consider-nhs-monthly-charge/
"People should be charged a £10 monthly membership fee for using the NHS, a new report says. Co-authored by former Labour health minister Lord Warner"
And a ton of other stuff from the Blair era.
Personally I would prefer Warner Bros. to make health policies than Lord Warner.0 -
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.0 -
Certainly John Mann or Simon Danczuk are ones to watchJosiasJessop said:
I agree, but there might be a more subtle effect.HYUFD said:
If even most of us political junkies have not heard of Lord Warner you can be guaranteed Joe Public will not, so bit of a non storyTheWhiteRabbit said:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/11/norman-warner-tackles-birminghams-childrens-services-michael-goveisam said:
"THE" Norman Warner?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner
This one presumably
I'm currently reading 'The Spin Doctor's Diary' by Lance Price, which covers his years in Number 10 between 1998 and 2001. When Shaun Wooodward defected from the Conservatives to Labour, he helped bring Ivan Massow over in the same direction.
I guess that Douglas Carswell also played a part in Mark Reckless's move as well.
So the man himself may not be much of a loss, or cause too much bad publicity. But it sets a precedent, and if he may be able to persuade other disillusioned Labour figures to also resign the whip.0 -
Indeed, the populist bandwagon rides onSpeedy said:
Christie might not make it to the CNBC debate, they have a 2.5% threshold in the polling average since the last debate.HYUFD said:New NBC/WSJ GOP national nomination poll
Trump 25 (21)
Carson 22 (20)
Rubio 13 (11)
Cruz 9 (5)
Bush 8 (7)
Fiorina 7 (11)
Huckabee 3 (2)
Kasich 3 (6)
Paul 2 (3)
Christie 1 (3)
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/poll-trump-hits-highest-mark-yet-carson-close-behind-n447291
Otherwise business as usual, Kasich collapses again in favour of flavour of the month for the establishment, while Fiorina collapsing back down in favour of the other non-politicians.
Key thing here is that the establishment vote is 25%, up only 1 point from the last NBC poll.
The anti-establishment vote is 63%, up 6 points from the last one.0 -
Very good article on the parlous overall state of the Democratic party in the US:
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/19/9565119/democrats-in-deep-trouble0 -
There's an even bigger similarity - both represent a threat to the established order. Is Donald Trump 'nuts'? Nuttier than George W Bush's less capable brother? Hardly. He's a successful businessman (albeit one who got an almighty hand up, but what massively successful person didn't?). You don't get to be that by being nuts. Aggressive and obnoxious, certainly, unscrupulous, undoubtedly, but not nuts.Anorak said:Well, bollocks. Computer just ran out of power. Just wrote a long post, too. Here is the I-can't-be-arsed-to-do-all-that-again version...
There are striking similarities between:
1) Republican Primaries leading to nutters on the ticket because of publicity/campaigning from Limbaugh and Tea Party
2) Corbyn is leader because of open election and well-organised SWP campaign
Both are self-destructive but unarguably more democratic than decisions made in smoke-filled rooms, etc. Both require a 'purity of political vision' for a candidate to be declared sound.
Honestly, the original version of this post was fantastic.
I'm afraid its just the standard establishment paint job for everyone outside it, especially if they lead (shock horror) popular/populist movements.0 -
We need to choose someone new. The only way a party can avoid being seen as old and tired during a third term is internal renewal.HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
post Greeny then, so not so goodScott_P said:
I was at a gig last weekend where the support act confessed to being a huge Fleetwood Mac fan.DaemonBarber said:
This is not the greatest song in the world, no: this is just a tribute.
Couldn't remember the greatest song in the world, no: this is a tribute...
Tenacious D
She played a slightly strange version of The Chain, then one of her original compositions, and the only thing I could think of all the way through was "this is just a tribute..."0 -
O/T:
How not to stretcher an injured player off the pitch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDg_enBc2ZQ0 -
Telling them to feed the elderly was he?bigjohnowls said:
I remember him giving a speech to the NHS Finance Conference and being laughed at (not because he was funny) but because he was so ill informed on a range of NHS topics.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner0 -
A couple of polls have just come out pointing to a possible Liberal majority in the Canadian election, putting them on 40% and 39%:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015#Campaign_period0 -
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.0 -
The redundant steel workers should all retrain as bankers, then they would have a job for life.0
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You think that Corbyn's demise may have parallels with Rasputin's?HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
If Hillary wins in 2016 it will be because she is a woman, however she is mercurial, she will open a huge gender gap but with men overfilling that.HYUFD said:
No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 and she will win a landslide. Though whether she lasts a second term as he did not is debateable. White men have always hated her, with women and minorities she still has a comfortable lead and we had the biggest recession in a century just 7 years ago, things are now on the mend.Speedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Carson seems like he's even more of a lunatic than Trump, which is quite an impressive achievement actually.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.
And there will be a recession in the US before 2020, the record without a recession was 10 years, 2020 will be 11 years since the last one, chances of a recession are over 50% from 2017 onwards.
Hillary, if she wins in 2016, will be the american Julia Gillard.0 -
No claiming the introduction of Agenda For Change was cost neutral. Only person in the room to think so.Luckyguy1983 said:
Telling them to feed the elderly was he?bigjohnowls said:
I remember him giving a speech to the NHS Finance Conference and being laughed at (not because he was funny) but because he was so ill informed on a range of NHS topics.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I haven't heard of him either
Guardian's @patrickwintour reports Labour peer resigns saying party no longer credible. @itvnews understand it's Lord Norman Warner0 -
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If China is dumping then that can be taken up with the WTO (don't laugh). The energy price is a direct result of government policy set by Labour and continued by Cameron's crowd. Repealing the ludicrous Climate Change Act would be a good start in trying to preserve what remains of industry in the UK and hence reduce the hemorrhaging of the nation's wealth, but that will not happen all the time it is only the little people that are hurt.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.0 -
I wonder if the beardy lefty party leader will resign tomorrow? From first to distant third during the campaign has been a shocker for the NDP.0
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Imagine how bad it would be if we didn't have global warming:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britain-set-white-christmas-36-6659114?ICID=FB_mirror_main0 -
Why are the Chuckle-Brothers acting as medics?AndyJS said:O/T:
How not to stretcher an injured player off the pitch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDg_enBc2ZQ0 -
Until there is a real poll that opinion pollsters can be judged against, given the disaster of GE 2015, treat all with a HUGE pinch of salt.0
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I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
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Osborne vs Corbyn would IMO result in a seriously hung parliament, with UKIP and the Lib Dems surging.
PBTories can say what they like about Corbyn's policies - for your average floating voter, it really does come down to whether they think the leader is likeable, and Osborne fares even worse on that measure than Ed and possibly even Brown.0 -
They think he's acting, they want to take him off the pitch so he has to wait to get back on.notme said:
Why are the Chuckle-Brothers acting as medics?AndyJS said:O/T:
How not to stretcher an injured player off the pitch:
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I know you're being ironic, but that's just it - we can't all be bankers, only so much banking is needed in the world. Besides, like any other industry, all the lower tier positions are being off-shored. I know someone who works for RBS; he spends most of his day shouting at his junior team from India over the phone. The service is awful, personnel keeps changing all the time, but evidently it's cheaper, a lot cheaper.SandyRentool said:The redundant steel workers should all retrain as bankers, then they would have a job for life.
So I ask again, what are we going to train these steel workers as - Sky TV salesmen? Estate agents? Burger van workers? Whilst holding any job is laudable, all these economic activities do is cannibalise our existing wealth (for which read debt).0 -
A piece of Americana for you -
Over the weekend there was a bit of a discussion here on everything from whether rigby kicks more than American football, which then got into which was the first to have a rulebook (Rugby seems to have won that).
On Saturday there was a college football game for the ages with one of the most incredible endings I've seen.
You'll like this even if you're not a sports fan.
Michigan State is playing at Michigan. State is a really good team, Michigan is rebuilding under former 49ers coach (and Michigan alum) Jim Harbaugh. There are 10 seconds on the clock, State has no timeouts left, and Michigan has to punt, leading by 3. Make the punt and the game is effectively over.
The punter - Blake O'Neill - muffs the ball. In American football it is drilled into you - if you don't have control of the ball, fall on the ball. Just do it! O'Neill chases it to pick it up - an almost unpardonable sin - and it gets knocked out of his hand by Michigan State's #20 Jalen Watts-Jackson, who runs it in for a touchdown.
What we didn't know for a moment or two afterwards was that #20 broke his hip landing in the end zone. His team mates jumped onto him and there was a huge pile of teammates with him in agony on the bottom screaming for them to get off. The touchdown meant State won.
But what of Mr O'Neill, who has since received death threats and all manner of insults via Twitter, which seems to have become a vehicle for idiots to express their opinions?
He is Australian, and in aussie rules football you chase after the ball and keep playing. His instincts obviously took over.
Anyway here it is, with the added attraction that you can actually hear the commentator losing his mind on-air. It only runs 48 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U0 -
I remember these guys from the 2011 one:AndyJS said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS61WGx7PMI
This is what they have published so far:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vote-compass-canadians-predict-who-they-think-will-win-their-riding-1.3268561?cmp=rss0 -
While voting intention polls were wildly off-base, the "best PM" polls were very accurate, with Cameron having a huge lead over Miliband throughout.SquareRoot said:Until there is a real poll that opinion pollsters can be judged against, given the disaster of GE 2015, treat all with a HUGE pinch of salt.
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Conservatives winning most seats in Canada is available at 6.6 with Betfair exchange:
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@BethRigby: .@BBCAllegra the Chancellor is not for turning on #taxcredits. Spot on. treasury & No 10 holding line. #newsnight0
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On historical trends it will be Osborne or HammondJEO said:
We need to choose someone new. The only way a party can avoid being seen as old and tired during a third term is internal renewal.HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
Construction is notoriously unstable, not to mention the fact that you are surrendering an economic activity that displaces an import and thus keeps wealth within the country and replacing it with one that is effectively economically neutral. What are we all going to do when the country has shut all of its factories and built mock-Tudor Barclay homes all over the brown fields?JEO said:
I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
As for these steelworkers bursting on to the burgeoning 'design fields' whatever they are, I will merely say that design is another service that can, will, and probably is, transferring to India as we speak.0 -
Typical, I give up writing threads for a while, and there's a huge electoral reform story brewing
Tories Threaten To Suspend House Of Lords If It Kills Off Tax Credit Cuts As George Osborne Faces Down Critics
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Or IDS', either way Mandelson will be Prince YusopovReggieCide said:
You think that Corbyn's demise may have parallels with Rasputin's?HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
While mentioning 2016, new post debate poll from N.Hampshire, Sanders increasing his lead over Hillary to 10 points without Biden (38/48) , 8 points with Biden (30/38):
http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/blog_posts/FPU-BH-1015-Dem.pdf
Interesting part is that Sanders is getting really close to 50%.0 -
Owen Smith is one of the shadow cabinet's better ones (though "better" is very much a relative term here).0
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You wonder what Labour could do with a decent leader. I get the feeling the Conservatives are opening themselves to a number of issues that will stick to them in the minds of the voting public.
FPT. Rubio is now an option. Take out Jeb, who's campaign seems to be built around just outstaying others by dint of plenty of funding, and he is a relative Republican insider. The Carsons and Trumps are all well and dandy but the party itself will not play with them if it can avoid it. It likes one of its own operators.0 -
When I lived in Canada over 30 years ago, there was a wonderful comedian called Dave Broadfoot, who created a character David Broadfoot, MP for Kicking Horse Pass for the New Apathetic Party.Speedy said:
I remember these guys from the 2011 one:AndyJS said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS61WGx7PMI
This is what they have published so far:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vote-compass-canadians-predict-who-they-think-will-win-their-riding-1.3268561?cmp=rss
He also created Big Bobby Clobber, a hockey player who had obviously taken a few too many hits.0 -
Norman Tebbit comes out against tax credit cuts.0
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There was no serious recession for 16 years from 1992 - 2008, coincidentally half of that time was taken up by the last Clinton presidency and that takes us to 2024 when Hillary leaves. Julia Gillard assassinated Rudd to get elected and was never elected to the role in the first place, she was also the more leftwing of the 2, Hillary is the centrist candidate in next year's Democratic primariesSpeedy said:
If HillaHYUFD said:
No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 andSpeedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:
Cruz once did an interview in which he showed his giant portrait of him in the supreme court surrounded by painters who made other portraits of him inside the painting it's self.HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Car.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:
He does but I think that's misleading. I don't see Trump picking up many transfers. In other words, he has a lot of first-choice support but is sufficiently Marmite to start stuttering as other candidates drop out, even without his recent dip; it's not a like-for-like comparison.HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.
Hillary, if she wins in 2016, will be the american Julia Gillard.0 -
It's like an explosion in a tupperware factory.Tim_B said:A piece of Americana for you -
Over the weekend there was a bit of a discussion here on everything from whether rigby kicks more than American football, which then got into which was the first to have a rulebook (Rugby seems to have won that).
On Saturday there was a college football game for the ages with one of the most incredible endings I've seen.
You'll like this even if you're not a sports fan.
Michigan State is playing at Michigan. State is a really good team, Michigan is rebuilding under former 49ers coach (and Michigan alum) Jim Harbaugh. There are 10 seconds on the clock, State has no timeouts left, and Michigan has to punt, leading by 3. Make the punt and the game is effectively over.
The punter - Blake O'Neill - muffs the ball. In American football it is drilled into you - if you don't have control of the ball, fall on the ball. Just do it! O'Neill chases it to pick it up - an almost unpardonable sin - and it gets knocked out of his hand by Michigan State's #20 Jalen Watts-Jackson, who runs it in for a touchdown.
What we didn't know for a moment or two afterwards was that #20 broke his hip landing in the end zone. His team mates jumped onto him and there was a huge pile of teammates with him in agony on the bottom screaming for them to get off. The touchdown meant State won.
But what of Mr O'Neill, who has since received death threats and all manner of insults via Twitter, which seems to have become a vehicle for idiots to express their opinions?
He is Australian, and in aussie rules football you chase after the ball and keep playing. His instincts obviously took over.
Anyway here it is, with the added attraction that you can actually hear the commentator losing his mind on-air. It only runs 48 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U0 -
I actually think, despite not being a young face, Hammond could seem like a new direction. Rather than young posh boys it's going to be the more elder statesman type. That could be the strongest card against a reckless Labour Party.HYUFD said:
On historical trends it will be Osborne or HammondJEO said:
We need to choose someone new. The only way a party can avoid being seen as old and tired during a third term is internal renewal.HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.0 -
He had a rather disappointing election result this year. The LD vote collapsed by 18.3 points but he was only able to add 2.3 points to his share.Danny565 said:Owen Smith is one of the shadow cabinet's better ones (though "better" is very much a relative term here).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontypridd_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s0 -
I am sure HMG have a plan. After all the collapse of the UK steel industry which seems to be under way is a direct result of policies being pursued by Cameron and Co and they would have thought out the likely consequences and planned for them. Wouldn't they?JEO said:
I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
Thirty years ago the Conservatives were in charge when the coalmining industry packed up and then they had no plan as to how to deal with the human tragedy that was bound to ensue. Surely the Conservative Party would not make the same mistake twice.0 -
LuckyGuy1983,
I'm on a phone right now so can't get into a detailed economic debate. Sorry.0 -
Some things are just plain dumb and inexplicable, and that was one of them, not worthy of comment. A receiver snaps to a safety in front of 3 defenders. Even the official sounded incredulous about it.Scott_P said:
Not sharing the Colts "worst play ever" then?Tim_B said:A piece of Americana for you -
But here it is. What were they thinking? Dumb as a box of rocks....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrtzpdH_uPM0 -
Luckyguy1983 said:
It's like an explosion in a tupperware factory.Tim_B said:A piece of Americana for you -
Over the weekend there was a bit of a discussion here on everything from whether rigby kicks more than American football, which then got into which was the first to have a rulebook (Rugby seems to have won that).
On Saturday there was a college football game for the ages with one of the most incredible endings I've seen.
You'll like this even if you're not a sports fan.
Michigan State is playing at Michigan. State is a really good team, Michigan is rebuilding under former 49ers coach (and Michigan alum) Jim Harbaugh. There are 10 seconds on the clock, State has no timeouts left, and Michigan has to punt, leading by 3. Make the punt and the game is effectively over.
The punter - Blake O'Neill - muffs the ball. In American football it is drilled into you - if you don't have control of the ball, fall on the ball. Just do it! O'Neill chases it to pick it up - an almost unpardonable sin - and it gets knocked out of his hand by Michigan State's #20 Jalen Watts-Jackson, who runs it in for a touchdown.
What we didn't know for a moment or two afterwards was that #20 broke his hip landing in the end zone. His team mates jumped onto him and there was a huge pile of teammates with him in agony on the bottom screaming for them to get off. The touchdown meant State won.
But what of Mr O'Neill, who has since received death threats and all manner of insults via Twitter, which seems to have become a vehicle for idiots to express their opinions?
He is Australian, and in aussie rules football you chase after the ball and keep playing. His instincts obviously took over.
Anyway here it is, with the added attraction that you can actually hear the commentator losing his mind on-air. It only runs 48 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U
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I think they are just playing hardball.TheScreamingEagles said:Typical, I give up writing threads for a while, and there's a huge electoral reform story brewing
Tories Threaten To Suspend House Of Lords If It Kills Off Tax Credit Cuts As George Osborne Faces Down Critics
http://huff.to/1M2Ke2j
In any case, why not just put it in a Bill? It would then be a money bill and the Lords wouldn't be able to touch it.0 -
The retail banking model is utterly broken in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:The service is awful, personnel keeps changing all the time, but evidently it's cheaper, a lot cheaper.
Banks are expected to maintain high cost service infrastructure (CHAPS, FP, ATM, etc) and are shouted at (Ulster Bank) when it breaks down.
But customers refuse to pay for this infrastructure (free current accounts). And the banks get sued for cross-selling (PPI) and regulated on charges they can make for infringment of account T&Cs (CC rules letter fees). Even when they make a profit, they pay an 8% surcharge on profits, and are now required to hold excess capital to take account of deposit flight risk even though the Bank of England overnight rates mean it is virtually impossible to earn money on deposits.
So they try to reduce costs. And people complain when they close branches and complain when staff are offshored.
Just f**king pay for th product, alright? Then the sector might f**king work.
(For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a retail banker)0 -
Are Boney M bringing out a disco stomper?ReggieCide said:
You think that Corbyn's demise may have parallels with Rasputin's?HYUFD said:
Osborne led with Tory voters, Boris had a comfortable lead with voters as a whole. Though I don't think Corbyn will still be Labour leader by late 2019 when Cameron steps downMikeL said:Surely this is a truly terrible poll for Osborne.
Con 5 points ahead yet he only ties with Corbyn for best PM.
Everyone saying Corbyn is unelectable - on these numbers Osborne would be a disastrous choice for Con.
A bit surprising as in another poll last week Osborne was only 6 points behind Boris for best Con leader.
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The collapse of steelmaking? That's directly attributable to the crackpot green energy policies engineered by the previous Labour government and Ed Milliband, which made the cost of production sky rocket, relative to cheap Chinese energy.HurstLlama said:
I am sure HMG have a plan. After all the collapse of the UK steel industry which seems to be under way is a direct result of policies being pursued by Cameron and Co and they would have thought out the likely consequences and planned for them. Wouldn't they?JEO said:
I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
Thirty years ago the Conservatives were in charge when the coalmining industry packed up and then they had no plan as to how to deal with the human tragedy that was bound to ensue. Surely the Conservative Party would not make the same mistake twice.
The same policies have caused the closure of so many power plants, such that the UK faces the likely and serious prospect of blackouts this Winter.
As for coal mines, more closed under Labour. What did they do about it?0 -
The record in america is 10 years, from 1990-2000, not 16.HYUFD said:
There was no serious recession for 16 years from 1992 - 2008, coincidentally half of that time was taken up by the last Clinton presidency and that takes us to 2024 when Hillary leaves. Julia Gillard assassinated Rudd to get elected and was never elected to the role in the first place, she was also the more leftwing of the 2, Hillary is the centrist candidate in next year's Democratic primariesSpeedy said:
If HillaHYUFD said:
No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 andSpeedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Car.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.
Hillary, if she wins in 2016, will be the american Julia Gillard.
Gillard was hated by more men than loved by women, Hillary will fall the same way, plus a recession will prove that thought she maybe a woman she is still incompetent in her job.
Her resume is not all confidence inspiring, being the wife of Bill is the best think she ever did, that gave her a senate seat in N.Y. and the state department under Obama, which she has a terrible record in both.
Hillary is just there because she married Bill, not because she has merits or capabilities, that's why I have low confidence in her.0 -
Apparently big promos for Star Wars: the force awakens on Monday Night Football tonight.0
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Policies supported by the Tories and beefed up by the coalition.watford30 said:
The collapse of steelmaking? That's directly attributable to the crackpot green energy policies engineered by the previous Labour government and Ed Milliband, which made the cost of production sky rocket, relative to cheap Chinese energy.HurstLlama said:
I am sure HMG have a plan. After all the collapse of the UK steel industry which seems to be under way is a direct result of policies being pursued by Cameron and Co and they would have thought out the likely consequences and planned for them. Wouldn't they?JEO said:
I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
Thirty years ago the Conservatives were in charge when the coalmining industry packed up and then they had no plan as to how to deal with the human tragedy that was bound to ensue. Surely the Conservative Party would not make the same mistake twice.
The same policies have caused the closure of so many power plants, such that the UK faces the likely and serious prospect of blackouts this Winter.
As for coal mines, more closed under Labour. What did they do about it?0 -
Surely there would have to be legislation to suspend the Lords (which would have to go through the Lords!) and which would take at least a year to go through Parliament.TheScreamingEagles said:Typical, I give up writing threads for a while, and there's a huge electoral reform story brewing
Tories Threaten To Suspend House Of Lords If It Kills Off Tax Credit Cuts As George Osborne Faces Down Critics
http://huff.to/1M2Ke2j
Seems totally unrealistic.0 -
Yes, but the party establishment in the end does not vote for the candidateY0kel said:You wonder what Labour could do with a decent leader. I get the feeling the Conservatives are opening themselves to a number of issues that will stick to them in the minds of the voting public.
FPT. Rubio is now an option. Take out Jeb, who's campaign seems to be built around just outstaying others by dint of plenty of funding, and he is a relative Republican insider. The Carsons and Trumps are all well and dandy but the party itself will not play with them if it can avoid it. It likes one of its own operators.0 -
Banks can make decent money off of guaranteeing letters of credit and so forth, Barclays have done better than us out of our main contract this year for sure !Charles said:
The retail banking model is utterly broken in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:The service is awful, personnel keeps changing all the time, but evidently it's cheaper, a lot cheaper.
Banks are expected to maintain high cost service infrastructure (CHAPS, FP, ATM, etc) and are shouted at (Ulster Bank) when it breaks down.
But customers refuse to pay for this infrastructure (free current accounts). And the banks get sued for cross-selling (PPI) and regulated on charges they can make for infringment of account T&Cs (CC rules letter fees). Even when they make a profit, they pay an 8% surcharge on profits, and are now required to hold excess capital to take account of deposit flight risk even though the Bank of England overnight rates mean it is virtually impossible to earn money on deposits.
So they try to reduce costs. And people complain when they close branches and complain when staff are offshored.
Just f**king pay for th product, alright? Then the sector might f**king work.
(For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a retail banker)
With personal banking though, they're throwing money at us all. I've signed up for 2 new current accounts this year and am happy to take the FSCS protected largesse of TSB as the most recent example.0 -
She was a very successful lawyer in AK, although some of her billing records did disappear mysteriously and then were subsequently found at the White House some years later.Speedy said:
The record in america is 10 years, from 1990-2000, not 16.HYUFD said:
There was no serious recession for 16 years from 1992 - 2008, coincidentally half of that time was taken up by the last Clinton presidency and that takes us to 2024 when Hillary leaves. Julia Gillard assassinated Rudd to get elected and was never elected to the role in the first place, she was also the more leftwing of the 2, Hillary is the centrist candidate in next year's Democratic primariesSpeedy said:
If HillaHYUFD said:
No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 andSpeedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:Speedy said:HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Car.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.
Hillary, if she wins in 2016, will be the american Julia Gillard.
Gillard was hated by more men than loved by women, Hillary will fall the same way, plus a recession will prove that thought she maybe a woman she is still incompetent in her job.
Her resume is not all confidence inspiring, being the wife of Bill is the best think she ever did, that gave her a senate seat in N.Y. and the state department under Obama, which she has a terrible record in both.
Hillary is just there because she married Bill, not because she has merits or capabilities, that's why I have low confidence in her.0 -
There was no recession of any real significance in 2000. There are more women than men in America and Hillary is far more competent and ruthless than Gillard. She is not brilliant, but then again against Trump and Cruz she does not have to be. She is not a natural politician, neither was Nixon, but she is ruthless enough to get it on the second attempt as he didSpeedy said:
The record in america is 10 years, from 1990-2000, not 16.HYUFD said:
There was noSpeedy said:
If HillaHYUFD said:
No, she is the Democrats Nixon, if she wins in 2016 the GOP will pick Cruz, their McGovern, in 2020 andSpeedy said:
If Hillary wins in 2016 she will lose in 2020.HYUFD said:
Yes, Cruz makes Trump look modest and mild, he is fiercely bright, his Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant" however he is a Democrats wet dream as GOP nominee. If Trump does become nominee and Hillary beats him though I can see Cruz being the nominee in 2020 before the GOP finally move back to the centreSpeedy said:HYUFD said:
Cruz is even more fanatical and these three seem to be making all the running on the GOP side at the momentJEO said:
Car.Speedy said:
Trump beats every candidate in a match to match contest with the exception of Carson according to the opinion polls.david_herdson said:HYUFD said:
She beats Trump by 5 points and Trump still has a comfortable lead for the GOP nominationdavid_herdson said:
Those are not spectacular numbers for her. She'll get the nomination but I think that'll be it for her.HYUFD said:Hillary gets a boost from the first Democratic debate
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2462140-debate-democrats.html#document/p2
Men already hate her and an economic recession will be due.
Hillary, if she wins in 2016, will be the american Julia Gillard.
Gillard was hated by more men than loved by women, Hillary will fall the same way, plus a recession will prove that thought she maybe a woman she is still incompetent in her job.
Her resume is not all confidence inspiring, being the wife of Bill is the best think she ever did, that gave her a senate seat in N.Y. and the state department under Obama, which she has a terrible record in both.
Hillary is just there because she married Bill, not because she has merits or capabilities, that's why I have low confidence in her.0 -
The plan is as follows:HurstLlama said:
I am sure HMG have a plan. After all the collapse of the UK steel industry which seems to be under way is a direct result of policies being pursued by Cameron and Co and they would have thought out the likely consequences and planned for them. Wouldn't they?JEO said:
I understand there are shortages in some of the skilled and semi-skilled construction jobs, such as plasterers, pipe fitters etc. Some of the more talented workers could even be pushed into design fields which are exploding in the UK.Luckyguy1983 said:
What's your suggestion?JEO said:
We shouldn't try to prop it up. We should thank the Chinese for so generously subsidising our steel use, improving British consumer welfare at the expense of Chinese living standards, and retrain the steel workers here to do something more sustainable.Moses_ said:
Can't do anthing about the dumping except demand China stop. Good luck with that.john_zims said:@Moses
'1200 jobs to go at steel makers TATA in Scunthorpe. Governments getting blamed by Labour the TUC and the workers coming out of the gates. '
According to Sky interview UK energy prices 5x higher than competition plus Chinese dumping at below cost.
Could they subsidise the energy cost thus avoiding "directly" propping up the plant. It probably still wouldn't be allowed nor would it achieve much until we insist UK uses its own steel first. That of course is also not allowed. Jeez what a mess.
Thirty years ago the Conservatives were in charge when the coalmining industry packed up and then they had no plan as to how to deal with the human tragedy that was bound to ensue. Surely the Conservative Party would not make the same mistake twice.
* If the people affected are voters for your party, then apply subsidies, tax benefits, grants, etc.
* If the people affected are voters for the other party, then blame them and lecture them.
This is true regardless of which party is in power, as the miners and foxhunters can attest.0
