Liberals leading in Glengarry in Ottowa, Tories won with 48% in 2011
Does that actually mean anything though?
Yes, as CBC now projecting the Liberals have won the election
No, in that particular seat. The Liberals could be ahead after one vote is counted, for instance.
No, CBC have projected now the Liberals have won the general election and that Trudeau will be the next PM of Canada
Are you not reading what I posted? I asked if the fact that the liberals were ahead based on partial figures in a seat where the Tories got 48% was actually useful. The better comparator would be the vote share in those precincts that had declared.
Liberals leading in Glengarry in Ottowa, Tories won with 48% in 2011
Does that actually mean anything though?
Yes, as CBC now projecting the Liberals have won the election
No, in that particular seat. The Liberals could be ahead after one vote is counted, for instance.
No, CBC have projected now the Liberals have won the general election and that Trudeau will be the next PM of Canada
Are you not reading what I posted? I asked if the fact that the liberals were ahead based on partial figures in a seat where the Tories got 48% was actually useful. The better comparator would be the vote share in those precincts that had declared.
Maybe, but the projection is clear, Trudeau has won, the only issue now is the margin. I am off to bed soon and will confirm position in the morning
Liberals leading in Glengarry in Ottowa, Tories won with 48% in 2011
Does that actually mean anything though?
Yes, as CBC now projecting the Liberals have won the election
No, in that particular seat. The Liberals could be ahead after one vote is counted, for instance.
No, CBC have projected now the Liberals have won the general election and that Trudeau will be the next PM of Canada
Are you not reading what I posted? I asked if the fact that the liberals were ahead based on partial figures in a seat where the Tories got 48% was actually useful. The better comparator would be the vote share in those precincts that had declared.
Maybe, but the projection is clear, Trudeau has won, the only issue now is the margin. I am off to bed soon and will confirm position in the morning
The overall projection has nothing to do with what I am saying.
Liberals leading in Glengarry in Ottowa, Tories won with 48% in 2011
Does that actually mean anything though?
Yes, as CBC now projecting the Liberals have won the election
No, in that particular seat. The Liberals could be ahead after one vote is counted, for instance.
No, CBC have projected now the Liberals have won the general election and that Trudeau will be the next PM of Canada
Are you not reading what I posted? I asked if the fact that the liberals were ahead based on partial figures in a seat where the Tories got 48% was actually useful. The better comparator would be the vote share in those precincts that had declared.
Maybe, but the projection is clear, Trudeau has won, the only issue now is the margin. I am off to bed soon and will confirm position in the morning
The overall projection has nothing to do with what I am saying.
The Liberals presently lead in 158, Tories in 94, NDP 27, BQ 8. I don't think there is much doubt of the result now http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics
1.7 million votes counted so far. The total in 2011 was 14.7 million.
Yep. Like here, Labour areas tend to declare quickest. I don't think CBCs leading value is a projection, it just states which party is numerically in front. That doesn't change their overall projection though.
Liberals leading in Glengarry in Ottowa, Tories won with 48% in 2011
Does that actually mean anything though?
Yes, as CBC now projecting the Liberals have won the election
No, in that particular seat. The Liberals could be ahead after one vote is counted, for instance.
No, CBC have projected now the Liberals have won the general election and that Trudeau will be the next PM of Canada
Are you not reading what I posted? I asked if the fact that the liberals were ahead based on partial figures in a seat where the Tories got 48% was actually useful. The better comparator would be the vote share in those precincts that had declared.
Maybe, but the projection is clear, Trudeau has won, the only issue now is the margin. I am off to bed soon and will confirm position in the morning
The overall projection has nothing to do with what I am saying.
The Liberals presently lead in 158, Tories in 94, NDP 27, BQ 8. I don't think there is much doubt of the result now http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics
But they don't. Check how many are actually declared.
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks.
Agree with most of that except Trudeau's Liberals are not socially conservative
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
With the caveat that is based on ~15% of the vote.
It looks like the polls have probably underestimated the Conservative share of the vote.
They're already on 29% with just 20% of the votes counted so far. The most recent polls had them on about 31%. With 80% to be counted is difficult not to see them going beyond that.
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
With the caveat that is based on ~15% of the vote.
You are clutching at straws, the trend is clear. Anyway, I am calling it for Trudeau now and a Liberal majority, quite a comeback from third in 2011, will check if any further surprises in the morning. Night
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
With the caveat that is based on ~15% of the vote.
You are clutching at straws, the trend is clear. Anyway, I am calling it for Trudeau now and a Liberal majority, quite a comeback from third in 2011, will check if any further surprises in the morning. Night
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks.
Agree with most of that except Trudeau's Liberals are not socially conservative
They are to the right of the NDP on social issues. When Harper attacked islam the NDP was forced to defend it for ideological reasons, but canadians hate islam as much as they hate the Tories, so they couldn't support the NDP. Instead they went with their second anti-Tory option of the Liberals who are less muslim friendly than the NDP.
Crosby was a fool to undo the balance between the NDP and the Liberals by forcing anti-islamism into the fore, thus uniting the opposition behind the Liberals.
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks.
Agree with most of that except Trudeau's Liberals are not socially conservative
They are to the right of the NDP on social issues. When Harper attacked islam the NDP was forced to defend it for ideological reasons, but canadians hate islam as much as they hate the Tories, so they couldn't support the NDP. Instead they went with their second anti-Tory option of the Liberals who are less muslim friendly than the NDP.
Crosby was a fool to undo the balance between the NDP and the Liberals by forcing anti-islamism into the fore, thus uniting the opposition behind the Liberals.
Trudeau is pro gay marriage and pro action on climate change, although you may be right on the muslim point, night
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
With the caveat that is based on ~15% of the vote.
You are clutching at straws, the trend is clear. Anyway, I am calling it for Trudeau now and a Liberal majority, quite a comeback from third in 2011, will check if any further surprises in the morning. Night
From CBC, or are you going off the declared + leading numbers (which isn't a projection).
I'm watching CTV, I think they're "calling" it as a Majority, although I may be misunderstanding as I know precisely zero about Canadian politics!
That's fair enough then! The leading thing is quite misleading IMO. It should only tally for a particular party if they are projecting they will win the seat.
I think they call things much too soon. There are still 70% of the votes to be counted.
In fairness, it appears CBC know how the individual ballot boxes voted last time around - with info like that you can project pretty accurately from a small %.
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
Libs already down to 42.4% Continuing at this rate they'll end up behind the Tories
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result. He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two. Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks. Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
Libs already down to 42.4% Continuing at this rate they'll end up behind the Tories
The final figures could be something like 39% to 34%.
My first visit here and very attractive it is, though it has to be said that German cuisine is not one of the world's greatest. I mean, how many varieties of f***ing sausage does one need?!
Have the Chinese arrived and taken us over yet?
Oh and if my bank tries to charge me for the privilege of holding my money it can push right off!!
Miss Cyclefree, do try beef sausage with garlic and red pepper (I think that was one I had, not from Germany, but I haven't been able to find it since). Delicious.
And do not mock the sausage. Few foods have such easy comedy potential.
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Lib: 47.7%
Con:28.1%
NDP: 17.7%
http://globalnews.ca/news/2281127/federal-election-2015-live-real-time-results/
Crosby has utterly failed on this one, as I said 2/3rds of Canadians hated the Tories but before Crosby where evenly split behind which opposition party to support, Crosby united them behind a single party and now we see the result.
He did the opposite of divide and conquer.
In Britain though he has a much easier job, 2/3rds of Britons do not hate the Tory party yet and there is only one big opposition party instead of two.
Throwing social conservative barbs against Labour is much easier since a majority of the public here are either social or economic conservatives and there is no big party in Britain that is economically left wing and social conservative like the canadian Liberals to become the recipient party of Crosby's attacks.
Thus Labour is depressed to the core left while unable to acquire the necessary votes from social conservatives to win.
They're already on 29% with just 20% of the votes counted so far. The most recent polls had them on about 31%. With 80% to be counted is difficult not to see them going beyond that.
http://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e
When Harper attacked islam the NDP was forced to defend it for ideological reasons, but canadians hate islam as much as they hate the Tories, so they couldn't support the NDP.
Instead they went with their second anti-Tory option of the Liberals who are less muslim friendly than the NDP.
Crosby was a fool to undo the balance between the NDP and the Liberals by forcing anti-islamism into the fore, thus uniting the opposition behind the Liberals.
The most seats/Next PM markets has made for boring trading.
Goodnight all.
Greetings from a foggy and cold Munich.
My first visit here and very attractive it is, though it has to be said that German cuisine is not one of the world's greatest. I mean, how many varieties of f***ing sausage does one need?!
Have the Chinese arrived and taken us over yet?
Oh and if my bank tries to charge me for the privilege of holding my money it can push right off!!
Apropos Syrian migrants, a Bishop who knows what he is talking about.
Miss Cyclefree, do try beef sausage with garlic and red pepper (I think that was one I had, not from Germany, but I haven't been able to find it since). Delicious.
And do not mock the sausage. Few foods have such easy comedy potential.
And don't neglect the meat balls either.