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He's not the heir to Blair, he's the heir to MacMillan and Disraeli.
As for tax credit changes some on the left still don't get it. Reforms are to improve opportunities for those who have their incomes capped under tax credits and Gordon Brown's 80% tax for those on tax credits. By raising incomes and lowering taxes we can get true social mobility and uncapped low tax for those on low incomes to improve their lot. Capping incomes through welfare is the wrong way to help people. We can help people in a positive manner instead.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound · 2h2 hours ago
This may be the easiest speech any leader has made in 50 years. Standing ovations for opposing terrorism, supporting nuclear deterrence etc
That is entirely consistent with it being his best. You can only play against the opposition that you've got, as any football manager will tell you.
It was a good speech, right for the moment, right for the current state of the opposition, and of course right for Cons supporters.
There is one hole which will probably not go away and I wish they would plug it - namely that there will be losers with tax credit reform.
Everyone including Cam himself and Gove just now on WatO skirts round the issue. I suppose it is not allowed in today's soundbite economy to tell it like it is - that the Cons want to rebalance the economy away from tax credits (for reasons well-rehearsed on here), and as a result, as things stand, and during the transition...some people will be worse off.
But it leaves the wound open and me as a Cons supporter uneasy. If there was a halfway decent opposition (rather than much more bat awayable media questioning), it would be a problem.
In the last month, Lord Ashcroft has discomfited Dave more than Corbyn has.
That's damning for Labour
Now we need to make sure his successor is also from the centre ground. The Conservative party is once again a big tent and needs a leader towards the left of the party (ie the national centre ground). With UKIP to the popularist right and Labour to the far left, and of course the Lib Dems gone, the Conservatives can take control of pretty much the entire centre-left to traditional right ground.
And of course another important thing to get right before 2020 is boundary changes. That plus a decent centrist leader and there could well be a Tory landslide in 2020.
Whilst Dr Johnson was right, Corbyn has to explain why he doesn't hate Britain, doesn't support terrorism, and that's not going to be pleasant for him or Labour.
TSE - Sorry but McMillan and Disraeli would probably be turning in their graves at Cameron's recklessness towards Scotland and lord knows what they'd make of a party with a zombie membership and reliant on millionaires for their advertising campaigns.
The chat at conference was not to display hubris.
But Dave is making sure the party thinks it can only win with a continuity Cameron candidate.
Meanwhile today, back in reality, if you have kids and are on a low income, you're worse off.
As someone who has been espousing one nation conservatism long before Cameron came to the fore, he's the heir to MacMillan and Disraeli.
Look when he was at his most passionate, talking about a child at school is statistically more likely to have a smart phone than a father living at home, or 70% of prostitutes were ex care home children.
I can't help but think that 5 years of coalition has given Cameron the chance to define himself as something new. Yep, it would all have been done already if it weren't for those pesky Lib Dems.
He's making some interesting remarks on discrimination now but what will he do without intervention? Most of which Tories have spent years deriding as PC.
Not even close. Bernie can go to Regent University (ultra right, ultra conservative Christian college, set up by Pat Robertson) and deliver a commencement speech that deserves and gains the respect of his audience (and the media). He is not a US-basher, and whatever you think of his populist left-wing economics, they at least form a coherent philosophy which would in fact be pretty mainstream in the European centre left.
I agree it's the right thing to do, you agree it's the right thing to do and Cam agrees it's the right thing to do.
But those losers will be losers and the Cons need to admit and explain it.
Did you really just say that and mean it?
Jeremy Corbyn’s first response to Cameron’s speech is to complain that the Prime Minister attacked him http://t.co/4YNoQ38Fgx
"That bloody government has taken £1000 out of my wage"
"Never mind, David Cameron once said in a speech that he's concerned about poverty, that's all that matters."
David Cameron is 50/1 to win the Nobel Peace Prize, sneaks ahead of Jeremy Corbyn at 66/1.
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To be honest, I can't see much value anywhere there.
If Edward Snowden wins, the internet might just break.
Less laughter more stunned disbelief. Starting to think the Conservatives need their own Corbyn moment...
This isn't a Poll Tax moment - just like higher rate CTC weren't despite all the moaning.
It must have been good then.
I wonder how the Met & other forces will respond to DC's exhortations to prosecute perpetrators of FGM and forced marriages. Tumbleweed....?
Ditto schools - a hand-up to those who want to make the most of themselves, and fine indolent parents who don't bring their kids up to value education.
Cameron is combining responsible conservative principles with classic conservative zeal for social justice.
Labour leads to bankruptcy and the poor suffering the most.
Conservatives lead to progress.
I honestly think public perception is the exact opposite: Osborne comes across as the right-wing ideologue who loves slapping poor people in the face, while May comes across as the sensible grown-up putting national interest ahead of party interest. And the (admittedly limited) number of polls so far have put May ahead of Osborne with non-Tory voters.
I'm talking about acceptance of homosexuality, lack of racism, judging people on their merits not group characteristics, etc.
Downing Street said that the new inspection regime would apply to an estimated 5,000 religious institutions offering eight or more hours of study a week to children in England, including Christian Sunday schools and Jewish yeshivas as well as up to 2,000 madrassas.
Many of these offer teaching within places of worship, but others are conducted in homes.
At present, these institutions are not required to register with the authorities and are not subject to inspection.
They will now have to register with the Department for Education, and faith groups will be consulted on the precise details of how inspections should be conducted and whether they should be carried out by schools watchdog Ofsted or another body.
Of course many of these problems have been neglected by politicians of all stripes because they are very difficult. Where are these 200K homes going to be built? What do we do about racism in employment? Will Gove's ideas actually work? How do we stop large scale immigration without taking away the right of UK citizens to marry who they choose? Are we really going to send thousands of failed asylum seekers back to very dodgy regimes like Iran on the basis that they are nicer now? Will the northern powerhouse deliver any more than Heseltine's failed attempts to revive Liverpool? How do we balance the campaign against extremism and freedom of speech? Is there not a risk that the reforms of LG spending will doom poorer areas to a cycle of despair and abandonment? Who will provide the specialist services for children with additional needs such as speech therapy when LEAs no longer exist?
So many questions and inevitably some disappointments and failures down the line. But, ultimately, a party engaging with the world how it is unlike the dreamland that Labour have gone to.
The sensible solution is to deport those preaching hate and tighten our borders. Neither of those things will happen.
I agree with antifrank. This continues to be a right-wing government that sounds centrist. The very fact that Cameron can convince so many to the contrary is a testament to the success of his strategy.
Cameron striking liberal tone on prisons and now on racism and sexism. Tories don't just want to own centre ground, but the centre left too
IF generation rent are STILL generation rent in four years time, things could get a bit awkward for the conservatives.
Personally I would extend that principle to anyone bringing in Labour from outside of the country. They should be liable to pay in full all the costs associated with that person being in the country from the time they arrive to the time they leave. So if you import labour from Poland or Portugal and then get rid of it after a year when you don't need it anymore, then as an employer you should be charged the full costs of the benefits that person is paid until they either leave the country or find alternative employment. What you should not be allowed to do is import labour and then deny any further responsibility once you no longer need them.
I don't think either of those things would have happened with a Labour government.
It's a very Liberal government, not a right-wing one.
It's a government that believes in the people to do the right thing, in unleashing them from the dead hand of the state and permitting them to fulfill their potential.
That doesn't sound very right wing to me.
Plus, although he can't help this, his manner and personality just comes across as a "typical Tory" in a way that May and (to some extent) Cameron do not.
That the Cons can step back and say: with the exceptions of extremism and those who preach division, which we intend to address, society has moved and continues to move on and we recognise that and want to be a party for that society, is to their very great credit, and will add many many votes to their tally in 2020.
"Right-wing" is not code for arsehole.
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If they're failed, they're failed. You send them back. Otherwise, what's the point in having a system?
Some big promises have been made this week on housing, incomes and immigration, among other things. In normal circumstances, a Tory government might worry that not living up to them might spell electoral trouble. But with Corbyn in charge of Labour that is not a problem.
Basically, Corbyn's election has given the Tories free rein to do and say what they want knowing it will make no difference. That they have decided to tack left as a result is probably the most interesting development this conference season.
Whether such a strategic shift could work remains to be seen. Labour voters tend to vote against the Tories, so it's a very hard sell even with Corbyn.
Speaking as someone who grew up in 1970s/80s Belfast, IMO organised religion has NO place in running educational establishments. All it does is embed the "them / us" attitude into young minds that then get hobbled with it.
And yes - for the avoidance of doubt - I include CoE and RC schools in that too.
Even if they do, that may trample on very tory toes in the home counties and shires.