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  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683

    Economics 101
    David Smith in the Sunday Times points out that our growth since 1Q 2010 has matched America's. Revisions to the ONS figures show there were no double or triple dip recession and we had stronger growth in 2011 than 2010 when everyone was screaming against so called austerity. So sorry all you dim lefties, Osborne's policies did not stunt growth. You will have to find another fantasy world to live in.

    It seems we are likely to see a slowdown in jobs growth and an increase in productivity in future.

    Oh dear. Mr Blanchflower wrong again. Corbyn clearly choosing advisors from the bottom of the barrel.
    I think most of his advisors have crawled out from under the barrel.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    MG You have convinced me..you are obviously a severe case and I will discount my fee..all lessons from now on will be free..this may be seen as a benefit in kind so please inform the HMRC...I will.

    Dribble dribble dribble Dotage man
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,016
    edited 2015 07
    malcolmg said:

    MG You have convinced me..you are obviously a severe case and I will discount my fee..all lessons from now on will be free..this may be seen as a benefit in kind so please inform the HMRC...I will.

    Dribble dribble dribble Dotage man
    Malcom G wittered:
    Most of these are just a fiddle though, PAYE employees do not get the option to offset anything and everything, you just get hammered. You get massive benefits in dividends and what you can claim against versus PAYE.

    But, for me.
    You can't have the penny and the bun. Being self employed has advantages, so does being self employed. The reverse also applies. I've been both .... for a while at the same time!

    Now I'm retired with a bus pass and, now, a free TV licence (why??).
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited 2015 07

    malcolmg said:

    Ilkley's nice. Went up on the Moor in the past, usually with a hound bounding around.

    Was also nice after the Tour de France. As per the song, I remembered to take my hat (just as well, as it pissed it down).

    How is the new mutt, Mr D.? Should be developing nicely into a young dog by now, any chance of more pictures?
    Afternoon Hurst, saw your post earlier, given the riff raff and tone on today I am not as ebullient as yesterday , doubt I will stick around long tonight.
    I think it's Mr Hurst to you!
    Oi! It might be Mr. Hurst, or it might not be (depends where I am identifying today) . Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms G has gone for the informal approach, not something of which I would normally approve but, in this multi-gender world, understandable in the interests of brevity aside from anything else. What must surely be wrong is for you to decide how he should address me when you don't know how I am identifying.

    As it happens I am thinking of asking you all to call me Loretta in future because I want to have babies.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    malcolmg said:

    MG You have convinced me..you are obviously a severe case and I will discount my fee..all lessons from now on will be free..this may be seen as a benefit in kind so please inform the HMRC...I will.

    Dribble dribble dribble Dotage man
    Malcom G wittered:
    Most of these are just a fiddle though, PAYE employees do not get the option to offset anything and everything, you just get hammered. You get massive benefits in dividends and what you can claim against versus PAYE.
    But, for me.
    You can't have the penny and the bun. Being self employed has advantages, so does being self employed. The reverse also applies. I've been both .... for a while at the same time!

    Now I'm retired with a bus pass and, now, a free TV licence (why??).

    Exactly , as stated if someone doesn't like it then get a PAYE job. Working as company brings lots more benefits , so should be no need for whinging. Also if you don't like travelling get a job near home or move house.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756

    malcolmg said:

    Ilkley's nice. Went up on the Moor in the past, usually with a hound bounding around.

    Was also nice after the Tour de France. As per the song, I remembered to take my hat (just as well, as it pissed it down).

    How is the new mutt, Mr D.? Should be developing nicely into a young dog by now, any chance of more pictures?
    Afternoon Hurst, saw your post earlier, given the riff raff and tone on today I am not as ebullient as yesterday , doubt I will stick around long tonight.
    I think it's Mr Hurst to you!
    Oi! It might be Mr. Hurst, or it might not be (depends where I am identifying today) . Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms G has gone for the informal approach, not something of which I would normally approve but, in this multi-gender world, understandable in the interests of brevity aside from anything else. What must surely be wrong is for you to decide how he should address me when you don't know how I am identifying.

    As it happens I am thinking of asking you all to call me Loretta in future because I want to have babies.
    Hurst , I am now concerned to be anything but vague in case I upset anyone, who knows what is going on nowadays. However I am being ordered to the shops for supplies , have a great evening.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    FIFA has an ethics committee?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    'FIFA's ethics committee'

    What a strange concept.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ilkley's nice. Went up on the Moor in the past, usually with a hound bounding around.

    Was also nice after the Tour de France. As per the song, I remembered to take my hat (just as well, as it pissed it down).

    How is the new mutt, Mr D.? Should be developing nicely into a young dog by now, any chance of more pictures?
    Afternoon Hurst, saw your post earlier, given the riff raff and tone on today I am not as ebullient as yesterday , doubt I will stick around long tonight.
    I think it's Mr Hurst to you!
    Oi! It might be Mr. Hurst, or it might not be (depends where I am identifying today) . Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms G has gone for the informal approach, not something of which I would normally approve but, in this multi-gender world, understandable in the interests of brevity aside from anything else. What must surely be wrong is for you to decide how he should address me when you don't know how I am identifying.

    As it happens I am thinking of asking you all to call me Loretta in future because I want to have babies.
    Hurst , I am now concerned to be anything but vague in case I upset anyone, who knows what is going on nowadays. However I am being ordered to the shops for supplies , have a great evening.
    And you, old porpoise. Have a good evening.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    malcolmg said:

    Ilkley's nice. Went up on the Moor in the past, usually with a hound bounding around.

    Was also nice after the Tour de France. As per the song, I remembered to take my hat (just as well, as it pissed it down).

    How is the new mutt, Mr D.? Should be developing nicely into a young dog by now, any chance of more pictures?
    Afternoon Hurst, saw your post earlier, given the riff raff and tone on today I am not as ebullient as yesterday , doubt I will stick around long tonight.
    I think it's Mr Hurst to you!
    Oi! It might be Mr. Hurst, or it might not be (depends where I am identifying today) . Mr., Mrs., Miss, Ms G has gone for the informal approach, not something of which I would normally approve but, in this multi-gender world, understandable in the interests of brevity aside from anything else. What must surely be wrong is for you to decide how he should address me when you don't know how I am identifying.

    As it happens I am thinking of asking you all to call me Loretta in future because I want to have babies.
    I second your right to have babies!

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238

    Ilkley's nice. Went up on the Moor in the past, usually with a hound bounding around.

    Was also nice after the Tour de France. As per the song, I remembered to take my hat (just as well, as it pissed it down).

    Bah. That's nowt. I've kipped on the moor, in my bivvy tent, just a short distance from the Twelve Apostles stone circle.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Apostles,_West_Yorkshire

    I removed not only my hat, but all the rest of my clothes as well. :)
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited 2015 07
    MP_SE said:

    If you thought Nigel Farage was a swivel eyed loon, this Guy Verhofstadt is in a league of his own. This is what the Europhiles really have in mind for us:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_VbHfgPVlg

    Every crisis is caused by the same problem: Not enough EU.

    Pure idiocy. And then he fulfils Godwin's law. What is most scary is how the parliament applauds him. I really do not want to be ruled by this body.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    watford30 said:

    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    'FIFA's ethics committee'

    What a strange concept.
    Similar to "Military Intelligence" - an oxymoron.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    malcolmg said:

    JEO said:

    isam said:

    JEO said:



    Fair enough. My view is tolerance and freedom but that the traditional family unit is so fundamental to a free and stable society that the government should encourage and promote it.

    Plenty of social liberals would disagree with that.

    Mr. Royale, when you say a traditional family unit do you mean a woman and man in wedlock and their children (together with the extended family grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins etc.)? If so then your idea that the state should encourage and promote such an institution puts you beyond the pale. Never mind social liberals, even the modern Conservative Party will see such attitudes as belonging to some ghastly person unfit to take part in human discourse.
    I would regard the traditional family as two adults in wedlock, observing monogamy, plus any children born to them.
    I suppose we are to assume these adults are cisgender and from the male and female sections of the three possible sexes? Pfff
    I'm sorry, I get you're being sarcastic, but I don't understand your point. Are you protesting the idea that gay people should be able to participate in the traditional family model?
    I believe he is commenting from viewpoint of a great discussion we had last night, which if you had been in it makes it funny comment.
    Of course, the idea that there are a mere three sexes is laughably naive, but we forgive Isam because we love him here.
    Have to say I was lost last night with the amount of sexes available, was amazed that there were more than two.
    You are correct. There are only two.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    This just gets more surreal

    Left wingers called me "terrorist"; said I can't be Tory as I'm not "white", tried to egg me - a new kinder politics http://t.co/pBjEy3ke5V
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    FIFA has an ethics committee?
    It presumably sets the level of ethics appropriate for FIFA. Innovatively, this may involve a ceiling rather than a floor.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    edited 2015 07
    GeoffM said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    malcolmg said:

    JEO said:

    isam said:

    JEO said:



    Fair enough. My view is tolerance and freedom but that the traditional family unit is so fundamental to a free and stable society that the government should encourage and promote it.

    Plenty of social liberals would disagree with that.

    Mr. Royale, when you say a traditional family unit do you mean a woman and man in wedlock and their children (together with the extended family grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins etc.)? If so then your idea that the state should encourage and promote such an institution puts you beyond the pale. Never mind social liberals, even the modern Conservative Party will see such attitudes as belonging to some ghastly person unfit to take part in human discourse.
    both

    I would regard the traditional family as two adults in wedlock, observing monogamy, plus any children born to them.
    I suppose we are to assume these adults are cisgender and from the male and female sections of the three possible sexes? Pfff
    I'm sorry, I get you're being sarcastic, but I don't understand your point. Are you protesting the idea that gay people should be able to participate in the traditional family model?
    I believe he is commenting from viewpoint of a great discussion we had last night, which if you had been in it makes it funny comment.
    Of course, the idea that there are a mere three sexes is laughably naive, but we forgive Isam because we love him here.
    Have to say I was lost last night with the amount of sexes available, was amazed that there were more than two.
    You are correct. There are only two.
    You are both wrong. Leaving aside psychological gender associations, there are also biologically more than two sexes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    After all the prison talk today, this made me smile

    Harvard's debate team loses to a group of New York inmates http://t.co/aQ4S3sUAah http://t.co/IQXv4zKVis
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    FIFA has an ethics committee?
    It presumably sets the level of ethics appropriate for FIFA. Innovatively, this may involve a ceiling rather than a floor.
    Mrs J thoroughly approves of that comment. ;)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,130
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    FIFA has an ethics committee?
    It presumably sets the level of ethics appropriate for FIFA. Innovatively, this may involve a ceiling rather than a floor.
    That's rather good :)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,015

    Economics 101
    David Smith in the Sunday Times points out that our growth since 1Q 2010 has matched America's. Revisions to the ONS figures show there were no double or triple dip recession and we had stronger growth in 2011 than 2010 when everyone was screaming against so called austerity. So sorry all you dim lefties, Osborne's policies did not stunt growth. You will have to find another fantasy world to live in.

    It seems we are likely to see a slowdown in jobs growth and an increase in productivity in future.

    So in spite of very solid growth he has still missed his borrowing targets by the proverbial mile. Eliminating the deficit over the course of the last parliament being the central plank of his plan lest we forget. Thank god he didn't stay the course.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    GeoffM said:

    malcolmg said:

    John_M said:

    malcolmg said:

    JEO said:

    isam said:

    JEO said:



    Fair enough. My view is tolerance and freedom but that the traditional family unit is so fundamental to a free and stable society that the government should encourage and promote it.

    Plenty of social liberals would disagree with that.

    Mr. Royale, when you say a traditional family unit do you mean a woman and man in wedlock and their children (together with the extended family grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins etc.)? If so then your idea that the state should encourage and promote such an institution puts you beyond the pale. Never mind social liberals, even the modern Conservative Party will see such attitudes as belonging to some ghastly person unfit to take part in human discourse.
    both

    I would regard the traditional family as two adults in wedlock, observing monogamy, plus any children born to them.
    I suppose we are to assume these adults are cisgender and from the male and female sections of the three possible sexes? Pfff
    I'm sorry, I get you're being sarcastic, but I don't understand your point. Are you protesting the idea that gay people should be able to participate in the traditional family model?
    I believe he is commenting from viewpoint of a great discussion we had last night, which if you had been in it makes it funny comment.
    Of course, the idea that there are a mere three sexes is laughably naive, but we forgive Isam because we love him here.
    Have to say I was lost last night with the amount of sexes available, was amazed that there were more than two.
    You are correct. There are only two.
    You are both wrong. Leaving aside psychological gender associations, there are also biologically more than two sexes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
    If I were being pedantic, I would say that there are biologically two sexes but that some people bear biological manifestations of both.

    Not that such pedantry would have made Caster Semenya feel any better when she was so disgracefully treated by the IAAF.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,266
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    isam said:

    John_M said:

    malcolmg said:

    JEO said:

    isam said:

    JEO said:



    Fair enough. My view is tolerance and freedom but that the traditional family unit is so fundamental to a free and stable society that the government should encourage and promote it.

    Plenty of social liberals would disagree with that.

    Mr. Royale, when you say a traditional family unit do you mean a woman and man in wedlock and their children (together with the extended family grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins etc.)? If so then your idea that the state should encourage and promote such an institution puts you beyond the pale. Never mind social liberals, even the modern Conservative Party will see such attitudes as belonging to some ghastly person unfit to take part in human discourse.
    I would regard the traditional family as two adults in wedlock, observing monogamy, plus any children born to them.
    I suppose we are to assume these adults are cisgender and from the male and female sections of the three possible sexes? Pfff
    I'm sorry, I get you're being sarcastic, but I don't understand your point. Are you protesting the idea that gay people should be able to participate in the traditional family model?
    I believe he is commenting from viewpoint of a great discussion we had last night, which if you had been in it makes it funny comment.
    Of course, the idea that there are a mere three sexes is laughably naive, but we forgive Isam because we love him here.
    Sorry, I was guided by Dair's post yesterday that stated the blatantly obvious, long accepted truth that humans are easily divided into either male, female or intersex... the three standards
    Cameron's speech seems to have brought out the best in the Tories today , they are snarling and gnashing on every post. It was supposed to be great as well.
    Its not just the Tories who have been impressed
    Who else , tell me
    Many labour members reflecting on what could have been if they hadn't lost their marbles
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    watford30 said:

    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    'FIFA's ethics committee'

    What a strange concept.
    Is it's first recorded action?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,137
    New thread.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    antifrank said:

    BBC 5 live Sport ‏@5liveSport · 9m9 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Sepp Blatter has been suspended for 90 days by FIFA's ethics committee.

    The only way this report can make sense is if the committee is based in Chelmsford and the spokesperson had a lisp.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    Carnyx said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Carnyx said:

    dr_spyn said:

    This story re Forth Bridge closure is a bit odd. Any Scottish residents any wiser about what is going on up there or why?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-34469042

    Afternoon, Dr S. Looks as if they thought they found some possible blinds from an old demolition job.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/forth-road-bridge-closed-after-explosives-found-1-3910304#axzz3ntepcPhQ
    Thanks, wires leading to explosives from the 60s. Must have been a Friday afternoon job.

    The explanation is more far fetched than any of Blaster Bates' tales.
    We'll see - I suspect it is just media reporting that has muddled it a bit. My guess is that there was some leftover det cord from the old 1960s blasting of the routes for the first road bridge. I wondered if the 'wires' were prestressed concrete that hadn't been severed, but the EOD were there.
    I can't recall having heard of this happen on a construction site before, at least with alleged demo explosives that are so old. Plenty of cases of explosives found during construction, but those are usually the sort dropped from 10,000 feet and higher.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Economics 101
    David Smith in the Sunday Times points out that our growth since 1Q 2010 has matched America's. Revisions to the ONS figures show there were no double or triple dip recession and we had stronger growth in 2011 than 2010 when everyone was screaming against so called austerity. So sorry all you dim lefties, Osborne's policies did not stunt growth. You will have to find another fantasy world to live in.

    It seems we are likely to see a slowdown in jobs growth and an increase in productivity in future.

    So in spite of very solid growth he has still missed his borrowing targets by the proverbial mile. Eliminating the deficit over the course of the last parliament being the central plank of his plan lest we forget. Thank god he didn't stay the course.
    He did not say eliminate the deficit, he said eliminate the structural deficit. The structural deficit proved to be bigger. Again read the articles on this by David Smith
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Bizarre

    ...and the latest Yesser boycott is..... Eamonn Holmes.

    No idea why, but as you can see, they are as nasty as ever. http://t.co/BaKXzJvPe9
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Now this my kind of Top Gun:

    Captain Balislava, one of #Russia's fighter pilots who bombed brutal misogynists of #ISIL today #KarmaHasAPrettyFace pic.twitter.com/lXlP8GCh1b

    — Mark Sleboda (@MarkSleboda1) October 7, 2015
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