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Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."0 -
Some ministers talk well (May), some don't but actually achieve things (IDS) - a few do both (Gove).isam said:Hard to see how May can be a realistic runner to replace Cameron when she has failed spectacularly by her own measure as Home Sec, esp when immigration is the number one issue of concern for voters
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Yes, I think I agree on the first two (both personally and as a guess as to what the party would do). On May vs Javid, at present Javid is still a bit inexperienced and he needs to become more fluent in interviews and speeches, but there's a couple of years to go and I think that he might well be the eventual winner if that were the match-up.TheWhiteRabbit said:
May v BoJo... May?
May v Osbo... Osbo?
May v Javid... ??0 -
That's the thing: it isn't a joke, she actually means it.rcs1000 said:
You know, I kind of get that the "#killallwhitemen' hashtag is humour, and I wouldn't charge someone for using it.Casino_Royale said:
Good.Plato_Says said:Golly
Student diversity officer who tweeted 'kill all white men' is charged http://t.co/VLEgqM443j http://t.co/saniKdqCrh
"Ms Mustafa explained that she could not be guilty of sexism or racism against white men "because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender and therefore women of colour and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist, since we do not stand to benefit from such a system."
And ain't that the truth?
But that paragraph about 'structures of privilege' is just appalling, scary drivel.0 -
Falling commodity prices do benefit the UK.Sean_F said:
Wouldn't falling commodity prices generally benefit the UK economy?antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
From a straight economic perspective, a lower price of oil and other commodities increases GDP. (GDP = Consumption + Investment - Less Net Imports - a lower import bill therefore means higher GDP.)0 -
It's probably one of Shakespeare's most popular lines.Richard_Nabavi said:
Hard to get a jury to convict on that one, though.antifrank said:On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".
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We need nightly polling, usually released at 22.00. Hopefully this will lead to the much-missed comments of 'crossover', 'tick tock', and pictures of squirrels in amusing positions.Alistair said:
What we need is rolling polling.antifrank said:The polls on EU membership seem all over the place. Is public opinion volatile or are some polls simply wrong? Right now it's hard to tell.
It had f'all to do with the result of the GE, but it gave us all something to talk about as posters examined the entrails of every single point movement and subsample for meaning that was not there..0 -
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.0 -
Mr. 1000, indeed. It's crazy.
This reminds me a little of an anecdote I vaguely recall from Philip Matyszak's Classical Compendium (which I do recommend).
There was a Roman oaf, let's call him Gaius, for argument's sake. He was so loathsome people used to pelt him wherever he went. He complained and got the magistrates to pass a law saying only soft fruit could be thrown at people. One day someone went to a magistrate and asked whether a pine cone was a fruit.
"It is if you intend to throw it at Gaius," the magistrate replied.0 -
I suspect it's a common belief amongst university diversity officers, and probably more broadly throughout the Corbynite Left too.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Royale, if that's the defence she deserves to lose.
I'm all in favour of broad boundaries, especially for comedy, but saying women can never be sexist and non-whites can never be racist is palpable nonsense.0 -
It would be interesting to know if she's ever had (or has) a white British boyfriend.Sean_F said:
I doubt if it was meant literally. It's called "punching up" which roughly means that a member of an "oppressed" group is entitled to be as abusive as they like about an "oppressor" group. It doesn't mean she really wants to kill white men. She just wants to express her loathing for them.JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.0 -
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?0 -
Huge downpour all of a sudden. Hope it's not raining tomorrow morning, The hound seems to dislike wet weather.0
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Spitting is particularly nasty.John_M said:
That seems fair. Burn me in effigy all your like. Mind you, throw stuff or spit on me - I'd lay out anyone who did that.Dair said:
Yes, physical violence and bodily fluids cross the line.Richard_Tyndall said:
I agree. The line should be drawn at actual physical violence. I do however include spitting in that. Personally I am of the view that spitting at someone should be considered to be assault. It is a disgusting habit which, in the past, has been associated with the spread of disease. And I would hate to think what diseases some of the protesting crusties are harbouring.Dair said:
The hanging or burning of effigies has a long and illustrious history in Great Britain.SeanT said:Has the "hanging Tory effigy" story been discussed here already, or something?
To me it is astonishing.
I believe there is even a national festival dedicated to just such things.
Egging, flouring, soaking, to me these are reasonably borderline activities. I'll faux outrage when the other side do it but laugh if it's my own side.
Burning or hanging effigies, absolutely fine. The Tory hypocrisy over this is stunning but not unexpected.0 -
The world goes through long cycles when commodity exporters are on-top (the 1970s, 2000 to 2014), and long period when commodity importers are on-top (the 80s and 90s, and I suspect, now).antifrank said:
Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."
During the last decade and a half we have had to hand over more and more of our own economic output just to receive the same amount (or actually diminishing) quantities of raw materials such as oil, natural gas, coal, etc.
The cycle has now turned, and for the next who knows how long we will hand over smaller and smaller quantities of our economic output to get the same amounts of raw materials.
It is a mega shift in terms of trade and economics, and will support resource importers' economies in a much underappreciated way.0 -
Haha, let's forget your quoting Severin Carrell which immediately undermines the entire thing, concentrate on how nothing is being privatised. A purchased service, which was always a purchased service is going to be a purchased service for the best possible price.Dair said:Scott_P said:
QuiteDair said:Laughable hypocrisy from the resident rent-a-quote loony.
it leaves the Scottish National party government open to charges of hypocrisy and opportunism.
Sturgeon, the first minister and SNP leader, had campaigned heavily against increasing privatisation of the public sector in England during the referendum campaign and the general election, particularly in the NHS. Now all Scottish hospitals will buy their water and waste water services from the privatised utility, as well as nearly 100 other public sector bodies, including all universities and colleges.
Result!.
He is not bright enough to see that, his loyalist hatred of Scotland blinds him to reality.0 -
I quite liked Boris' speech but then I'm not a Tory. What was it people didn't like? He was perhaps a little short on detail or any true guiding philosophy but I can't help but feel the reason Tories don't like it is because he didn't sound tough enough on all the bad people or sufficiently stir their social darwinist juices.0
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It seems diversity offices are a strangely undiverse lot.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect it's a common belief amongst university diversity officers, and probably more broadly throughout the Corbynite Left too.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Royale, if that's the defence she deserves to lose.
I'm all in favour of broad boundaries, especially for comedy, but saying women can never be sexist and non-whites can never be racist is palpable nonsense.0 -
Is there one place where all the EU referendum polling is?0
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???FrankBooth said:
Only interesting if you know who the audience is. Are they typical of Tory party members?Plato_Says said:Adam Boulton
Interesting #CPC15 Gove's liberal Prison speech got a full standing ovation, May's tough immigration talk didn't.0 -
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.MonikerDiCanio said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
So much for the great Scottish business revival that was going to be unleashed by an independent Scotland..... Of course, lost Scottish jobs and bankrupt Scottish businesses are all fair game so long as the Scottish Govt. is getting value for money".... says Dair.0 -
Haven't seen the details, seems a weird one to prosecute and IIRC it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. It may be however she has tweeted something mroe direct. The case continues...Sean_F said:
It's probably one of Shakespeare's most popular lines.Richard_Nabavi said:
Hard to get a jury to convict on that one, though.antifrank said:On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".
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I hope that's right, but I am not sure that it is. I sense trouble.antifrank said:
Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."
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Mr. G, do please knock the 'Loyalist' nonsense on the head. Just as you politely requested the term 'Scotch' not be used, so I'd like the unwelcome use of 'Loyalist' to end.0
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So much for the great Scottish business revival that was going to be unleashed by an independent Scotland..... Of course, lost Scottish jobs and bankrupt Scottish businesses are all fair game so long as the Scottish Govt. is getting value for money".... says Dair.MarqueeMark said:
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.MonikerDiCanio said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
LOL , worse than the other turkey , the public service continues as it did and the SNP save us £40M on top, win win yet again.0 -
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.0 -
There was an amusing link posted here back in April/May about Natalie Bennett saying all white men should be bred out, or some such.
IIRC, we spent at least twenty minutes or so on here wondering whether or not it was a spoof.0 -
I bet it's owned and run by TORIES too, ones who in the eyes of rabid Nats, filter the water through sheets and blankets stolen from poor old people and the cots of babies.watford30 said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
Anglo-saxons were basically German, were they not?0 -
The SNP giving taxpayer money to profitable private companies is all the rage nowMonikerDiCanio said:It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.
The Zoomers love it.
@heraldscotland: No committee recall for Fiona Hyslop over T in the Park funding http://t.co/xibt5sXiyi http://t.co/RW3ETy4y9f
@ScottyNational: Advert: Did you make £6.24m profit in 2014 but would like another £150k? Apply now for a Scottish Government 'Special Acquaintances' grant.0 -
Yes, if you scroll halfway down.pbr2013 said:Is there one place where all the EU referendum polling is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union0 -
I've no idea what will happen but I'm amazed by the lack of media discussion of the huge current account deficit. Always been a sign of trouble in the past 40 years.SouthamObserver said:
I hope that's right, but I am not sure that it is. I sense trouble.antifrank said:
Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."0 -
We all know Yvette lost.
Not sure why she has to remind everyone with her own #notleadership tag though...
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/651411910592700417
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One and the same thing for us MDMorris_Dancer said:Mr. G, do please knock the 'Loyalist' nonsense on the head. Just as you politely requested the term 'Scotch' not be used, so I'd like the unwelcome use of 'Loyalist' to end.
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CheersSean_F said:
Yes, if you scroll halfway down.pbr2013 said:Is there one place where all the EU referendum polling is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union0 -
The Lord Advocate has said police will "follow the evidence" in its investigation into property deals conducted by SNP MP Michelle Thomson's lawyer.
http://m.stv.tv/news/east-central/1330198-lord-advocate-police-will-follow-evidence-in-michelle-thomson-probe/
Ms Thomson is linked to 13 transactions Christopher Hales conducted in 2010-11 where properties were bought at knock-down prices.
The properties were purchased cheaply from clients looking for a quick sale and sold at a huge mark-up the same day where complicated "cashback" deals were used to artificially inflate property prices to secure bigger loans from lenders.0 -
Mr. G, not quite sure what your reply means, I'm afraid.0
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Any sensible law - and indeed, any sensible jury - would take context into account.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?0 -
Extra froth with your frothing there, calm down or you will explodeScott_P said:
The SNP giving taxpayer money to profitable private companies is all the rage nowMonikerDiCanio said:It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.
The Zoomers love it.
@heraldscotland: No committee recall for Fiona Hyslop over T in the Park funding http://t.co/xibt5sXiyi http://t.co/RW3ETy4y9f
@ScottyNational: Advert: Did you make £6.24m profit in 2014 but would like another £150k? Apply now for a Scottish Government 'Special Acquaintances' grant.0 -
Quite agree - however distasteful what she says may have been - not being allowed to say it is far more dangerous for society as a whole.antifrank said:
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.
Banging my head on the desk in response to her supposed 'defence' though. For Free Speech reasons I want her to win the case - but absolutely not with that defence!0 -
According to Twitter, the tweet for which Bahar Mustafa was arrested was not the one in May which kicked off a furore.0
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I was marketing officer at my students' union for a year, but not as a sabbatical. To be honest I didn't do very much other than attend council meetings and do the occasional poster. However, I was the only one to vote against a motion in favour of promoting multiculturalism in a meeting of twenty.rcs1000 said:
It seems diversity offices are a strangely undiverse lot.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect it's a common belief amongst university diversity officers, and probably more broadly throughout the Corbynite Left too.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Royale, if that's the defence she deserves to lose.
I'm all in favour of broad boundaries, especially for comedy, but saying women can never be sexist and non-whites can never be racist is palpable nonsense.
But everyone knew I was a Tory so I was sort of tolerated as no real threat.0 -
It seems from the twitter comments I have read that Theresa May's speech has achieved the worst of all worlds.
She has managed to sound like the worst kind of little Englander whilst letting in loads of migrants at the same time.
Leader? No thanks.0 -
Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.0 -
Labour won't win again until they realise it's not unpleasant to want mass immigration under control.MarkHopkins said:
We all know Yvette lost.
Not sure why she has to remind everyone with her own #notleadership tag though...
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/6514119105927004170 -
I suspect that the police have set it up like it's been set up to achieve the result it's achievedLadyBucket said:Just back from my weekly visit to Manchester. I saw the abusive, foul-mouthed, great unwashed outside the conservative conference. What an appallying bunch they are.
I don't understand why the police have set it up like they have. The delegates must have felt like they were "walking the plan."
I'm not sure Fraser Nelson (The Spectator) appreciated being called a "child killer" and other unmentionable things.0 -
I don't think someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all [insert race here] men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. When you see crowds of people at the Conservative conference spitting at people they think deserve it because they're supposedly part of the white conservative patriarchy, or hanging mannequins of financiers as lynching victims from motorway bridges, it's clear there is a tendency towards violence.antifrank said:
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech and I also believe that means allowing people to say things I find repellent. The question is whether that should include direct threats of violence.0 -
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.0 -
As I recall it's because such people argue racism is about power relations, and so since in this country it was whites oppressing non-whites (or the wrong whites), the historic power relations mean it is impossible to be racist in the other direction, merely unpleasant. Seems like nonsense to me.Casino_Royale said:
I suspect it's a common belief amongst university diversity officersMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Royale, if that's the defence she deserves to lose.
I'm all in favour of broad boundaries, especially for comedy, but saying women can never be sexist and non-whites can never be racist is palpable nonsense.0 -
Was that the Long Term Economic Plan?LadyBucket said:Just back from my weekly visit to Manchester. I saw the abusive, foul-mouthed, great unwashed outside the conservative conference. What an appallying bunch they are.
I don't understand why the police have set it up like they have. The delegates must have felt like they were "walking the plan."
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Would we install electrified razor wire along the border?HurstLlama said:
That is what as known as a win-win.logical_song said:
But what about Scotland demanding a new Indy Ref in we leave the EU?rcs1000 said:
I think the economic claims of both "In" and "Out" are massively overstated. Britain will not lose 3 million jobs if we leave the EU. Nor, if we leave, will Britain sign a Free Trade Agreement with China that allows British firms to sell free of tariffs to the Chinese.Sean_F said:
I don't see Leave or Remain making more than a marginal economic difference either way.blackburn63 said:
But what is the economic risk? We are net contributors.Richard_Nabavi said:
1) Conservatives won't blindly follow Cameron on this.isam said:The kind of attitude the screaming Eagles talks of is why UKIP couldn't just stand aside and let the Tories have the votes they got as Richard Nabavi likes to suggest they should have. Cameron as PM holds massive sway over the referendum result, simply because many conservatives will blindly do whatever he recommends...I would like to see odds on him recommending to leave from people suggesting he may do so....
2) Cameron will recommend staying In. There is not a snowflake's chance in hell of him recommending Out.
What it comes down to is that, both for Cameron and for a very large proportion of Conservative voters, membership of the EU is seen as an economic necessity. There's lots about it that they don't like, but on balance the idea of leaving doesn't seem a serious option. In any case leaving wouldn't necessarily free the country from the things about the EU which people don't like, so why take the economic risk?
For me, the reasons for leaving are political.
In fact, our terms of trade would change very little in the event of "Out". We would still (almost certainly) sign-up to TTIP. We would almost certainly sign a deal with the EU that would be very similar to those which the Swiss and the Norwegians have (and therefore we would still be net contributors, albeit to a more modest level. And more importantly, we'd get to choose whether we had farm subsidies, and if so, how much).
The most likely negative consequences of an "Out" vote would be in the 3-4 year period when it wasn't clear what our ongoing relationship with the EU was going to be. During this period, I would expect foreign investment flows into the UK would be limited by political uncertainty. But not doing something because there would be a period of uncertainty is a silly reason.0 -
Mr. kle4, you're too charitable. It's blatant bullshit. It's also hypocritical and bigoted.
"Black people can't be racist!"
"Women can't be sexist!"
The above lines are unwitting parody, not the product of any process that resembles thinking.0 -
Haven't gotten around to see Interstellar yet - I was rather put out by the pompous crowd of 'you just don't get it' defenders to some of its critics. Wouldn't be a problem for The Martian, I assure you - the sort of simple tale done perfectly, and hitting home emotionally very well as a result.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.0 -
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It is worth remembering that the Current Account balances across the world have to add up to zero. (I.e. one country's imports are another country's exports.)FrankBooth said:
I've no idea what will happen but I'm amazed by the lack of media discussion of the huge current account deficit. Always been a sign of trouble in the past 40 years.SouthamObserver said:
I hope that's right, but I am not sure that it is. I sense trouble.antifrank said:
Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."
If you look at 2012, the big current account surplus countries were:Germany 240,862
Now you'll notice that most (not Germany or China) of the big current account surplus countries are resource exporters. As the price of oil, gas, coal, steel, copper, etc falls, those countries will go from being current account surpluses to deficits.
China 215,392
Saudi Arabia 164,764
Netherlands 89,546
Kuwait 78,708
Russian 71,282
Switzerland 66,135
Norway 63,557
Qatar 62,000
Japan 60,117
Korea, Rep. 50,835
Iraq 29,541
Nigeria 20,353
Venezuela, RB 11,016
Italy -9,231
Mexico -15,877
Spain -16,295
France -41,720
Turkey -48,535
Brazil -54,246
Canada -59,942
Australia -68,008
India -91,471
United Kingdom -97,822
United States -449,669
And because everything has to balance, that means that ours, and India's and the US's current account deficits will decline.0 -
''Quite agree - however distasteful what she says may have been - not being allowed to say it is far more dangerous for society as a whole.''
I don't think that's true. Any person tweeting 'kill all black men' is going to be prosecuted immediately, regardless of standing or context.
What is dangerous is the prevailing feeling in this country that the law is being applied along racial lines. That if you are a muslim taxi driver, you can live to a different set of laws to a white British taxi driver.
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There do seem to be some in the law enforcement business who believe that freedom of speech should only have a broad remit in reference to Andrew Mitchell.Lennon said:
Quite agree - however distasteful what she says may have been - not being allowed to say it is far more dangerous for society as a whole.antifrank said:
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.
Banging my head on the desk in response to her supposed 'defence' though. For Free Speech reasons I want her to win the case - but absolutely not with that defence!0 -
I mean, it wasn't a direct threat of violence. IIRC it was a hashtag. It wasn't even directed at someone as I recall.JEO said:
I don't think someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all [insert race here] men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. When you see crowds of people at the Conservative conference spitting at people they think deserve it because they're supposedly part of the white conservative patriarchy, or hanging mannequins of financiers as lynching victims from motorway bridges, it's clear there is a tendency towards violence.antifrank said:
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech and I also believe that means allowing people to say things I find repellent. The question is whether that should include direct threats of violence.
Assuming the charge relates to those tweets of course.0 -
Mr. Taffys, agree entirely that consistency is important. I'd argue we should broaden free speech as much as possible, and would really like a First Amendment equivalent.0
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So Australia and Canada are in the brown stuff then ?rcs1000 said:
It is worth remembering that the Current Account balances across the world have to add up to zero. (I.e. one country's imports are another country's exports.)FrankBooth said:
I've no idea what will happen but I'm amazed by the lack of media discussion of the huge current account deficit. Always been a sign of trouble in the past 40 years.SouthamObserver said:
I hope that's right, but I am not sure that it is. I sense trouble.antifrank said:
Not that it is worth that much, but the IMF's latest assessment of British economic prospects just flashed onto my twitter feed:SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bacaf44e-6c02-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html#axzz3nnePbaTl
"Britain’s economy is still solid in the face of global weakness, the International Monetary Fund said on Tuesday in an assessment that will please George Osborne ."
If you look at 2012, the big current account surplus countries were:Germany 240,862
Now you'll notice that most (not Germany or China) of the big current account surplus countries are resource exporters. As the price of oil, gas, coal, steel, copper, etc falls, those countries will go from being current account surpluses to deficits.
China 215,392
Saudi Arabia 164,764
Netherlands 89,546
Kuwait 78,708
Russian 71,282
Switzerland 66,135
Norway 63,557
Qatar 62,000
Japan 60,117
Korea, Rep. 50,835
Iraq 29,541
Nigeria 20,353
Venezuela, RB 11,016
Italy -9,231
Mexico -15,877
Spain -16,295
France -41,720
Turkey -48,535
Brazil -54,246
Canada -59,942
Australia -68,008
India -91,471
United Kingdom -97,822
United States -449,669
And because everything has to balance, that means that ours, and India's and the US's current account deficits will decline.
Big deficit and resource exporters ?0 -
It's a linguistic trick, but what it amounts to is, my racism is less bad than your racism; and whilst context is key (antifrank where were you last time?!), that could hardly prevent the tweet from being repellant.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, you're too charitable. It's blatant bullshit. It's also hypocritical and bigoted.
"Black people can't be racist!"
"Women can't be sexist!"
The above lines are unwitting parody, not the product of any process that resembles thinking.0 -
Yes.Alanbrooke said:
So Australia and Canada are in the brown stuff then ?
Big deficit and resource exporters ?
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The reason they have big current account deficits are two-fold. Firstly, they are still in the middle of commodity investment booms. Gross Capital Formation is elevated in both countries, and in both countries they are running up foreign currency debt to acquire assets that will further depress the prices of raw materials. (The big LNG projects in Australia are an example of this.) In addition, both countries have had consumer booms.0 -
Mr. Taffys, agree entirely that consistency is important. I'd argue we should broaden free speech as much as possible, and would really like a First Amendment equivalent.
I agree, although we would have to live with some pretty unpleasant stuff from the likes of Britain First and Anjem Choudhray.
A first amendment would also torpedo the ridiculous notion that people have some sort of human right 'not to be offended'.0 -
LOL , worse than the other turkey , the public service continues as it did and the SNP save us £40M on top, win win yet again.malcolmg said:
So much for the great Scottish business revival that was going to be unleashed by an independent Scotland..... Of course, lost Scottish jobs and bankrupt Scottish businesses are all fair game so long as the Scottish Govt. is getting value for money".... says Dair.MarqueeMark said:
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.MonikerDiCanio said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
Every other day The Malcoholic whines about UK firms being sold to foreigners, and now he's celebrating the loss of business from Scotland to England.
Must be something in the water.0 -
Mr. Rabbit, sounds like we need some Diversity Officer Repellent Batspray
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Not a matter for the criminal justice system #consistencyhobgoblinPlato_Says said:Golly
Student diversity officer who tweeted 'kill all white men' is charged http://t.co/VLEgqM443j http://t.co/saniKdqCrh0 -
LOL , worse than the other turkey , the public service continues as it did and the SNP save us £40M on top, win win yet again.malcolmg said:
So much for the great Scottish business revival that was going to be unleashed by an independent Scotland..... Of course, lost Scottish jobs and bankrupt Scottish businesses are all fair game so long as the Scottish Govt. is getting value for money".... says Dair.MarqueeMark said:
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.MonikerDiCanio said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
Yep, Scottish Water will be dancing around The Bridge HQ tonight, happy that they dodged a bullet in getting that £350 million contract....
I hear Robert Mugabe was very annoyed that Scotland voted No, because until the Scots do get independence, Zimbabwe will continue to be held up as the supreme example of an economically fecked-up country.0 -
Equity markets have mostly gone nowhere over 5 years and I don't see that changing much any time soon. I agree that there will be volatility but investment conservatism should see anyone safe without getting rich - viva dividends. I don't think the Grauniad is a good source for any financial matters (or much else). Don't you get a copy signed by Comrade Owen Jones with your benefit cheque?SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy0 -
Thing is, we have never had "free speech" in this country. When was it that sedition dropped off the statute book? Our ridiculous libel laws?taffys said:Mr. Taffys, agree entirely that consistency is important. I'd argue we should broaden free speech as much as possible, and would really like a First Amendment equivalent.
I agree, although we would have to live with some pretty unpleasant stuff from the likes of Britain First and Anjem Choudhray.
A first amendment would also torpedo the ridiculous notion that people have some sort of human right 'not to be offended'.
Personally, I would be in favour of a first amendment equivalent but I think I am in a minority. It would mean that a UK equivalent of NAMBLA would be allowed. The yanks had a revolution to get there.0 -
Does "diversity" by its very nature require the embracing of the unacceptable and the plain bat-shit crazy?0
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Mr. 2013, NAMBLA?
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Tricky. Electricity could hurt animals so I wouldn't be in favour of it. A huge fortified zone, possibly with landmines (with pressure settings such that deer, badgers, dogs etc wouldn't set them off), would probably be a good idea. I am thinking something on the lines of the Korean DMZ but more so. A few declared crossing points, fully staffed with customs officials 24/7, and some watch towers on the old NI model should do the trick. We would also probably need to do some thinking about requirements to be met before an entry visa could be granted, possibly a £100,000 cash bond might be a good idea (I suppose to stop the whinging we could make it 90% refundable on exit).ReggieCide said:
Would we install electrified razor wire along the border?0 -
North American Man Boy Lovers AssociationMorris_Dancer said:Mr. 2013, NAMBLA?
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If you'd have said "walking on the plank" I would have thought you were being obtusely and aggressively rude about JC and his new kinda politics.LadyBucket said:Sory - mean't to say "walking the plank."
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Someone the other day posted up an estimate of how much the US has had to spend rescuing Matt Damon - Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and now The Martian. Is he really worth it ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
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Also a recurring joke on The Daily Show, used a substitiute for any organisational acronymMorris_Dancer said:Mr. 2013, NAMBLA?
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I really detest Anna Soubry:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11913339/Cabinet-minister-tells-Eurosceptics-Get-a-life.html
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rcs - I take the point that if this is commodity lead then the dynamic is a little different. However we have been relying on massive borrowing from abroad and an abysmal savings rate to maintain demand. People will have very little to fall back on if things turn sour. Gordon Brown gets a lot of grief for his 'no more boom and bust' comments. But at the heart of it he had a point about the British economy. It has tended to be volatile with sharp periods of growth and then major contractions. Nothing I've seen in recent years suggests that we have changed or that next time it'll be different.0
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Larry Elliott is always worth reading.ReggieCide said:
Equity markets have mostly gone nowhere over 5 years and I don't see that changing much any time soon. I agree that there will be volatility but investment conservatism should see anyone safe without getting rich - viva dividends. I don't think the Grauniad is a good source for any financial matters (or much else). Don't you get a copy signed by Comrade Owen Jones with your benefit cheque?SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
I don't know what equity markets you have been looking at over the last five years, but the ones I have invested in have done very well. Now, though, I think it is time to take a break and to get a lot more watchful.
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Osborne on Corbyn
He came to speak to a fringe meeting here yesterday — metaphorically he’s going to be at a fringe meeting for the next five years as far as I can see
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/george-osborne-corbyn-is-not-the-cause-of-labours-problems/0 -
LOL , worse than the other turkey , the public service continues as it did and the SNP save us £40M on top, win win yet again.malcolmg said:
So much for the great Scottish business revival that was going to be unleashed by an independent Scotland..... Of course, lost Scottish jobs and bankrupt Scottish businesses are all fair game so long as the Scottish Govt. is getting value for money".... says Dair.MarqueeMark said:
It's come to a pretty pass when the SNP awards a massive utility contract to a privately-held English company at the expense of a Scottish public body.MonikerDiCanio said:
Not just any private company - but ANGLIAN water - ENGLAND is derived from ANGLE - so it's the ENGLISH TOP HAT PINSTRIPE WESTMONSTER water company that will be stealing the profits, beating the workers etc.TGOHF said:
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/350m-scottish-water-deal-could-go-to-english-supplier-accused-of-tax-avoidance.584Scott_P said:I guess these are the brillient headlines we will see in the Nat onal tomorrow after this amazing deal
FEARS were mounting last night that ministers were preparing to hand a £350 million contract to supply water to Scotland’s schools, hospitals, prisons and Government offices to an English private water company.
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Have you not watched Good Will Hunting? He's a tortured genius who will discover the answer to life the universe and everything. (And so clearly worth it)Richard_Tyndall said:
Someone the other day posted up an estimate of how much the US has had to spend rescuing Matt Damon - Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and now The Martian. Is he really worth it ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
:-)
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LOL, well at least he seemed to have survived his fall into the river in New York at the end of Bourne UltimatumRichard_Tyndall said:
Someone the other day posted up an estimate of how much the US has had to spend rescuing Matt Damon - Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and now The Martian. Is he really worth it ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
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Yes, but he later goes rogue and ruins the CIA's most expensive program.Lennon said:
Have you not watched Good Will Hunting? He's a tortured genius who will discover the answer to life the universe and everything. (And so clearly worth it)Richard_Tyndall said:
Someone the other day posted up an estimate of how much the US has had to spend rescuing Matt Damon - Saving Private Ryan, Interstellar and now The Martian. Is he really worth it ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
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I thought it was brilliant, but our resident director felt it was one of Scott's three worst films.kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
Everyone's different.
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I think Ben Riley-Smith needs to read his copy. And possibly understand that the reference was to UKIP, not Labour!JEO said:
“I don’t just mean a few people in our own party but obviously all those other people who’s name we’re not going to mention” – an apparent referendum [sic!!] to Labour.0 -
She's a "student diversity officer". JC will have to black up if he wants to recruit her. I suppose he could always get DA to help.Casino_Royale said:
That's the thing: it isn't a joke, she actually means it.rcs1000 said:
You know, I kind of get that the "#killallwhitemen' hashtag is humour, and I wouldn't charge someone for using it.Casino_Royale said:
Good.Plato_Says said:Golly
Student diversity officer who tweeted 'kill all white men' is charged http://t.co/VLEgqM443j http://t.co/saniKdqCrh
"Ms Mustafa explained that she could not be guilty of sexism or racism against white men "because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender and therefore women of colour and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist, since we do not stand to benefit from such a system."
And ain't that the truth?
But that paragraph about 'structures of privilege' is just appalling, scary drivel.0 -
I liked Interstellar, but much preferred Nolan's Inception.kle4 said:
Haven't gotten around to see Interstellar yet - I was rather put out by the pompous crowd of 'you just don't get it' defenders to some of its critics. Wouldn't be a problem for The Martian, I assure you - the sort of simple tale done perfectly, and hitting home emotionally very well as a result.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Sequel to Interstellar - Matt Damon marooned by himself on a far-flung planet!kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
EDIT - yet to see Martian!0 -
Does the 350 mil for the water company actually leave Scotland....if so, how can that be a win win for Scotland..0
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Wings over Scotland is the 'Weekly Wanker' in this blog...
http://athousandflowers.net/2013/09/01/weekly-wanker-017-wings-over-scotland/0 -
I enjoyed it too - down to the final credits song joke.....JosiasJessop said:
I thought it was brilliant, but our resident director felt it was one of Scott's three worst films.kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
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I didn't think that either Interstellar or Inception were all that great. Fine, but not great.0
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Well, I like both her any my MP, Nicky Morgan. I'm not sure that this conversation will go far.JEO said:0 -
JJ.. Our resident Director directs 30 second Commercials..a massive difference to shooting and directing a full blown movie...0
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"Former Sheffield United footballer Ched Evans is to have an appeal against his rape conviction heard after a miscarriages of justice watchdog received information that raises a “real possibility” that the judgment against him could be quashed."
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/oct/05/ched-evans-conviction-referred-to-court-of-appeal0 -
If you went deep into the BRICs in the last 12 months you'll be a basket case. Otherwise it's been a great run.SouthamObserver said:
Larry Elliott is always worth reading.ReggieCide said:
Equity markets have mostly gone nowhere over 5 years and I don't see that changing much any time soon. I agree that there will be volatility but investment conservatism should see anyone safe without getting rich - viva dividends. I don't think the Grauniad is a good source for any financial matters (or much else). Don't you get a copy signed by Comrade Owen Jones with your benefit cheque?SouthamObserver said:
We do look to be heading for some very choppy waters. I have big worries about equity markets in most places. I fear there is going to be real turmoil over an extended period. And I don't think that the UK is that well insulated form events elsewhere, at all. In fact, we could be very badly exposed.antifrank said:You can tell that times are grim for the left when commentisfree is reduced to peddling dreams of impending financial crashes to cheer up its readership:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/october-2017-crash-george-osborne-uk-global-economy
I don't know what equity markets you have been looking at over the last five years, but the ones I have invested in have done very well. Now, though, I think it is time to take a break and to get a lot more watchful.0 -
You raise an interesting point: throughout the world, current accounts deficits and surpluses don't correlate well with export levels (R^2 is like 0.2), but do with savings rates (r^2 of 0.75). Clearly if you want to sustainably improve the UK current account, you need to raise the savings rate.FrankBooth said:rcs - I take the point that if this is commodity lead then the dynamic is a little different. However we have been relying on massive borrowing from abroad and an abysmal savings rate to maintain demand. People will have very little to fall back on if things turn sour. Gordon Brown gets a lot of grief for his 'no more boom and bust' comments. But at the heart of it he had a point about the British economy. It has tended to be volatile with sharp periods of growth and then major contractions. Nothing I've seen in recent years suggests that we have changed or that next time it'll be different.
But I'm relatively sanguine. Gross Capital Formation is well below replacement levels. Our current account deficit is going to fall. Households in the UK have substantially delevered, and while we've been less austere than those in the continent, our government debt to GDP should start falling by the end of next year. There is no evidence that the UK economy is hitting capacity buffers.
Furthermore, we are substantlally insulated against slowdowns in emerging markets. Take China, exports as a percent of GDP are well below the levels of our peers:Japan 3.7%
In the short-term, therefore, a slowdown in China affects Japan or Germany far, far more than it affects us.
Germany 2.5%
Netherlands 1.3%
Sweden 1.2%
France 0.8%
USA 0.8%
Italy 0.7%
UK 0.6%
Spain 0.4%
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There were several song jokes in there - including the one where he fetches the thing to keep him warm.CarlottaVance said:
I enjoyed it too - down to the final credits song joke.....JosiasJessop said:
I thought it was brilliant, but our resident director felt it was one of Scott's three worst films.kle4 said:Had a day off and so on a whim went to see The Martian, which I hadn't been planning to see but heard was good.
F---ing excellent movie, best I've seen in years. Tense but funny, beautiful, heartwarming and emotional as hell.
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Isn't comment deserving of freedom of speech too? I don't suppose our diversity officer would see it like that.antifrank said:
I think it all depends on context. Words can mean different things in different contexts - "let him have it", for example.JEO said:
Well, no, because in that situation the person would clearly be acting.antifrank said:
On that basis the Elizabethans would have locked up Shakespeare for having an actor say "let's kill all the lawyers".JEO said:
I think it's reasonable to limit freedom of speech when it's a direct incitement to violent action. "White men are evil and deserve to die" should be legally acceptable. "Kill all white men" should not.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Bahar Mustafa is a tedious oaf of a person, and yet I'm not happy to see someone arrested over such a thing. Being axed from her job [because of its particular nature] would seem more fitting. It's important that freedom of speech is as broad as possible*, even when the messages sent are ones one personally dislikes.
*Freedom of speech but axed from her job might seem inconsistent, but a diversity officer tweeting about killing all white men is inappropriate.
I think Mr Dancer has got the appropriate course of action spot on.
Do you think it should be lawful for a white student to tweet "kill all black people"? What about if that student was a member of the KKK? What about if he didn't tweet it but shouted in on a public street? To a crowd of angry racists?
Someone sending a tweet that reads "kill all white men" is inherently unlikely to be expecting to be taken literally. It is neither a practical course of action, nor is twitter a plausible means of putting such a course of action into practice. A member of the KKK shouting in a public street "kill all black people" may well have a very different aspiration as to what meaning will be placed on his words.
I place a very high value on freedom of speech. That means allowing people to say things that I find repellent. So be it.0
