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About time too.0
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Will it ever lose its favourite status?0
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Hung parliament maintains its JOINT favourite status in the general election overall outcome betting
Best prices - Next UK GE overall majority
LAB majority 13/8 (Betfair)
Hung parliament 13/8 (Ladbrokes)
CON majority 4/1 (Paddy Power)0 -
Betfair is where punters determine prices not bookies and is a truer guide to betting sentimentStuart_Dickson said:
Hung parliament maintains its JOINT favourite status in the general election overall outcome betting
Best prices - Next UK GE overall majority
LAB majority 13/8 (Betfair)
Hung parliament 13/8 (Ladbrokes)
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Betfair is often like a scene out of a Roadrunner episode, with tumbleweed spinning past in the background.MikeSmithson said:Betfair is where punters determine prices not bookies and is a truer guide to betting sentiment
Stuart_Dickson said:Hung parliament maintains its JOINT favourite status in the general election overall outcome betting
Best prices - Next UK GE overall majority
LAB majority 13/8 (Betfair)
Hung parliament 13/8 (Ladbrokes)
CON majority 4/1 (Paddy Power)
Meanwhile, the real cash is being placed with normal bookies.
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Stuart D (previous thread) Well surely a poll of polls is more accurate than a single poll0
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Maybe if the Labour lead got to 12% in most polls Labour majority might become favourite, just. Or if Labour's lead is still 7% or so on Dec 31st 2014. Fair point though, it's going to be favourite for a while in all likelihood.RodCrosby said:Will it ever lose its favourite status?
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Where to start?HYUFD said:Stuart D (previous thread) Well surely a poll of polls is more accurate than a single poll
According to the purists (and PB tends to be at the purist end of the spectrum), polls of polls are crap.
Personally, I am not a purist. In fact, I even take an occasional peek at (shock, horror) cross-breaks. But best not to mention that in polite company.
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Mike, there is a reason that Shadsy is offering such a (superficially) good price on NOM: he loves mug punters. They pay his wages.0
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It is not even a poll of polls , it is a poll of Scottish sub samples of pollsHYUFD said:Stuart D (previous thread) Well surely a poll of polls is more accurate than a single poll
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SD - Well, if you are basing poll ratings on an average of polls then clearly you have more evidence than a single poll so it would be more accurate?0
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Please don't swear in polite company Mark.MarkSenior said:
It is not even a poll of polls , it is a poll of Scottish sub samples of pollsHYUFD said:Stuart D (previous thread) Well surely a poll of polls is more accurate than a single poll
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I'd expect no majority to hit 50% some time in the next few months or so. It'll be difficult to shift.0
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Ladbrokes over/under seat markets have midpoints of
Lab 312.5 seats
Con 270.5 seats
LD 37.5 seats
SNP 6.5 seats0 -
Mark Senior Plaid did put up 34 candidates in both elections in Ceredigion. In 2012 the LDs put up 28 candidates, in 2008 260
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Yikes! You are deep, deep into heresy territory now. I strongly advise you to repent before they start marching you to the stake and igniting the kindling below.HYUFD said:SD - Well, if you are basing poll ratings on an average of polls then clearly you have more evidence than a single poll so it would be more accurate?
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A few of the wards are multi member , the no of candidates is not important , it is the number of wards fought that will effect the voting shares .HYUFD said:Mark Senior Plaid did put up 34 candidates in both elections in Ceredigion. In 2012 the LDs put up 28 candidates, in 2008 26
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Or the Tories taking a big lead, of course. But given boundaries they'd need a big swing in the polls, so we'll have to wait a year or so for that to happen at least, if it ever does in this parliament.Quincel said:
Maybe if the Labour lead got to 12% in most polls Labour majority might become favourite, just. Or if Labour's lead is still 7% or so on Dec 31st 2014. Fair point though, it's going to be favourite for a while in all likelihood.RodCrosby said:Will it ever lose its favourite status?
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SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!0
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LD 37.5MarkSenior said:Ladbrokes over/under seat markets have midpoints of
Lab 312.5 seats
Con 270.5 seats
LD 37.5 seats
SNP 6.5 seats
Almost exactly what I derived on the previous thread. I think they'll go above 40.
Rather poor forecast for the SNP.
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The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
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How far apart were the samples ? They can be totalled by weight of sample size to reduce the MoE. All things being equal, I would imagine from that the LD figure in Scotland is ~ 8 - 10%.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
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Lab EVSMarkSenior said:Ladbrokes over/under seat markets have midpoints of
Lab 312.5 seats
Con 270.5 seats
LD 37.5 seats
SNP 6.5 seats
Con EVS
LD EVS
SNP over: FAV
That was a rather important detail that you missed there Mark.
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Mark Senior - Depends if they calculate based on total overall result, or highest vote in a multi-member ward. In any case in 2012 the LDs put up a candidate in Cardigan Mwaldan as well as Cardigan Teifi and Llangeitho and Llansantffraid which they did not do in 2008. Although they did not put up a candidate in Aberystwyth Bronglais, Llandyfriog and Trefeurig unlike 2008, overall they contested one more ward net and put up 2 candidates in Aberystwyth Penpercau in 2012 compared to one in 20080
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In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?0 -
Yes BUT the individual sub samples in polls are NOT weightedsurbiton said:
How far apart were the samples ? They can be totalled by weight of sample size to reduce the MoE. All things being equal, I would imagine from that the LD figure in Scotland is ~ 8 - 10%.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
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There has been the odd Yougov Scottish sub sample with the LD over 20% this yearStuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?
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Surbiton imagines that the LD figure in Scotland is ~ 8 - 10%. I would not dissent from that (very commonly held) view. What would you assess the level of SLD support to be Mark? And upon what basis?MarkSenior said:
Yes BUT the individual sub samples in polls are NOT weightedsurbiton said:
How far apart were the samples ? They can be totalled by weight of sample size to reduce the MoE. All things being equal, I would imagine from that the LD figure in Scotland is ~ 8 - 10%.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
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Odd as in weird, or odd as in criminally insane?MarkSenior said:
There has been the odd Yougov Scottish sub sample with the LD over 20% this yearStuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?
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Yes, if they are taken in the same way on the same day, but because they almost certainly aren't, it's like taking a sample of apples and a sample of oranges and hoping the result tells you more about apples or oranges. The MOE is almost certainly larger.HYUFD said:SD - Well, if you are basing poll ratings on an average of polls then clearly you have more evidence than a single poll so it would be more accurate?
Generally speaking, people tend to overrate large samples (a sample of 500 apples will tell you quite a lot about apples, a sample of 1000 not that much more) - it's more important to have consistent samples.
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Odd as in they would make you choke on your morning porridge !!!Stuart_Dickson said:
Odd as in weird, or odd as in criminally insane?MarkSenior said:
There has been the odd Yougov Scottish sub sample with the LD over 20% this yearStuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?
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MarkSenior said:
Odd as in they would make you choke on your morning porridge !!!Stuart_Dickson said:
Odd as in weird, or odd as in criminally insane?MarkSenior said:
There has been the odd Yougov Scottish sub sample with the LD over 20% this yearStuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?
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NP - Well, will have to trust your higher mathematical knowledge, but nonetheless if you look at a group of polls you are less likely to be at risk of a rogue poll and the average figure given for a party will probably be about where it is at0
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On the Aberdeen Donside by-election swing, the LDs would have regained Edinburgh Western at Holyrood.Stuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?0 -
The Edinburgh West MP is a newbie. The LD vote crashed 13.6% in 2010, in one of the LDs worst results. Probably mostly due to retirement of the previous incumbent. Labour also did extraordinarily well (the Brown effect).
So, after building up his own vote, and the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015, Crockart may be safer than he looks...0 -
I've added the next PM betting to the header0
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In the past Lib Dems have chalked up the biggest first time incumbency bonus of any groupRodCrosby said:
The Edinburgh West MP is a newbie. The LD vote crashed 13.6% in 2010, in one of the LDs worst results. Probably mostly due to retirement of the previous incumbent. Labour also did extraordinarily well (the Brown effect).
So, after building up his own vote, and the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015, Crockart may be safer than he looks...0 -
Indeed. People grossly overstate the importance of sample sizes as we saw with YouGov 6k sample final poll at GE2010. The firm ended in bottom half of the polling league table.NickPalmer said:
Yes, if they are taken in the same way on the same day, but because they almost certainly aren't, it's like taking a sample of apples and a sample of oranges and hoping the result tells you more about apples or oranges. The MOE is almost certainly larger.HYUFD said:SD - Well, if you are basing poll ratings on an average of polls then clearly you have more evidence than a single poll so it would be more accurate?
Generally speaking, people tend to overrate large samples (a sample of 500 apples will tell you quite a lot about apples, a sample of 1000 not that much more) - it's more important to have consistent samples.0 -
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Sarwar Sr is emigrating to Pakhistan. Rumours he is in line to become governor of Punjab.0 -
Bigger first time incumbency bonus than SNP MPs?MikeSmithson said:In the past Lib Dems have chalked up the biggest first time incumbency bonus of any group
RodCrosby said:The Edinburgh West MP is a newbie. The LD vote crashed 13.6% in 2010, in one of the LDs worst results. Probably mostly due to retirement of the previous incumbent. Labour also did extraordinarily well (the Brown effect).
So, after building up his own vote, and the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015, Crockart may be safer than he looks...
Bigger first time incumbency bonus than Plaid MPs?
Bigger first time incumbency bonus than DUP MPs?
Link please.
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Do you have any other comforting Clifton Terrace fairy tales?No_Offence_Alan said:
On the Aberdeen Donside by-election swing, the LDs would have regained Edinburgh Western at Holyrood.Stuart_Dickson said:
In other words, not a single SLD sub sample came even close to the 18.88% they got at UK GE 2010.MarkSenior said:
The 6 Scottish subsamples concerned had a total sample size of 582 . The Lib Dem % in the sub samples varied from 3% to 16%HYUFD said:SD - Well I will have to be a martyr to the cause then!
How do you rate the SLD chances in Edinburgh West Mark?0 -
Scottish sub samples. It's like a time warp.0
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Yep:RodCrosby said:the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015
Miliband a weak leader - Scotland: 49
That's the joint highest with South of England 'weak' rating (and second lowest 'strong leader' @11 just behind the South of England at 10):
Net 'strong' rating:
OA: -34
London: -33
South: -39
Mid/Wales: -28
North: -30
Scotland: -38
Its come to something when the Scots and the Southern English have a similarly poor view of the Labour leader....
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- "... after building up his own vote..."RodCrosby said:The Edinburgh West MP is a newbie. The LD vote crashed 13.6% in 2010, in one of the LDs worst results. Probably mostly due to retirement of the previous incumbent. Labour also did extraordinarily well (the Brown effect).
So, after building up his own vote, and the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015, Crockart may be safer than he looks...
Huh?
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Indeed.CarlottaVance said:
Yep:RodCrosby said:the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015
Miliband a weak leader - Scotland: 49
That's the joint highest with South of England 'weak' rating (and second lowest 'strong leader' @11 just behind the South of England at 10):
Net 'strong' rating:
OA: -34
London: -33
South: -39
Mid/Wales: -28
North: -30
Scotland: -38
Its come to something when the Scots and the Southern English have a similarly poor view of the Labour leader....
And if you though Miliband was weak, he looks like a titan compared to the "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party".
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I'll have a look at the price of laying Milliband as next PM. It's intriguing that the 'fundamentals' point strongly to him leading the largest party post 15 but less strongly to him leading the government.0
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According to today's papers in Scotland he is to relinquish British citizenship.AndreaParma_82 said:
Sarwar Sr is emigrating to Pakhistan. Rumours he is in line to become governor of Punjab.0 -
It often happens in LD seats, especially in Scotland. Retirements send the vote crashing, usually by not enough to see the seat lost. Next time round the new incumbent's vote soars, even against the national trend...Stuart_Dickson said:
- "... after building up his own vote..."RodCrosby said:The Edinburgh West MP is a newbie. The LD vote crashed 13.6% in 2010, in one of the LDs worst results. Probably mostly due to retirement of the previous incumbent. Labour also did extraordinarily well (the Brown effect).
So, after building up his own vote, and the Scots due to blow Miliband a raspberry in 2015, Crockart may be safer than he looks...
Huh?
Crockart may be lucky, in that 2010 was probably Labour's best chance of seizing Edinburgh West. And it's hard to see anyone else being in the running.0 -
Dickson says " And if you though Miliband was weak, he looks like a titan compared to the "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party". "
Nonsense. Any honest viewer of FMQs knows that Lamont beats Salmond week in week out.0 -
@Easterross
Apparently he has already given up British citizenship. He arrived in Pakhistan today saying "I would sincerely execute any responsibility assigned to me.”
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What with Mark citing wing-commander Rik's 2005 posts earlier it's been a very nostalgic afternoon.Chameleon_Curcuit said:Scottish sub samples. It's like a time warp.
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Tim - Has inevitably turned violent, clashes with police and UAF. A friend posted on facebook she also overheard an EDL member boasting on a train about beating someone up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-233902320 -
We need Colin W to make an appearance.Neil said:
What with Mark citing wing-commander Rik's 2005 posts earlier it's been a very nostalgic afternoon.Chameleon_Curcuit said:Scottish sub samples. It's like a time warp.
I'll accept an appearance from ColinW's mum though
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On topic, Ed short of a majority but doing well enough to be PM in 2015 sounds about right.0
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Nah - they're reaching for their iPhones...tim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
They're not Nazis though, honest guv
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I think the people have made their mind up.
They don't want Miliband.
But it's not just him. The whole Labour front bench are dreadful...0 -
Maybe they're pledging allegiance to a flag?CarlottaVance said:
Nah - they're reaching for their iPhones...tim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
They're not Nazis though, honest guv
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Nah - but she is up against a far more adroit operator than Miliband, and does about as well...MonikerDiCanio said:Dickson says " And if you though Miliband was weak, he looks like a titan compared to the "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party". "
Nonsense. Any honest viewer of FMQs knows that Lamont beats Salmond week in week out.
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Off topic - Nice of Sheffield's Joe Root to pretty much win the Ashes single handedly today.
These Aussies are so substandard, England could select Jade Dernbach and Samit Patel for the next three matches and England would still win.0 -
Rod - Except for Chuka, who is now the true 'heir to Blair' apparently!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b2e9e3a6-ef46-11e2-bb27-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2ZYhZXKkZ0 -
The 'Plan A Party' sign behind them is good.tim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
They're not Nazis though, honest guv
'Unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery? Call now.'0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
On topic, Ed short of a majority but doing well enough to be PM in 2015 sounds about right.
Certainly the 'fundamentals' of the collapsed boundary changes and inflation higher than wage rises haven't changed even if the media narrative and some economic indicators have.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, Ed short of a majority but doing well enough to be PM in 2015 sounds about right.
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Yes, more of the same, please! A rabble of chancers and narcissists scrabbling for the top job ten minutes after becoming an MP.HYUFD said:Rod - Except for Chuka, who is now the true 'heir to Blair' apparently!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b2e9e3a6-ef46-11e2-bb27-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2ZYhZXKkZ
Labour - not fit to manage a bus stop...
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He isn't white. Blood him in a seat then peerage, London Mayoral candidate, maybe the GLA list.tim said:
It's a shame the Lib Dems couldn't have found this guy whatever the equivalent is of a Lib Dem safe seat in 2015
@rob_marchant: Not often I would say so about an opposition candidate, but well done and best of luck to the excellent @MaajidNawaz.
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Agree that looking at a single poll is always dangerous, especially if it's very different from others purporting to measure the same thing! But merging them is also dodgy. Since we don't know which methodology best reflects current realities, it probably makes sense to exclude the two outliers at any moment (which would currently be Labour leads of 11 and 0) and declare that the result is somewhere among the rest...HYUFD said:NP - Well, will have to trust your higher mathematical knowledge, but nonetheless if you look at a group of polls you are less likely to be at risk of a rogue poll and the average figure given for a party will probably be about where it is at
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About 100 yards up from where that picture was taken, there's a club called The Reflex.Theuniondivvie said:
The 'Plan A Party' sign behind them is good.tim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
They're not Nazis though, honest guv
'Unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery? Call now.'
I've spent many a time in there as they play nothing but 80s music.
It's the sort of club you could imagine me DJing
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RodCrosby - Didn't stop JFK, Obama, Cameron etc. Chuka is worth a bet to be PM ten years from today!0
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Some poor sod in a Pakistani gaol who's called Responsibility is now bricking it.AndreaParma_82 said:@Easterross
Apparently he has already given up British citizenship. He arrived in Pakhistan today saying "I would sincerely execute any responsibility assigned to me.”
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I don't know if my imagination is that rich.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's the sort of club you could imagine me DJing
Probably a good thing..
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His great strong point is that he doesn't have a son called Dan Hodges - unlike the current incumbenttim said:
It's a shame the Lib Dems couldn't have found this guy whatever the equivalent is of a Lib Dem safe seat in 2015
@rob_marchant: Not often I would say so about an opposition candidate, but well done and best of luck to the excellent @MaajidNawaz.
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This is awesome on so many levels.
A major US science fiction series is to be filmed in Scotland, bringing about 200 new jobs and the construction of a new television studio near Glasgow.
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On topic - I'm happy to buy Lab majority at 2.8. Thanks whoever laid my bet on betfair.
O/T Froome winning Le Tour, Joe Root a sensational knock and Westwood winning the golf.
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KP out of the rest of the test.
If he's out of the next test, then Alex Lees has to be his replacement.0 -
Probably not a million miles off the truth.Theuniondivvie said:
Some poor sod in a Pakistani gaol who's called Responsibility is now bricking it.AndreaParma_82 said:@Easterross
Apparently he has already given up British citizenship. He arrived in Pakhistan today saying "I would sincerely execute any responsibility assigned to me.”
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Glasgow has featured in a couple of recent major movies - as Philadelphia in World War Z - and London in Fast & Furious 6.TheScreamingEagles said:This is awesome on so many levels.
A major US science fiction series is to be filmed in Scotland, bringing about 200 new jobs and the construction of a new television studio near Glasgow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-23374425
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The EDL* dancing in Birmingham today
https://twitter.com/WarisAli90/status/358584756998389762
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Yeah, there were also scenes shot for Cloud Atlas last year, and there's a Bollywood movie starting next week.CarlottaVance said:
Glasgow has featured in a couple of recent major movies - as Philadelphia in World War Z - and London in Fast & Furious 6.
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About as well as Michael Foot.CarlottaVance said:
Nah - but she is up against a far more adroit operator than Miliband, and does about as well...MonikerDiCanio said:Dickson says " And if you though Miliband was weak, he looks like a titan compared to the "Leader of the Scottish Labour Party". "
Nonsense. Any honest viewer of FMQs knows that Lamont beats Salmond week in week out.
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Cloud Atlas is one of my top five films of the year so far.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, there were also scenes shot for Cloud Atlas last year, and there's a Bollywood movie starting next week.CarlottaVance said:
Glasgow has featured in a couple of recent major movies - as Philadelphia in World War Z - and London in Fast & Furious 6.
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Would be interesting to see video footage of that. If they are singing a song such as 'no surrender' they point each time they say 'no' and a still photo would mistakenly look like a nazi salutetim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
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Judging by the EDLers I saw in Manchester a few weeks ago, it is most likely to be Nazi salutes.isam said:
Would be interesting to see video footage of that. If they are singing a song such as 'no surrender' they point each time they say 'no' and a still photo would mistakenly look like a nazi salutetim said:@EDLNewsXtra: #EDL in Birmingham now. How many Sieg Heil's in this, do you reckon? http://t.co/951dPv3glP
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Have you seen this?Neil said:@isam
I couldnt make out a single nazi saute in the photo. Doesnt mean the EDL isnt a bunch of neo-nazis though.
The LGBT EDL Group
http://www.leftfootforward.org/2013/07/english-defence-league-lgbt-division/0 -
Harper Polling - 2016 GOP Primary poll Wyoming
Paul Ryan 15%
Rand Paul 12%
Chris Christie 10%
Jeb Bush 10%
Marco Rubio 10%
Ted Cruz 5%
Rick Santorum 3%
Bobby Jindal 2%
Scott Walker 1%
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Did Churchill really say "we've slaughtered the wrong pig" in 1945 (as claimed by Rod C on last night's PB NightHawks)?tim said:
Looks like Labour has lost the William Joyce vote thenRodCrosby said:
Yes, more of the same, please! A rabble of chancers and narcissists scrabbling for the top job ten minutes after becoming an MP.HYUFD said:Rod - Except for Chuka, who is now the true 'heir to Blair' apparently!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b2e9e3a6-ef46-11e2-bb27-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2ZYhZXKkZ
Labour - not fit to manage a bus stop...0 -
Oh hell
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West Mids Police: 25-year-old man questioned over explosions at 3 Mosques arrested in connection with murder of pensioner Mohammed Saleem0 -
Good evening, everyone.
Rather nicer day than has been the case recently, I thought. Still a bit muggy now, but glad the day was fresher.0 -
Although this year cannot match the Olympics of 2012, they seem alright from a sporting perspective.
There's a Lions win (over Australia), the Tour de France (part 2: Tour Harder), Murray's epic Wimbledon victory, and the Ashes is going well, so far.0 -
You mean like UK nationalist confederation Bettertogether, supported by BNP, UKIP, EDL, SDL, the Orange Order, UVF, PUP and UDA/UFF? They are certainly proof of your hypothesis.MonikerDiCanio said:
EDL , another nasty nationalist party with dubious links. They're all the same.
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Is the Scottish referendum set for September?0
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Mr. Eagles, cheers (although I did know it was due next year!).0
