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Quincel said:

Anyone else find it weird that despite: the US Presidential Primaries being a constant media focus; despite more money being spent already than we spent on our entire election; and despite the US media's love of the polling horserace even more than ours; no-one bothers to snap poll the primary debates? In fact it's been days since the CNN debate and we haven't had any national primary polling at all. How does that fit with the rest of the over the top focus on the primaries?

There was only one snap poll done for the Romeny Obama debate where Obama 'lost'. It was entirely of old, rich, white, southeren voters. Literally 0 ethnic minorities or anyone on minimum wage. It was astounding demographics.

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Privatised GNER couldn't hack it though.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

You have a very narrow view - he could and should have done both

Not really, perhaps he could, perhaps he couldn't, I'm just saying in the hands of a good PR this would be a nice little wrong footing of his opponents.

The average voter would expect the leader of the opposition to attend the opening of a World Event - are you saying he would have avoided the Olympics - just bad diary management but also a lack of respect

Freebie junkie MPs would agree.

I think true Rugby fans deserve tickets ahead of troughing politicians myself.

So under Corbyn our National Events would not be supported - but he prefers to have Hamas, the IRA and Putin as his friends - says it all really

Very insightful.

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

The thing that strikes me from those polls is that the LibDems are still doing crap.

Perhaps they wont get a recovery despite not being in office.

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start.

I've spent three days trying and nothing.

What Conference!!

ThreeQuidder said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

Doesn't explain why he didn't send someone in his place.

Was his seat empty?

bigjohnowls said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

The thing that strikes me from those polls is that the LibDems are still doing crap.

Perhaps they wont get a recovery despite not being in office.

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start.

I've spent three days trying and nothing.

What Conference!!

Started today

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

You have a very narrow view - he could and should have done both

Not really, perhaps he could, perhaps he couldn't, I'm just saying in the hands of a good PR this would be a nice little wrong footing of his opponents.

The average voter would expect the leader of the opposition to attend the opening of a World Event - are you saying he would have avoided the Olympics - just bad diary management but also a lack of respect

Basically, you are saying that the average voter would like their representatives to be freeloaders.

Rubbish

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

The thing that strikes me from those polls is that the LibDems are still doing crap.

Perhaps they wont get a recovery despite not being in office.

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start.

I've spent three days trying and nothing.

On 6% with a new leader bounce, the LDs are dead. Discuss.

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

surbiton said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sunday Times

Half of Corbyn's shadow cabinet will back Cameron over air strikes in defiance of Jeremy's Corbyn's opposition

The people will not back this one. Their CLPs will cut them out.

More and more defections then and the ultimate distruction of the labour party sadly

Not a single MP will defect. They know what happened to the SDP traitors.

UKIP Conference next week - who knows

Morning thread contains an appalling 80s pop music reference, subtly done as usual

Big_G_NorthWales said:

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

I wouldn't say it was troughing, but it's also not "representing your country" - the team is representing the country, not the guys sitting watching them. It's getting some reflected glory from a sporting event, and sports fans uninterested in politics tend in my experience to smile cynically about it.

Politicians of all parties do it, but it's not especially noble or patriotic, and I'm not sure it really does them any favours.

bigjohnowls said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Privatised GNER couldn't hack it though.

ISTR it was National Express that failed; they got the franchise after GNER's parent company got into financial trouble.

There were some rather specialised reasons for NE's failure on the route: engineering works being a big one, the financial crisis and a decrease in passengers, and the fact they over-bid.

Note that Virgin may face troubles when the IEPs are foisted on them.

In contrast, the DOR-operated EC had a much easier time of it.

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

If 'the people' want to own the railways can they not buy stock in the operating companies?

The operating companies don't own anything - neither tracks nor trains. The State gives them the right to operate for a fixed term. Once their franchises expire, operations can revert to the public sector just like that.

What would you do about the ROSCOs and Open Access operators?

Rolling Stock could be either purchased from the ROSCOs or hired until it is scrapped, with all new stock bought by the state operator. Open access operators can carry on as long as it is on a level playing field.

AIUI the ROSCOs contracts are with the operating company, not the government. They will have the government by the short 'n curlies when it comes to the renegotiation.

Open Access operators will want a level playing field from the government. They may not get it in a nationalised system.

And here's another one: what about freight?

One of the largest owners of the ROSCOs is RBS.

Yeah, they're going to have a potential Corbyn government by the short and curlies.

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

The thing that strikes me from those polls is that the LibDems are still doing crap.

Perhaps they wont get a recovery despite not being in office.

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start.

I've spent three days trying and nothing.

Try comparing Tim Farron with Jo Grimond, after all they both started their leadership with tiny almost extinct parties.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Morning thread contains an appalling 80s pop music reference, subtly done as usual

"Is there something I should know?"

If you look at my twitter feed you'll be able to spot it

Razedabode said:

bigjohnowls said:

JeremyCorbyn4PM ‏@JeremyCorbyn4PM 6m6 minutes ago
Labour would bring all academies and free schools bck under local control

Would be great for my job. But large multi academy trusts have a lot of power now, so would be no means an easy task. And what if data shows an improvement in standards for academies by that point?

There already is evidence that academies on balance improve performance:

https://fullfact.org/education/how_good_are_academies_compare_maintained_schools-42769

But the big difference does not open up till 4-8 years after opening. at the moment as most academies and free schools have not been open that long, this has not reached the public conches yet, which is still being influenced by the efforts of the entrenched special interests, mostly trade unions representing teachers and particularly bureaucrats in education departments of Local government.

With over half of secondary schools now academies or free schools and that number expanding rapidly. and parents in most cases licking want they get, I expect the Corbyn policy to go down in popularity, over the next 5 years.

JosiasJessop said:

ThreeQuidder said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Hull Trains.

Thanks.

London Euston to Birmingham New Street is served by London Midland and Virgin Trains. Cross Country have a lot of overlap with other operators.

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

You have a very narrow view - he could and should have done both

Not really, perhaps he could, perhaps he couldn't, I'm just saying in the hands of a good PR this would be a nice little wrong footing of his opponents.

The average voter would expect the leader of the opposition to attend the opening of a World Event - are you saying he would have avoided the Olympics - just bad diary management but also a lack of respect

Basically, you are saying that the average voter would like their representatives to be freeloaders.

Rubbish

You love freeloading MPs

That's also rubbish -

NickPalmer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

I wouldn't say it was troughing, but it's also not "representing your country" - the team is representing the country, not the guys sitting watching them. It's getting some reflected glory from a sporting event, and sports fans uninterested in politics tend in my experience to smile cynically about it.

Politicians of all parties do it, but it's not especially noble or patriotic, and I'm not sure it really does them any favours.

I think the point at issue is that as leader of one of the two major political parties in the UK, certain expectations, duties and responsibilities come along with it. You simply cannot continue the idiosyncrasies, petty foibles and personal tilting at windmills that you practise as an anonymous back bench MP nobody ever heard of.

notme said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

And Virgin are going to delivery twice as much!

Who would you prefer to run the East Coast Mainline?
PRIVATE SECTOR
24%
PUBLIC SECTOR
76%

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

ThreeQuidder said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Hull Trains.

Thanks.

London Euston to Birmingham New Street is served by London Midland and Virgin Trains. Cross Country have a lot of overlap with other operators.

Yes, but that's not the same as Open Access operators.

This whole rail privatization - if that's even what you can call it - is a mess.

The only way to do it properly is to re-establish the 1948 set up - go back to LMS, LNER etc. Sell the companies the track, rolling stock, stations and infrastructure - every damned thing.

How you get from here to there I haven't the first idea.

Barnesian said:

Speedy said:

Opinum has a very interesting table, breaking up support by political orientation:

http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_15_09_2015_tables_0.pdf

Very Left ( percentage of sample 3.5%): LAB 55, CON 19, GRN 10, UKIP 6, SNP 5, LD 1
Left (15%): ------------------------------------------LAB 72, CON 9, SNP 8, GRN 5, UKIP 3, LD 2
Centre Left (19.5%):------------------------------LAB 47, LD 15, CON 14, SNP 9, UKIP 8, GRN 6
Centre (31.3%): ----------------------------------CON 35, LAB 28, UKIP 18, LD 8, SNP 6, GRN 4
Centre-Right ( 19.7%):---------------------------CON 73, UKIP 15, LAB 5, LD 3, GRN 2, SNP 1
Right (8.4%):---------------------------------------CON 69, UKIP 25, LAB 4, LD 1, others 0
Very Right (2.6%):---------------------------------CON 53, UKIP 25, LAB 15, BNP 8, others 0

There are more people on the Left (38%) than on the Right (30.7%) or the Centre (31.3%), however the Tories are ahead because the Centre-Right is unified behind them while the Centre-Left is not unified behind Labour.

Very interesting table.

It means that Labour have a bigger opportunity to convert centre-left Tories to Labour (14% of centre-leftists are Tory) than Tories have of converting centre-right Labour to Tory (only 5% of centre-rightists are Labour).

Nope, those are blairites, they are a small share of the centre-left and of the centre and overall about 2-3% of the overall electorate hence their very small influence but strategically crucial sector of the Blair-Cameron coalition, and are firmly on the Tory side, think of them as gay city bankers.
Anyway there are a lot in those tables to chew on, and there are 2 other polls too, so goodnight.

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

ThreeQuidder said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Hull Trains.

Thanks.

London Euston to Birmingham New Street is served by London Midland and Virgin Trains. Cross Country have a lot of overlap with other operators.

Yes, but that's not the same as Open Access operators.

East Coast don't run trains to Sunderland (GC) or Hull (FHT).

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

ThreeQuidder said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Hull Trains.

Thanks.

London Euston to Birmingham New Street is served by London Midland and Virgin Trains. Cross Country have a lot of overlap with other operators.

Yes, but that's not the same as Open Access operators.

East Coast don't run trains to Sunderland (GC) or Hull (FHT).

No, but they weren't asked to under the franchises. That's where OA come ins: someone sees a gap in the market, and tries to get permission to fill it.

TheScreamingEagles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Bloody hell. Only just seen that Japan beat the Saffars in the RWC. That has to be about the greatest shock in the history of sport, doesn't it?

Yup.

I was so tense. They were behind 32-29 in added on time, twice they were awarded penalties, rather than go for the tie they went for the victory.

That was brilliant.

What were the odds you could get on Japan before the match? There have obviously been long-odds winners before, but it would be neat if we could say "you could longer odds on Japan winning than on Japan losing by 100 points" or somesuch. Probably for 100 points you couldn't shorter odds, but I imagine you could for a pretty significant shellacking. Could anyone confirm?

India's first cricket world cup win was at very long odds - I think the last time the Dutch played in a World Cup, they got the same odds as India did in 1983, to put it into perspective. The magnitude of that shock probably has to be ranked higher because they won the entire contest, rather than simply a pool match, and that victory has gone on to completely transform the finances and power structure of world cricket. (Kenya reaching the 2003 semifinals was probably "more unlikely" but ultimately less important.)

ThreeQuidder said:

Tim_B said:

JosiasJessop said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

JosiasJessop said:

ThreeQuidder said:

JosiasJessop said:

Alistair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

How's he going to halve the number of passengers overnight?

Back to when the railways were last nationalised.

The East Coast Main Line operated a nationalised service until a few months ago. Has anything improved since Virgin took over?

Many TOCs return a premium to the taxpayer, rather than requiring a grant. See page 4 of:
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/18842/rail-finance-statistical-release-2014-15.pdf

And the Nationalised East Coast service was the second highest return to the taxpayer on a passenger kilometer basis.

Yes, meaning they were beaten by a privatised company, and were far from alone in returning money to the taxpayer.

The EC route is also rather unusual, as it's one of the few routes that has genuine competition with two OA operators: Grand Central and someone else.

Hull Trains.

Thanks.

London Euston to Birmingham New Street is served by London Midland and Virgin Trains. Cross Country have a lot of overlap with other operators.

Yes, but that's not the same as Open Access operators.

This whole rail privatization - if that's even what you can call it - is a mess.

The only way to do it properly is to re-establish the 1948 set up - go back to LMS, LNER etc. Sell the companies the track, rolling stock, stations and infrastructure - every damned thing.

How you get from here to there I haven't the first idea.

I believe that the separation of track ownership and train services is mandated by EU regs

I'm sure there would be many train companies who did or didn't own track who could contract with other track owners. Competition is essential.

Also, if that EU reg is true, it rules out nationalization

Big_G_NorthWales said:

surbiton said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

You have a very narrow view - he could and should have done both

Not really, perhaps he could, perhaps he couldn't, I'm just saying in the hands of a good PR this would be a nice little wrong footing of his opponents.

The average voter would expect the leader of the opposition to attend the opening of a World Event - are you saying he would have avoided the Olympics - just bad diary management but also a lack of respect

Freebie junkie MPs would agree.

I think true Rugby fans deserve tickets ahead of troughing politicians myself.

So under Corbyn our National Events would not be supported - but he prefers to have Hamas, the IRA and Putin as his friends - says it all really

Do you know if Corbyn was actually invited ? I believe the tickets were snapped up months ago by rugby fans.

It would have been a matter of courtesy to invite the leader of HM Opposition and irrespective a place would have been retained for him

Sadly he's too busy undermining our national events by cunningly sorting out his constituent's problems in a fiendish Putin/Hezbollah plot. If we lose this Rugby World Cup we'll know who's commie loving antics to blame.

peter_from_putney said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

another_richard said:

The thing that strikes me from those polls is that the LibDems are still doing crap.

Perhaps they wont get a recovery despite not being in office.

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start.

I've spent three days trying and nothing.

Well why don't you start by writing a paragraph about Farron ..... No? ...... well how about a short sentence about him then?

Tim Farron is 45. Does that help?

surbiton said:

Speedy said:

Opinum has a very interesting table, breaking up support by political orientation:

http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_15_09_2015_tables_0.pdf

Very Left ( percentage of sample 3.5%): LAB 55, CON 19, GRN 10, UKIP 6, SNP 5, LD 1
Left (15%): ------------------------------------------LAB 72, CON 9, SNP 8, GRN 5, UKIP 3, LD 2
Centre Left (19.5%):------------------------------LAB 47, LD 15, CON 14, SNP 9, UKIP 8, GRN 6
Centre (31.3%): ----------------------------------CON 35, LAB 28, UKIP 18, LD 8, SNP 6, GRN 4
Centre-Right ( 19.7%):---------------------------CON 73, UKIP 15, LAB 5, LD 3, GRN 2, SNP 1
Right (8.4%):---------------------------------------CON 69, UKIP 25, LAB 4, LD 1, others 0
Very Right (2.6%):---------------------------------CON 53, UKIP 25, LAB 15, BNP 8, others 0

There are more people on the Left (38%) than on the Right (30.7%) or the Centre (31.3%), however the Tories are ahead because the Centre-Right is unified behind them while the Centre-Left is not unified behind Labour.

15% of the Very Right support Labour ?

A lot of people have a very idiosyncratic idea of what is left and what is right wing.A girlfriend of mine thought the defining issue was that socialists were opposed to human rights.

perdix said:

Dair said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

JosiasJessop said:

SandyRentool said:

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

If 'the people' want to own the railways can they not buy stock in the operating companies?

The operating companies don't own anything - neither tracks nor trains. The State gives them the right to operate for a fixed term. Once their franchises expire, operations can revert to the public sector just like that.

What would you do about the ROSCOs and Open Access operators?

Rolling Stock could be either purchased from the ROSCOs or hired until it is scrapped, with all new stock bought by the state operator. Open access operators can carry on as long as it is on a level playing field.

AIUI the ROSCOs contracts are with the operating company, not the government. They will have the government by the short 'n curlies when it comes to the renegotiation.

Open Access operators will want a level playing field from the government. They may not get it in a nationalised system.

And here's another one: what about freight?

One of the largest owners of the ROSCOs is RBS.

Yeah, they're going to have a potential Corbyn government by the short and curlies.

UK rail freight franchise is operated by German State Railways (DB). Corbyn will upset Mrs Merkel

So it is already nationalised. Is it efficiently run?

TheScreamingEagles said:

MyBurningEars said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Bloody hell. Only just seen that Japan beat the Saffars in the RWC. That has to be about the greatest shock in the history of sport, doesn't it?

Yup.

I was so tense. They were behind 32-29 in added on time, twice they were awarded penalties, rather than go for the tie they went for the victory.

That was brilliant.

What were the odds you could get on Japan before the match? There have obviously been long-odds winners before, but it would be neat if we could say "you could longer odds on Japan winning than on Japan losing by 100 points" or somesuch. Probably for 100 points you couldn't shorter odds, but I imagine you could for a pretty significant shellacking. Could anyone confirm?

India's first cricket world cup win was at very long odds - I think the last time the Dutch played in a World Cup, they got the same odds as India did in 1983, to put it into perspective. The magnitude of that shock probably has to be ranked higher because they won the entire contest, rather than simply a pool match, and that victory has gone on to completely transform the finances and power structure of world cricket. (Kenya reaching the 2003 semifinals was probably "more unlikely" but ultimately less important.)

Paddy Power had them at 100/1 to win and the handicap market was 43 points in the Saffers favour

There was a big Rugby League upset a few years back:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/24565586

England: Sam Tomkins (Wigan), Hall (Leeds), Ablett (Leeds), Cudjoe (Huddersfield), Briscoe (Hull FC); Chase (Castleford), Sinfield (capt) (Leeds); Graham (Canterbury Bulldogs), McIlorum (Wigan), Mossop (Wigan), Hock (Widnes), Farrell (Wigan), Sam Burgess (South Sydney Rabbitohs) !

MyBurningEars said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Bloody hell. Only just seen that Japan beat the Saffars in the RWC. That has to be about the greatest shock in the history of sport, doesn't it?

Yup.

I was so tense. They were behind 32-29 in added on time, twice they were awarded penalties, rather than go for the tie they went for the victory.

That was brilliant.

What were the odds you could get on Japan before the match? There have obviously been long-odds winners before, but it would be neat if we could say "you could longer odds on Japan winning than on Japan losing by 100 points" or somesuch. Probably for 100 points you couldn't shorter odds, but I imagine you could for a pretty significant shellacking. Could anyone confirm?

India's first cricket world cup win was at very long odds - I think the last time the Dutch played in a World Cup, they got the same odds as India did in 1983, to put it into perspective. The magnitude of that shock probably has to be ranked higher because they won the entire contest, rather than simply a pool match, and that victory has gone on to completely transform the finances and power structure of world cricket. (Kenya reaching the 2003 semifinals was probably "more unlikely" but ultimately less important.)

On SpreadEx Japan were 500/1 against being a Group Winner.

Recidivist said:

surbiton said:

Speedy said:

Opinum has a very interesting table, breaking up support by political orientation:

http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_15_09_2015_tables_0.pdf

Very Left ( percentage of sample 3.5%): LAB 55, CON 19, GRN 10, UKIP 6, SNP 5, LD 1
Left (15%): ------------------------------------------LAB 72, CON 9, SNP 8, GRN 5, UKIP 3, LD 2
Centre Left (19.5%):------------------------------LAB 47, LD 15, CON 14, SNP 9, UKIP 8, GRN 6
Centre (31.3%): ----------------------------------CON 35, LAB 28, UKIP 18, LD 8, SNP 6, GRN 4
Centre-Right ( 19.7%):---------------------------CON 73, UKIP 15, LAB 5, LD 3, GRN 2, SNP 1
Right (8.4%):---------------------------------------CON 69, UKIP 25, LAB 4, LD 1, others 0
Very Right (2.6%):---------------------------------CON 53, UKIP 25, LAB 15, BNP 8, others 0

There are more people on the Left (38%) than on the Right (30.7%) or the Centre (31.3%), however the Tories are ahead because the Centre-Right is unified behind them while the Centre-Left is not unified behind Labour.

15% of the Very Right support Labour ?

A lot of people have a very idiosyncratic idea of what is left and what is right wing.A girlfriend of mine thought the defining issue was that socialists were opposed to human rights.

Your Girlfriend was very perceptive, Perhaps she had read 'Capitalism and Freedom', by Milton Friedman, or perhaps she was just observing what actually happens when Socialists get in to power e.g. USSR, and Veniswala, rather than the well meant but altimetry dishonest reassurances, they give before the reality's of the states they crate become evident.

So both Comres and Yougov have Labour on around the 30% mark it won at the election while the Tories voteshare has increased. The 0.5% swing to the Tories with yougov would see the Conservatives win back Chester and Ealing Central and Acton, Brentford and Isleworth, Wirral West and gain Halifax from Labour at the next election. The 2.5% swing to the Tories with comres would see the Tories win all those seats plus another 14 seats including every seat Ed Miliband gained in 2015 along with seats like Bridgend, Barrow and Furness and Hampstead and Kilburn
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/conservative-targets/

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

surbiton said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

bigjohnowls said:

Adam White ‏@adamjoewhite 12h12 hours ago
So Corbyn missed an all expenses paid jolly to the rugby in order to attend his constituency advice surgery? What will this monster do next?

He wants to be Prime Minister - that means showing respect to many including people who don't share his views. He is only in his comfort zone when he is with people who support him

A constituency advice surgery is not just for supporters its for constituents who require advice (even Tories)

Jollies are for normal politicians who love troughing and taking voters for a ride IMO.

That is just absurd - representing your country at a World Event is not troughing and taking voters for a ride

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#ICID=sharebar_twitter

i think he was right to prioritse this.

Ha - nice little coup for Corbyn; I hope those who publicly slammed him apologise.

Meeting your constituents ? Tories say: What is that ?

On what evidence do you say that. Our two adjacent constituencies in North Wales both have conservative MP's who hold regular constituency meetings and are in the local press all the time. But that's why they were both elected with increased majorities this year

Do they prioritise Rugby freebies over constituents?

You are so out of order

Actually it is very pertinent given the argument over singing a homage to an unelected head of state.

Neither Cameron nor Corbyn is our head of state.

Attending events like the Olympics or RWC is simply freeloading. If a representation of the country should attend, the only choice is the head of state.

And after her sour faced, clear unhappiness at being dragged to the Olympics ceremony, it;s no wonder that no-one wants the Queen at their events.

But the PM and LoTO have no place at the event.

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/645367107362930689

TheScreamingEagles said:

I've tried writing a thread on the Lib Dems (and their conference) not sure where to start. I've spent three days trying and nothing.

You might like to start by noting that the Lib Dem Conference in Bournemouth is their largest ever.

Also since the general election, they have held eleven seats in council elections, and gained a further eleven.

But since it is much less effort just to mock, you might prefer to go along with the more mindless members of the media.

Tim_B said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Corbyn's first policy

The people's renationalised railways

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPStQ9HXAAAjyGs.jpg

If 'the people' want to own the railways can they not buy stock in the operating companies?

the idea is that it is democratically controlled on a one person, one vote basis, not a one pound, one vote basis.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/645367107362930689

Renationalising the railways probably same sort of score as rent controls.

It's clear that the Tories need to keep the fire on security for 2020 from the looks of this. Some of the Corbynomics isn't so unpopular.

HYUFD said:

So both Comres and Yougov have Labour on around the 30% mark it won at the election while the Tories voteshare has increased. The 0.5% swing to the Tories with yougov would see the Conservatives win back Chester and Ealing Central and Acton, Brentford and Isleworth, Wirral West and gain Halifax from Labour at the next election. The 2.5% swing to the Tories with comres would see the Tories win all those seats plus another 14 seats including every seat Ed Miliband gained in 2015 along with seats like Bridgend, Barrow and Furness and Hampstead and Kilburn
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/conservative-targets/

To quote the nice lady from the holiday booking advert, 'Shhhh... Keep it quiet.'

Alistair said:

Quincel said:

Anyone else find it weird that despite: the US Presidential Primaries being a constant media focus; despite more money being spent already than we spent on our entire election; and despite the US media's love of the polling horserace even more than ours; no-one bothers to snap poll the primary debates? In fact it's been days since the CNN debate and we haven't had any national primary polling at all. How does that fit with the rest of the over the top focus on the primaries?

There was only one snap poll done for the Romeny Obama debate where Obama 'lost'. It was entirely of old, rich, white, southeren voters. Literally 0 ethnic minorities or anyone on minimum wage. It was astounding demographics.

Actually a GOP NH poll today had Fiorina ahead of Trump and Gravis post debate had Fiorina and Trump tied nationally

Recidivist said:

Razedabode said:

First new leader to have such a small bounce in polling?

Blair had no bounce.

Yes he did, the first poll from Gallup after Blair was elected leader on 21st July 1994 had Labour on 56.5%, the previous Gallup had Labour on 51%

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1992-1997