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HYUFD said:

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Roger said:

I wonder if there is any other nation in Europe or even the world who are quite as petty as the Englsh? It's the price we pay for having a right-wing foreign owned media with a financial interest in keeping the population embroiled in trivia.

'Was the apology he gave for something he said twelve years ago sincere'?....leading the news

'Did he correctly fasten the top button on his shirt at Remembrance Day'?.....led the news for a day

'Did his lips nmove during the national anthem'?....led the news for four days

Meanwhile we have the biggest refugee crisis the world has seen since the war and the only way you get accurate reporting is to visit the dark net

It's frankly pathetic

Its what made Britain great Roger, Attention to detail. Corbyn's disrespect and lack of dress sense needs noting. He would be a laughing stock on the foreign stage(not that he isn't already)

But being a luvvie , one cannot expect you to understand.

Nah, the comment on buttons and dress code is both pathetic and out of date. Something out of a 1950's Debretts.

You are absolutely wrong. The general population want to dress casually, but if our politicians on official duty did so, you would be deafened by the chorus of disapproval from the gen public..(not just the media). as Corbyn found out.

It was hardly deafening. It was few editors and political opponents on social media looking for a way to knock Corbyn. It was sad and anachronistic.

I have heard down the canvassing grapevine that the national anthem issue has had what we call 'breakthrough resonance'. Lots of people apparently bringing it up unprompted, including lifelong Labour voters. I'll be interested in seeing the first poll.

People can't really be that stupid, can they?

Turns out people like our politicians to be patriotic and to dress respectfully for formal events honouring the war dead.

How dire do you think it will be for Labour in the next yougov?

Under 20%?

I doubt it will be that bad - even toxic single events don't kill a third of your vote. But I now think they could go under 25% in the next couple of polls.

25 to 30 percent is likely

When is next poll? Will we have polls in this weekend's Sundays?

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

I've recently started wearing hats. Trying to provide jobs for milliners, who've had some rough decades I'd expect.

Even so, if ties do disappear, fine, but if you wear one do your buttons up, please. Drives me crazy.

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Roger said:

I wonder if there is any other nation in Europe or even the world who are quite as petty as the Englsh? It's the price we pay for having a right-wing foreign owned media with a financial interest in keeping the population embroiled in trivia.

'Was the apology he gave for something he said twelve years ago sincere'?....leading the news

'Did he correctly fasten the top button on his shirt at Remembrance Day'?.....led the news for a day

'Did his lips nmove during the national anthem'?....led the news for four days

Meanwhile we have the biggest refugee crisis the world has seen since the war and the only way you get accurate reporting is to visit the dark net

It's frankly pathetic

Its what made Britain great Roger, Attention to detail. Corbyn's disrespect and lack of dress sense needs noting. He would be a laughing stock on the foreign stage(not that he isn't already)

But being a luvvie , one cannot expect you to understand.

Nah, the comment on buttons and dress code is both pathetic and out of date. Something out of a 1950's Debretts.

You are absolutely wrong. The general population want to dress casually, but if our politicians on official duty did so, you would be deafened by the chorus of disapproval from the gen public..(not just the media). as Corbyn found out.

It was hardly deafening. It was few editors and political opponents on social media looking for a way to knock Corbyn. It was sad and anachronistic.

I have heard down the canvassing grapevine that the national anthem issue has had what we call 'breakthrough resonance'. Lots of people apparently bringing it up unprompted, including lifelong Labour voters. I'll be interested in seeing the first poll.

People can't really be that stupid, can they?

Turns out people like our politicians to be patriotic and to dress respectfully for formal events honouring the war dead.

How dire do you think it will be for Labour in the next yougov?

Under 20%?

I doubt it will be that bad - even toxic single events don't kill a third of your vote. But I now think they could go under 25% in the next couple of polls.

Depends on the weighting given to certainty to vote. I could well imagine a good number of former Labour voters are now far less certain about their support for the party. This could drag them down rather badly on certain methodologies.

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Nobody gives a shit about what you do, but surprisingly, they tend to form a view about people aspiring to lead the country.

Only those as dumb as a sack of spanners could fail to understand that how someone in the public eye comports themselves conveys a message to observers. However, please do keep railing on about how stupid the electorate is.

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

I've recently started wearing hats. Trying to provide jobs for milliners, who've had some rough decades I'd expect.

chuckle.

Anyway, I'm going to pull a Roger and quote an eavesdropped conversation from the pub last night. Three people in their mid-20s were discussing Corbyn, mostly. One seemed to assume the other 2 had voted Labour in the last election.

The reply: "well, there was all that fear mongering at the start but its not come true and we've done alright the last five years"

The Labour supporter's jaw might still be on the floor.

I like my job sometimes, as I can typically spend all day in jeans and a race t-shirt.

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Barbarian.

If anything there can be a correlation between barbarianism and smartness. For example, Idi Amin was very smart and would have certainly passed the button test. You cannot judge people on buttons.

..

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Barbarian.

If anything there can be a correlation between barbarianism and smartness. For example, Idi Amin was very smart and would have certainly passed the button test. You cannot judge people on buttons.

Not alone, certainly.

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Pong said:

JEO said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Jonathan said:

SquareRoot said:

Roger said:

I wonder if there is any other nation in Europe or even the world who are quite as petty as the Englsh? It's the price we pay for having a right-wing foreign owned media with a financial interest in keeping the population embroiled in trivia.

'Was the apology he gave for something he said twelve years ago sincere'?....leading the news

'Did he correctly fasten the top button on his shirt at Remembrance Day'?.....led the news for a day

'Did his lips nmove during the national anthem'?....led the news for four days

Meanwhile we have the biggest refugee crisis the world has seen since the war and the only way you get accurate reporting is to visit the dark net

It's frankly pathetic

Its what made Britain great Roger, Attention to detail. Corbyn's disrespect and lack of dress sense needs noting. He would be a laughing stock on the foreign stage(not that he isn't already)

But being a luvvie , one cannot expect you to understand.

Nah, the comment on buttons and dress code is both pathetic and out of date. Something out of a 1950's Debretts.

You are absolutely wrong. The general population want to dress casually, but if our politicians on official duty did so, you would be deafened by the chorus of disapproval from the gen public..(not just the media). as Corbyn found out.

It was hardly deafening. It was few editors and political opponents on social media looking for a way to knock Corbyn. It was sad and anachronistic.

I have heard down the canvassing grapevine that the national anthem issue has had what we call 'breakthrough resonance'. Lots of people apparently bringing it up unprompted, including lifelong Labour voters. I'll be interested in seeing the first poll.

People can't really be that stupid, can they?

Turns out people like our politicians to be patriotic and to dress respectfully for formal events honouring the war dead.

How dire do you think it will be for Labour in the next yougov?

Under 20%?

I doubt it will be that bad - even toxic single events don't kill a third of your vote. But I now think they could go under 25% in the next couple of polls.

25 to 30 percent is likely

When is next poll? Will we have polls in this weekend's Sundays?

The Mail and Times and Observer could all have polls maybe more

HYUFD said:

JEO said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

JEO said:

I see Brazil has just banned corporate donations to elections. Its a sad situation when developing countries are ahead of us on the curve.

That's not a positive development.

Indeed and Rousseff's party faces corruption allegations and is union backed

As a Conservative I'm more comfortable with union donations than business, but ideally I'd get rid of both.

In a free country donations should be unlimited in my view but I am in a minority

I agree. There should be safeguards and transparency requirements, but curtailing free speech isn't positive.

Mainly because most people who aren't right wing extremist loons think democracy should be about one person, one vote, not one pound, one vote and so should you unless you are extremely rich.

BannedInParis said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

I've recently started wearing hats. Trying to provide jobs for milliners, who've had some rough decades I'd expect.

chuckle.

Anyway, I'm going to pull a Roger and quote an eavesdropped conversation from the pub last night. Three people in their mid-20s were discussing Corbyn, mostly. One seemed to assume the other 2 had voted Labour in the last election.

The reply: "well, there was all that fear mongering at the start but its not come true and we've done alright the last five years"

The Labour supporter's jaw might still be on the floor.

What is fascinating about that is the suggestion that Labour's greatest weapon - fear of what the Tories will do to you - is losing its potency. And with the great uncertainties around what a Corbyn Govt. would actually do, they are allowing that weapon to be pointed back at themselves.

BANG.

HYUFD said:

JEO said:

HYUFD said:

Philip_Thompson said:

JEO said:

I see Brazil has just banned corporate donations to elections. Its a sad situation when developing countries are ahead of us on the curve.

That's not a positive development.

Indeed and Rousseff's party faces corruption allegations and is union backed

As a Conservative I'm more comfortable with union donations than business, but ideally I'd get rid of both.

In a free country donations should be unlimited in my view but I am in a minority

Sure. At companies if the owners decide in a vote they can make a donation - the power was taken away from management 20+ years ago.

I see no reason why union management should have free rein in this matter rather than it being a power reserved to the members

From that independent article "Lib Dem officials admit the party’s private polling, which pointed to a hung parliament, and its on the ground intelligence, did not predict the advance in which the Conservatives gained 27 Lib Dem seats"

Frankly if your ground intelligence through canvassing does not predict you are going to lose incumbent seats then your ground game is in a terrible state. What would be intersting is if this is because of a dramatic decline in the volunteers on the ground in those incumbent seats. I suspect that the loss of councillors is a factor. Something they knew but chose to overlook. There is also the tendency amongst their MPs for them to regard their vote as entirely personal and one which comes from their unique brilliance and wonderfulness. Loss of the protest vote probably amounted to a 1/3 of the decline in % terms.

Yup.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

TSE " the Tory campaign that sought to portray a government featuring the SNP as illegitimate was wrong"

Illegitimate? I do not think so. The message was that the SNP as an anti-british party would have a major influence over Labour in a coalition. Having gone through 5 years of a coalition "influenced" by the Lib Dems, the voters were asked if they wanted another coalition influenced by the SNP. Enough voters decided in England "no thanks".

saddened said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Barbarian.

If anything there can be a correlation between barbarianism and smartness. For example, Idi Amin was very smart and would have certainly passed the button test. You cannot judge people on buttons.

What you think doesn't matter. You have one vote. The fact is Corbyn's job is to appeal to as many voters as possible to improve the prospects of his party. People over 50 vote, people over 50, don't like their potential PM, to turn up at nationally important event looking like a sack of shit loosely tied up in the middle with string. In short scruffy men doing an impression of Harry Enfield's, Kevin the teenager don't impress them.

Not just people over 50. I'm sure a number under that would think they have to dress respectfully on occasions and if going to an interview etc - those that don't care about that probably are less likely to vote too. People of all ages care about appearances it's just that trends and concerns change but few appreciate someone looking like they just don't care.

Good morning, everyone.

QT any good?

Charles said:

I'd take my shoes off in a ... synagogue.

Hats on, not shoes off, at synagogues.

OT Talking of Barbarians....

Someone posted yesterday that the refugees at the Hungarian border had started rioting after only 36 hours. According to this poster their anger after only 36 hours showed what a lucky escape the Hungarians had in keeping these uncivilized barbarians out.

Has anyone ever been at an airport where there are delays of 10 hours let alone 36? Where there are screaming children and no faciities and no one giving out information? Would anyone find this bearable if it was happening to them or their families?

I found the post shocking and was surprised it not only went unchallenged but received some approval. This as the most insidious sort of racism. The belief in an underclass less human than ourselves

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Barbarian.

If anything there can be a correlation between barbarianism and smartness. For example, Idi Amin was very smart and would have certainly passed the button test. You cannot judge people on buttons.

I disagree. For example if you're walking around an area where most people are smartly dressed you're probably in a safer and more civilised district than one where people deliberately dress shabbily.

MarqueeMark said:

BannedInParis said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

I've recently started wearing hats. Trying to provide jobs for milliners, who've had some rough decades I'd expect.

chuckle.

Anyway, I'm going to pull a Roger and quote an eavesdropped conversation from the pub last night. Three people in their mid-20s were discussing Corbyn, mostly. One seemed to assume the other 2 had voted Labour in the last election.

The reply: "well, there was all that fear mongering at the start but its not come true and we've done alright the last five years"

The Labour supporter's jaw might still be on the floor.

What is fascinating about that is the suggestion that Labour's greatest weapon - fear of what the Tories will do to you - is losing its potency. And with the great uncertainties around what a Corbyn Govt. would actually do, they are allowing that weapon to be pointed back at themselves.

BANG.

Depends on what your lot do now, of course. Regaining that fear by trying too much would be a mistake I think.

AndyJS said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Not wearing a tie is one thing, wearing a tie and not doing your top button is just stupid.

Nah, it's daft to care about such things. I don't care what anyone does with their shirt button and what I do with my shirt buttons is my own business and no-one elses.

Barbarian.

If anything there can be a correlation between barbarianism and smartness. For example, Idi Amin was very smart and would have certainly passed the button test. You cannot judge people on buttons.

I disagree. For example if you're walking around an area where most people are smartly dressed you're probably in a safer and more civilised district than one where people deliberately dress shabbily.

No, that's just prejudice.

Roger said:

OT Talking of Barbarians....

Someone posted yesterday that the refugees at the Hungarian border had started rioting after only 36 hours. According to this poster their anger after only 36 hours showed what a lucky escape the Hungarians had in keeping these uncivilized barbarians out.

Has anyone ever been at an airport where there are delays of 10 hours let alone 36? Where there are screaming children and no faciities and no one giving out information? Would anyone find this bearable if it was happening to them or their families?

I found the post shocking and was surprised it not only went unchallenged but received some approval. This as the most insidious sort of racism. The belief in an underclass less human than ourselves

I'm sure there have been pretty serious air travel delays in the past for example when the Icelandic ash cloud happened but I have yet to hear of everyone throwing stones as a result.

Are you saying throwing rocks at police is acceptable behaviour? Are you saying the scenes in Croatia yesterday where young men stampeded through with no regard to the women or children were acceptable?

If your flight is seriously delayed you have the right to claim compensation and be put up in a hotel.
The migrants had no legal right to be allowed into Hungary having passed through a large number of safe countries where they should have claimed asylum.

MarqueeMark said:

BannedInParis said:

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

I've recently started wearing hats. Trying to provide jobs for milliners, who've had some rough decades I'd expect.

chuckle.

Anyway, I'm going to pull a Roger and quote an eavesdropped conversation from the pub last night. Three people in their mid-20s were discussing Corbyn, mostly. One seemed to assume the other 2 had voted Labour in the last election.

The reply: "well, there was all that fear mongering at the start but its not come true and we've done alright the last five years"

The Labour supporter's jaw might still be on the floor.

What is fascinating about that is the suggestion that Labour's greatest weapon - fear of what the Tories will do to you - is losing its potency. And with the great uncertainties around what a Corbyn Govt. would actually do, they are allowing that weapon to be pointed back at themselves.

BANG.

I think we saw that in the desperation to make so much of the supposedly evil bedroom tax. If that is the worst example they can come up with of Tory monstrosity they are struggling. By the next election it will not be an issue at all and even at this one it clearly chimed with far, far fewer people than Labour hoped.

@Jonathan

'Nah, the comment on buttons and dress code is both pathetic and out of date. Something out of a 1950's Debretts.'

Don't think your average voter let alone Worcester woman finds a leader that resembles a Tramp very inspiring.

Best we can do is smile at this.

"Illegal immigrants from more than 80 countries have complained about being served food that is too British as they await deportation."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3238908/Removal-centre-ordered-make-food-British-illegal-immigrants-waiting-shipped-80-countries.html#ixzz3m4yc1OxN

MikeK said:

David Vance ‏@DVATW 3h3 hours ago
11000 invading Muslim immigrants surge across Croatia. UK media covers this by showing pics of upset immigrant babies. We are being played.

Of course we are being played but I think it has more to do with journalism than politics. Deep in the folk memory of broadcast journalism is the image of (the utterly talentless) Michael Buerke building his career on being filmed with starving kids in the 80s. They all want a piece of that.

Interesting to note who the whines about the blairite, BBC, are coming from. Strange it was invisible to them prior to them turning on the anti Blairite, Corbyn. Weird.

Mr. Rex, quite, but the lack of objectivity is staggering.

It also does a disservice to genuine refugees. Many people will assume they're all bad and distrust the media, portraying the migrants unconvincingly as angels. Many are genuine refugees, many are not. Claiming they're all refugees is palpable nonsense, and damages the credibility of the media who claim it.

Mr. Betting, pah.

AnneJGP said:

It is normal for public-eye roles to have a smarter standard of dress than back-office roles. Mr Corbyn only needs to accept that his role has changed from back-office to (say) Reception and dress accordingly.

A pity he didn't realise this in time to start on the correct foot, but now, he only needs to be honest & acknowledge his mistake. It's been a very busy & pressured time for him - one can't think of everything.

I think most people would think that gets it right. It's a reasonable point to make, but the Sun et al risk devaluing their policy attacks by going overboard on this. If you shout hysterically about everything, there's a cry wolf effect.

GarethoftheVale2 said:

I'm sure there have been pretty serious air travel delays in the past for example when the Icelandic ash cloud happened but I have yet to hear of everyone throwing stones as a result.

No.

But I did have to get a taxi from Stockholm to Brussels

AndyJS said:

Jonathan said:

kle4 said:

Roger said:

RADIO 5. Urgent....Urgent....Urgent......Urgent

Could anyone who has had a relative killed or injured during the second world war (up to and including second cousins) please contact us so you can express your disgust at Jeremy Corbyn's decision to leave his top button undone during Rememberance Day Sunday. Nicky Campbell will then emote on your behalf. (Calls will be charged a 10p a minute different charges apply to mobiles)

For me it's not even a respect thing - I just cannot stand top buttons being undone while wearing a tie. (I said he looked fine though)

Ties are an anachronism that are going the way of hats, which 40 years ago were regarded as a vital requirement.

In 50 years, I expect few will wear a tie in any circumstance.

Maybe wearing hats will come back into fashion.

If you want to catch a woman's eye, then a great coat and a Borsalino fedora still works better than most anything.

Except maybe carrying a puppy.

NickPalmer said:

AnneJGP said:

It is normal for public-eye roles to have a smarter standard of dress than back-office roles. Mr Corbyn only needs to accept that his role has changed from back-office to (say) Reception and dress accordingly.

A pity he didn't realise this in time to start on the correct foot, but now, he only needs to be honest & acknowledge his mistake. It's been a very busy & pressured time for him - one can't think of everything.

I think most people would think that gets it right. It's a reasonable point to make, but the Sun et al risk devaluing their policy attacks by going overboard on this. If you shout hysterically about everything, there's a cry wolf effect.

How many hours was it to save the NHS?

Mr. Jonathan, foolish perhaps, but it happens constantly (in the same way, people really do judge books by the cover).

Mr. Palmer, crying wolf suggests those things didn't happen.

A man aspiring to lead this country couldn't bring himself to sing the national anthem at a service to remember the war dead. That's not going to impress the average chap on the street.

Edited extra bit: Miss Plato, my thoughts exactly. If they dislike the food, they'll be happy to enjoy their own preferences when they're out of the country.

Nabavi having a go at anyone for being in Panglossian mode has to rank amongst the most astonishing fits of chutzpah on a site that's riddled with it.

NickPalmer said:

AnneJGP said:

It is normal for public-eye roles to have a smarter standard of dress than back-office roles. Mr Corbyn only needs to accept that his role has changed from back-office to (say) Reception and dress accordingly.

A pity he didn't realise this in time to start on the correct foot, but now, he only needs to be honest & acknowledge his mistake. It's been a very busy & pressured time for him - one can't think of everything.

I think most people would think that gets it right. It's a reasonable point to make, but the Sun et al risk devaluing their policy attacks by going overboard on this. If you shout hysterically about everything, there's a cry wolf effect.

Seriously?

Your only concern is newspapers will undermine their future attacks on Jeremy’s policies?

The crucial point about a politician's dress style is whether or not they look the C word to voters, or not.



Competent.

There's nothing democratic about regionally based SNP MPs propping up Labour when their MPs can vote on English matters but not on the same matters which affect their constituencies. The Tory poster was correct and the reaction of English voters inevitable.
lf anything breaks up the Union it will be Labours botched devolution - and Labour's wipeout in Scotland was entirely the result of their own botched occupation of the place for over a generation.

saddened said:

Jonathan said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Things have come to a pretty pass when even sensible Labour supporters such as Jonathan are reduced to trying to convince themselves that Corbyn looking shifty and scruffy at a ceremony honouring those who gave their lives in the Battle of Britain doesn't matter politically. (And that's without even mentioning the national anthem stuff).

FWIW I haven't said it doesn't matter politically. Sadly it does. Nevertheless, I do think it's daft and over-egged by Tories who are having jolly good fun and enjoying some faux outrage. I would expect 'sensible' Tories like you to call that out for the fluff it is.

The anthem issue is more serious IMO. But it's the policies and track record that actually matter.

How can it be fluff, yet matter politically?

Because sometimes fluff matters.