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It’d be easy to laugh at Jeremy Corbyn’s unsteady progress over the last few days.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.0 -
JICIPM!0
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Another rubbishy thread on C. Phewy!!!0
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How come TSE can write in big letters?! No fair!0
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Congrats on getting Glen to write for PB. His longer piece on Corbyn is also well worth reading.
http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-wrongness-of-corbynism.html0 -
Glen has an impressive CV, his knowledge of history is nearly as impressive as mine.Tissue_Price said:Congrats on getting Glen to write for PB. His longer piece on Corbyn is also well worth reading.
http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-wrongness-of-corbynism.html
http://www.history.brookes.ac.uk/People/Academic/prof.asp?ID=600
Was a real pleasure to ask him to write a piece for PB.0 -
Why should we take Labourites seriously when they can't take themselves seriously?0
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Another #SAVECORBYN thread ?
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Good article. Corbyn is transient, but the issues that gave rise to him - and Bernie Sanders and Ben Carson and Donald Trump - are not.
Strong echoes of the article I posted yesterday in the WSJ:
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/britains-unsettling-omen-1442272191-lMyQjAxMTI1NDE3NTMxMTU5Wj0 -
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I think there's a good deal of truth in this article. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Corbyn.
But:-
1. There aren't enough of them. Most people aren't radical socialists;
2. Plenty of people are disgusted by the current system, but are radical right, rather than radical left.
3. Social media are absolutely not indicative of the public as a whole.0 -
The real reason that people voted for Corbyn was the failure of the pollsters in May. Bear with me...
The polls in May made it look like Labour could win control of gov (either directly or with the SNP).
The loss, when it came, was therefore far more devastating to those on the Left, than if they had been expecting to lose.
Therefore they are angry, and voting for Corbyn is a "get back at you" response that have control over.
Silly, angry, and ultimately damaging to the Labour party. But you can blame the pollsters...
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I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.0 -
Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.0
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Well we have to make the most of the opportunity - he won't last forever.TGOHF said:Another #SAVECORBYN thread ?
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"They found it in an obscure MP who had already served his constituency for over thirty years, but they might just as easily have latched onto another cause. It was partly happenstance. They think little of the traditional party structures and loyalties of yesteryear, as we saw when so many of them were confused about why they had been excluded from Labour’s vote – for supporting, or even paying for, Green or other candidates."
I think this is true from my interactions with Corbynistas. They could just have easily as been Abottonians or McDonnellites. And plenty saw themselves as "socialist" or "leftie" or "radical" first, and "Labour" (if at all) very much second.0 -
Don't give up the day jobMarkHopkins said:
The real reason that people voted for Corbyn was the failure of the pollsters in May. Bear with me...
The polls in May made it look like Labour could win control of gov (either directly or with the SNP).
The loss, when it came, was therefore far more devastating to those on the Left, than if they had been expecting to lose.
Therefore they are angry, and voting for Corbyn is a "get back at you" response that have control over.
Silly, angry, and ultimately damaging to the Labour party. But you can blame the pollsters...
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Social media or Socialist media?Sean_F said:I think there's a good deal of truth in this article. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Corbyn.
But:-
1. There aren't enough of them. Most people aren't radical socialists;
2. Plenty of people are disgusted by the current system, but are radical right, rather than radical left.
3. Social media are absolutely not indicative of the public as a whole.0 -
Was thinking over a lunchtime swim about PMQs. The 2 main things I took away are:
- Corbyn came across as very reasonable, almost grandfatherly, which will blunt any Tories attacks saying he his dangerous
- On the other hand he wasn't particularly effective. His questions were far too wordy and I am already struggling to remember what they were about. MacNeil's attack was much shorter and more effective.
It is fine for Corbyn to be reasonable but he needs to be much more forensic and to the point, if he is going to land any blows.0 -
In what way? He ignores the media until he doesn't. He won't sing the anthem until he will. He hides behind a human shield at questions, which won't last. He won't bend the knee to the queen, until he does. What has he changed?surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
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Superb article Glen. Lots of good points to chew over.0
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Anti-establishment politics moves beyond old fashioned notions of left and right. In fact there's a great deal of convergence.Sean_F said:I think there's a good deal of truth in this article. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Corbyn.
But:-
1. There aren't enough of them. Most people aren't radical socialists;
2. Plenty of people are disgusted by the current system, but are radical right, rather than radical left.
3. Social media are absolutely not indicative of the public as a whole.0 -
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.0 -
Someone talked about PMQs being boring. Now perhaps do you see why no-one has had a proper crack at trying to change things? Dull and worthy is going to get duller and worthier rather rapidly.0
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An interesting thread Professor O’Hara – I don’t think the fanaticism of the Corbynites is underestimated, or their ability to keep him in office until GE2020, the issue is whether Jeremy Corbyn can appeal to the wider electorate and win the next general election and the simple answer is he cannot.0
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there's no chip, Loyalists are trying to jump on an Outrage Bus which doesn't exist in the minds of people in Scotland.MTimT said:
I worry for Scotland if malcolmg is representative. Rather than address bad news on literacy and availability of higher education to the poor - which of course will not affect the average person on the street as they have already completed their education, he'd prefer to mock a newspaper because it's English.malcolmg said:
LOL. yes that will be read widely in Scotland. Typical southern rag.
That is one huge chip to be carrying around.
Is there a problem in Scottish education? Probably not, there's some variation in results but absolutely no child has left Primary School who has spent their education under a majority SNP government. No child has left High School who has spent their education under any SNP government.
Education is a long term project. the new Curriculum for Excellence which is only being implemented began its process over TEN years ago. If there is a problem - and it is by no means clear that there is, then it's going to be another ten years before anything the SNP do today will become apparent.
More importantly, to the public simply not an issue and when the alternative is SLAB, the SNP look like the only logical choice.0 -
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
reminds me of the scene between Harvey Keitel and his girlfriend in Mean Streets when she asks why he won't settle down0 -
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
I know a number of female lawyers who won't instruct her on the basis of her behaviour, and judgement. They won't be alone.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.0 -
I think the point of the article is not so much that people agree with Corbyn but that they disagree materially with business as usual and politics as it has developed in most of the western world. In other word Corbyn's success is a symptom of the underlying condition not a solution.Sean_F said:I think there's a good deal of truth in this article. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Corbyn.
But:-
1. There aren't enough of them. Most people aren't radical socialists;
2. Plenty of people are disgusted by the current system, but are radical right, rather than radical left.
3. Social media are absolutely not indicative of the public as a whole.
I agree up to a point. The problem with the issues of the world today is that they are very complicated. Take the example of housing that we were discussing in previous threads today. Everyone agrees there is a major problem but there is almost no consensus on the causes of the problem, let alone the solutions. Experts in the field can happily and legitimately disagree with each other all day long.
The result of this complexity is an increasing alienation of ever more of our population from not only politics but broader issues of public policy. Most just switch off but a significant number look for simplicities and sweeping assertions which do not get bogged down in the detail. The likes of Corbyn provides these but the consequence is that his support is facile and febrile.
My reservation is whether it is really true that issues used to be simpler or whether we simply had politicians who were better than the current crop at building a coherent narrative. My suspicion is that it is the latter. Politicians who have been brought up in the soundbite world seem almost incapable of thinking in complete sentences, let alone paragraphs, despite being very bright.0 -
Well, I wouldn't brief her. Regardless of her opinions she's already established herself as indiscreet, a grandstander, and already known to the judiciary for all the wrong reasons. And there are so many other capable junior juniors out there, why take the risk?oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.
No doubt a glittering career in the media beckons though.0 -
@politicshome: Tory MP considers infiltrating Corbyn's PMQs' crowdsourcing http://t.co/6ECWaTtwto http://t.co/Gr37PEN9n2
I have a question from Dave in Witney...0 -
If I instructed a barrister, I would expect her to represent my client's interests to the best of her ability. With Claire Proudman, I'd be concerned that my client's interests would take second place to her politics.oxfordsimon said:
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
And Osama in Tora Bora.Scott_P said:@politicshome: Tory MP considers infiltrating Corbyn's PMQs' crowdsourcing http://t.co/6ECWaTtwto http://t.co/Gr37PEN9n2
I have a question from Dave in Witney...0 -
I have a question from Dave in Witney...
Just read a funny one from 'Tony in Onslow Square....'0 -
It doesn't - because she is a woeful media performer.Carolus_Rex said:
Well, I wouldn't brief her. Regardless of her opinions she's already established herself as indiscreet, a grandstander, and already known to the judiciary for all the wrong reasons. And there are so many other capable junior juniors out there, why take the risk?oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.
No doubt a glittering career in the media beckons though.
She might write a few opinion pieces before slinking back into insignificance.0 -
"Corbyn speaks for, and to, a great big slice of Britain"
But does he? That's the key question. Or does he just speak for, and to, a loud one. For now.
"Hence the appeal of Corbyn’s apparently home-spun rhetoric"
But isn't that intrinsically linked to the shambles of his first week? There's a reason why the professional greasy pole climbers act, speak and look like they do: Corbyn's just proved it by contradiction.0 -
She will get teased mercilessy, she is very foolish. Any guy who meets her not in work is going to compliment her legs, her looks and her other " attributes", just in order to annoy her.Sean_F said:
If I instructed a barrister, I would expect her to represent my client's interests to the best of her ability. With Claire Proudman, I'd be concerned that my client's interests would take second place to her politics.oxfordsimon said:
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
Correct. Of course he has not changed the rules. He stands up and he asks questions. And I think the word you are looking for is gravitas.MarqueeMark said:
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.0 -
For me his 'home-spun rhetoric' was just rambling and utterly lacking in focus. It reinforces rather than challenges the negative perception that is building up about him.david_herdson said:"Corbyn speaks for, and to, a great big slice of Britain"
But does he? That's the key question. Or does he just speak for, and to, a loud one. For now.
"Hence the appeal of Corbyn’s apparently home-spun rhetoric"
But isn't that intrinsically linked to the shambles of his first week? There's a reason why the professional greasy pole climbers act, speak and look like they do: Corbyn's just proved it by contradiction.
And as for his questions from 'real' people... well I am not sure I buy it. Anyone can come up with a name to attach to a given question. Even 'honest' Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
LOL 'Old-fashioned notions of left and right' were old-fashioned and inappropriate when I was a kid. Nothing new about that. Plus ca change ....DanSmith said:
Anti-establishment politics moves beyond old fashioned notions of left and right. In fact there's a great deal of convergence.Sean_F said:I think there's a good deal of truth in this article. There are a lot of people out there who agree with Corbyn.
But:-
1. There aren't enough of them. Most people aren't radical socialists;
2. Plenty of people are disgusted by the current system, but are radical right, rather than radical left.
3. Social media are absolutely not indicative of the public as a whole.0 -
I've been working all morning, and haven't had a chance to follow what's being going on. How was PMQs?0
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No, gravity.flightpath01 said:
Correct. Of course he has not changed the rules. He stands up and he asks questions. And I think the word you are looking for is gravitas.MarqueeMark said:
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.
The fall from power will be very hard. And probably even harder for his current loud supporters to deal with.
Corbyn will never have political gravitas. Ever.0 -
MikeK said:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
That is terrifying.
And I say that as someone who is happy to have seen the back of 1970s sexism.0 -
Indeed. As if 40,000 people suggested the same question.oxfordsimon said:
For me his 'home-spun rhetoric' was just rambling and utterly lacking in focus. It reinforces rather than challenges the negative perception that is building up about him.david_herdson said:"Corbyn speaks for, and to, a great big slice of Britain"
But does he? That's the key question. Or does he just speak for, and to, a loud one. For now.
"Hence the appeal of Corbyn’s apparently home-spun rhetoric"
But isn't that intrinsically linked to the shambles of his first week? There's a reason why the professional greasy pole climbers act, speak and look like they do: Corbyn's just proved it by contradiction.
And as for his questions from 'real' people... well I am not sure I buy it. Anyone can come up with a name to attach to a given question. Even 'honest' Jeremy Corbyn.
I bet most of the emails he received were simply insults towards Cameron, in the guise of 'questions'.
I wonder if 'Michael Green' wrote in?0 -
She will get teased mercilessly, she is very foolish.
'put the kettle on luv, Milk and two sugars...'
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Mr Corbyn has had an email from a Mr Punch congratulating him on clearing his good name.0
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Just dropping into say hello to you shambolic bunch of lovable misguided buffoons! It's all quite fun at the mo isn't it, imagine the suicide inducing dullness if we had burnham or cooper mouthing their meaningless robotic platitudes to look forward to for the next five years.0
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rcs1000 said:
I've been working all morning, and haven't had a chance to follow what's being going on. How was PMQs?
And insofar as PMQs ever reaches the voters, Mr Corbyn’s approach carries another risk. By making himself into the spokesman for those who email him, he also risks letting their concerns define him. In effect, he may appear to be the parliamentary representative of welfare claimants, social housing tenants and other members of the vulnerable groups he says should be heard in politics. And in principle, he’s got a point: Parliament should reflect the country as a whole and its views. But in terms of brutal party politics, presenting Labour as the party of welfare recipients et al is exactly what the Conservatives want; Mr Corbyn’s approach risks doing Mr Cameron’s job for him.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/11868946/James-Kirkup-Jeremy-Corbyn-played-for-a-draw-and-thats-just-fine-for-David-Cameron.html
Given all that, the PM did the right thing. All he needs to do to win is match Mr Corbyn’s earnest tone then sit back to watch the Labour lead reap the consequences of his worthy but ultimately limited strategy.0 -
If only Evan Davis would have called her 'luv' or 'darling' just for a laughSquareRoot said:
She will get teased mercilessy, she is very foolish. Any guy who meets her not in work is going to compliment her legs, her looks and her other " attributes", just in order to annoy her.Sean_F said:
If I instructed a barrister, I would expect her to represent my client's interests to the best of her ability. With Claire Proudman, I'd be concerned that my client's interests would take second place to her politics.oxfordsimon said:
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
@JohnRentoul: #PMQs review: Corbyn promised powerful opposition to the Tories – this wasn’t it @IndyVoices http://t.co/iNrljqggpv http://t.co/knCeCIzATn0
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she seems about as cheery as the atmosphere at Chelsea's training ground.SunnyJim said:MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
That is terrifying.
And I say that as someone who is happy to have seen the back of 1970s sexism.0 -
Indeed - And in the words of Mark Wallace: - Only Jeremy Corbyn could radically change something to make it more bland.Scott_P said:@JohnRentoul: #PMQs review: Corbyn promised powerful opposition to the Tories – this wasn’t it @IndyVoices http://t.co/iNrljqggpv http://t.co/knCeCIzATn
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Yes, good article. Even in conventional terms, Corbyn's mandate was so overwhelming - including amongst full party members, and even pre-2010 party members - that it will be hard for MPs to ditch him, even if they had an easy means and could agree on who they want to put in his place.
One thing, though, I'd take issue with - is it really true that there is an unusual amount of rage and anger at the moment? OK, amongst the die-hard lefties, sure, but then they are always angry that the world won't bend to fit their ideology. But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content: the economy is good, unemployment is fairly low, wages are rising now, the government is competent, scare stories about public services aren't borne out either by reality or by the occasional polls measuring satisfaction, and so on. Of course there are major issues and concerns - immigration, housing, the EU, the refugee crisis - but there's never been a time when there haven't been things to be concerned about. Twitter, Comment is Free, the Telegraph ranting pages, and even politicalbetting.com are not representative of the population at large. We should be careful not to be misled by a self-selected group of the strident and the malcontent.0 -
Then Nigel Dodds, leader of the Democratic Unionist Party in Parliament, a powerful speaker, asked the Prime Minister to join him in condemning John McDonnell, Corbyn’s shadow chancellor, for saying we should be “honouring” the IRA.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/prime-ministers-questions-corbyn-promised-powerful-opposition-to-the-tories--this-wasnt-it-10503512.html
That question and Cameron’s dignified and heartfelt answer – one of his first experiences in politics was to write a speech for Ian Gow, murdered by an IRA car bomb – are devastating for Corbyn’s reputation. The voters of Middle Britain will never tolerate someone who makes excuses for terrorists.
He got through PMQs today. But he will not make it to the next general election.0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/11868946/James-Kirkup-Jeremy-Corbyn-played-for-a-draw-and-thats-just-fine-for-David-Cameron.htmlScott_P said:rcs1000 said:I've been working all morning, and haven't had a chance to follow what's being going on. How was PMQs?
And insofar as PMQs ever reaches the voters, Mr Corbyn’s approach carries another risk. By making himself into the spokesman for those who email him, he also risks letting their concerns define him. In effect, he may appear to be the parliamentary representative of welfare claimants, social housing tenants and other members of the vulnerable groups he says should be heard in politics. And in principle, he’s got a point: Parliament should reflect the country as a whole and its views. But in terms of brutal party politics, presenting Labour as the party of welfare recipients et al is exactly what the Conservatives want; Mr Corbyn’s approach risks doing Mr Cameron’s job for him.
Given all that, the PM did the right thing. All he needs to do to win is match Mr Corbyn’s earnest tone then sit back to watch the Labour lead reap the consequences of his worthy but ultimately limited strategy.
I'm tempted to e-mail Corbyn about his position on tiger importation rules....0 -
Dair, thanks for the reasoned response. I am now better informed.Dair said:
there's no chip, Loyalists are trying to jump on an Outrage Bus which doesn't exist in the minds of people in Scotland.MTimT said:
I worry for Scotland if malcolmg is representative. Rather than address bad news on literacy and availability of higher education to the poor - which of course will not affect the average person on the street as they have already completed their education, he'd prefer to mock a newspaper because it's English.malcolmg said:
LOL. yes that will be read widely in Scotland. Typical southern rag.
That is one huge chip to be carrying around.
Is there a problem in Scottish education? Probably not, there's some variation in results but absolutely no child has left Primary School who has spent their education under a majority SNP government. No child has left High School who has spent their education under any SNP government.
Education is a long term project. the new Curriculum for Excellence which is only being implemented began its process over TEN years ago. If there is a problem - and it is by no means clear that there is, then it's going to be another ten years before anything the SNP do today will become apparent.
More importantly, to the public simply not an issue and when the alternative is SLAB, the SNP look like the only logical choice.
It is not an issue for which I have any skin in the game. FWIW, I supported Scottish independence if that is what the people want. And in any case, it's in everyone's interest for Scotland to be successful regardless of its decision on independence.0 -
I'm tempted to e-mail Corbyn about his position on tiger importation rules....MarqueeMark said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/11868946/James-Kirkup-Jeremy-Corbyn-played-for-a-draw-and-thats-just-fine-for-David-Cameron.htmlScott_P said:rcs1000 said:I've been working all morning, and haven't had a chance to follow what's being going on. How was PMQs?
And insofar as PMQs ever reaches the voters, Mr Corbyn’s approach carries another risk. By making himself into the spokesman for those who email him, he also risks letting their concerns define him. In effect, he may appear to be the parliamentary representative of welfare claimants, social housing tenants and other members of the vulnerable groups he says should be heard in politics. And in principle, he’s got a point: Parliament should reflect the country as a whole and its views. But in terms of brutal party politics, presenting Labour as the party of welfare recipients et al is exactly what the Conservatives want; Mr Corbyn’s approach risks doing Mr Cameron’s job for him.
Given all that, the PM did the right thing. All he needs to do to win is match Mr Corbyn’s earnest tone then sit back to watch the Labour lead reap the consequences of his worthy but ultimately limited strategy.
Claws 4?
I'll get me coat....0 -
isam said:
If only Evan Davis would have called her 'luv' or 'darling' just for a laughSquareRoot said:
She will get teased mercilessy, she is very foolish. Any guy who meets her not in work is going to compliment her legs, her looks and her other " attributes", just in order to annoy her.Sean_F said:
If I instructed a barrister, I would expect her to represent my client's interests to the best of her ability. With Claire Proudman, I'd be concerned that my client's interests would take second place to her politics.oxfordsimon said:
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.
You can just see it happening, bloke walks past "nice tits darling" .
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If he had, could she take offence, knowing he is gay?isam said:
If only Evan Davis would have called her 'luv' or 'darling' just for a laughSquareRoot said:
She will get teased mercilessy, she is very foolish. Any guy who meets her not in work is going to compliment her legs, her looks and her other " attributes", just in order to annoy her.Sean_F said:
If I instructed a barrister, I would expect her to represent my client's interests to the best of her ability. With Claire Proudman, I'd be concerned that my client's interests would take second place to her politics.oxfordsimon said:
And you will be far from alone in that. Reputation at the bar is EVERYTHING.Sean_F said:
I would not wish to instruct someone who displays such bad judgement.oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.
I think she would't have had any difficulty. She probably has an even bigger issue with ridicule than sexism.0 -
Perhaps, at this stage, he is trying to come across to the public as reasonable and grandfatherly????? And not in the least dangerous?????GarethoftheVale2 said:Was thinking over a lunchtime swim about PMQs. The 2 main things I took away are:
- Corbyn came across as very reasonable, almost grandfatherly, which will blunt any Tories attacks saying he his dangerous
- On the other hand he wasn't particularly effective. His questions were far too wordy and I am already struggling to remember what they were about. MacNeil's attack was much shorter and more effective.
It is fine for Corbyn to be reasonable but he needs to be much more forensic and to the point, if he is going to land any blows.
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No, gravity. When they all come down with a bump.flightpath01 said:
Correct. Of course he has not changed the rules. He stands up and he asks questions. And I think the word you are looking for is gravitas.MarqueeMark said:
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.0 -
Mr Glen (writer for the Independent) O'Hara is so perceptive that he thought the tories electoral strength was overstated before the last election and the coalition were cutting spending too quickly.
It does not take a self styled academic genius to tell us that events might happen.
How much did he get right on this
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/11/26/british-politics-is-heading-back-to-1974/
or this
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/09/14/labour-in-dire-trouble-electoral-history-tells-a-more-nuanced-story/
History man? Looking back is not doing him much good.
Stick to the coffee shops of Headington Mr O'Hara if you want to see how the world is changing.0 -
Good article. The guy's an absolute phenomenon. Incredible.
It might just be happenstance, but by heck he's got authenticity in spades. I defy anyone to look at this photo and deny the man's integrity.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/01/fan-catches-jeremy-corbyn-looking-gloomy-on-night-bus
I'm actually beginning to fall in love with him, and I'm not kidding.0 -
Nope. He is an idiot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Glen has an impressive CV, his knowledge of history is nearly as impressive as mine.Tissue_Price said:Congrats on getting Glen to write for PB. His longer piece on Corbyn is also well worth reading.
http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-wrongness-of-corbynism.html
http://www.history.brookes.ac.uk/People/Academic/prof.asp?ID=600
Was a real pleasure to ask him to write a piece for PB.0 -
Yes there really is. Incandescent rage. Masses of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
One thing, though, I'd take issue with - is it really true that there is an unusual amount of rage and anger at the moment?0 -
Claws 4?welshowl said:
I'm tempted to e-mail Corbyn about his position on tiger importation rules....MarqueeMark said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/pmqs/11868946/James-Kirkup-Jeremy-Corbyn-played-for-a-draw-and-thats-just-fine-for-David-Cameron.htmlScott_P said:rcs1000 said:I've been working all morning, and haven't had a chance to follow what's being going on. How was PMQs?
And insofar as PMQs ever reaches the voters, Mr Corbyn’s approach carries another risk. By making himself into the spokesman for those who email him, he also risks letting their concerns define him. In effect, he may appear to be the parliamentary representative of welfare claimants, social housing tenants and other members of the vulnerable groups he says should be heard in politics. And in principle, he’s got a point: Parliament should reflect the country as a whole and its views. But in terms of brutal party politics, presenting Labour as the party of welfare recipients et al is exactly what the Conservatives want; Mr Corbyn’s approach risks doing Mr Cameron’s job for him.
Given all that, the PM did the right thing. All he needs to do to win is match Mr Corbyn’s earnest tone then sit back to watch the Labour lead reap the consequences of his worthy but ultimately limited strategy.
I'll get me coat....
Can you get me a cloth to clean the soft drink off the computer screen before you go....?0 -
I think the odd Claire Proudman is a price worth paying for what things used to be like.
I remember being at lunch in the City and being dumbfounded when a man at another table casually asked a rather fulsome female colleague as she got up to leave....'so, are you taking your t8ts back to the office then..??'
This was the early 1990s.0 -
You reckon he's still alive?watford30 said:
And Osama in Tora Bora.Scott_P said:@politicshome: Tory MP considers infiltrating Corbyn's PMQs' crowdsourcing http://t.co/6ECWaTtwto http://t.co/Gr37PEN9n2
I have a question from Dave in Witney...0 -
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
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Does he need to land blows at this stage?
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Assume you have been a client of those lawyers and they confided in you, the alternative is too horrific to imagine.watford30 said:
I know a number of female lawyers who won't instruct her on the basis of her behaviour, and judgement. They won't be alone.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.MikeK said:http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/16/watch-the-most-annoying-woman-ever-proudman/
You can laugh or cry with this.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.0 -
@JohnRentoul: Absolutely nothing on Twitter from Corbyn supporters explaining why he was right not to sing yesterday and right to sing in future.Estobar said:It might just be happenstance, but by heck he's got authenticity in spades.
Is that an "authentic" u-turn? An "authentic" betrayal of republican principles?0 -
OK, now I'm thinking you are really a troll, having fun by posing as a leftie.Estobar said:Good article. The guy's an absolute phenomenon. Incredible.
It might just be happenstance, but by heck he's got authenticity in spades. I defy anyone to look at this photo and deny the man's integrity.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/01/fan-catches-jeremy-corbyn-looking-gloomy-on-night-bus
I'm actually beginning to fall in love with him, and I'm not kidding.0 -
Where were all these outraged citizens last May ?Estobar said:
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
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If only we could have some sort of national election to gauge the popularity of the Tories versus Labour?Estobar said:
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
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''OK, now I'm thinking you are really a troll, having fun by posing as a leftie. ''
Yes the mask may have slipped with the last sentence of that post...0 -
I'm sure it could. But you don't seem to have understood my question. Is there any reason to imagine that the list is longer, or the 'anger' more intense, than at lots of other periods in the last half-century? Because I'm old enough to remember that half-century, and to be perfectly honest the 'rage', even on the left, seems to me to be rather synthetic at the moment.Estobar said:
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
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I don't doubt that they were genuine questions put by genuine people. From what I've heard - and this is all second-hand to me - it was too disjointed to have been pure invention. But being genuine is not of itself enough to be effective.oxfordsimon said:
For me his 'home-spun rhetoric' was just rambling and utterly lacking in focus. It reinforces rather than challenges the negative perception that is building up about him.david_herdson said:"Corbyn speaks for, and to, a great big slice of Britain"
But does he? That's the key question. Or does he just speak for, and to, a loud one. For now.
"Hence the appeal of Corbyn’s apparently home-spun rhetoric"
But isn't that intrinsically linked to the shambles of his first week? There's a reason why the professional greasy pole climbers act, speak and look like they do: Corbyn's just proved it by contradiction.
And as for his questions from 'real' people... well I am not sure I buy it. Anyone can come up with a name to attach to a given question. Even 'honest' Jeremy Corbyn.0 -
Impotent, infantile rage. From a very small minority of very loud people.Estobar said:
Yes there really is. Incandescent rage. Masses of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
One thing, though, I'd take issue with - is it really true that there is an unusual amount of rage and anger at the moment?0 -
Rocks and bricks thrown at riot police on Hungarian border as migrants try to break through.
Tear gas, pepper spray and water cannon offered in response...0 -
Whereas the most intelligent contribution to ever come out of you left a brown stain on the toilet bowl.flightpath01 said:
Nope. He is an idiot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Glen has an impressive CV, his knowledge of history is nearly as impressive as mine.Tissue_Price said:Congrats on getting Glen to write for PB. His longer piece on Corbyn is also well worth reading.
http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-wrongness-of-corbynism.html
http://www.history.brookes.ac.uk/People/Academic/prof.asp?ID=600
Was a real pleasure to ask him to write a piece for PB.
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Yup, and if Labour members were really unhappy with the government they'd have proritised getting rid of it. What they're telling us is that ultimately, they don't think a Tory government is too bad.Richard_Nabavi said:Yes, good article. Even in conventional terms, Corbyn's mandate was so overwhelming - including amongst full party members, and even pre-2010 party members - that it will be hard for MPs to ditch him, even if they had an easy means and could agree on who they want to put in his place.
One thing, though, I'd take issue with - is it really true that there is an unusual amount of rage and anger at the moment? OK, amongst the die-hard lefties, sure, but then they are always angry that the world won't bend to fit their ideology. But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content: the economy is good, unemployment is fairly low, wages are rising now, the government is competent, scare stories about public services aren't borne out either by reality or by the occasional polls measuring satisfaction, and so on. Of course there are major issues and concerns - immigration, housing, the EU, the refugee crisis - but there's never been a time when there haven't been things to be concerned about. Twitter, Comment is Free, the Telegraph ranting pages, and even politicalbetting.com are not representative of the population at large. We should be careful not to be misled by a self-selected group of the strident and the malcontent.0 -
"See, madness, as you know, is like gravity: all it takes is a little push!"MarqueeMark said:
No, gravity. When they all come down with a bump.flightpath01 said:
Correct. Of course he has not changed the rules. He stands up and he asks questions. And I think the word you are looking for is gravitas.MarqueeMark said:
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
If only we could have some sort of national election to gauge the popularity of the Tories versus Labour?Estobar said:
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
Wait till the true results come out via Twitter.
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Just wondering... What are the criteria for appointment as a barrister? As I understand it, it is just a matter of being in with the right people and eating the necessary number of dinners. But are there other filters?oxfordsimon said:
She is clearly trying to make a name for herself - in the hope of getting more work/attention. I can imagine many, many people will make sure that she is not engaged on any cases they are seeking to bring.surbiton said:
I am all for women's equality but this woman is a b1tch ! The senior silk was wrong is complimenting her; agreed. But he only got to reply because she sent him an unsolicited mail.
She did not send it to the 280m linkedin users, only those she chose to send to. She or he did not know each other from Adam.
Her media performances clearly show she is not an advocate of any quality. Who is going to employ a barrister with such an obvious chip on her shoulder, someone who is going to push their own agenda rather than representing you effectively?
Her professional career has been damaged by this. And the fault for that is all hers - not the person who made the comments about her online profile.0 -
Am I the only person already tired of the Corbyn circus?
I hope we can leave him alone to either succeed or fail and get on with arguing about something else.0 -
You left out the nurses, the lovely nurses, the lovely voting nurses, the lovely Labour voting nurses.Estobar said:
Christ. You haven't got a clue! Go and talk to teachers, health workers, people trying to get on the housing ladder, students not to mention people forced to use food banks, pound shops, wonga dealers ... the list could go on.Richard_Nabavi said:But, compared with much of the last fifty years, mostly people seem pretty content:
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The best put down I have ever heard was at a business dinner, when some arrogant fool asked the waitress the age old question: "What does it take to get into your knickers"taffys said:I think the odd Claire Proudman is a price worth paying for what things used to be like.
I remember being at lunch in the City and being dumbfounded when a man at another table casually asked a rather fulsome female colleague as she got up to leave....'so, are you taking your t8ts back to the office then..??'
This was the early 1990s.
Back came the stunning reply " There's only room for one c**t in my knickers"0 -
#DUJCAtaffys said:''OK, now I'm thinking you are really a troll, having fun by posing as a leftie. ''
Yes the mask may have slipped with the last sentence of that post...0 -
@jonwalker121: The new #PMQs - Corbyn asks polite and very good questions & Labour listens quietly as Mr Cameron explains what great work the govt is doing0
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God the atmosphere in here is like a graveyard. I'm off ski! Love y'all.0
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Yes - that was my point.oxfordsimon said:
No, gravity.flightpath01 said:
Correct. Of course he has not changed the rules. He stands up and he asks questions. And I think the word you are looking for is gravitas.MarqueeMark said:
No, he really hasn't. But he has surrounded himself with people who think he has.surbiton said:Like it or not, Corbyn has changed the rules.
Political gravity is going to be a bitch.
The fall from power will be very hard. And probably even harder for his current loud supporters to deal with.
Corbyn will never have political gravitas. Ever.
Since no one expected labour MPs to nominate him I am totally open about what will happen in the future. The damage is done for Labour. Indeed once they do, if they do, get rid of him (it will be the same MPs who nominated him) Labour will look totally stupid and open to all the barbs that will happily then be thrown at them.0 -
Dear Dear , how coarse TSE, have you joined the oafs. Even allowing for the provocation that is bad form.TheScreamingEagles said:
Whereas the most intelligent contribution to ever come out of you left a brown stain on the toilet bowl.flightpath01 said:
Nope. He is an idiot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Glen has an impressive CV, his knowledge of history is nearly as impressive as mine.Tissue_Price said:Congrats on getting Glen to write for PB. His longer piece on Corbyn is also well worth reading.
http://publicpolicypast.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/the-wrongness-of-corbynism.html
http://www.history.brookes.ac.uk/People/Academic/prof.asp?ID=600
Was a real pleasure to ask him to write a piece for PB.0 -
Who are now gifted a fucking massive megaphone, courtesy of social media....oxfordsimon said:
Impotent, infantile rage. From a very small minority of very loud people.Estobar said:
Yes there really is. Incandescent rage. Masses of it.Richard_Nabavi said:
One thing, though, I'd take issue with - is it really true that there is an unusual amount of rage and anger at the moment?0
