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If we rewind but a few months, many thought that Labour was heading for government with Ed Miliband as Prime Minister and yet now it is genuinely quite difficult to imagine Labour being in power again.
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And first!!!DavidBrackenbury said:
Depends whether you need a Partner or Associate and also what the issue is, but a good benchmark for a small town Partner might be £200- 250 per hour. Would tend to be higher in London and the SE and some other more expensive areas. Hope this helps.HurstLlama said:O/T Does anyone have a fair idea of the current hourly rate of a competent, small-town, family solicitor?
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Because you can't believe what has happened to Lab and are trying to ignore the Jezgasm0
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Labour are utterly screwed, if Cooper is their only hope.0
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Really powerful piece Keiran, many thanks for this.0
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Very sensible Keiran. I assume you will be sticking around for the resistance?0
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FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...0
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At 22nd Century prices.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
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Pah, I voted
JC
LK
AB
YC
I voted Yvette last because she's the only one who's likely to have slept with Ed Balls
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Go Cooper!0
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Listening to Cooper in the debate I am almost swinging to Corbyn..she is truly pathetic I have rarely heard so many tired cliches in one speech and the false pleading in her voice makes her even sound false.. really quite pathetic0
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rottenborough said:
Go Cooper!
We will never compete in an arms race of rhetoric. We will never conduct the debate in way that whips up tensions and hostility.
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/82276714334/labours-approach-to-immigration-speech-by
Nor will we ignore or dismiss legitimate voices of concern, and pretend we can wish problems away.
We need proper border controls in place.
And we need stronger controls at the ports where the most problems arise.
it is progressive to call for much stronger enforcement at Calais0 -
Not sure if this has been posted but Dan Hodges calls a spade a spade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11849665/Make-no-mistake-Labour-is-at-war-with-itself.html0 -
And he's going to love every minute of it!SquareRoot said:Not sure if this has been posted but Dan Hodges calls a spade a spade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11849665/Make-no-mistake-Labour-is-at-war-with-itself.html0 -
A sensible piece Mr Pedley, a lone voice of reason, amongst the chatter of fools. But too late?0
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The best leader for Labour out of these 4 is None of the Above.
It would have been better for Ed M to have stayed on and for Labour to have had the debate that Nick Palmer was touching on on the previous thread than go through this farce.
@NickPalmer: I found some of what you said quite interesting. I will give it some thought and come back to you later, if I may. While we disagree on many matters, I do appreciate the fact that you reply to my queries.0 -
Who knows. It is not impossible that we are about to see a major surprise when the 2nd or 3rd prefs come in. The pollsters and the pundits could be wrong - as they were when D Millband stood. 43% 1st prefs seems to be the magic number - above that Corbyn has won.SimonStClare said:A sensible piece Mr Pedley, a lone voice of reason, amongst the chatter of fools. But too late?
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Good heavens, Mr. Brackenbury, that is expensive to be sure. We are just talking about ordinary family business - wills, probates, deeds, firing off the odd snotty "solicitors' letter", that sort of thing.DavidBrackenbury said:
And first!!!DavidBrackenbury said:
Depends whether you need a Partner or Associate and also what the issue is, but a good benchmark for a small town Partner might be £200- 250 per hour. Would tend to be higher in London and the SE and some other more expensive areas. Hope this helps.HurstLlama said:O/T Does anyone have a fair idea of the current hourly rate of a competent, small-town, family solicitor?
We, as a family, have used the same firm since it was established just after WW2 - the founder served with my late father-in-law. The founder has now died (he retired long ago but you know how it is) and we feel that perhaps it is time to make a break and have build a relationship with a firm closer to home. We also have some business that needs to be transacted in relation to wills and, maybe, a trust.
If £250 plus a bit is the going rate, then at least I am forearmed. Thanks.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
"It’s also frankly about time that Labour chose a woman to the lead the party. It’s embarrassing that Labour has yet to do so."
Not a fan of that line of thinking, especially given Cooper's own outpouring of identity politics tosh during the campaign.
That said, she'd still be better than Burnham.0 -
Civil discussion is always cool!Cyclefree said:The best leader for Labour out of these 4 is None of the Above.
It would have been better for Ed M to have stayed on and for Labour to have had the debate that Nick Palmer was touching on on the previous thread than go through this farce.
@NickPalmer: I found some of what you said quite interesting. I will give it some thought and come back to you later, if I may. While we disagree on many matters, I do appreciate the fact that you reply to my queries.
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Negotiated fixed prices are useful.HurstLlama said:
Good heavens, Mr. Brackenbury, that is expensive to be sure. We are just talking about ordinary family business - wills, probates, deeds, firing off the odd snotty "solicitors' letter", that sort of thing.DavidBrackenbury said:
And first!!!DavidBrackenbury said:
Depends whether you need a Partner or Associate and also what the issue is, but a good benchmark for a small town Partner might be £200- 250 per hour. Would tend to be higher in London and the SE and some other more expensive areas. Hope this helps.HurstLlama said:O/T Does anyone have a fair idea of the current hourly rate of a competent, small-town, family solicitor?
We, as a family, have used the same firm since it was established just after WW2 - the founder served with my late father-in-law. The founder has now died (he retired long ago but you know how it is) and we feel that perhaps it is time to make a break and have build a relationship with a firm closer to home. We also have some business that needs to be transacted in relation to wills and, maybe, a trust.
If £250 plus a bit is the going rate, then at least I am forearmed. Thanks.
As are pee-written-by-you snotty letters, which just need a letterhead and a signature, and very carefully organised files.
The last snotty letter I had written cost £110 5 years ago.
The equation may be 1 day plumber = 1 hour lawyer.
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With Cooper in charge they'd cruise to another defeat in 2020; with Corbyn in charge they'd hurtle to another defeat in 2020 all guns blazing.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
"It’s also frankly about time that Labour chose a woman to the lead the party. It’s embarrassing that Labour has yet to do so."
Not a fan of that line of thinking, especially given Cooper's own outpouring of identity politics tosh during the campaign.
That said, she'd still be better than Burnham.
The trouble is that many Lab members and some Lab MPs rather like the idea of the latter.
(Edit: and with Burnham in charge they'd fizzle out well before 2020 and be flat out on the ground by then)0 -
If you're lucky enough to cross on the hovercraft from Southsea, then you get a vision of the future from thirty years ago which is now the past.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
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"Trotskyism is a tool of the Capitalists!"SeanT said:
NB I registered so I could vote Corbyn and screw Labour, as per this excellent threader, but that was before it was revealed he was a nasty fellow travelling quasi Islamist Trot.
http://www.cpgb-ml.org/index.php?secName=leaflets&subName=display&leafletId=890 -
Not anymore, alas, Doc. When our boy was small (from the ages of 1 to 12) we took a summer holiday on the Isle of Wight for precisely the reason you mentioned. Each year from about 1998 on wards we felt that the island was rapidly catching up and on the last occasion we went it was really no "nicer" than bloody Bognor.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
Perhaps this is some side effect of time travel into the past. The more one does it the less distance* one goes back.
The conflation of the ideas of distance with time is, of course, in itself worrying but according to a chum of mine, who makes her living as a management-coach, perfectly logical.0 -
@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
http://t.co/dlQJK2vqTz0 -
Post-emptive strike?Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
http://t.co/dlQJK2vqTz0 -
It's been years since Dover had any hovercraft. The ramp was still in situ, but derelict when I went a few weeks ago.JosiasJessop said:
If you're lucky enough to cross on the hovercraft from Southsea, then you get a vision of the future from thirty years ago which is now the past.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
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Pah, is that all? Surely a stiffly-worded letter to the Guardian would have been an adequate response by the government, rather than an extra-judicial execution?Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
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''Pah, is that all? Surely a stiffly-worded letter to the Guardian would have been an adequate response by the government, rather than an extra-judicial execution?''
Conhome points out there's evidence that even the government is well to the left of many voters on the issue of Syria.
Goodness knows where that would put labour and the commentariat....0 -
FPT
Mr Palmer - there is nothing baffling about pointing out that - at best - you are a simpleton. To the rest of the world you are a shining beacon pointing out why Labour are utterly facile, self serving and not to be trusted or let within a million miles of government.0 -
"This fragile pro-refugee coalition is leaving voters behind
If we dismiss our opponents as heartless instead of bringing them onto our side, we'll end up like Labour did in the election"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11848519/This-fragile-pro-refugee-coalition-is-leaving-voters-behind.-We-need-to-take-them-with-us.html0 -
This Labour demanded debate on refugees has turned into a farce The Labour Party are simply trying to make political points...Kaufman is now going on about Israeli terrorists..unbelivable SHEESH. What about the effin refugees Kaufman Cooper0
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Madam Balls clearly enjoying her three hours in the sun (HoC). Even BBC and SKY showing her opening speech. Theresa May was not afforded the same (unless I missed it because I had to nip out). 'Im not sure given Labour's open door immigration policy, that they are going to get any credit in calling for more migrants to be allowed in.
I agree with some posters on here, that there is now a massive disconnect between the broadcasters/political commentators and the general public.0 -
If they can't run a leadership election, how can they run the country?SeanT said:
Relatedly, I have yet to receive my ballot paper or email-that-lets-me-vote, despite having paid my £3 and despite my receiving several hundred plaintive texts from various Labour candidates (proving that I have successfully registered).rottenborough said:
Who knows. It is not impossible that we are about to see a major surprise when the 2nd or 3rd prefs come in. The pollsters and the pundits could be wrong - as they were when D Millband stood. 43% 1st prefs seems to be the magic number - above that Corbyn has won.SimonStClare said:A sensible piece Mr Pedley, a lone voice of reason, amongst the chatter of fools. But too late?
How many are in my position? What is the problem?
I wonder if there is an upset to be had, amidst the (deliberate?) chaos
NB I registered so I could vote Corbyn and screw Labour, as per this excellent threader, but that was before it was revealed he was a nasty fellow travelling quasi Islamist Trot. If I did get a ballot now i'd chuck it in the bin.0 -
@HurstLliama
'Good heavens, Mr. Brackenbury, that is expensive to be sure. We are just talking about ordinary family business - wills, probates, deeds, firing off the odd snotty "solicitors' letter", that sort of thing.'
If it's any consolation you normally get the initial discussion (30 minutes) on what you want doing free.
I had some lease extension work done recently and the local solicitors I contacted offered the initial freebie & then were happy to quote a fixed price. Wills & Trusts are also normally done on fixed prices.0 -
I am praying they will select Burnham.TOPPING said:
With Cooper in charge they'd cruise to another defeat in 2020; with Corbyn in charge they'd hurtle to another defeat in 2020 all guns blazing.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
"It’s also frankly about time that Labour chose a woman to the lead the party. It’s embarrassing that Labour has yet to do so."
Not a fan of that line of thinking, especially given Cooper's own outpouring of identity politics tosh during the campaign.
That said, she'd still be better than Burnham.
The trouble is that many Lab members and some Lab MPs rather like the idea of the latter.
(Edit: and with Burnham in charge they'd fizzle out well before 2020 and be flat out on the ground by then)0 -
Oh how we laughed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Post-emptive strike?Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
http://t.co/dlQJK2vqTz
But yes - just like the one on Osama bin Ladin.0 -
@watford30
'She's spinning around like a weathercock. Nothing like an opportunist.'
Seeing if she can spin & be inconsistent as many times as Burnham ?0 -
Yep. I might be wrong, but I think the Southsea to ?Ryde? hovercraft is the only scheduled hovercraft service still going in the UK.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It's been years since Dover had any hovercraft. The ramp was still in situ, but derelict when I went a few weeks ago.JosiasJessop said:
If you're lucky enough to cross on the hovercraft from Southsea, then you get a vision of the future from thirty years ago which is now the past.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
A couple of the massive cross-channel hovercrafts can be seen in the car park of the nearby hovercraft museum. I'd love to go in one of those if they were ever got running again.
But what we really need in the UK are cross channel Ekranoplans.
http://wiki.vostokwatches.eu/images/assets/ekranoplan02.jpg0 -
Y4LotO!!
I've got my 2011 shadsy voucher still waiting to be dusted off and encashed....
or not.0 -
A load of sanctimony here from Roger Cohen in the New York Times.AndyJS said:"This fragile pro-refugee coalition is leaving voters behind
If we dismiss our opponents as heartless instead of bringing them onto our side, we'll end up like Labour did in the election"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11848519/This-fragile-pro-refugee-coalition-is-leaving-voters-behind.-We-need-to-take-them-with-us.html
It's so easy to slag off Eastern European nations as racist. My guess is that if you've had to endure decades of tyranny and ethnic cleansing, you don't feel much of an obligation to open your doors to the world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/opinion/roger-cohen-aylan-kurdis-europe.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=00 -
Mr. Jessop, ekranoplans are cool.0
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Dair says he's just a guy in a Land Rover - who should I believe ??Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
http://t.co/dlQJK2vqTz
"A source said: “Khan was in direct contact with people in the UK who were plotting with him to carry out attacks that would cause mass casualties.” A separate source confirmed these would have included armed assaults on the streset on VJ Day similar to the beach massacre in Tunisia in June where 30 Britons were shot dead while sunbathing. Crowds of Londoners turned out to watch to arrival of VIPs for a church service to commemorate the end of hostilities in 1945."
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Maybe that's it. Maybe that's what happens to Lab MPs when someone points out their party isn't wearing any clothes and is pointless. Look at NPXx2MP on here.john_zims said:@watford30
'She's spinning around like a weathercock. Nothing like an opportunist.'
Seeing if she can spin & be inconsistent as many times as Burnham ?
cf Jezza.0 -
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I'd go with Dair. He clearly has access to better intelligence sources, than the amateurs in the security services.TGOHF said:
Dair says he's just a guy in a Land Rover - who should I believe ??Scott_P said:@JoeMurphyLondon: Revealed - Reyaad Khan planned a Tunisia-style gun massacre of members of public & veterans at VJ Day on Aug 15
http://t.co/dlQJK2vqTz
"A source said: “Khan was in direct contact with people in the UK who were plotting with him to carry out attacks that would cause mass casualties.” A separate source confirmed these would have included armed assaults on the streset on VJ Day similar to the beach massacre in Tunisia in June where 30 Britons were shot dead while sunbathing. Crowds of Londoners turned out to watch to arrival of VIPs for a church service to commemorate the end of hostilities in 1945."0 -
Miss Plato, judging by the picture he shares a tailor with Mr. Eagles.0
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Here is a brilliant and better reason than this piece for Corbyn: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/gregor-cubie/jeremy-corbyn_b_8096364.html
Now more than ever we also need someone who will take on the war mongerers. The future of national security is not dependent on who The Sun or Daily Express decide we should next be bombing.0 -
That's up there with Polly being a Red Tory.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Trotskyism is a tool of the Capitalists!"SeanT said:
NB I registered so I could vote Corbyn and screw Labour, as per this excellent threader, but that was before it was revealed he was a nasty fellow travelling quasi Islamist Trot.
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"We Spoke To The Person Behind The “Stop Allowing Immigrants Into The UK” Petition
Over 100,000 people have signed a petition to “stop allowing immigrants into the UK” which was posted to the government and parliament petitions site."
http://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/we-spoke-to-the-person-behind-the-stop-allowing-immigrants-i?utm_term=4ldqpia
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It's curious to think that Kaufman's future already lay behind him, when he entered Parliament in 1970.Plato said:0 -
No wonder we beat Sidney so often if this is the example he has been set:
William Hill @sharpeangle
Colin Styring from Melbourne set to win £2500 after £50 @ 50/1 bet in June 2000 with @sharpeangle on Queen to reign longer than Victoria.0 -
Mr. Estober, war mongers*
I don't think a more peaceful approach is necessarily unacceptable, the problem is that Corbyn appears to be very chummy with people whose interests are often diametrically opposed to our own.0 -
We are about to see the start of one of the greatest shake ups in British politics since 1997 and possibly 1979 and very few people in the establishment, to which I include political betting, are aware. There is a zeitgeist shift.0
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And you wonder why I am so scathing about Mr Palmer.SquareRoot said:Not sure if this has been posted but Dan Hodges calls a spade a spade.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11849665/Make-no-mistake-Labour-is-at-war-with-itself.html
Its nothing new. There have been rational thinking democrats who believe in our country (lets face it to the Corbyns of this world Roy Mason was a traitor) but there have always been the revolutionary fellow travellers aching to take over. The useful idiots look like laying out the red carpet for them this time.
Interestingly Hodges points this out about Corbyn's senior advisor - ''As a senior adviser to Ed Miliband, it was Fletcher who designed the new voting system that is set to deliver Corbyn his against the odds victory.' Job done.
Plus on UNITE man Murray, ''Murray is the man who organised the “spontaneous” oversubscribed public gatherings that characterise Corbynmania.'
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''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??0 -
I think it's a touch lower than that: 42% if Burnham finishes second and 41% if it's Cooper (as there'll be more AB-JC than YC-JC).rottenborough said:
Who knows. It is not impossible that we are about to see a major surprise when the 2nd or 3rd prefs come in. The pollsters and the pundits could be wrong - as they were when D Millband stood. 43% 1st prefs seems to be the magic number - above that Corbyn has won.SimonStClare said:A sensible piece Mr Pedley, a lone voice of reason, amongst the chatter of fools. But too late?
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great piece. Allow me to summarise:Estobar said:Here is a brilliant and better reason than this piece for Corbyn: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/gregor-cubie/jeremy-corbyn_b_8096364.html
Now more than ever we also need someone who will take on the war mongerers. The future of national security is not dependent on who The Sun or Daily Express decide we should next be bombing.
If you look back on your student days with regret and longing and hark back to those hazy, drunken, idealistic debates about putting the world to rights...then voting for Jezza will transport you right back to those times.0 -
Some people actually voted for Kaufman to return to Parliament..scary..0
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Ah, Kaufman, the MP who wanted to fleece the taxpayer for £8,865 against the purchase of a 40-inch Bang & Olufsen TV and £1,461.83 for a rug. His expense claims would make Cooper blush.Plato said://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/641253033448501248
Stick him in a room with some ISIL nutters and see how quickly he changes his mind.
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You clearly haven't read it as he says he disagrees with Corbyn about student tuition fees.TOPPING said:
great piece. Allow me to summarise:Estobar said:Here is a brilliant and better reason than this piece for Corbyn: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/gregor-cubie/jeremy-corbyn_b_8096364.html
Now more than ever we also need someone who will take on the war mongerers. The future of national security is not dependent on who The Sun or Daily Express decide we should next be bombing.
If you look back on your student days with regret and longing and hark back to those hazy, drunken, idealistic debates about putting the world to rights...then voting for Jezza will transport you right back to those times.0 -
Someone should tell the electorate -they rejected Jezza-lite in May as it was too left wing - no chance they will embrace full fat Ed.Estobar said:We are about to see the start of one of the greatest shake ups in British politics since 1997 and possibly 1979 and very few people in the establishment, to which I include political betting, are aware. There is a zeitgeist shift.
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Titters
"Corbyn, by rallying people around his idealistic stances on nationalisation, is drawing attention to consumer concerns about prices more convincingly than the sensible but overly moderate and jellyish Ed Miliband ever could, and this can reap policy dividends even in opposition.
And that's how you win debates in a way that actually changes the law without moral sacrifice.
Ed Miliband's general election campaign, for all its failings, is proof that this is possible."0 -
My NewsSense™ alert just tripped...Estobar said:We are about to see the start of one of the greatest shake ups in British politics since 1997 and possibly 1979 and very few people in the establishment, to which I include political betting, are aware. There is a zeitgeist shift.
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taffys said:
''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??
The pragmatic cosy centrist consensus is being about to get an earthquake. It's not going to be an easy ride. Hell, there are even lots of cosy Labour MPs who are in for a shaking, but the article puts it very well. The political debate in Britain hasn't really advanced for 40 years. Thatcher won it back around 1983/4. Corbyn's about to challenge the status quo and I think that kind of cocksure public schoolboy grin we saw from Osborne yesterday is going to be wiped off a few faces. A massive shift in political debate, and therefore centre, is about to happen.0 -
he says that, yes. He also notes that Jezza's eg. People's QE is unworkable. So he acknowledges that Jezza's policies, which would affect millions of Britons, are fantasy. And still he supports him for the "shake up" in British politics.Estobar said:
You clearly haven't read it as he says he disagrees with Corbyn about student tuition fees.TOPPING said:
great piece. Allow me to summarise:Estobar said:Here is a brilliant and better reason than this piece for Corbyn: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/gregor-cubie/jeremy-corbyn_b_8096364.html
Now more than ever we also need someone who will take on the war mongerers. The future of national security is not dependent on who The Sun or Daily Express decide we should next be bombing.
If you look back on your student days with regret and longing and hark back to those hazy, drunken, idealistic debates about putting the world to rights...then voting for Jezza will transport you right back to those times.
But that is exactly archetypal student fantasy politics: idealistic theory vs pragmatic reality that the PM (and the LotO) have to consider and act upon. It is playing at politics.
(Welcome, btw!)0 -
@paulwaugh: Downing St revealed today that @nicolasturge FMinister's office informed on privy council terms of drone strike on Aberdeen's Ruhul Amin0
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Oh dear.Estobar said:taffys said:''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??
The pragmatic cosy centrist consensus is being about to get an earthquake. It's not going to be an easy ride. Hell, there are even lots of cosy Labour MPs who are in for a shaking, but the article puts it very well. The political debate in Britain hasn't really advanced for 40 years. Thatcher won it back around 1983/4. Corbyn's about to challenge the status quo and I think that kind of cocksure public schoolboy grin we saw from Osborne yesterday is going to be wiped off a few faces. A massive shift in political debate, and therefore centre, is about to happen.0 -
Typical Tory - all for the 'free' market until the negative effects cease falling solely on other people.SeanT said:Re the London mayoralty, if one of the candidates came out against the random, horrible demolition of happy pubs I reckon they could get quite a few votes.
I'm all for the free market but property developers are now hollowing out the city.
http://deserter.co.uk/2015/09/pubwatch-the-gladstone-arms/
I know you aren't really a Tory anyway, just a drama queen. Join us.
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I'm not so sure. There's the 1931 MacDonald fallout and the SDP's founding in 1981, but in neither case was the leadership about to be delivered into the hands of a serial rebel.Keiran Pedley said:"Has there been a more turbulent 6 months in the history of the Labour Party? I am sure there has"
But look on the bright side: if this is a new record, it should be broken again over the next 6 months.0 -
''Oh dear.''
Yep. That Escobar post is a keeper...0 -
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increasetaffys said:''Oh dear.''
Yep. That Escobar post is a keeper...
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It's also worth remembering, and the Tories will have been reminded by happy coincidence of this, that their majority is wafer thin. We've not seen such a slender majority since 1970-4.
There are even circumstances in which Corbyn could be PM before 2020 though I'm not betting on it myself. The point is that politics in Britain suddenly got interesting again. There's a hell of a lot of pent up anger dammed up behind Corbyn.0 -
JWisemann said:
Typical Tory - all for the 'free' market until the negative effects cease falling solely on other people.SeanT said:Re the London mayoralty, if one of the candidates came out against the random, horrible demolition of happy pubs I reckon they could get quite a few votes.
I'm all for the free market but property developers are now hollowing out the city.
http://deserter.co.uk/2015/09/pubwatch-the-gladstone-arms/
I know you aren't really a Tory anyway, just a drama queen. Join us.
Free market doesn't mean "free for all". Do you not understand the difference?
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You know it's coming one way or another, I think, deep down. If not via Corbyn then as soon as another crack in the crumbling edifice opens up.SimonStClare said:
Oh dear.Estobar said:taffys said:''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??
The pragmatic cosy centrist consensus is being about to get an earthquake. It's not going to be an easy ride. Hell, there are even lots of cosy Labour MPs who are in for a shaking, but the article puts it very well. The political debate in Britain hasn't really advanced for 40 years. Thatcher won it back around 1983/4. Corbyn's about to challenge the status quo and I think that kind of cocksure public schoolboy grin we saw from Osborne yesterday is going to be wiped off a few faces. A massive shift in political debate, and therefore centre, is about to happen.
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I'm still bemused that people are still trying to sell Liz Kendall as the "electable" candidate, when she went down even worse than Corbyn with those Newsnight focus groups of swing voters.0
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The Corbynites think that their man will be sufficiently different to appeal to a broader disenfranchised electorate, sick of parties that seem the same, run by smooth political figures. They will probably be right that the Labour Party will elect JC, but they won't get further. While the electorate as a whole may well be cynical about politics and politicians, Mr. Corbyn and all he stands for is not the solution. Why on earth did the other three Candidates not engage with the campaign until the eleventh hour?
Labour are making a historical and giant mistake.
The party is damaged whatever and whoever wins, but once Jeremy Corbyn becomes Leader they will really only be talking to their own echo chamber. The electorate won't be listening. Truly the culture of spin that Messers Blair, Mandelson and Campbell pioneered in the 1990s will reap its whirlwind...0 -
Read that Ros Altman has voted having been apparently privately a member of both Labour and Tory! There is something a bit dishonest of that and when the BBC bring on people like her on as supposedly `neutral` experts there should make some attempt to be transparent about their guests `political` associations0
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Yes, the Tory term 'free market' means a 'free for all' for me and strict regulation for you.MarkHopkins said:JWisemann said:
Typical Tory - all for the 'free' market until the negative effects cease falling solely on other people.SeanT said:Re the London mayoralty, if one of the candidates came out against the random, horrible demolition of happy pubs I reckon they could get quite a few votes.
I'm all for the free market but property developers are now hollowing out the city.
http://deserter.co.uk/2015/09/pubwatch-the-gladstone-arms/
I know you aren't really a Tory anyway, just a drama queen. Join us.
Free market doesn't mean "free for all". Do you not understand the difference?
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Estobar said:
It's also worth remembering, and the Tories will have been reminded by happy coincidence of this, that their majority is wafer thin. We've not seen such a slender majority since 1970-4.
There are even circumstances in which Corbyn could be PM before 2020 though I'm not betting on it myself. The point is that politics in Britain suddenly got interesting again. There's a hell of a lot of pent up anger dammed up behind Corbyn.
"There's a hell of a lot of pent up anger dammed up behind Corbyn."
That would be all the other Labour MPs.
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FPT
@Charles It's not the PM I'm worried about, its the MoD. Fallon has been sounding a bit over-excited as well.
@Plato I have some sympathy with you over not wanting the discussion to continue. Hard to get the tone right I suppose at the bottom of my angst is a fear that we will stop being careful and proportionate and end up being less like the good guys I hope we are. It may well be necessary to kill terrorists. But I don't want us to enjoy it.
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'POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!'JWisemann said:
You know it's coming one way or another, I think, deep down. If not via Corbyn then as soon as another crack in the crumbling edifice opens up.SimonStClare said:
Oh dear.Estobar said:taffys said:''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??
The pragmatic cosy centrist consensus is being about to get an earthquake. It's not going to be an easy ride. Hell, there are even lots of cosy Labour MPs who are in for a shaking, but the article puts it very well. The political debate in Britain hasn't really advanced for 40 years. Thatcher won it back around 1983/4. Corbyn's about to challenge the status quo and I think that kind of cocksure public schoolboy grin we saw from Osborne yesterday is going to be wiped off a few faces. A massive shift in political debate, and therefore centre, is about to happen.
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The scary version?DavidBrackenbury said:The Corbynites think that their man will be sufficiently different to appeal to a broader disenfranchised electorate, sick of parties that seem the same, run by smooth political figures. They will probably be right that the Labour Party will elect JC, but they won't get further. While the electorate as a whole may well be cynical about politics and politicians, Mr. Corbyn and all he stands for is not the solution. Why on earth did the other three Candidates not engage with the campaign until the eleventh hour?
They are all secretly Corbynites!0 -
Definitely - there is about to be a huge vacuum where the Labour party once was - some sort of red Kipper party which stands for everything JC is against could fill it.JWisemann said:
You know it's coming one way or another, I think, deep down. If not via Corbyn then as soon as another crack in the crumbling edifice opens up.SimonStClare said:
Oh dear.Estobar said:taffys said:''There is a zeitgeist shift.''
Shift to what though...??
The pragmatic cosy centrist consensus is being about to get an earthquake. It's not going to be an easy ride. Hell, there are even lots of cosy Labour MPs who are in for a shaking, but the article puts it very well. The political debate in Britain hasn't really advanced for 40 years. Thatcher won it back around 1983/4. Corbyn's about to challenge the status quo and I think that kind of cocksure public schoolboy grin we saw from Osborne yesterday is going to be wiped off a few faces. A massive shift in political debate, and therefore centre, is about to happen.
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MrsB, don't worry, in a few days discussion will all be about Corbyn's appalling victory/shock failure.
And the more important matter of F1 engines, of course.0 -
Too true, they might be keeping their heads down right now, but I can't see that lasting if he's elected.MarkHopkins said:That would be all the other Labour MPs.
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So Keiran extolls the virtues of Cooper - but voted Kendall #1?0
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What do the enormo-haddocks say?Morris_Dancer said:MrsB, don't worry, in a few days discussion will all be about Corbyn's appalling victory/shock failure.
And the more important matter of F1 engines, of course.0 -
As do house prices.foxinsoxuk said:FPT: Time travel to the past is quite possible. Both Redfunnel and Wightlink go back about 3 decades as you cross the Solent...
@SeanT: fancy swapping your flat in Primrose Hill (borders) for this lovely place?
http://search.knightfrank.co.uk/cho1403770 -
Presumably Ros Altman is anti UKIP, Lib Dem, Green and SNP.Metatron said:Read that Ros Altman has voted having been apparently privately a member of both Labour and Tory! There is something a bit dishonest of that and when the BBC bring on people like her on as supposedly `neutral` experts there should make some attempt to be transparent about their guests `political` associations
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Mr. Brackenbury, about Corbyn or engines?
They believe there's a done deal between Ferrari and Red Bull, and that the Lotus-Renault deal is near certain to proceed. Their views on Honda's engine are unprintable.
The enormo-haddock believe that Corbyn would be wise to avoid swimming in open water.0 -
The only question is where the first barricades will be erected, where the first direct action marches riots will take place. 'Anti Austerity-capitalist-warmongering-landlords for Peace' marchers.DavidBrackenbury said:The Corbynites think that their man will be sufficiently different to appeal to a broader disenfranchised electorate, sick of parties that seem the same, run by smooth political figures. They will probably be right that the Labour Party will elect JC, but they won't get further. While the electorate as a whole may well be cynical about politics and politicians, Mr. Corbyn and all he stands for is not the solution. Why on earth did the other three Candidates not engage with the campaign until the eleventh hour?
Labour are making a historical and giant mistake.
The party is damaged whatever and whoever wins, but once Jeremy Corbyn becomes Leader they will really only be talking to their own echo chamber. The electorate won't be listening. Truly the culture of spin that Messers Blair, Mandelson and Campbell pioneered in the 1990s will reap its whirlwind...
All organised by the democratic centralism of the New Socialist Labour Party.0 -
They do say that fish is good for the brain. But it should't be applied externally...0
