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Australia -195 for 3.....0
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I would be interested, except that I have a BetFair English Cricket Bond, purchased yesterday at 10am for £50 . It also matures today or tomorrow, but at a rate of 3.20TheWhiteRabbit said:I'm launching a new bond.
It's called the "BetFair English Cricket bond".
It has a price of £100, a yield of 1.07, and matures either today or tomorrow.
You can get it from BetFair, I'm just a PR person.
I'm not FCA regulated though.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone have any suggestions as to why the Australian selectors thought that Shaun Marsh was a better option than his brother? At least Mitchell Marsh hits a couple of boundaries before throwing away his wicket.
EDIT: Michael Vaughan channelling his inner Geoffrey Boycott and criticising the Aussie idea of a forward defensive!0 -
Why is everything going to third slip? Usually first and second slip get a lot more opportunities.0
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Marsh gone?0
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Another one0
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Ozzies folding quicker than a well oiled cinema chair.
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Here comes the collapse!!!0
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And SmithSimonStClare said:Marsh gone?
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Pakistanis, December 1971?TheScreamingEagles said:Aussies collapsing like Starfleet at Wolf359
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Correction: Australia -195 for 4.....0
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Clarke 0
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Another one gone.0
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australia = labour 2015-20200
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Oh lol Smith. Even better. Clarke surely to go soon.0
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Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'0 -
Smith gone for 5. - what were you saying Dr Blue 0
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Actually, I thought the election showed us that polling on personalities WAS very reliable (since Cameron consistently led Miliband on personal ratings while trailing on voting intentions).Tissue_Price said:
As the election showed us, we should stop simply accepting polls as a substitute for political thought..
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Did you see on the previous thread, I tipped Spurs to beat Manchester United tomorrow?Scrapheap_as_was said:australia = labour 2015-2020
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Looks indeed like I spoke too soon
(Maybe it was down to that message?)0 -
A man was driving along erratically and is stopped by the police. The officer asks for a breath sample. The man produces a card saying: 'Asthmatic. Do not breathalyse.'
The officer suggests a blood test.The man produces a card saying: 'Anaemic. Do not extract blood.'
The officer, exasperated, advises the man he will be taken to the station for a urine test. The man produces a card saying: 'This man plays cricket for Australia...'0 -
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'0 -
No & I shall continue not to do so....TheScreamingEagles said:
Did you see on the previous thread, I tipped Spurs to beat Manchester United tomorrow?Scrapheap_as_was said:australia = labour 2015-2020
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Potentially important news: Russia abandoning Assad, or do they think they have new information?
The UN has adopted a resolution aimed at identifying those behind chemical weapons attacks in Syria.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-338258610 -
Lol Voges and Clarke. I think if you could choose 2 middle order batsmen to have in, these would be them right now.0
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Right, but Cameron and Miliband were the two central figures that most of the public might reasonably have had a view on. The vast majority of the public couldn't put Yvette & Liz's names to their faces at present.Danny565 said:
Actually, I thought the election showed us that polling on personalities WAS very reliable (since Cameron consistently led Miliband on personal ratings while trailing on voting intentions).Tissue_Price said:
As the election showed us, we should stop simply accepting polls as a substitute for political thought..0 -
Two possible answers:AndyJS said:
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'
1) He is the brother of a climate change denier. He may agree with his brother.
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.0 -
Sunday's piece maybe headlined
"Time for Yvette to get her Balls out"0 -
Well indeed.AndyJS said:
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'
I can also really see the hugely dangerous, life shortening jobs down the pit being really popular...
Well, unless we get migrants to do it all...which is what will happen.0 -
New Balls, please!TheScreamingEagles said:Sunday's piece maybe headlined
"Time for Yvette to get her Balls out"0 -
Burnham will be seen as in ransom to the left even more than Miliband. He started off his campaign very New Labour, and has now tacked hard left under threat with Corbyn. The man clearly has very few principles he will stick to.Tissue_Price said:
I completely disagree with your final conclusion. Burnham will be painted into the continuity-Ed corner (only with added NHS deaths!) without much trouble at all. Not sure how Cooper will be painted - continuity Balls, perhaps, but at least that's a change of direction.Danny565 said:
I would agree if it was just one or two polls. But there's been a whole host of polls now which have consistently shown Burnham a fair bit ahead - that has to mean something.Tissue_Price said:
I think that's a very foolish way to decide one's vote. As far as the general public are concerned, Cooper, Burnham & Kendall are all pretty equally blank canvasses. The question is - how will they be painted post-election? And do they have the nous to paint themselves?Danny565 said:
The polls have consistently shown Burnham is more popular than Cooper with the general public.rullko said:Looks like we're heading for re-crossover with Burnham and Corbyn.
I can't fathom why any Labour supporter would want Burnham to win. If you want someone completely bland, why not just go for Cooper, who at least isn't associated with a major hospital scandal?
You're right that both will be blank canvasses to most of the public, but even so, the people who are aware of them surely make up a decent sample size, and there's no reason to think that sample wouldn't be representative of what the whole public would think if/when they become more known.
As the election showed us, we should stop simply accepting polls as a substitute for political thought.
Corbyn / Kendall = won't be able to hold the party together. Doesn't mean Corbyn can't win, of course.
Burnham / Cooper = will both be able to hold the party together. But Burnham has been busy (desperately?) offering hostages to fortune during this campaign and has shown poor judgment in the past (threatening to sue Hunt, for example). Whereas Cooper has been extremely noncommittal and dull - not exciting, but surely the most intelligent approach to leave herself some freedom of manoeuvre if she wins.
Cooper will just be seen as dull.0 -
The miner's sweat produces a unique chemical that, when emitted deep underground, captures thousands of tonnes of CO2 per man-hour and sequesters it underground.AndyJS said:
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'
It's why Miliband committed the government to CCS. He's a genius, you see ...0 -
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.0 -
SK Baker has marked the preliminary route of HS2 (phases 1 and 2) in his new edition of the Rail Atlas of Great Britain and Ireland.Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.0 -
You cannot work out very well then.Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used. 0 -
What does the Venn diagram of those for and against HS2, LHR2 and Boris Island look like ?Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
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Then we should build Death StarsPulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
Infographic of the Day: What does it cost to build the Death Star?
http://www.blastr.com/2015-8-6/infographic-day-what-does-it-cost-build-death-star0 -
No problem at all, he's not suggesting we should burn the coal that taxpayers would pay miners to dig up.AndyJS said:How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?
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She is also a breast cancer survivor.Toms said:Tim_B said "The clear consensus winner, going away, was Carly Fiorina. Afterwards she went on lefty MsNBC with lefty Chris Matthews and took him apart when he attempted to tangle with her over Hillary."
Wow. From what I can see she is formidable. Trump may be richer than she, but only in money.
My concern is that after Trump's misogynistic comments, and him going after Megyn Kelly last night, it doesn't help the GOP's efforts to appeal to women.
Now most of them are now headed my way - oh joy.
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-atlanta-redstate-gathering/0 -
Well, I'm for HS2 (shocked you there!), Boris Island, and reluctantly for LHR2 (although I believe BI to be a more futureproof solution, it looks as though that is a dead duck, therefore we must go with a less-optimal solution that might actually get built).TGOHF said:
What does the Venn diagram of those for and against HS2, LHR2 and Boris Island look like ?Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
Fit that into a Venn diagram.
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That is indeed one of the sillier arguments put forward. But I don't feel they're comparable.Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
HS2 would provide us with valuable extra rail capacity, whether used as HS or not (speaking for myself, I'd rather see the old Great Central line put back as far as possible and just used as a normal main rail line). That would be a good thing, and there is both room and demand for an extra N-S line.
Digging up a lot of black anthracite and dumping it all over the countryside would candidly not be a good thing. It would be dirty, damaging and cause a great deal of unnecessary damage to a great many people, starting with the poor people who had to dig it up.
I'd be willing to listen to a radical socialist with genuine, practical ideas to bring new jobs to depressed ex-coal-mining areas, e.g. the Welsh Valleys. I just haven't heard any put them forward yet.0 -
The old Great Central line would be great reopened. But you have rather a problem with capacity on the last fifty miles or so into London, and problems with everything north of Rugby ...ydoethur said:
That is indeed one of the sillier arguments put forward. But I don't feel they're comparable.Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
HS2 would provide us with valuable extra rail capacity, whether used as HS or not (speaking for myself, I'd rather see the old Great Central line put back as far as possible and just used as a normal main rail line). That would be a good thing, and there is both room and demand for an extra N-S line.
Digging up a lot of black anthracite and dumping it all over the countryside would candidly not be a good thing. It would be dirty, damaging and cause a great deal of unnecessary damage to a great many people, starting with the poor people who had to dig it up.
I'd be willing to listen to a radical socialist with genuine, practical ideas to bring new jobs to depressed ex-coal-mining areas, e.g. the Welsh Valleys. I just haven't heard any put them forward yet.0 -
http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion0 -
A real radical socialist idea would be to move all of the population from ex-mining areas to places of available work - a small sacrifice for the greater good.ydoethur said:Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
I'd be willing to listen to a radical socialist with genuine, practical ideas to bring new jobs to depressed ex-coal-mining areas, e.g. the Welsh Valleys. I just haven't heard any put them forward yet.
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Corbyn's vests are CO2 sinks.JosiasJessop said:
The miner's sweat produces a unique chemical that, when emitted deep underground, captures thousands of tonnes of CO2 per man-hour and sequesters it underground.AndyJS said:
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'
It's why Miliband committed the government to CCS. He's a genius, you see ...0 -
"The Greater Good!"TGOHF said:
A real radical socialist idea would be to move all of the population from ex-mining areas to places of available work - a small sacrifice for the greater good.ydoethur said:Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
I'd be willing to listen to a radical socialist with genuine, practical ideas to bring new jobs to depressed ex-coal-mining areas, e.g. the Welsh Valleys. I just haven't heard any put them forward yet.0 -
You deserve your reward for for casting the win.Sandpit said:
I would be interested, except that I have a BetFair English Cricket Bond, purchased yesterday at 10am for £50 . It also matures today or tomorrow, but at a rate of 3.20TheWhiteRabbit said:I'm launching a new bond.
It's called the "BetFair English Cricket bond".
It has a price of £100, a yield of 1.07, and matures either today or tomorrow.
You can get it from BetFair, I'm just a PR person.
I'm not FCA regulated though.
Edit: There's a million quid just piled into BF down to 1.02
But it is far more extraordinary that overnight you could get 1/10 and 1/6 this morning on a world record not in 138 attempts run chase.0 -
Aylesbury to Leicester a little tricky on the post-Beeching network...JosiasJessop said:
The old Great Central line would be great reopened. But you have rather a problem with capacity on the last fifty miles or so into London, and problems with everything north of Rugby ...ydoethur said:
That is indeed one of the sillier arguments put forward. But I don't feel they're comparable.Pulpstar said:
This is the same rationale being used for HS2 so far as I can work out - but NOT for Heathrow...ydoethur said:
2) He may believe, as I believe Scargill once memorably expressed, that if the coal is dug up, thereby providing employment, it doesn't actually matter if it isn't then used.
HS2 would provide us with valuable extra rail capacity, whether used as HS or not (speaking for myself, I'd rather see the old Great Central line put back as far as possible and just used as a normal main rail line). That would be a good thing, and there is both room and demand for an extra N-S line.
Digging up a lot of black anthracite and dumping it all over the countryside would candidly not be a good thing. It would be dirty, damaging and cause a great deal of unnecessary damage to a great many people, starting with the poor people who had to dig it up.
I'd be willing to listen to a radical socialist with genuine, practical ideas to bring new jobs to depressed ex-coal-mining areas, e.g. the Welsh Valleys. I just haven't heard any put them forward yet.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Eagles, if the right party had won the election we would now have a Death Star in orbit, the laser focused (at very low power, of course) on Calais.0 -
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
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Right - on topic - these are diabolical local election results for Labour. Yes there's no leader in Scotland or UK right now, but still real cause for concern. Could any of the Westminster leadership candidates help turn it around? I was struck by this interview by Angus McNeill from last month where he turns his attention to the plight of the Labour Party before all this Corbynmania business.
'“They got done over on austerity, done over on immigration and they got done over by the SNP,” he says.
But which of Labour’s crop of potential leadership candidates are giving the SNP sleepless nights over potentially regaining disgruntled Scottish voters?
“The one guy we’d feel has the most to sort that, who has got the courage and the vision is… Jeremy Corbyn. But he’s never going to get it, so we don’t fear any of them, as a result of that,” he says.
“You know, not for the SNP, for people of England to have a genuine choice, I’d like to see Jeremy Corbyn win it.”
MacNeil says a “media friendly” choice of leader would be Andy Burnham, who may lead Labour to a lesser defeat in 2020. However, the SNP MP is resolute in his conclusion that all candidates bar Corbyn will repeat the failure of the previous Labour leadership.'
http://www.totalpolitics.com/features/450491/angus-macneil-and39theres-no-chance-of-groupthink-in-the-snpand39.thtml
Obviously since this interview was taken Corbyn's chances have sky-rocketed. Could he provide the challenge to the SNP or would the media friendly Andy Burnham be better suited?
It seems to me that the leadership candidates have largely ignored Scotland for most of this election but tackling the SNP is a bit of a 'six-pointer'. The stronger they are north of the border, the greater the threat they are to English voters who fear they'll make or break a Labour government. Is Jeremy Corbyn and English phenomenon or can he cause the SNP some difficulties as McNeill hints he could?0 -
About the same as LHR3 or less ?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?0 -
I think it's only actually cut in a couple of places at Leicester and Nottingham, plus one viaduct missing. That would be a lot cheaper and more efficient to bypass than building a whole new line. Of course, someone would need to buy out the Great Central preserved line, but that's hardly the end of the world - they'd probably accept the rebuilding of another closed line nearby in exchange.JosiasJessop said:
The old Great Central line would be great reopened. But you have rather a problem with capacity on the last fifty miles or so into London, and problems with everything north of Rugby ...
I wouldn't have said the line south from Aylesbury was that well used - I'm sure you could convert one of the half-hourly off-peak trains into a through express from the north. After all, if the Wrexham and Shropshire could run over the busier line from Banbury in the early morning, why not another company via Aylesbury?
Not easy, not cheap. But much easier and cheaper than HS2, so I think it would be an attractive option and I am genuinely surprised it's not mentioned more.0 -
I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm covering Diane Abbott for the candidacy. Albeit at the nice cheap price of 25/1 (the 36/1 available on the mayoralty is deeply unattractive by comparison).0 -
Death Stars are rubbish.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Eagles, if the right party had won the election we would now have a Death Star in orbit, the laser focused (at very low power, of course) on Calais.
Plus the Nats would declare UDI if we built a Death Star.
I mean they get upset about Trident, just imagine what they'd be like if we had a planet destroyer.0 -
Scotland is going to remain a wasteland for the Labour party for some time to come if this weeks' locals are anything to go by.Labour needs to show some sort of recovery by 2020 in Scotland.Next year could be the doldrums for Labour in Scotland.After that,I would rely on Mr Micawber.0
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Mr. Eagles, just as well there isn't a country called Natland then.0
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Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
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I was speaking to some Americans recently, and I was surprised at how much women's health issues pushed even fairly conservative women towards the Democrats. When Republicans put up people who oppose abortion even in cases of rape for president, that's the inevitable effect, I guess.Tim_B said:
She is also a breast cancer survivor.Toms said:Tim_B said "The clear consensus winner, going away, was Carly Fiorina. Afterwards she went on lefty MsNBC with lefty Chris Matthews and took him apart when he attempted to tangle with her over Hillary."
Wow. From what I can see she is formidable. Trump may be richer than she, but only in money.
My concern is that after Trump's misogynistic comments, and him going after Megyn Kelly last night, it doesn't help the GOP's efforts to appeal to women.
Now most of them are now headed my way - oh joy.
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/08/06/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-atlanta-redstate-gathering/0 -
My betting strategy on cricket is that the odds will usually over compensate for what is happening as the match progresses. Luckily this match I got it right first time - there was no way that that Australia deserved to be odds on before the game started, so I backed England and laid the draw intending to get on Aus at longer odds later. And boy, were those longer odds there this morning!!!TheWhiteRabbit said:
You deserve your reward for for casting the win.Sandpit said:
I would be interested, except that I have a BetFair English Cricket Bond, purchased yesterday at 10am for £50 . It also matures today or tomorrow, but at a rate of 3.20TheWhiteRabbit said:I'm launching a new bond.
It's called the "BetFair English Cricket bond".
It has a price of £100, a yield of 1.07, and matures either today or tomorrow.
You can get it from BetFair, I'm just a PR person.
I'm not FCA regulated though.
Edit: There's a million quid just piled into BF down to 1.02
But it is far more extraordinary that overnight you could get 1/10 and 1/6 this morning on a world record not in 138 attempts run chase.0 -
I think Rabbit is right - the main story is that Jowell is retaining a solid lead. The Mayor selection is not sufficiently ideological for there to be a solid bloc switch of votes from Abbott to Khan.Richard_Nabavi said:
That might not be the right conclusion. Jowell may well be out in front on first preferences, but the latest move towards Diane Abbott (assuming it's real and is representative of the wider electorate in this contest) could mean that Khan will win this on second prefs.TheWhiteRabbit said:The long and the short of it is Jowell is still out in front, and Khan has seemingly missed an opportunity to reel her in with six weeks to go.
It's also a mistake to think that the Labour leadership voters are neatly-transferable blocs. My impression is that lots of people are deciding latter preferences on a basis of personal liking.
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Is Corbyn offering to work a few shifts every week? Otherwise it's silly, patronising nonsense.Slackbladder said:
Well indeed.AndyJS said:
How can someone be pro-clean energy and also want to open the coal mines?Slackbladder said:Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'
I can also really see the hugely dangerous, life shortening jobs down the pit being really popular...
Well, unless we get migrants to do it all...which is what will happen.
"C'mon poor working class types, get yourselves underground to keep the Islington Lefties happy".
Would any of the old miners want to go back down the pits? I doubt it. They'd be much happier to see jobs created above ground, in clean and safe conditions.
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Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?0 -
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
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Hmm - snap... sort of...TheWhiteRabbit said:I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm covering Diane Abbott for the candidacy. Albeit at the nice cheap price of 25/1 (the 36/1 available on the mayoralty is deeply unattractive by comparison).
Back (Bet For)
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I tell you what, Australia really know how to do a spectacular collapse. Back in the day an England batting collapse was just a bit of a monotonous chore. the Aussies seem to have a bit of panache about their amazing throwing away of wickets.0
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No! No more toll roads! Not if they are as ineptly run as the M6 Toll, which has managed to nearly bankrupt itself despite competing against what feels like the world's longest traffic jam.Tim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
If the M6 Toll ceased to charge a toll tonight, almost all the traffic problems in the West Midlands would disappear tomorrow. If they cut it to £2 per car, they would make a fortune by Christmas. As it is, there is more than a suspicion that if the M6 Toll/M54 link goes ahead - which they would have to fund 50% of - they will call in the receivers.
When you think of all the trouble, time, money and controversy that went into building it - well, 'disaster' doesn't do it justice.0 -
Then the toll is too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?0 -
You're kidding?Slackbladder said:
Apparently corbyn has suggested re-opening the coal mines.
Has he, in the words of the immortal Tropic Thunder, gone 'full re****?'0 -
You were warned not to invst in the seemingly high yield 'Australia bond' !Alistair said:I tell you what, Australia really know how to do a spectacular collapse. Back in the day an England batting collapse was just a bit of a monotonous chore. the Aussies seem to have a bit of panache about their amazing throwing away of wickets.
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We have been saying that for years, Tim. In fact, everyone with a brain has been saying that for years. Unfortunately, the company behind it are so bad at business that they don't understand when you have a free alternative, you shouldn't charge £5.40 for people to make a longer journey.Tim_B said:
Then the toll is too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
I suspect, if an enquiry was held, it would be found to be run by an accountant or a banker who only understood the headline number, not the question of elasticity of demand, quality or product or pricing of the competition.0 -
Miss Plato, you couldn't be surprised. Comrade Corbyn needs somewhere for the bourgeois consigned to the gulags to labour in penitence for their classist elitism.0
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M6 Toll was great when it first opened - 2 quid a car, no lorries and no coppers - effective speed was about 100 and no queue through the roadworks, as they rebuilt that 1960s viaduct on the old road through the city.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
I think it was a fiver the last time I went on it, and the local camera van was hiding round a corner ready to get you for speeding on the empty road. Cut the price for cars (but not lorries) and up the speed limit to make it popular again.0 -
It's something I'd like to see, but it's not going to happen. Going north:ydoethur said:
I think it's only actually cut in a couple of places at Leicester and Nottingham, plus one viaduct missing. That would be a lot cheaper and more efficient to bypass than building a whole new line. Of course, someone would need to buy out the Great Central preserved line, but that's hardly the end of the world - they'd probably accept the rebuilding of another closed line nearby in exchange.JosiasJessop said:
The old Great Central line would be great reopened. But you have rather a problem with capacity on the last fifty miles or so into London, and problems with everything north of Rugby ...
I wouldn't have said the line south from Aylesbury was that well used - I'm sure you could convert one of the half-hourly off-peak trains into a through express from the north. After all, if the Wrexham and Shropshire could run over the busier line from Banbury in the early morning, why not another company via Aylesbury?
Not easy, not cheap. But much easier and cheaper than HS2, so I think it would be an attractive option and I am genuinely surprised it's not mentioned more.
*) The line in Leicester is totally built over - there are few pieces of the original line available.
*) The line between Leicester and Ruddington (south of Nottingham) is now a preserved line
*) The route through Nottingham is now very built over, including recent developments.
*) The line between Nottingham and Sheffield is not particularly clear.
*) Where do you go from Sheffield? The Woodhead route to Manchester? How do you get to Leeds?
You could do it, perhaps by tunnelling under Leicester and Nottingham, at great cost.
As for the line into Mareylebone: it's fairly busy atm. Sunil could probably tell us more.
So you would not get much more capacity at great cost and disruption.0 -
a final reminder before the "fun" kicks off tomorrow...
I've set up a Political Betting league on the free fantasy league game from the premier league.
http://fantasy.premierleague.com/
The code to join this private league is 1336513-316355
You can join up anonymously if you wish by choosing first and second names as I did - scrap and heap...0 -
Mr. Scrapheap, sounds like a good idea. Must admit I'm not that into football, though. 200mph too slow.0
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Sorry, failed to italicise my earlier post - I have not even so much as wafted a 1 pence peice at the Aussies. Their price was beyond ludicrously low and shows that the idea that markets are 'rational' to be complete bollocks.Pulpstar said:
You were warned not to invst in the seemingly high yield 'Australia bond' !Alistair said:I tell you what, Australia really know how to do a spectacular collapse. Back in the day an England batting collapse was just a bit of a monotonous chore. the Aussies seem to have a bit of panache about their amazing throwing away of wickets.
Also I can't bet at work as gambling websites are blocked which is a complete arse when people post red hot tips mid day.0 -
I remember some years ago crossing the Severn Bridge on the M4 and being charged a ludicrous amount, 5 pounds if I remember correctly.ydoethur said:
We have been saying that for years, Tim. In fact, everyone with a brain has been saying that for years. Unfortunately, the company behind it are so bad at business that they don't understand when you have a free alternative, you shouldn't charge £5.40 for people to make a longer journey.Tim_B said:
Then the toll is too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
I suspect, if an enquiry was held, it would be found to be run by an accountant or a banker who only understood the headline number, not the question of elasticity of demand, quality or product or pricing of the competition.
By contrast here we had a toll road - Highway 400 - which had a toll booth. The toll was $0.50. Now the road is paid for the toll booth is gone.
I remember the M6 traffic - people will pay a pound or two for convenience or to save time.0 -
The only time I used the M6 toll was when it was snowing and the idea of going the free way in the snow with frikin lunatics doing 70 on whited-out lanes was too terrifying.Sandpit said:
M6 Toll was great when it first opened - 2 quid a car, no lorries and no coppers - effective speed was about 100 and no queue through the roadworks, as they rebuilt that 1960s viaduct on the old road through the city.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
I think it was a fiver the last time I went on it, and the local camera van was hiding round a corner ready to get you for speeding on the empty road. Cut the price for cars and up the speed limit to make it popular again.
It was an eerie experience as traffic density and visibility was low enough that we seemed to be the only vehicle on the road.0 -
That's on the mayoralty?Pulpstar said:
Hmm - snap... sort of...TheWhiteRabbit said:I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm covering Diane Abbott for the candidacy. Albeit at the nice cheap price of 25/1 (the 36/1 available on the mayoralty is deeply unattractive by comparison).
Back (Bet For)
Odds
Stake
Profit
Diane Abbott 64.98 £6.00
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Yep - not quite as good as the 68pence I have no Lammy to win it returning over 600 quid, just odds and sods covers for Jowell and Khan cover tbh which are my main bets (And Zac ofc)TheWhiteRabbit said:
That's on the mayoralty?Pulpstar said:
Hmm - snap... sort of...TheWhiteRabbit said:I can't believe I'm doing this.
I'm covering Diane Abbott for the candidacy. Albeit at the nice cheap price of 25/1 (the 36/1 available on the mayoralty is deeply unattractive by comparison).
Back (Bet For)
Odds
Stake
Profit
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I take both points, but I was mainly commenting on the apparent movement in the LabourList poll, compared with the previous one. Of course these are voodoo polls and don't even pretend to be representative of the actual electorate, so I'm not suggesting we should take them too literally.NickPalmer said:I think Rabbit is right - the main story is that Jowell is retaining a solid lead. The Mayor selection is not sufficiently ideological for there to be a solid bloc switch of votes from Abbott to Khan.
It's also a mistake to think that the Labour leadership voters are neatly-transferable blocs. My impression is that lots of people are deciding latter preferences on a basis of personal liking.
More generally, many new members, and more importantly £3 supporters, are joining the party, and that phenomenon seems to be tied to Jeremy Corbyn. Those are not traditional-style party members, so you might not have much contact with them. Nor do we have any real polling data on them as regards the mayoral selection. My hunch is that they are less likely, on average, to be Jowell supporters than the more established Labour party members.
In betting terms, I'd be cautious, therefore, of going too deep on Jowell.0 -
Worse, they try to price lorries off the toll road and onto the M6, as per vehicle lorries cause much more damage to the road. This increases maintenance on the M6.ydoethur said:
We have been saying that for years, Tim. In fact, everyone with a brain has been saying that for years. Unfortunately, the company behind it are so bad at business that they don't understand when you have a free alternative, you shouldn't charge £5.40 for people to make a longer journey.Tim_B said:
Then the toll is too high.Sunil_Prasannan said:
M6 Toll is far less used than the older M6 in the West MidlandsTim_B said:
Make it a toll road?ydoethur said:
Depends on the size of the road and the quality of the build, surely? I would have thought that it would be more expensive to build a six-lane motorway than a twin-track main railway line (although if somebody has the figures to show different I'm happy to be corrected).Tim_B said:
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build roads?Sandpit said:
Wow, but didn't it cost something like 10bn to half upgrade the WCML a few years back?Pulpstar said:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/economic-affairs-committee/news/eac-hs2-press-release/
The report suggests that the huge public subsidy to HS2, an estimated net £31.5 billion
Given that the current network is over capacity and they need to open up more lines from London, does anyone know what would it cost for a non-HS line to be built instead?
I suspect, if an enquiry was held, it would be found to be run by an accountant or a banker who only understood the headline number, not the question of elasticity of demand, quality or product or pricing of the competition.0 -
I'm happy stick with my current Jowell/Khan equal win.Richard_Nabavi said:
I take both points, but I was mainly commenting on the apparent movement in the LabourList poll, compared with the previous one. Of course these are voodoo polls and don't even pretend to be representative of the actual electorate, so I'm not suggesting we should take them too literally.NickPalmer said:I think Rabbit is right - the main story is that Jowell is retaining a solid lead. The Mayor selection is not sufficiently ideological for there to be a solid bloc switch of votes from Abbott to Khan.
It's also a mistake to think that the Labour leadership voters are neatly-transferable blocs. My impression is that lots of people are deciding latter preferences on a basis of personal liking.
More generally, many new members, and more importantly £3 supporters, are joining the party, and that phenomenon seems to be tied to Jeremy Corbyn. Those are not traditional-style party members, so you might not have much contact with them. Nor do we have any real polling data on them as regards the mayoral selection. My hunch is that they are less likely, on average, to be Jowell supporters than the more established Labour party members.
In betting terms, I'd be cautious, therefore, of going too deep on Jowell.
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I think the Provisional IRA have already laid claim to the PIRA acronym...Lennon said:
Technically the Pirate Candidate (Not convinced by the PIRA acronym, more usually I've seen PRTE) got 13 votes not 12.Max_Edinburgh said:Just a small point but the Hamilton South figures are showing as being identical to the Anderston numbers. I think the correct result is as follows:
SNP - 1881
LAB - 1396
CON - 349
GRN - 127
CHR - 77
UKIP - 43
LDEM - 32
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The toll is currently £6.50 for cars, charged only one way (going into Wales) on both bridges. THere are constant campaigns to get it abolished.Tim_B said:
I remember some years ago crossing the Severn Bridge on the M4 and being charged a ludicrous amount, 5 pounds if I remember correctly.
By contrast here we had a toll road - Highway 400 - which had a toll booth. The toll was $0.50. Now the road is paid for the toll booth is gone.
I remember the M6 traffic - people will pay a pound or two for convenience or to save time.
On the other hand, the only realistic ways to avoid it are (1) up the A48 via Gloucester, round Walham Causeway and back down the M5, which is not really suitable for heavy traffic and is in any case about a 40 mile detour; (2) the A449, M50, M5, which is considerably longer (when the M50 was narrowed for roadworks, traffic from Tewkesbury to Ross was officially diverted via the Severn Bridge - I would be interested to know how busy the A40 was)!
So £6.50 is explicable, if it's not cheap it's cheaper than the alternatives. The M6 Toll is most certainly not.0 -
I saw him actually say "bourgeois" the other day - it was beyond parody.Morris_Dancer said:
Miss Plato, you couldn't be surprised. Comrade Corbyn needs somewhere for the bourgeois consigned to the gulags to labour in penitence for their classist elitism.
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Why on earth would anyone use the toll road if it wasn't much quieter than the free alternative? Surely the point is for it to be quiet.0
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Miss Plato, beg to differ, I just parodied it!
[I didn't know the Comrade had said that].0 -
Could someone help with my maths?
If a candidate is 3 for the candidacy and 2 their party wins the contest, then they should be 6 for the contest personally right?
So if Abbott is 65 for the race, and 25 for the candidacy, then are there implied odds of 2.6 on her to win the race given the candidacy?0 -
YepTheWhiteRabbit said:Could someone help with my maths?
If a candidate is 3 for the candidacy and 2 their party wins the contest, then they should be 6 for the contest personally right?
So if Abbott is 65 for the race, and 25 for the candidacy, then are there implied odds of 2.6 on her to win the race given the candidacy?0 -
Yep !TheWhiteRabbit said:Could someone help with my maths?
If a candidate is 3 for the candidacy and 2 their party wins the contest, then they should be 6 for the contest personally right?
So if Abbott is 65 for the race, and 25 for the candidacy, then are there implied odds of 2.6 on her to win the race given the candidacy?
She still has the "Labour" tag was my calculation. Plus might be able to lay her properly on Betfair which you can't do with a traditional bookies.0 -
One of the first acts of the SNP Government was the abolition of all bridge tolls in Scotland. Very popular then and now.ydoethur said:
The toll is currently £6.50 for cars, charged only one way (going into Wales) on both bridges. THere are constant campaigns to get it abolished.Tim_B said:
I remember some years ago crossing the Severn Bridge on the M4 and being charged a ludicrous amount, 5 pounds if I remember correctly.
By contrast here we had a toll road - Highway 400 - which had a toll booth. The toll was $0.50. Now the road is paid for the toll booth is gone.
I remember the M6 traffic - people will pay a pound or two for convenience or to save time.
On the other hand, the only realistic ways to avoid it are (1) up the A48 via Gloucester, round Walham Causeway and back down the M5, which is not really suitable for heavy traffic and is in any case about a 40 mile detour; (2) the A449, M50, M5, which is considerably longer (when the M50 was narrowed for roadworks, traffic from Tewkesbury to Ross was officially diverted via the Severn Bridge - I would be interested to know how busy the A40 was)!
So £6.50 is explicable, if it's not cheap it's cheaper than the alternatives. The M6 Toll is most certainly not.0 -
Oh dear - Donald Trump tweeted overnight after the debate, saying that the real debate loser was Megyn Kelly, and calling her a bimbo.
More proof people need to think before pressing 'send'.0 -
As I recall, the real boil that needed lancing was the exorbitant toll on the new Skye road bridge - which was the only way somebody could get off the island short of taking an enormous (and very expensive) detour via either Mallaig or Stornoway and Ullapool. It was always stupid to charge a toll on that one.Dair said:
First act of the SNP was the abolition of all bridge tolls in Scotland. Very popular then and now.0 -
Donald Trump has never exactly been noted for his sense, has he?Tim_B said:Oh dear - Donald Trump tweeted overnight after the debate, saying that the real debate loser was Megyn Kelly, and calling her a bimbo.
More proof people need to think before pressing 'send'.
A bit like Michael Clarke's batting/captaincy in this series...0 -
The slip cordon juggling competition ends with Bell taking the catch and Clarke has the long walk back to the pavillion...0
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ydoethur said:
Donald Trump has never exactly been noted for his sense, has he?Tim_B said:Oh dear - Donald Trump tweeted overnight after the debate, saying that the real debate loser was Megyn Kelly, and calling her a bimbo.
More proof people need to think before pressing 'send'.
A bit like Michael Clarke's batting/captaincy in this series...
Ashes stats: London tube drivers currently have a greater strike rate than Michael Clarke...0
