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I suspect the cause of the difference is that older men and women are often married to each other, so might sympathise with their points of view a bit more.FalseFlag said:
If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.HYUFD said:
Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groupsSean_F said:
It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.HYUFD said:
Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.TCPoliticalBetting said:Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?
antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."
It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.
According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/
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"Son of Tory MP and Boris Johnson's former deputy is beaten unconscious by girl gang in KFC in Leicester Square "
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/mps-son-attacked-in-queue-of-leicester-square-kfc-by-girl-gang-10380204.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3156278/Son-Boris-Johnson-s-former-deputy-turned-Tory-MP-beaten-unconscious-girl-gang-KFC.html0 -
An insane policy if this comes to passMarkHopkins said:JEO said:David Cameron has united the tech world against the stupidity of the encryption ban:
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/cameron_s_encryption_ban_will_destroy_the_internet/1
It is indeed a truly stupid suggestion.
I realise Cameron doesn't understand the tech himself, but he's been badly advised on this one.
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My 50th anniversary edition of The Avengers has arrived today, shipped from Amazon UK's facility in Dunfermline on Monday. Weighs about 5lbs, and amazon charged me 3.08 pounds for shipping - what a deal
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Almost worthy of Ed Miliband that particular piece of nonsense.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
An insane policy if this comes to passMarkHopkins said:JEO said:David Cameron has united the tech world against the stupidity of the encryption ban:
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/cameron_s_encryption_ban_will_destroy_the_internet/1
It is indeed a truly stupid suggestion.
I realise Cameron doesn't understand the tech himself, but he's been badly advised on this one.0 -
It makes me suspect that this is a piece of media management.Pulpstar said:
Almost worthy of Ed Miliband that particular piece of nonsense.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
An insane policy if this comes to passMarkHopkins said:JEO said:David Cameron has united the tech world against the stupidity of the encryption ban:
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/cameron_s_encryption_ban_will_destroy_the_internet/1
It is indeed a truly stupid suggestion.
I realise Cameron doesn't understand the tech himself, but he's been badly advised on this one.
1. Come out with an insane policy that everyone can easily object too.
2. The actual (a bit milder) policy that comes out later gets ignored as the media circus has moved on by then.
3. Everybody carries on as before.
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Maybe, but probably not if they work in the public sector. In the US married women tend to be the classic 'Soccer Mom' swing voters Bill Clinton was so good at winning who then switched to Dubya and Obama (at least in 2008)FalseFlag said:
If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.HYUFD said:
Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groupsSean_F said:
It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.HYUFD said:
Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.TCPoliticalBetting said:Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?
antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."
It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.
According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/0 -
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:0 -
Hostility to the entire idea of marriage and children is probably what makes a lot of them Left.FalseFlag said:
If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.HYUFD said:
Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groupsSean_F said:
It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.HYUFD said:
Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.TCPoliticalBetting said:Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?
antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."
It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.
According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/0 -
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:0 -
Do my eyes deceive me, or did that read "soccer mum" a few minutes ago?HYUFD said:
Maybe, but probably not if they work in the public sector. In the US married women tend to be the classic 'Soccer Mom' swing voters Bill Clinton was so good at winning who then switched to Dubya and Obama (at least in 2008)FalseFlag said:
If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.HYUFD said:
Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groupsSean_F said:
It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.HYUFD said:
Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.TCPoliticalBetting said:Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?
antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."
It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.
According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/ 0 -
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
My daughter keeps telling me not to piss her off as she's the one who'll decide what home I end up in.nigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table. 0 -
Even some former Shadow Chancellors end up as househusbands!JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.0 -
I believe the Americans spell it differently!Tim_B said:
Do my eyes deceive me, or did that read "soccer mum" a few minutes ago?HYUFD said:
Maybe, but probably not if they work in the public sector. In the US married women tend to be the classic 'Soccer Mom' swing voters Bill Clinton was so good at winning who then switched to Dubya and Obama (at least in 2008)FalseFlag said:
If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.HYUFD said:
Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groupsSean_F said:
It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.HYUFD said:
Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.TCPoliticalBetting said:Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?
antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."
It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.
According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/0 -
Prince Philip?JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table. 0 -
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:0 -
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
In the US there is also a marriage gap amongst men.
http://isteve.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/the-economist-finally-discovers.html?m=1
http://isteve.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/obama-v-romney-demographics-draw-your.html?m=10 -
He was a trendsetter. Or given today's news, should that be a fu***ng trendsetter?Tim_B said:
Prince Philip?JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.
(ISTR he had a very promising naval career ahead of him, which he gave up when he marries Lizzie. Or at least a more promising naval career than his eldest son's).0 -
It only really counts if they're looking after the kids from when they're babies. If they're at school they've missed the hard bits (or at least what I presume are the hard bits - they're most certainly the messy bits).HYUFD said:
Even some former Shadow Chancellors end up as househusbands!JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.
Besides, any sign of a nanny and they're not really doing the job ...0 -
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.0 -
I think Prince Philip was a great father. Like Randyll Tarly.Tim_B said:
Prince Philip?JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.
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'Was'?Sean_F said:
I think Prince Philip was a great father. Like Randyll Tarly.Tim_B said:
Prince Philip?JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.
His asshole is still perpendicular, unless I've missed the announcement.....0 -
This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.htmlDanny565 said:Labour CLP nominations update:
Burnham - 38
Corbyn - 28
Cooper - 24
Kendall - 5
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/which-clps-are-nominating-who-labour-leadership-contest
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.0 -
By the way, as someone coming to this very late can I just add that this is a superb and revealing analysis by antifrank. The gap between the make up of the PLP and modern Britain seems destined to grow wider yet.0
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True, though I am afraid I have no great expertise on the Balls-Cooper household arrangementsJosiasJessop said:
It only really counts if they're looking after the kids from when they're babies. If they're at school they've missed the hard bits (or at least what I presume are the hard bits - they're most certainly the messy bits).HYUFD said:
Even some former Shadow Chancellors end up as househusbands!JosiasJessop said:
Only women can do parenting. Dads have nothing to do with it.SandyRentool said:How many of the new Labour intake are mums? Isn't that the essential experience to be a prominent politician these days?
After all, it's not as if any men ever chuck in their jobs to look after the kid (s) whilst their wives put bread on the table.
Besides, any sign of a nanny and they're not really doing the job ...0 -
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
Pro wrestlers often find their bodies breakdown before the age of 40 too due to their rampant use of PEDs.Tim_B said:
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.0 -
Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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It's not just buses coming, let's not forget the silent assassins - the Nissan Leaf and the Tesla.nigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
Indeed, looks like Jack will keep his record then, you were lucky to be there for the win, one of the great sporting moments!Tim_B said:
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.0 -
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said: 0 -
Tiger is certainly rampant...FalseFlag said:
Pro wrestlers often find their bodies breakdown before the age of 40 too due to their rampant use of PEDs.Tim_B said:
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.0 -
A north London jew with adenoidal speech?Sunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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The CLP nominations were a reasonably good guide last time; David Miliband narrowly got more nominations.DavidL said:
This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.htmlDanny565 said:Labour CLP nominations update:
Burnham - 38
Corbyn - 28
Cooper - 24
Kendall - 5
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/which-clps-are-nominating-who-labour-leadership-contest
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
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No, a Loser!Tim_B said:
A north London jew with adenoidal speech?Sunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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Glad you are OK - hope you are feeling fit. However, what caused the torn retina? I'm not being funny (and I'm not knowledgeable) I know of somebody who had a detached retina and then a few days later he died of a stroke like collapse.nigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!0 -
That's hardly news - he had the misfortune to come along when there were a couple of dominant players.Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, a Loser!Tim_B said:
A north London jew with adenoidal speech?Sunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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Blimey, thanks for the reassurance!Flightpathl said:
Glad you are OK - hope you are feeling fit. However, what caused the torn retina? I'm not being funny (and I'm not knowledgeable) I know of somebody who had a detached retina and then a few days later he died of a stroke like collapse.nigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!
They don't know what causes it but I suspect it happened a few months ago, I've had blurred vision and flashing lights for a while now, for a time I thought I was back in my old local!0 -
Interesting. Did it stay close down the order, eg did Balls and Burnham get very few?Danny565 said:
The CLP nominations were a reasonably good guide last time; David Miliband narrowly got more nominations.DavidL said:
This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.htmlDanny565 said:Labour CLP nominations update:
Burnham - 38
Corbyn - 28
Cooper - 24
Kendall - 5
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/07/which-clps-are-nominating-who-labour-leadership-contest
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.0 -
It's clearly not a strong indicator, but it is an indicator of sorts and we don't have much in the way of better information. I think one can draw two tentative conclusions:DavidL said:This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.html
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
1. Liz is toast
2. Jeremy is going to do surprisingly well.0 -
Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's clearly not a strong indicator, but it is an indicator of sorts and we don't have much in the way of better information. I think one can draw two tentative conclusions:DavidL said:This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.html
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
1. Liz is toast
2. Jeremy is going to do surprisingly well.0 -
Well you still have a few years left to win the Masters then Sunil, better get down the driving range!Sunil_Prasannan said:
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:0 -
Agreed.antifrank said:Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.
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Well hope the treatment has helped anywaynigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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Not wishing to cause you a panic, FWIW I get a bit of blurred vision every now and again in one eye - your comment immediately makes me think that if it happens again I might actually go to the doctors. The 2 incidents for my acquaintance may be probably were just coincidence, but it makes me think.nigel4england said:
Blimey, thanks for the reassurance!Flightpathl said:
Glad you are OK - hope you are feeling fit. However, what caused the torn retina? I'm not being funny (and I'm not knowledgeable) I know of somebody who had a detached retina and then a few days later he died of a stroke like collapse.nigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!
They don't know what causes it but I suspect it happened a few months ago, I've had blurred vision and flashing lights for a while now, for a time I thought I was back in my old local!
My wife BTW at one time came very close to going blind due to acute (?) glaucoma. She needed laser treatment to drill little holes to relieve the pressure behind her eye. It was scary at the time.0 -
Difficult to know why Labour are going to land up with Burnham.. Whatever "Henry G" might say... Yvette isn't the answer but then neither is anyone in the Labour Party.Richard_Nabavi said:
Agreed.antifrank said:Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.
Which Labour MP currently not in the running has any form of gravitas. I am struggling to think of anyone.0 -
Thanks again, I have to go back in a week or so and will find out then.HYUFD said:
Well hope the treatment has helped anywaynigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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Hard to argue with either of these conclusions. Shame about Liz but she has not made anything like the breakthrough that she needed to given her poorer name recognition.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's clearly not a strong indicator, but it is an indicator of sorts and we don't have much in the way of better information. I think one can draw two tentative conclusions:DavidL said:This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.html
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
1. Liz is toast
2. Jeremy is going to do surprisingly well.0 -
HYUFD except that Golf is perhaps the only sport more boring than Test CricketHYUFD said:
Well you still have a few years left to win the Masters then Sunil, better get down the driving range!Sunil_Prasannan said:
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said: 0 -
Except Andy Murray is world class because he has won grand slams before and probably will again.Sunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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I've watched every ball of this Test, though I will miss some of tomorrow's play.Sunil_Prasannan said:
HYUFD except that Golf is perhaps the only sport more boring than Test CricketHYUFD said:
Well you still have a few years left to win the Masters then Sunil, better get down the driving range!Sunil_Prasannan said:
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
Test cricket is the best sport in the world.0 -
In answer to DavidL's question of how good a predictor the CLP nominations were last time for the whole field, the answer is: not bad
Diane Abbott — 20
Ed Balls — 17
Andy Burnham — 44
David Miliband — 164
Ed Miliband — 151
http://labourlist.org/2010/06/clp-nominations/
Note however that Balls ended up doing a lot better, and Burnham rather worse, amongst members than that would indicate.
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AMWNBPMSunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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James Purnell would have been ideal.SquareRoot said:
Difficult to know why Labour are going to land up with Burnham.. Whatever "Henry G" might say... Yvette isn't the answer but then neither is anyone in the Labour Party.Richard_Nabavi said:
Agreed.antifrank said:Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.
Which Labour MP currently not in the running has any form of gravitas. I am struggling to think of anyone.0 -
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Just to reiterate what everyone else has said (bad experience of eye diseases in my family too): all the best nigel. And take care of yourself - going to the doc is like going to the bog, when you've got to go, you've got to go, or things get messy :-)0
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The first time I met him was in the men's room at the clubhouse!HYUFD said:
Indeed, looks like Jack will keep his record then, you were lucky to be there for the win, one of the great sporting moments!Tim_B said:
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.
If Tiger can put four good rounds together at the right time (and the Greenbrier doesn't count because it's an easy course with lots of rain), he might well win another major.
I don't think he has a cat in hell's chance of winning four.
The door is closing for Tiger.0 -
Thanks, I will.MyBurningEars said:Just to reiterate what everyone else has said (bad experience of eye diseases in my family too): all the best nigel. And take care of yourself - going to the doc is like going to the bog, when you've got to go, you've got to go, or things get messy :-)
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Thanks for that. Better than I expected tbh.Richard_Nabavi said:In answer to DavidL's question of how good a predictor the CLP nominations were last time for the whole field, the answer is: not bad
Diane Abbott — 20
Ed Balls — 17
Andy Burnham — 44
David Miliband — 164
Ed Miliband — 151
http://labourlist.org/2010/06/clp-nominations/
Note however that Balls ended up doing a lot better, and Burnham rather worse, amongst members than that would indicate.0 -
Your analysis would seem to indicate that she is applying for the wrong job in the wrong party on the wrong planet.antifrank said:
Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's clearly not a strong indicator, but it is an indicator of sorts and we don't have much in the way of better information. I think one can draw two tentative conclusions:DavidL said:This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.html
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
1. Liz is toast
2. Jeremy is going to do surprisingly well.0 -
Gravitas is overrated, Brown had more gravitas than Blair, Howard and Davis than Cameron, charisma and likeability is more important in party leadersSquareRoot said:
Difficult to know why Labour are going to land up with Burnham.. Whatever "Henry G" might say... Yvette isn't the answer but then neither is anyone in the Labour Party.Richard_Nabavi said:
Agreed.antifrank said:Laying Liz Kendall looks clear cut at anything close to current prices.
Which Labour MP currently not in the running has any form of gravitas. I am struggling to think of anyone.0 -
Well, all the best and touch wood it all went OKnigel4england said:
Thanks again, I have to go back in a week or so and will find out then.HYUFD said:
Well hope the treatment has helped anywaynigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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All depends on the context, Faldo's defeat of Norman at the 1996 Masters was very dramatic, as was the 2005 Ashes seriesSunil_Prasannan said:
HYUFD except that Golf is perhaps the only sport more boring than Test CricketHYUFD said:
Well you still have a few years left to win the Masters then Sunil, better get down the driving range!Sunil_Prasannan said:
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:0 -
Well even champions have to go to the bathroom I suppose! I agree he may win one or 2 more Majors but his best days are well behind himTim_B said:
The first time I met him was in the men's room at the clubhouse!HYUFD said:
Indeed, looks like Jack will keep his record then, you were lucky to be there for the win, one of the great sporting moments!Tim_B said:
Tiger has had laser eye surgery twice, four operations on his left knee, a broken left leg - not to mention chronic back ailments, achilles tendon problems, and so on. Neither his left leg or his back are - or will probably ever will be - 100%.HYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
In calendar years he may be 40, but thanks to his violent and strenuous golf swing, his leg and back are much older than 40.
Incidentally I was there for Jack's 1986 Masters win - it was my first year on the scoring committee. It was absolute magic.
If Tiger can put four good rounds together at the right time (and the Greenbrier doesn't count because it's an easy course with lots of rain), he might well win another major.
I don't think he has a cat in hell's chance of winning four.
The door is closing for Tiger.0 -
Though Andy has won Wimbledon and the US Open, Ed has yet to win a general election!MarqueeMark said:
AMWNBPMSunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
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Watching BBC World News with Laura Trevelyan. She is standing near a desk, holding the ubiquitous BBC sheaf of papers. The camera pulls back, and there is a microphone lead coming out of the bottom of her dress and trailing along the floor. Really? Haven't they heard of cordless? Laura is married to the head of ABC News, so she could probably chip in a bit.
Why do they have these people standing and wandering around in front of huge flat screens and holding papers they never look at?
Why can't they just sit behind a desk like anyone else? It just looks odd.0 -
At the moment based on CLP nominations it looks like Burnham will win, Kendall will come last and it is between Corbyn and Cooper for secondRichard_Nabavi said:In answer to DavidL's question of how good a predictor the CLP nominations were last time for the whole field, the answer is: not bad
Diane Abbott — 20
Ed Balls — 17
Andy Burnham — 44
David Miliband — 164
Ed Miliband — 151
http://labourlist.org/2010/06/clp-nominations/
Note however that Balls ended up doing a lot better, and Burnham rather worse, amongst members than that would indicate.0 -
That's because tennis is a racketHYUFD said:
Though Andy has won Wimbledon and the US Open, Ed has yet to win a general election!MarqueeMark said:
AMWNBPMSunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
"Arise, Sir Andy - please accept this tennis racket for your services."0 -
On the other hand, why do you still have to sign for credit card bills in the US? Businesses don't want to pay for the wireless keypad machines, I assume.Tim_B said:Watching BBC World News with Laura Trevelyan. She is standing near a desk, holding the ubiquitous BBC sheaf of papers. The camera pulls back, and there is a microphone lead coming out of the bottom of her dress and trailing along the floor. Really? Haven't they heard of cordless? Laura is married to the head of ABC News, so she could probably chip in a bit.
Why do they have these people standing and wandering around in front of huge flat screens and holding papers they never look at?
Why can't they just sit behind a desk like anyone else? It just looks odd.0 -
Get well soon!nigel4england said:
Thanks again, I have to go back in a week or so and will find out then.HYUFD said:
Well hope the treatment has helped anywaynigel4england said:
Thanks, my daughters seem concerned but told them it's only a poxy torn retina, it's not going to kill me. Unless I can't see a bus coming of course.HYUFD said:
Sorry to hear that Nigel and hope the treatment went OK, you seem to have a positive attitude anywaynigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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Tim_B said:
That's because tennis is a racketHYUFD said:
Though Andy has won Wimbledon and the US Open, Ed has yet to win a general election!MarqueeMark said:
AMWNBPMSunil_Prasannan said:Andy Murray = Ed Miliband
"Arise, Sir Andy - please accept this tennis racket for your services."
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Hope the treatment is successful. 60 is no age, you shouldn't be falling apart, save that for your 80s.nigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
I'm slowly falling apart but very happy to still be here!
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Just back from a CLP nomination meeting for 2 joint Labour CLPs,one went for Corbyn,one for Cooper.Biggest attendance at a Labour party meeting I have seen for some time.Interestingly,not one speaker from the floor supported Kendall.The most influential contribution came from Cooper supporters who made the point convincingly she was the only one they could see "on the world stage".Tom Watson won both nominations for deputy,though run close by Stella Creasy fans who seemed to have most of the support of an encouraging number of young people present.
Jeremy Corbyn's "you can't cut your way to prosperity" continues to gain traction.
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That's a great non-sequitur!AndyJS said:
On the other hand, why do you still have to sign for credit card bills in the US? Businesses don't want to pay for the wireless keypad machines, I assume.Tim_B said:Watching BBC World News with Laura Trevelyan. She is standing near a desk, holding the ubiquitous BBC sheaf of papers. The camera pulls back, and there is a microphone lead coming out of the bottom of her dress and trailing along the floor. Really? Haven't they heard of cordless? Laura is married to the head of ABC News, so she could probably chip in a bit.
Why do they have these people standing and wandering around in front of huge flat screens and holding papers they never look at?
Why can't they just sit behind a desk like anyone else? It just looks odd.
Because chip and pin cards are only just coming into use, incredible though that sounds.
Until recently credit card fraud was much lower here than elsewhere. With the increasing sophistication of fraudsters that changed about 3 years ago. Now the card business is going chip and pin.
October is I believe when they will have to be used.0 -
Ha! Falling apart at 57 - knees mainly, ankles and back too.Luckyguy1983 said:
Hope the treatment is successful. 60 is no age, you shouldn't be falling apart, save that for your 80s.nigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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Given George W Bush and Silvio Berlusconi and Jacob Zuma have all managed to 'get on the world stage' I would not rule anyone out on that criteria!volcanopete said:Just back from a CLP nomination meeting for 2 joint Labour CLPs,one went for Corbyn,one for Cooper.Biggest attendance at a Labour party meeting I have seen for some time.Interestingly,not one speaker from the floor supported Kendall.The most influential contribution came from Cooper supporters who made the point convincingly she was the only one they could see "on the world stage".Tom Watson won both nominations for deputy,though run close by Stella Creasy fans who seemed to have most of the support of an encouraging number of young people present.
Jeremy Corbyn's "you can't cut your way to prosperity" continues to gain traction.0 -
CLPs nominations
My running total...maybe mistakes, hopefully not
Andy 43
Jeremy 34
Yvette 27
Liz 5
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14fJtyTh2RTSJdobOwYcU8-GQhFIsc1TYy86y369QdXc/edit#gid=00 -
You can always claim that they are old rugby injuries.MTimT said:
Ha! Falling apart at 57 - knees mainly, ankles and back too.Luckyguy1983 said:
Hope the treatment is successful. 60 is no age, you shouldn't be falling apart, save that for your 80s.nigel4england said:
Very true! I'm 60 in two weeks, last Saturday I had to have emergency laser treatment for a torn retina.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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Thanks very much for keeping us updated on the latest information.AndreaParma_82 said:CLPs nominations
My running total...maybe mistakes, hopefully not
Andy 43
Jeremy 34
Yvette 27
Liz 5
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14fJtyTh2RTSJdobOwYcU8-GQhFIsc1TYy86y369QdXc/edit#gid=00 -
Interesting. Did Cooper's denial of dirty tricks concerning Kendall do any good?volcanopete said:Just back from a CLP nomination meeting for 2 joint Labour CLPs,one went for Corbyn,one for Cooper.Biggest attendance at a Labour party meeting I have seen for some time.Interestingly,not one speaker from the floor supported Kendall.The most influential contribution came from Cooper supporters who made the point convincingly she was the only one they could see "on the world stage".Tom Watson won both nominations for deputy,though run close by Stella Creasy fans who seemed to have most of the support of an encouraging number of young people present.
Jeremy Corbyn's "you can't cut your way to prosperity" continues to gain traction.
I think Corbyn would be better than Cooper. He will bring in annual elections for leader, and I think Labour have to get neo-Syrizia out of their system before they can be a sensible party again.
Corbyn will also do the LDs a lot of good, just as Foot did the Liberals and SDP in the early eighties.0 -
David Gower, Ian Botham, Nasser Hussain and Bob Willis may have been brilliant cricketers but I find their commentary less than scintillating to listen to, so I tend to stick to TMS and watch the highlights on Five.nigel4england said:
I've watched every ball of this Test, though I will miss some of tomorrow's play.Sunil_Prasannan said:
HYUFD except that Golf is perhaps the only sport more boring than Test CricketHYUFD said:
Well you still have a few years left to win the Masters then Sunil, better get down the driving range!Sunil_Prasannan said:
He's a month younger than meHYUFD said:
Tiger is only 40 in December, still 6 years to go to match Jack's Masters win!Tim_B said:
A certain Eldrick Tont Woods isn't buying it.HYUFD said:
Indeed, I think eventually everyone has to accept they have pushed their body beyond its limits once they reach a certain agePulpstar said:
QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.HYUFD said:
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We should take seriously the idea that Jeremy could win. I can't see any reason why the CLP nominations shouldn't be reasonably representative of the voluntary party, and the big union endorsements could make the difference for him as they did for Miliband.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's clearly not a strong indicator, but it is an indicator of sorts and we don't have much in the way of better information. I think one can draw two tentative conclusions:DavidL said:This is getting quite a lot of coverage. See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11732639/Jeremy-Corbyn-leaps-into-second-place-in-race-for-Labour-leadership-supporters.html
Why? I really don't get why this is relevant to a OMOV election. Is it simply a substitution for polling? I think it is vanishingly unlikely that the sort of person who turns up to constituency meetings has a huge amount in common with your average member but I may well be wrong.
1. Liz is toast
2. Jeremy is going to do surprisingly well.
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I have held off taking part in the Labour leader elections precisely because I didn't think Corbyn had a snowball-in-hell's chance of victory. As things go on, his outside shot looks more and more ... well, not exactly credible, but certainly plausible. That might sway me enough to get me to (a) vote, (b) for Corbyn. I wonder how many other people are in a similar position.
Corbyn's momentum is to some extent self-fulfilling.0 -
Do you think Corbyn could win a general election for Labour (serious question)?MyBurningEars said:I have held off taking part in the Labour leader elections precisely because I didn't think Corbyn had a snowball-in-hell's chance of victory. As things go on, his outside shot looks more and more ... well, not exactly credible, but certainly plausible. That might sway me enough to get me to (a) vote, (b) for Corbyn. I wonder how many other people are in a similar position.
Corbyn's momentum is to some extent self-fulfilling.0 -
I have just watched the Top Gear Patagonia special. I have all the dvds including series 21, but it's not on them that I can find. It's copyrighted 2014. Is it part of series 22, the last episode of which airs here on Monday?0
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Jeremy Corbyn's "you can't cut your way to prosperity" continues to gain traction.
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No, it's a Christmas special, not officially part of any regular seriesTim_B said:I have just watched the Top Gear Patagonia special. I have all the dvds including series 21, but it's not on them that I can find. It's copyrighted 2014. Is it part of series 22, the last episode of which airs here on Monday?
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The Corbyn momentum reminds me a little of Fox's momentum in 2005 when it was thought he could get into the final 2, in the end he was third and beat Clarke but it ended up Davis v Cameron.0
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It's formally listed as (total) episodes 167/168 in Series 22Tim_B said:I have just watched the Top Gear Patagonia special. I have all the dvds including series 21, but it's not on them that I can find. It's copyrighted 2014. Is it part of series 22, the last episode of which airs here on Monday?
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The Christmas specials typically make their way into the dvd sets.Scott_P said:
No, it's a Christmas special, not officially part of any regular seriesTim_B said:I have just watched the Top Gear Patagonia special. I have all the dvds including series 21, but it's not on them that I can find. It's copyrighted 2014. Is it part of series 22, the last episode of which airs here on Monday?
The only 'specials' that haven't so far are Winter Olympics, 50 years of bond cars, armageddon (thank heaven), at the movies (truly awful), and worst car in the world. But they were all less than 3 pounds on amazon uk, so no biggie.0 -
It should emerge in the next couple of months then, whenever series 22 comes out on dvd.GeoffM said:
It's formally listed as (total) episodes 167/168 in Series 22Tim_B said:I have just watched the Top Gear Patagonia special. I have all the dvds including series 21, but it's not on them that I can find. It's copyrighted 2014. Is it part of series 22, the last episode of which airs here on Monday?
BBC America is touting Monday's episode as 'the one you never thought you'd see.'0 -
Any data on Deputy nominations?AndreaParma_82 said:CLPs nominations
My running total...maybe mistakes, hopefully not
Andy 43
Jeremy 34
Yvette 27
Liz 5
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14fJtyTh2RTSJdobOwYcU8-GQhFIsc1TYy86y369QdXc/edit#gid=00 -
I think you will find it on the same link!NickPalmer said:
Any data on Deputy nominations?AndreaParma_82 said:CLPs nominations
My running total...maybe mistakes, hopefully not
Andy 43
Jeremy 34
Yvette 27
Liz 5
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14fJtyTh2RTSJdobOwYcU8-GQhFIsc1TYy86y369QdXc/edit#gid=00 -
"Helen Hayes has an unusual background for an MP as an architect and town planner"
Oxford PPE maybe slightly more usual, though. Also the years on Southwark Council.
"and she seems to be very much her own woman"
I actually knew Helen slightly years ago, and I can confirm that's certainly true!0
