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True, except that it will be settled in 2016!Wulfrun_Phil said:If he wins that'll be in line to be PB betting tip of the year, for markets settled in 2015.
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It's the fat end of the wedge.Morris_Dancer said:Khan's ethnic quotas proposal is despicable.
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Indeed ^_~ http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/jun/taxpayers-cant-be-expected-bankroll-no-campJEO said:
That's only credible if the election is free and fair, which the government is doing its best to avoid. You can't have the taxpayer fund one side in a referendum, and then expect the other side to accept a defeat as legitimate.0 -
Hard to disagree with that. I know exactly what you mean.JEO said:
I am also from the same generation. I find her a dreadful columnist. It's quite rare that I actually check a columnist's name, but I only do it when the column is extremely good or extremely poor. I would say the majority of bad columns I read are written by her.Casino_Royale said:
I am from the same generation. She absolutely does not speak for me, and I'd implore all politicians to ignore such resentful and miserable whining.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
It's an insult to Polly Toynbee to be compared. I disagree with Toynbee a lot, but she has some level of deeper philosophy and thought behind her sentiments. Urwin is just reactively anti-Tory and incredibly smug. She ridicules anyone that has right of centre views to be written off as selfish/evil/reactionary/an idiot. She's emblematic of the mindset that lost Labour the election: people of like mind talking to themselves about how righteous they are, without stopping to check if the bulk of the public agree with them.0 -
Maybe - if it's Khan vs Zak then Paddy Power might throw in the towel early.Richard_Nabavi said:
True, except that it will be settled in 2016!Wulfrun_Phil said:If he wins that'll be in line to be PB betting tip of the year, for markets settled in 2015.
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He's a career race huckster and advocate of race preference for his own race. In the Labour party that still gets you a long way.CarlottaVance said:
Mush as I'd enjoy Labour picking a losing candidate, there's also the substantial risk they'd get elected - which is why I too would prefer Jowell - the Olympics were a considerable success, and while how much was down individually to Jowell is unknowable, and may be 'not very much' - at least she was there and helped make it happen - and was seen to be rooting for 'London' - not 'Labour'. In a previous life we used a simple recruiting criterion - 'Has done - will do'.DavidL said:It would be part of a somewhat sad trend if this is as good as Labour think they can do. Jowell is frankly boring (despite the leather jacket the other day) but she is solid, competent and has played a part in delivering a massive project in London.
What has Khan done? (May be a lot - but I'm not aware of it).
I wouldn't go so far as call him a racist because whether something is racism or not depends on the race of the racist.0 -
Khan vs Zac mmmmmmmmmTGOHF said:
Maybe - if it's Khan vs Zak then Paddy Power might throw in the towel early.Richard_Nabavi said:
True, except that it will be settled in 2016!Wulfrun_Phil said:If he wins that'll be in line to be PB betting tip of the year, for markets settled in 2015.
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Should Khan become London Mayor the resulting by election in Tooting looks quite interesting...0
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She is one of those people who would enthusiastically support degrees for all then complain about student debt; vote Labour then complain about the amount and consequences of immigration; object to having to borrow a lot to buy a house, then object to MMR limiting her ability to borrow a lot and thus becoming unable to buy a house; and so on.JEO said:
I am also from the same generation. I find her a dreadful columnist. It's quite rare that I actually check a columnist's name, but I only do it when the column is extremely good or extremely poor. I would say the majority of bad columns I read are written by her.Casino_Royale said:
I am from the same generation. She absolutely does not speak for me, and I'd implore all politicians to ignore such resentful and miserable whining.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
It's an insult to Polly Toynbee to be compared. I disagree with Toynbee a lot, but she has some level of deeper philosophy and thought behind her sentiments. Urwin is just reactively anti-Tory and incredibly smug. She ridicules anyone that has right of centre views to be written off as selfish/evil/reactionary/an idiot. She's emblematic of the mindset that lost Labour the election: people of like mind talking to themselves about how righteous they are, without stopping to check if the bulk of the public agree with them.
She is one of those people who should never be given what she thinks she wants because she hasn't thought through what she wants and will become angrier if she is given it.0 -
Rather than standing Khan, why doesn't Labour just stand Lutfur Rahman for London Mayor? He and Khan agree on pretty much everything, both support racial discrimination, but Rahman has an impressive record of being able to GOTV on the day. Plus, he is available now and if any criticises him it's always racism.
Very 2015 Labour.0 -
Don't forget: her response to almost any criticism of her is that it's emblematic of male sexism.Bond_James_Bond said:
She is one of those people who would enthusiastically support degrees for all then complain about student debt; vote Labour then complain about the amount and consequences of immigration; object to having to borrow a lot to buy a house, then object to MMR limiting her ability to borrow a lot and thus becoming unable to buy a house; and so on.JEO said:
I am also from the same generation. I find her a dreadful columnist. It's quite rare that I actually check a columnist's name, but I only do it when the column is extremely good or extremely poor. I would say the majority of bad columns I read are written by her.Casino_Royale said:
I am from the same generation. She absolutely does not speak for me, and I'd implore all politicians to ignore such resentful and miserable whining.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
It's an insult to Polly Toynbee to be compared. I disagree with Toynbee a lot, but she has some level of deeper philosophy and thought behind her sentiments. Urwin is just reactively anti-Tory and incredibly smug. She ridicules anyone that has right of centre views to be written off as selfish/evil/reactionary/an idiot. She's emblematic of the mindset that lost Labour the election: people of like mind talking to themselves about how righteous they are, without stopping to check if the bulk of the public agree with them.
She is one of those people who should never be given what she thinks she wants because she hasn't thought through what she wants and will become angrier if she is given it.0 -
Anecdotally it has long been clear that in this country it is only lefties who demonstrate and riot. One struggles to think of a right-wing riot since Oswald Mosley (even if one accepts that he actually was right-wing).dugarbandier said:
the really offensive thing is that they can get that kind of pish published in a "respectable" scientific journalCarlottaVance said:Well this has got something to offend everyone....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3134756/No-wonder-student-protests-turn-brawls-Left-wingers-t-control-conservatives-claims-study.html0 -
Amazon appear to be altering the way they pay self-published authors, so it's by how many pages are read.
It's good news. I was making so much money I was having a hard time deciding what to spend it all on.
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Getting your excuses in early?JEO said:
That's only credible if the election is free and fair, which the government is doing its best to avoid. You can't have the taxpayer fund one side in a referendum, and then expect the other side to accept a defeat as legitimate.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Referenda are poor ways of making decisions on complex issues, but if we are to have one will tespect the result.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hang on. You are the one who has been complaining about the Referendum and saying this should have been decided by Parliament. Of course there is a strong suspicion that if it had looked at all likely Parliament would have voted for us to leave you would be moaning about how it should not be allowed without a referendum.foxinsoxuk said:
Not at all. Every country in the EU is a democracy, and the trend over time is for the democratic structures in the EU to become stronger. There is always some tension in balancing the will of the majority against minority rights and protections.nigel4england said:
For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
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"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.
We shall shortly see whether the democratically expressed wish of the UK voter is to remain in the EU.0 -
probably some EDL bobbins around somewhere.Bond_James_Bond said:
Anecdotally it has long been clear that in this country it is only lefties who demonstrate and riot. One struggles to think of a right-wing riot since Oswald Mosley (even if one accepts that he actually was right-wing).dugarbandier said:
the really offensive thing is that they can get that kind of pish published in a "respectable" scientific journalCarlottaVance said:Well this has got something to offend everyone....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3134756/No-wonder-student-protests-turn-brawls-Left-wingers-t-control-conservatives-claims-study.html
Anyway, beside my point. they select a bunch of people on the basis of their being "conservative" and then demonstrate that those people behave "conservatively". purest of bobbins0 -
You want to treat yourself to a pet rabbit, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Amazon appear to be altering the way they pay self-published authors, so it's by how many pages are read.
It's good news. I was making so much money I was having a hard time deciding what to spend it all on.
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and anyway, surely looting is the ultimate expression of yr free marketdugarbandier said:
probably some EDL bobbins around somewhere.Bond_James_Bond said:
Anecdotally it has long been clear that in this country it is only lefties who demonstrate and riot. One struggles to think of a right-wing riot since Oswald Mosley (even if one accepts that he actually was right-wing).dugarbandier said:
the really offensive thing is that they can get that kind of pish published in a "respectable" scientific journalCarlottaVance said:Well this has got something to offend everyone....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3134756/No-wonder-student-protests-turn-brawls-Left-wingers-t-control-conservatives-claims-study.html
Anyway, beside my point. they select a bunch of people on the basis of their being "conservative" and then demonstrate that those people behave "conservatively". purest of bobbins
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"63% reckon Labour are “too soft” on welfare.
That’s not, by the way, some push-polling done to further a right wing agenda. That figure is from the post-election research carried out by the TUC."
http://labourlist.org/2015/06/we-decided-a-week-ago-to-broaden-the-debate-about-labours-future-lets-not-try-and-close-it-down-now/0 -
Or a pet owl - could even act as your post/man/woman/owl.Pulpstar said:
You want to treat yourself to a pet rabbit, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Amazon appear to be altering the way they pay self-published authors, so it's by how many pages are read.
It's good news. I was making so much money I was having a hard time deciding what to spend it all on.
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House-trained bunnies are wonderful. If nibblers.Pulpstar said:
You want to treat yourself to a pet rabbit, Mr Dancer.Morris_Dancer said:Amazon appear to be altering the way they pay self-published authors, so it's by how many pages are read.
It's good news. I was making so much money I was having a hard time deciding what to spend it all on.
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Bet that hurt.Financier said:
"63% reckon Labour are “too soft” on welfare.
That’s not, by the way, some push-polling done to further a right wing agenda. That figure is from the post-election research carried out by the TUC."
http://labourlist.org/2015/06/we-decided-a-week-ago-to-broaden-the-debate-about-labours-future-lets-not-try-and-close-it-down-now/0 -
Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham0 -
Lutfur Rahman would be a very good choice, but unfortunately, he'll be disqualified at the time of next year's election.Bond_James_Bond said:Rather than standing Khan, why doesn't Labour just stand Lutfur Rahman for London Mayor? He and Khan agree on pretty much everything, both support racial discrimination, but Rahman has an impressive record of being able to GOTV on the day. Plus, he is available now and if any criticises him it's always racism.
Very 2015 Labour.
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Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
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It was a "manufactured" crisis. The peaceful protesters were not as "peaceful" as they were made out to be and Gaddafi never used heavy weaponry or planes to attack populated areas. Photoshop was at work here. Nor did Gaddafi ever threaten to attack civilians. He was "mistranslated."Charles said:
The population was 630,000 in 2011 (Wiki).FalseFlag said:
500,000! Why pluck that number out of the thin air?Charles said:
Which bit about the imminent slaughter of up to 500,000 civilians justifies inverted commas?Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/02/01/hillarys-war/
We certainly didn't intervene in the Ukraine or Bahrain when the governments there started killing their own people. The extraordinary thing is after the debacle of Iraq that Cameron followed up with Libya and Syria, history will not be kind.
The stories at the time - and I have to share nothing beyond press reports - were that the civilian population was under threat.
http://www.fourandsix.com/photo-tampering-history/tag/photojournalism-ethics?currentPage=3
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/hillary-clinton-libya-war-genocide-narrative-rejec/?page=all
Hillary Clinton was the key figure behind this campaign and benefited financially because the companies that gained from the intervention were key backers of the Clinton foundation and paid her for "giving speeches." You just need to connect the dots to see how the money-grubbing worked behind the scenes:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/24/opinions/louis-hillary-clinton-sid-blumenthal-emails/index.html0 -
Yougov's Mayoral poll last week for the Evening Standard actually had Jowell with a narrow lead with Labour voters as well as All voters, Labour members will not differ much from Labour voters
https://yougov.co.uk/news/categories/politics/
Labour voters
Jowell 23%
Khan 20%
Lammy 9%
Abbott 9%
All voters
Jowell 15%
Khan 10%
Lammy 6%
Abbott 6%
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I aware he'd been hoofed out and LBTH now has a new Mayor but I hadn't realised the body that did this also had the power to bar his arse from office, so thanks for that.Sean_F said:
Lutfur Rahman would be a very good choice, but unfortunately, he'll be disqualified at the time of next year's election.Bond_James_Bond said:Rather than standing Khan, why doesn't Labour just stand Lutfur Rahman for London Mayor? He and Khan agree on pretty much everything, both support racial discrimination, but Rahman has an impressive record of being able to GOTV on the day. Plus, he is available now and if any criticises him it's always racism.
Very 2015 Labour.
The right thing for UK public life, for sure, but not for the gaiety of the nation.0 -
Oh dear, I might have to review my book, which is currently tilted towards Yvette..antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham0 -
Huge - and quite probably incorrect - assumption you're blithely making there.HYUFD said:Labour members will not differ much from Labour voters
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Our low fees mean that we are, essentially, working for free in many instances.TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
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In general, I agree with you about referenda. The one exception is for constitutional change.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Referenda are poor ways of making decisions on complex issues, but if we are to have one will tespect the result.
In a representative democracy, the people delegate powers to the government to rule on their behalf. If the government want to transfer any of these powers to a third party, then they need to gain the approval of the people.0 -
Shit. Time to trade out.antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham0 -
You are a very bad man :-)Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh dear, I might have to review my book, which is currently tilted towards Yvette..antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham
While I'd like Butcher to win I can see Yvette getting this. She seems overall much nastier than Butcher, who is merely a sap. She has probably therefore been sucking energetically up to the grassroots for years waiting for this day. There is a sort of gimme look in her little eyes.
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Mr. Pulpstar, I have the enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs already.0
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TP Why may I ask. In 2010 David Miliband led followed by Ed Miliband in polls of Labour voters and David Miliband won the Labour members vote.0
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Do octo-lemurs have stripey legs?Morris_Dancer said:
Mr. Pulpstar, I have the enormo-haddock and octo-lemurs already.
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A reminder of Polly's prescience as a contra-indicator last time - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/aug/30/vain-venal-has-beens-mandelson
"Labour's vain, venal has-beens should bow out and shut up
Blair is reported in the Mail on Sunday as saying Ed Miliband would be "a disaster" while Mandelson tells the Times Ed would lead Labour into "an electoral cul-de-sac". "0 -
Surely, we want Corbyn to win?Bond_James_Bond said:
You are a very bad man :-)Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh dear, I might have to review my book, which is currently tilted towards Yvette..antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham
While I'd like Butcher to win I can see Yvette getting this. She seems overall much nastier than Butcher, who is merely a sap. She has probably therefore been sucking energetically up to the grassroots for years waiting for this day. There is a sort of gimme look in her little eyes.0 -
Miss Plato, yes. They're a perfect genetic splicing of lemurs and octopuses, endowed with a multiplicity of limbs and psychic powers.0
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Which polling was that? The very accurate YouGov polling made sure they got to Labour members.HYUFD said:TP Why may I ask. In 2010 David Miliband led followed by Ed Miliband in polls of Labour voters and David Miliband won the Labour members vote.
I did find this amusing article when searching (looks like a voodoo poll, tbh): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281363/Diane-Abbott-tipped-win-Labour-leadership-race.html0 -
Polly's argument seems to be that while Corbyn may not be able to win, Cooper is the most leftwing of Burnham and Kendall so the best choice for her. On that basis Burnham or Kendall would be the better bets.
'Kendall adopts totemic policies – for FREE schools, higher defence spending and the “centre ground”. She’s a “moderniser”, but calls for “reform” may seem a little otiose by 2020 if few services remain in the public realm. “What matters is what works” – well, yes, but who says otherwise? She has yet to show policy depth behind the words, with no flashes of Tony Blair’s 1997 radicalism – an equivalent to his minimum wage or £5bn windfall tax.
Unless she ups her GAME, the contest is between Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper. His Liverpool working class backstory is a great asset. Cooper has a bit of the northern too – and the advantage that Labour needs a woman leader. The decider may be less about right and left than who has the credibility, solidity under fire, and the economic confidence and intellect to carry the argument against extreme austerity. Burnham’s interview in the Mail on Sunday seems to row back from his recent CLAIM that Ed Miliband’s was the best manifesto he had ever stood on, resiling from some of it. Burnham was fast out of the traps to attack Osborne’s benefit cuts yesterday – but Cooper was there too, defending tax credits and calling for a living wage.
Cooper is on the up, her every outing leaving audiences thinking better of her. She even impressed the press gallery last week, the toughest gig of all. This question killed Miliband: did Labour overspending leave Britain vulnerable in the crash? Unlike Kendall, Cooper refuses to concede. It’s not true, she won’t say it and she can say why with A punchy economic explanation poor Miliband never learned. No need to choose yet: any of the three may shine brighter in the next months, but my hunch is Cooper is the one to beat.'
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham0 -
Shallow populism again. Much like his time as Education Secretary then.TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
Michael Gove: Wealthy lawyers should do more free work for the justice system http://tgr.ph/1J1ORoj
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TP Yougov on 13th September 2010 had the following results with Labour voters
David Miliband 34%
Ed Miliband 12%
Ed Balls 10%
Diane Abbott 6%
Andy Burnham 5%
Head to Head
David Miliband 43%
Ed Miliband 21%
So Labour voters got the top 3 in the right order and the winner of the members vote correct, though the margin was closer with members. With union members no longer automatically given a vote in Labour leadership and mayoral candidate votes Labour voters are a reasonable guide to the winner
https://yougov.co.uk/publicopinion/archive/?month=&category=&year=2010&page=27
See p6
As a result do not rule out Jowell0 -
Running services for the benefit of the users not the suppliers - it will never catch on..matt said:
Shallow populism again. Much like his time as Education Secretary then.TGOHF said:Should go down well
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Well that's miles away from the result: simply getting it in the right order is not a success. If Labour members had voted like that, David would have won.HYUFD said:TP Yougov on 13th September 2010 had the following results with Labour voters
David Miliband 34%
Ed Miliband 12%
Ed Balls 10%
Diane Abbott 6%
Andy Burnham 5%
Head to Head
David Miliband 43%
Ed Miliband 21%
So Labour voters got the top 3 in the right order and the winner of the members vote correct, though the margin was closer with members
https://yougov.co.uk/publicopinion/archive/?month=&category=&year=2010&page=27
See p6
As a result do not rule out Jowell
See this article:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/06/heres-why-most-polls-about-labour-leadership-race-wont-tell-us-anything
Never forget that Labour party activists are completely different from Labour party voters, let alone the country at large. At no point did Ed Miliband get anywhere near the 30 per cent of first preferences – let alone the 45 per cent he achieved in the final round – in a poll of Labour voters, although a YouGov poll of party members called the final result exactly right.0 -
Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?TGOHF said:Should go down well
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I suspect a shortage in supply of small string instruments at the depot may be occurring soon.antifrank said:
Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
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Toynbee (on Kendall) "She’s a “moderniser”, but calls for “reform” may seem a little otiose by 2020 if few services remain in the public realm."
What a pile of cr*p "by 2020 if few services remain in the public realm". What massive privatisations of public services are underway? If there were I would welcome it. This is just an exBBC leftie hack scaremongering.0 -
How does Labour "need" a woman leader?HYUFD said:Cooper has a bit of the northern too – and the advantage that Labour needs a woman leader.
Labour "needs" an effective leader regardless of gender. Whether they will get one from this current crop of candidates is open to question.0 -
Of course he is.antifrank said:Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?
This is classic Gove. It's a diversionary tactic to distract the vested interests from the main offensive, which is to lay into the absurdly inefficient, ineffective and expensive justice system - one of the major scandals of our age, and perhaps the last great untackled challenge from the restrictive practices of the pre-Thatcher period.0 -
I have no problem with Michael Gove using his bully pulpit to try to get changes in behaviour. But first he needs to decide in what way the behaviour is deficient.TGOHF said:
I suspect a shortage in supply of small string instruments at the depot may be occurring soon.antifrank said:
Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
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Just like the Conservatives "need" not to have an old Etonian - as the electorate have shown how bothered they are about attributes the candidate had nothing to do with .Disraeli said:
How does Labour "need" a woman leader?HYUFD said:Cooper has a bit of the northern too – and the advantage that Labour needs a woman leader.
Labour "needs" an effective leader regardless of gender. Whether they will get one from this current crop of candidates is open to question.0 -
TP In the first round David Miliband won 14% of party members, Ed Miliband 9%, Ed Balls 3%, Abbott 2%, Burnham 2%. In the final round David Miliband won 18%, Ed Miliband 13% of the members vote in the electoral college, so the Labour voters figures gave you a clear guide to who would win the first round and the final round, even if the margin was closer.
On that basis it actually did better than the yougov members poll because, as OGH pointed out recently, the yougov members poll had David Miliband winning the first round with members, beating Ed 38% - 31%. However it had Ed Miliband winning the final round 52-48%. Ed Miliband lost the final round with members
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One imagines so but he doesn't care. He is profoundly illiberal.antifrank said:
Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
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You live and learn.. I thought I was pretty good at English but otiose is a word I have never come across.TCPoliticalBetting said:Toynbee (on Kendall) "She’s a “moderniser”, but calls for “reform” may seem a little otiose by 2020 if few services remain in the public realm."
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A question, probably for Andrea... How many of the current Tory MPs are lawyers?TGOHF said:Should go down well
Telegraph News @TelegraphNews 2m2 minutes ago
Michael Gove: Wealthy lawyers should do more free work for the justice system http://tgr.ph/1J1ORoj
At first sight, it looks like an own goal for Gove´s leadership chances.
But then he only said "should" - which everybody would surely agree with. No problem.
Perhaps if he were to introduce some kind of "national service" for lawyers, that might make a difference.....
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It's always a laugh to be reminded of how batshit crazy Toynbee is. I so hope Labour's listening to her.
"calls for “reform” may seem a little otiose by 2020 if few services remain in the public realm." - what?
"His Liverpool working class backstory is a great asset" - it is? How?
"did Labour overspending leave Britain vulnerable in the crash? Unlike Kendall, Cooper refuses to concede. It’s not true" - well, that's Labour stuffed then; what are they going to refuse to concede next? That the earth's round not flat?
The flaw in the argument that Mrs Balls is great is that if we were we'd have had an inkling of it by now. If we have, I missed it.0 -
In what way is it ineffective?Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course he is.antifrank said:Is Michael Gove aware just how extensive the corporate social responsibility programmes of the large law firms are?
This is classic Gove. It's a diversionary tactic to distract the vested interests from the main offensive, which is to lay into the absurdly inefficient, ineffective and expensive justice system - one of the major scandals of our age, and perhaps the last great untackled challenge from the restrictive practices of the pre-Thatcher period.0 -
In civil cases, it fails to protect the ordinary guy from the rich and powerful. In criminal cases, it's a complete shambles of waste and chaotic outcomes. In all cases, it is ludicrously and disproportionately expensive.matt said:In what way is it ineffective?
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PClipp Maybe if the government was not slashing legal aid to the bone while ringfencing some other departments wealthy lawyers would not need to do so much free legal work. In my experience most city law firms do pro bono work anyway, some commercial barristers do work for the Free Representation Unit, but they cannot be expected to sacrifice most of the other work they have to do in their paid day job to do much more0
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Labour is now beautifully hoist with its own petard.Disraeli said:
How does Labour "need" a woman leader?HYUFD said:Cooper has a bit of the northern too – and the advantage that Labour needs a woman leader.
Labour "needs" an effective leader regardless of gender. Whether they will get one from this current crop of candidates is open to question.
Because it insists on quotas, it has a HoC presence stuffed with nodding dogs who are there not because they are good, but because they are black, or women, or gay.
The result is that when Labour comes to choose a leader it does so from a pool of abject, desperate no-marks such as Liz Who, Mrs Balls, and even Diane "White people like to divide and rule" Abbott. When it comes to mayoral candidates it faces likewise the farcical situation where Sadiq "Race quotas" Khan and David "Shoplifting off rich shops is OK" Lammy are actually serious candidates.
Truly you reap what you sow.0 -
Disraeli Yes voters vote on merit0
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Based on comments on this thread, it looks like Khan should be a bit shorter than Jowell for the nomination but the other way round for the mayoralty.
No surprise to see Zac favourite. Guido has the results of his endorsement ballot:
YES: 15,802 79%
NO: 3569 18%
Don’t Know: 503 2%
Spoilt: 16
77,071 ballots sent out, 19,890 came before deadline. 25.8% turnout.
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Zac Goldsmith has won backing from his voters to run for Mayor and now likely Tory candidate, as yougov showed he could beat Khan, though Jowell would beat Zac
http://order-order.com/2015/06/23/79-of-goldsmiths-constituents-backzac/0 -
Who was that wise PBer that tipped Zac at 22/1?Tissue_Price said:Based on comments on this thread, it looks like Khan should be a bit shorter than Jowell for the nomination but the other way round for the mayoralty.
No surprise to see Zac favourite. Guido has the results of his endorsement ballot:
YES: 15,802 79%
NO: 3569 18%
Don’t Know: 503 2%
Spoilt: 16
77,071 ballots sent out, 19,890 came before deadline. 25.8% turnout.
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Indonesian mimic octopus. Stripey, cunning, intelligent, and generally one the best animals on the planet.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, yes. They're a perfect genetic splicing of lemurs and octopuses, endowed with a multiplicity of limbs and psychic powers.
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O/T There was adiscussion on arecent thread about the meaning of the word "eurosceptic"
The original Sceptics ". . . were a school of philosophers, admirers of Pyrrho of Elis (c360-270BC) who allegedly accompanied Alexander the Great on his campaign in India and may have studied Indian beliefs.
Different sceptics held different views - but all are versions of the theme of taking nothing on trust, and that is what the word has come to mean.
"Skeptikos" in Greek is related to "skeptomai" meaning "look at carefully". And to the noun "skope", meaning lookout (which of course gives us periscope - peri means "around"), and more distantly to our word "spy".
The word "eurosceptic" appeared in the 1970s, but was not common till later. Even The Spectator archive, a treasure-house of euroscepticism, records it just once in June 1971, and not again until 1989.
We will see a good bit more of the word in the coming months."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-33237491
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Former chief inspector of schools Chris Woodhead has died
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I look forward to my head-to-head with Henry ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise PBer that tipped Zac at 22/1?Tissue_Price said:Based on comments on this thread, it looks like Khan should be a bit shorter than Jowell for the nomination but the other way round for the mayoralty.
No surprise to see Zac favourite. Guido has the results of his endorsement ballot:
YES: 15,802 79%
NO: 3569 18%
Don’t Know: 503 2%
Spoilt: 16
77,071 ballots sent out, 19,890 came before deadline. 25.8% turnout.
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He's wrestling with the problem that I identified a couple of weeks ago, which is that a coherent view of what Out means will never be agreed upon. Hence my idea that the Out campaign should follow the theme "Not Good Enough", allowing those who want further concessions from the EU to unite with those who want out.TheScreamingEagles said:We maybe getting two EU referendums.
Head of the out campaign
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You'll both be in my shadow when Liz Kendall becomes Labour leader, backed and retipped at 50/1 and 20/1.Tissue_Price said:
I look forward to my head-to-head with Henry ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was that wise PBer that tipped Zac at 22/1?Tissue_Price said:Based on comments on this thread, it looks like Khan should be a bit shorter than Jowell for the nomination but the other way round for the mayoralty.
No surprise to see Zac favourite. Guido has the results of his endorsement ballot:
YES: 15,802 79%
NO: 3569 18%
Don’t Know: 503 2%
Spoilt: 16
77,071 ballots sent out, 19,890 came before deadline. 25.8% turnout.
http://order-order.com/2015/06/23/79-of-goldsmiths-constituents-backzac/
Though I'm not sure I've ever mentioned that on PB.0 -
Very sad news. RIP.HYUFD said:Former chief inspector of schools Chris Woodhead has died
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It would be a clever strategy. I can't see Cameron agreeing to it.antifrank said:
He's wrestling with the problem that I identified a couple of weeks ago, which is that a coherent view of what Out means will never be agreed upon. Hence my idea that the Out campaign should follow the theme "Not Good Enough", allowing those who want further concessions from the EU to unite with those who want out.TheScreamingEagles said:We maybe getting two EU referendums.
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Casino Yes he was not always popular in some quarters, but he had a ferocious work ethic and was still doing his ST column last Sunday0
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Bet tip: Goldsmith for Conservative candidate:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/london-mayor?ev_oc_grp_ids=2083343
Zac Goldsmith should be more like 1-5 rather than 1-2 I think.0 -
Hold your nerve. Poll's actually got quite a decent record of tipping unelectable losers to lead Labour (she was Pro Brown and Pro rEd - Until it became obvious they were both unelectable and things went sour...)Tissue_Price said:
Shit. Time to trade out.antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham
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AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME
Anorak said:
Indonesian mimic octopus. Stripey, cunning, intelligent, and generally one the best animals on the planet.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, yes. They're a perfect genetic splicing of lemurs and octopuses, endowed with a multiplicity of limbs and psychic powers.
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I'm not a fan of the phrase - to me it smacks of being dragged along by the current but having a good (though ineffectual) winge about it whilst you do so. Who is still 'skeptical' of the EU these days? Who has 'misgivings' after decades as part of the venal, corrupt, bureaucratic, power-hungry anti-democratic redundant sclerotic declining customs union?Disraeli said:O/T There was adiscussion on arecent thread about the meaning of the word "eurosceptic"
The original Sceptics ". . . were a school of philosophers, admirers of Pyrrho of Elis (c360-270BC) who allegedly accompanied Alexander the Great on his campaign in India and may have studied Indian beliefs.
Different sceptics held different views - but all are versions of the theme of taking nothing on trust, and that is what the word has come to mean.
"Skeptikos" in Greek is related to "skeptomai" meaning "look at carefully". And to the noun "skope", meaning lookout (which of course gives us periscope - peri means "around"), and more distantly to our word "spy".
The word "eurosceptic" appeared in the 1970s, but was not common till later. Even The Spectator archive, a treasure-house of euroscepticism, records it just once in June 1971, and not again until 1989.
We will see a good bit more of the word in the coming months."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-33237491
There are three things you can be in my opinion - for it, against it, or insufficiently informed about it. Going along with it but being 'jolly cross' doesn't cut the mustard any more.0 -
This result is a big boost for the Jowell camp - she is the only candidate that can stop the Tories.HYUFD said:Zac Goldsmith has won backing from his voters to run for Mayor and now likely Tory candidate, as yougov showed he could beat Khan, though Jowell would beat Zac
http://order-order.com/2015/06/23/79-of-goldsmiths-constituents-backzac/
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Yes, I know - it was a joke really. Polly is always worth reading even if I rarely agree with her.GIN1138 said:
Hold your nerve. Poll's actually got quite a decent record of tipping unelectable losers to lead Labour (she was Pro Brown and Pro rEd - Until it became obvious they were both unelectable and things went sour...)Tissue_Price said:
Shit. Time to trade out.antifrank said:Polly Toynbee is plugging Yvette Cooper's chances:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/labour-leadership-race-yvette-cooper-andy-burnham
I am +17 Yvette, +8 Andy, -2 Liz and -11 Jeremy.0 -
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/700933/#Comment_700933Pulpstar said:Bet tip: Goldsmith for Conservative candidate:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/london-mayor?ev_oc_grp_ids=2083343
Zac Goldsmith should be more like 1-5 rather than 1-2 I think.
EDIT: actually, with Nick de Bois signed up as Zac's chairman I think Zac is 1/16 here.0 -
TGOHF Indeed, Yougov in their Evening Standard Poll had Jowell leading Zac 35% - 26%, but Khan level with Zac on 29% each, Labour members may bear that in mind when they cast their votes
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He has the tricky matter of overcoming Sol thoughTissue_Price said:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/700933/#Comment_700933Pulpstar said:Bet tip: Goldsmith for Conservative candidate:
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/london-mayor?ev_oc_grp_ids=2083343
Zac Goldsmith should be more like 1-5 rather than 1-2 I think.
EDIT: actually, with Nick de Bois signed up as Zac's chairman I think Zac is 1/16 here. 0 -
PBers, let me introduce you to this year's winner of the Darwin award
Los Angeles | An L.A. gang member, Nazario Conchuza Gonzalez, who is part of the infamous Ms-13 gang, also called Mara Salvatrucha, has died of medical complications after attempting to gold plate his own genitals to celebrate his 17th anniversary.
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watford30 Indeed, Kendall was born in Hertfordshire and went to Watford Grammar, Corbyn was born in Chippenham and went to Adams Grammar School in Shropshire. Cooper was born in Inverness but went to a Hampshire comp and 6th form college, Burnham was born in Liverpool and went to a St Helens Catholic school so he is really the most northern of the candidates0
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Hmm Having him as a neighbour could adversely impact the value of your home.TheScreamingEagles said:PBers, let me introduce you to this year's winner of the Darwin award
Los Angeles | An L.A. gang member, Nazario Conchuza Gonzalez, who is part of the infamous Ms-13 gang, also called Mara Salvatrucha, has died of medical complications after attempting to gold plate his own genitals to celebrate his 17th anniversary.
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What an idiot.TheScreamingEagles said:PBers, let me introduce you to this year's winner of the Darwin award
Los Angeles | An L.A. gang member, Nazario Conchuza Gonzalez, who is part of the infamous Ms-13 gang, also called Mara Salvatrucha, has died of medical complications after attempting to gold plate his own genitals to celebrate his 17th anniversary.
http://bit.ly/1IwmuvD
Everyone knows you should use this:
http://www.daler-rowney.com/content/goldfinger
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RIP James Horner - his score to Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan is probably my favourite film score of all time. He also did Aliens.Moses_ said:Sky news
Titanic Composer Feared Dead In Plane Crash
James Horner has not been heard from since the single-engine aircraft registered to him crashed in southern California.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
PBers, let me introduce you to this year's winner of the Darwin award
Los Angeles | An L.A. gang member, Nazario Conchuza Gonzalez, who is part of the infamous Ms-13 gang, also called Mara Salvatrucha, has died of medical complications after attempting to gold plate his own genitals to celebrate his 17th anniversary.
http://bit.ly/1IwmuvD
GGG - gilded gelded gangsta...
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SICIMOL?SimonStClare said:
Khan has the backing of both Unite, and the GMB. No wonder the Labour leader of the London Assembly is worried about a stich up.Moses_ said:
"Has the support of the left wing unions" ..... (Enough to make most shudder)SimonStClare said:Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.0 -
Some of the score from The Wrath of Khan was reused in Aliens.Sunil_Prasannan said:
RIP James Horner - his score to Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan is probably my favourite film score of all time. He also did Aliens.Moses_ said:Sky news
Titanic Composer Feared Dead In Plane Crash
James Horner has not been heard from since the single-engine aircraft registered to him crashed in southern California.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
PBers, let me introduce you to this year's winner of the Darwin award
Los Angeles | An L.A. gang member, Nazario Conchuza Gonzalez, who is part of the infamous Ms-13 gang, also called Mara Salvatrucha, has died of medical complications after attempting to gold plate his own genitals to celebrate his 17th anniversary.
http://bit.ly/1IwmuvD
Au Balls.
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He also did Braveheart and Avatar!TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of the score from The Wrath of Khan was reused in Aliens.Sunil_Prasannan said:
RIP James Horner - his score to Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan is probably my favourite film score of all time. He also did Aliens.Moses_ said:Sky news
Titanic Composer Feared Dead In Plane Crash
James Horner has not been heard from since the single-engine aircraft registered to him crashed in southern California.0
