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You know when a candidate is losing when they start to blame the rules of the game. We don’t get more proof than in London right now. Len Duvall, a backer of Tessa Jowell’s bid to be Labour mayoral candidate, has publicly warned of the dangers of muslims and trade union members registering to vote in the Labour mayoral selection.
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Fab - Labour moving left in London with a Mayor who wants ethnic quotas. What could possibly go wrong?
It's really good to see how quickly and profoundly the party is showing awareness of why it lost so heavily last month.0 -
OT Ladbrokes and Corals are said to be in merger talks.0
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Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.
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Not to mention Margaret Hodge! Seems like the party in London is getting carried away by the, very modest swings achieved there last month. Just what they need to project into the rest of middle England - you really couldn't make it up.SimonStClare said:Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.0 -
It mirrors what was going on in Scotland (without the ethnic issue) . Labour are going to find it very hard to get elected if they play dirty against each other.
Long may it continue.0 -
"Has the support of the left wing unions" ..... (Enough to make most shudder)SimonStClare said:Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.0 -
It does indeed because one of the themes in the BBC program last night about the fall of Labour in Scotland was the long shadow caused by the Iraq war with even Charlie Falkner admitting it had been a damaging mistake for Labour (obviously rather more important than the tens of thousands of deaths of non voters). According to Henry that seems to be the same here.SquareRoot said:It mirrors what was going on in Scotland (without the ethnic issue) . Labour are going to find it very hard to get elected if they play dirty against each other.
Long may it continue.
London should be an easy win for Labour when the Tories don't have Boris but it may be that Sadiq Kahn will galvanise opposition in a way that Jowell wouldn't.0 -
Khan has the backing of both Unite, and the GMB. No wonder the Labour leader of the London Assembly is worried about a stich up.Moses_ said:
"Has the support of the left wing unions" ..... (Enough to make most shudder)SimonStClare said:Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.0 -
FPT, Hunchman, Havering is still pretty solid for the Tories. Their majorities fell because of big swings to UKIP, not Labour. Interestingly, Labour used to be able to win that borough (like Hillingdon) but have no chance now. Labour did better in Chingford, but the right wing vote was still 61%.
But, you're general point is a good one. Seats like Enfield North and Ilford North are slipping away.0 -
With the high profile of the London Mayor it looks like Khan will be the public face of Labour, second only to the new Leader.SimonStClare said:
Khan has the backing of both Unite, and the GMB. No wonder the Labour leader of the London Assembly is worried about a stich up.Moses_ said:
"Has the support of the left wing unions" ..... (Enough to make most shudder)SimonStClare said:Morning all.
Sadiq Khan ‘has won the support of Oona King and Ken Livingstone.’
Tessa Jowell should highlight that in her campaign bumf.
Not a terribly appealing prospect. More of this:
http://order-order.com/2015/02/26/sadiq-khan-spoke-at-event-hosted-by-jihadi-john-group/#_@/NTzrKa_x0OAoEA0 -
I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
If Labour do pick Khan, and the Tories Goldsmith, we're on for a good fight.0 -
It would be a real achievement for Labour to lose the London mayoral election next year, but it looks like they're going to give it their best shot. Khan is not so much mad or bad as utterly uninspiring and dispiriting. If he runs he will be defeated should the Tories choose a half decent candidate. Let's hope they go with Sol or Karren, but sadly there is only one Stupid Party in British politics these days.0
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Goldsmith will win easily.Casino_Royale said:I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
If Labour do pick Khan, and the Tories Goldsmith, we're on for a good fight.
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Innocent_Abroad said:
Goldsmith will win easily.Casino_Royale said:I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
If Labour do pick Khan, and the Tories Goldsmith, we're on for a good fight.
Yep - against Khan he'll be a shoe-in.Innocent_Abroad said:
Goldsmith will win easily.Casino_Royale said:I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
If Labour do pick Khan, and the Tories Goldsmith, we're on for a good fight.
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Confirmed in RNS this morningDecrepitJohnL said:OT Ladbrokes and Corals are said to be in merger talks.
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It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.0
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It's always played at a neutral posture outside of election campaigns.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
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I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.0
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Shadsy to take over Clueless Corals political desk? Darn. That was a good earner for me.DecrepitJohnL said:OT Ladbrokes and Corals are said to be in merger talks.
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And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.0 -
Would anyone read the Standard now, if it wasn't given away free?Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.0 -
Labour led by 9% in London this year, so I agree that it would be a major achievement to lose.SouthamObserver said:It would be a real achievement for Labour to lose the London mayoral election next year, but it looks like they're going to give it their best shot. Khan is not so much mad or bad as utterly uninspiring and dispiriting. If he runs he will be defeated should the Tories choose a half decent candidate. Let's hope they go with Sol or Karren, but sadly there is only one Stupid Party in British politics these days.
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I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
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The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
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She's not quite as pro-Labour IRL.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
Plus she's quite pretty, so that's a plus.0 -
Which bit about the imminent slaughter of up to 500,000 civilians justifies inverted commas?Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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Hatred of anyone who isn't privileged by accident of birth is a precondition of commenting here, SO. You ought to know that by nowSouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
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Her tone is pretty whiney though, and that irritates more than the content, tbh.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
I don't think I've ever read anything positive she's written about the world0 -
Most of those in, or coming out of Libya are not Libyan. They come from the Middle East conflicts and Central / East Africa (though no doubt though there are probably some Libyans involved.)Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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Now now, that'll force plenty of people go all four Yorkshiremanin retaliation. Now when I was a a lad, times was tough...Innocent_Abroad said:
Hatred of anyone who isn't privileged by accident of birth is a precondition of commenting here, SO. You ought to know that by nowSouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.0 -
Labour invite in hundreds of thousands to London. Meanwhile under their planning and finance allocations only tens of thousands of homes are built in London. This increases property prices and rental rates. The chattering classes want more immigrants and lower property prices. These are illogical positions that Urwin and Toynbee do not understand.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
PS Urwin moans about BuyTo Let at a time when London 's property market has some of the lowest returns on property investment for BTL. Sensible BTL landlords avoid London.
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In particular many are Eritrean or Sudanese. Places where no Western intervention occurred or was contemplated.Moses_ said:
Most of those in, or coming out of Libya are not Libyan. They come from the Middle East conflicts and Central / East Africa (though no doubt though there are probably some Libyans involved.)Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
No need for us to screw up these countries for them, they are past masters at it.0 -
Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
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"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.0 -
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500,000! Why pluck that number out of the thin air?Charles said:
Which bit about the imminent slaughter of up to 500,000 civilians justifies inverted commas?Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/02/01/hillarys-war/
We certainly didn't intervene in the Ukraine or Bahrain when the governments there started killing their own people. The extraordinary thing is after the debacle of Iraq that Cameron followed up with Libya and Syria, history will not be kind.0 -
'construed'? There was a humanitarian crisis and it seems to me there would still have been refugees sailing across the med had we done nothingChris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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True, they are African economic immigrants and certainly not refugees but Libya used to be a key barrier.Moses_ said:
Most of those in, or coming out of Libya are not Libyan. They come from the Middle East conflicts and Central / East Africa (though no doubt though there are probably some Libyans involved.)Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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What an incredibly sexist comment, even for some of the wilder corners of PB!BannedInParis said:
She's not quite as pro-Labour IRL.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
Plus she's quite pretty, so that's a plus.0 -
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For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
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"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.0 -
You know Labour's gone totally batshit crazy when a vicious old doctrinaire lefty like Margaret Hodge can be described, apparently seriously, as being "on the right of the party".0
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Really; I'd like to leave the EU, but join Schengen.Flightpathl said:Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.
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Maybe she's changed her opinions. People do, you know.Bond_James_Bond said:You know Labour's gone totally batshit crazy when a vicious old doctrinaire lefty like Margaret Hodge can be described, apparently seriously, as being "on the right of the party".
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A new poll for ORB in the Independent has In leading 55/45%. Voters aged 45 and above support Out.0
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Not at all. Every country in the EU is a democracy, and the trend over time is for the democratic structures in the EU to become stronger. There is always some tension in balancing the will of the majority against minority rights and protections.nigel4england said:
For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
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"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.
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I fear this selection is the weakest link in Henry's trifecta of Cooper/Watson and Mr Khan.
Khan appears to be the Ed Miliband selection for mayor candidate - with dirtier laundry.
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It will be a very one sided fight. Khan has a very narrow appeal in London and Goldsmith will be like Boris and reach into Labour's soft centrist voter base. No way that Khan could beat Goldsmith and Labour would be insane to pick him, but since they picked Ed to go up against Dave I could see it happen anyway.Casino_Royale said:I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
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Its worth reading the ES article - what actually was said is a little different from Mr Manson's gloss and the Khan campaign's OUTRAGE response:
Asked whether candidates could be recruiting groups of union members and other interested parties, including from mosques, he replied: "Every candidate will be encouraging their supporters to join as registered supporters. The party will be monitoring this process closely.
"My understanding is that everyone should be individually registered.... There should be no group joining to minimise those abuses."
So who brought 'muslims' to the discussion:
A spokesman for Sadiq Khan, said: "It is deeply offensive to all Londoners that Len Duvall has singled out the Muslim community in his endorsement of Tessa Jowell. We would hope that Tessa distances herself from these comments immediately. You can't become Mayor by dividing London and Londoners."
"If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
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Wrong yet again.Flightpathl said:
Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
Schengen is s specific treaty unconnected with any other agreements. There is absolutely no reason why negotiating any trade deal would force us to join Schengen. That is simply more of your pathetic scare mongering.0 -
It was construed because there was a largely Islamist uprising backed by former Gaddafi loyalists that took up arms, initiated a revolt and were about to be crushed militarily when foreign powers intervened on the pretext of a "humanitarian disaster." Ironically, it was this intervention that gave rise to a real humanitarian disaster (even Henry Kissinger has acknowledged that)... Otherwise, the rebels would have been defeated and before long Gaddafi senior would have retired to make way for his son who would have been more of a moderniser and less of a clown than his father. Without doubt, Libya would have been much better off than it is today.Flightpathl said:
'construed'? There was a humanitarian crisis and it seems to me there would still have been refugees sailing across the med had we done nothingChris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
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Isn't joining Schengen a requirement of all new EU members?Richard_Tyndall said:
Schengen is s specific treaty unconnected with any other agreements. There is absolutely no reason why negotiating any trade deal would force us to join Schengen. That is simply more of your pathetic scare mongering.Flightpathl said:
Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
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Reading the comments on that March 2013 is instructive, if a little confusing at times owing to some posts having been deleted.0
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@TheScreamingEagles This is very relevant for political betting ! Not sure why you've flagged the post...DecrepitJohnL said:OT Ladbrokes and Corals are said to be in merger talks.
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@BBCLondon949: .@ZacGoldsmith due to reveal at noon whether his Richmond Park constituents have backed him to run for Mayor of London next year0
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Oops, I blame scrolling on a touch screen phone whilst half awake.Pulpstar said:
@TheScreamingEagles This is very relevant for political betting ! Not sure why you've flagged the post...DecrepitJohnL said:OT Ladbrokes and Corals are said to be in merger talks.
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Frequently getting more 'small c' conservative with age - some of them even 'big C' Conservative.Innocent_Abroad said:
Maybe she's changed her opinions. People do, you know.Bond_James_Bond said:You know Labour's gone totally batshit crazy when a vicious old doctrinaire lefty like Margaret Hodge can be described, apparently seriously, as being "on the right of the party".
Hence the failure of 'The Tory Party will die out'.........which I've been hearing for at least three decades....0 -
Hang on. You are the one who has been complaining about the Referendum and saying this should have been decided by Parliament. Of course there is a strong suspicion that if it had looked at all likely Parliament would have voted for us to leave you would be moaning about how it should not be allowed without a referendum.foxinsoxuk said:
Not at all. Every country in the EU is a democracy, and the trend over time is for the democratic structures in the EU to become stronger. There is always some tension in balancing the will of the majority against minority rights and protections.nigel4england said:
For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.
We shall shortly see whether the democratically expressed wish of the UK voter is to remain in the EU.0 -
Yeah, I wonder. Not!Scott_P said:@BBCLondon949: .@ZacGoldsmith due to reveal at noon whether his Richmond Park constituents have backed him to run for Mayor of London next year
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As usual it pays to invest on the basis of Henry G's advice.With Sadiq and other ante-post bets at long double-figure prices,the opportunity invariably presents for an opening position which can be traded down the line via a lay off arb and the joys of a green screen.
I've layed currently to leave a no-lose status on Sadiq as better arbs may be available over time as his price contracts.
Reason is I still expect Tessa Jowell to win because of the primary equality priority,not racism or homophobia,is womens' equality.The one vision left of the TV debates was the 3 female leaders of the SNP,PC and the Greens having a group hug after going to shake Ed Miliband's hand,meaning the sisterhood are back in business,united across parties.It just may have left the electorate thinking "I want one",particularly while Harriet Harman is holding the reigns and which party would not benefit from a woman leader? Hillary is going to need friends here,too,to share the world stage with and what party would not benefit from an all woman shortlist for leadership positions? This is why I also think Ruth Davidson is the punt.If Jeremy Corbyn was overpriced at 100-1,surely she is too.
Anyone who missed out on the 100-1 on JC,there's another to go with 100-1 Kirsty Williams.Owen Pateson is still available at 66-1,very popular with mature traditionalists,just as JC is with Labour.He's likely to make the starting line.All have better probabilities than the price reflects.If not winners,then providing a valuable tradeable asset.
Backers of Sadiq Khan at long odds need to consider also backing the 7-4 available on Tessa Jowell which is another way of a no-lose bet or greening up.0 -
So Labour looking for a re-run of the racially divisive campaign of last time - presumably with a bit of extra spice this time?0
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Technically, all EU members (and a number of non EU members) are either members of either Schengen or the Common Travel Area.CarlottaVance said:
Isn't joining Schengen a requirement of all new EU members?Richard_Tyndall said:
Schengen is s specific treaty unconnected with any other agreements. There is absolutely no reason why negotiating any trade deal would force us to join Schengen. That is simply more of your pathetic scare mongering.Flightpathl said:
Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
If so, it is an issue for an independent Scotland.
Scotland would become a member of the Common Travel Area, joining the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Balliwicks of Jersey and Guernsey.0 -
That's precisely my point. It's her sparkling personality. Her columns are full of cynicism, sarcasm and thinly-disguised resentment. They are also quite anti-men.Charles said:
Her tone is pretty whiney though, and that irritates more than the content, tbh.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
I don't think I've ever read anything positive she's written about the world
She then writes wistfully as Valentine's Day approaches about how she won't get any cards, but will have her dog for company, but isn't of course really that bothered as she's a proud and independent woman. She utterly fails to see any connection.0 -
What a stupid thing to say.Innocent_Abroad said:
Hatred of anyone who isn't privileged by accident of birth is a precondition of commenting here, SO. You ought to know that by nowSouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
I don't hate her, I hate very few people indeed, I just find her columns irritating. I think the Standard could do better.0 -
I am from the same generation. She absolutely does not speak for me, and I'd implore all politicians to ignore such resentful and miserable whining.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.0 -
At 33-1 Kahn was undoubtedly a great trading bet and well done to Henry as usual in spotting the value but what has he done that makes him a good candidate for London Mayor?
It seems to me that to suggest he has a superficial intelligence is somewhat generous and suggests a depth that is just not there. Maybe a patina of intelligence?
It would be part of a somewhat sad trend if this is as good as Labour think they can do. Jowell is frankly boring (despite the leather jacket the other day) but she is solid, competent and has played a part in delivering a massive project in London.0 -
Jez We Can
Why are we so certain that Jeremy Corbyn can't win?
There is a path to victory for Jeremy Corbyn. A fraught one, but it's there.
http://bit.ly/1ddjOKD0 -
Yes it is. And yes it would be an issue for Scotland and therefore indirectly for England. But it is not a requirement of either EFTA membership nor of course a free trade agreement. So it would not, ad Flightpath claims, be an issue when negotiating a deal.CarlottaVance said:
Isn't joining Schengen a requirement of all new EU members?Richard_Tyndall said:
Schengen is s specific treaty unconnected with any other agreements. There is absolutely no reason why negotiating any trade deal would force us to join Schengen. That is simply more of your pathetic scare mongering.Flightpathl said:
Its Schengen that is insanity. If we walk out of the EU the real danger is we would have to sign up to be part of any trade deal. As it is we are securely out. Originally the agreement operated independently from the EU now it is part of EU legislation. Any new member must join - this is something that the SNP seem to forget when they talk about leaving the UK only to join the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
If so, it is an issue for an independent Scotland.0 -
Just in time to resign over Heathrow expansion (report due in days apparently).TheWhiteRabbit said:
Yeah, I wonder. Not!Scott_P said:@BBCLondon949: .@ZacGoldsmith due to reveal at noon whether his Richmond Park constituents have backed him to run for Mayor of London next year
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At the moment, I'm leaning Khan myself, but I think Henry overstates the Blair aspect - Jowell won the "female" nomination against Abbott from my huge and very left-wing Islington North CLP and I've not heard anyone mention Blairism as a factor among the numerous London Labour members that I've talked to. It's a pre-2010 quarrel and life moves on.
I agree with Henry that any hint of anti-Muslim campaigning would be a killer in the party, but Carlotta's quote sounds harmless if that's the whole story - I wouldn't be surprised if the journalist span the quote to the Khan spokesman so that he was responding to something that hadn't been said.0 -
Oh Lord
Just checking through my old bets and have found £10 on Zac at 33s 0 -
GO ZAC0
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I suspect anyone would be seen as boring after 8 years of Boris!DavidL said:At 33-1 Kahn was undoubtedly a great trading bet and well done to Henry as usual in spotting the value but what has he done that makes him a good candidate for London Mayor?
It seems to me that to suggest he has a superficial intelligence is somewhat generous and suggests a depth that is just not there. Maybe a patina of intelligence?
It would be part of a somewhat sad trend if this is as good as Labour think they can do. Jowell is frankly boring (despite the leather jacket the other day) but she is solid, competent and has played a part in delivering a massive project in London.
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FPT - part of the reason IDS' majority looks quite small is the seat is undersized at 67k. In the aborted boundary review the initial plan was for a Chingford and Edmonton seat which was pretty unpopular all round!
There is a huge disparity in the electorates in NE London, which means all parties will have to fight hard at the boundary review:
Chingford - 67k
Walthamstow - 67k
Leyton - 65k
Ilford N - 78k
Ilford S - 95k
W Ham - 91k
E Ham - 87k
Barking - 74k
Dagenham - 69k
Hornchurch - 79k
Romford - 73k
If the 600 seat plan goes ahead the average seat should have 75k electors, which means the area could still keep 11 seats but there would have to be a big shuffle around e.g.
Wathamstow gains 10k from Leyton which in turn gains 22k from W Ham
W Ham gains 9k from E Ham
Chingford gains 10k from Ilford N which in turn gains 9k from Ilford S
Dagenham gains 8k from Barking which in turn gains 11k from Ilford S
Romford gains 3k from Honchurch0 -
She would undoubtedly agree with that. But can no man comment that he finds a woman columnist attractive anymore, and vice-versa?OldKingCole said:
What an incredibly sexist comment, even for some of the wilder corners of PB!BannedInParis said:
She's not quite as pro-Labour IRL.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
Plus she's quite pretty, so that's a plus.0 -
GenuineOldKingCole said:
What an incredibly sexist comment, even for some of the wilder corners of PB!BannedInParis said:
She's not quite as pro-Labour IRL.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
Plus she's quite pretty, so that's a plus.
at that.
I can tell her next time I see her that you're a fan.0 -
It would probably hinge on turnout. I could see it being very close.MaxPB said:
It will be a very one sided fight. Khan has a very narrow appeal in London and Goldsmith will be like Boris and reach into Labour's soft centrist voter base. No way that Khan could beat Goldsmith and Labour would be insane to pick him, but since they picked Ed to go up against Dave I could see it happen anyway.Casino_Royale said:I suppose it's pointless to point out that whilst I'm repelled by Khan, as a centre-right voter, I feel decidedly ambivalent about Jowell? She's just the sort of Labour figure they need more of.
If Labour do pick Khan, and the Tories Goldsmith, we're on for a good fight.0 -
Greyhound racing always springs to mind with this lot !GarethoftheVale2 said:FPT - part of the reason IDS' majority looks quite small is the seat is undersized at 67k. In the aborted boundary review the initial plan was for a Chingford and Edmonton seat which was pretty unpopular all round!
There is a huge disparity in the electorates in NE London, which means all parties will have to fight hard at the boundary review:
Chingford - 67k
Walthamstow - 67k
Leyton - 65k
Ilford N - 78k
Ilford S - 95k
W Ham - 91k
E Ham - 87k
Barking - 74k
Dagenham - 69k
Hornchurch - 79k
Romford - 73k
If the 600 seat plan goes ahead the average seat should have 75k electors, which means the area could still keep 11 seats but there would have to be a big shuffle around e.g.
Wathamstow gains 10k from Leyton which in turn gains 22k from W Ham
W Ham gains 9k from E Ham
Chingford gains 10k from Ilford N which in turn gains 9k from Ilford S
Dagenham gains 8k from Barking which in turn gains 11k from Ilford S
Romford gains 3k from Honchurch0 -
Cha-Ching! Well done.Pulpstar said:Oh Lord
Just checking through my old bets and have found £10 on Zac at 33s0 -
Mush as I'd enjoy Labour picking a losing candidate, there's also the substantial risk they'd get elected - which is why I too would prefer Jowell - the Olympics were a considerable success, and while how much was down individually to Jowell is unknowable, and may be 'not very much' - at least she was there and helped make it happen - and was seen to be rooting for 'London' - not 'Labour'. In a previous life we used a simple recruiting criterion - 'Has done - will do'.DavidL said:It would be part of a somewhat sad trend if this is as good as Labour think they can do. Jowell is frankly boring (despite the leather jacket the other day) but she is solid, competent and has played a part in delivering a massive project in London.
What has Khan done? (May be a lot - but I'm not aware of it).0 -
I've had a few hours sleep, maybe I'll get my facts right now!Pulpstar said:
Greyhound racing always springs to mind with this lot !GarethoftheVale2 said:FPT - part of the reason IDS' majority looks quite small is the seat is undersized at 67k. In the aborted boundary review the initial plan was for a Chingford and Edmonton seat which was pretty unpopular all round!
There is a huge disparity in the electorates in NE London, which means all parties will have to fight hard at the boundary review:
Chingford - 67k
Walthamstow - 67k
Leyton - 65k
Ilford N - 78k
Ilford S - 95k
W Ham - 91k
E Ham - 87k
Barking - 74k
Dagenham - 69k
Hornchurch - 79k
Romford - 73k
If the 600 seat plan goes ahead the average seat should have 75k electors, which means the area could still keep 11 seats but there would have to be a big shuffle around e.g.
Wathamstow gains 10k from Leyton which in turn gains 22k from W Ham
W Ham gains 9k from E Ham
Chingford gains 10k from Ilford N which in turn gains 9k from Ilford S
Dagenham gains 8k from Barking which in turn gains 11k from Ilford S
Romford gains 3k from Honchurch
Is there a good site for seeing what areas are in what seat at the moment?
Stratford is booming, the sooner it moves into the Leyton seat the better.0 -
Well this has got something to offend everyone....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3134756/No-wonder-student-protests-turn-brawls-Left-wingers-t-control-conservatives-claims-study.html0 -
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1345199362/AaRos_400x400.jpg
Sure i saw this person in TSE's harem0 -
Hm! SK is a bit sensitive isn't he. Perhaps if he was elected, then the problems of Tower Hamlets et al may not see the light of day in future but would be quietly buried/ignored.
Just came across this year-old article by 'american thinker'. Probably most of it is still relevant with lots yet to discover.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/muslim_council_and_electoral_corruption_in_the_uk.html
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The mayoralty looks to be a 3 horse race at the moment. Perhaps 10% ? chance of it NOT being Goldsmith, Jowell or Khan.
If I was a bookie I'd take the top 3 to 100% book...
Zac 7-4;
Jowell 12-5;
Khan 2-1.
Top price on the others...
14s on Lammy;
30s on De Bois
Not offering those prices before anyone asks !
Of the prices right now, the 7-2 on Khan at 888 represents a bit of value if anyone is late to the party.
9-4 Conservatives is decent too, and covers a shock there... slightly better than 5-2 Zac.
Jowell is available at 3-1 - but top price Labour winning party is 1-2. That means the 7-4 that SkyBet is offering on Jowell's candidacy is actually slightly better.
So to summarise the best value right now on the realistic contenders is:
Khan 7-2 mayoralty @ 888
Conservatives 9-4 @ Skybet
Jowell Labour nomination 7-4 @ Skybet.0 -
Are you the chief eunuch then?bigjohnowls said:https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1345199362/AaRos_400x400.jpg
Sure i saw this person in TSE's harem0 -
How can Sadiq Khan have "unity" as a theme with a straight face? He fully embraces the idea of multiculturalism, splitting the electorate more and more into little groups, and wants to go as far as having racial preferences in government hiring. He would be a highly divisive mayor, and would replicate the Tower Hamlets divide city-wide.0
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The population was 630,000 in 2011 (Wiki).FalseFlag said:
500,000! Why pluck that number out of the thin air?Charles said:
Which bit about the imminent slaughter of up to 500,000 civilians justifies inverted commas?Chris123 said:
And don't forget the construed conflict in Libya where a major humanitarian crisis - the consequences of which we are still very much seeing today - was created on the pretext of a "humanitarian" intervention with the support by both Labour and the Conservatives.Flightpathl said:I continue to be amazed that Iraq 2003 continues to dominate the Labour Party when the real disgrace was the botched way we entered Afghanistan in 2006.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/02/01/hillarys-war/
We certainly didn't intervene in the Ukraine or Bahrain when the governments there started killing their own people. The extraordinary thing is after the debacle of Iraq that Cameron followed up with Libya and Syria, history will not be kind.
The stories at the time - and I have to share nothing beyond press reports - were that the civilian population was under threat.0 -
I think Referenda are poor ways of making decisions on complex issues, but if we are to have one will tespect the result.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hang on. You are the one who has been complaining about the Referendum and saying this should have been decided by Parliament. Of course there is a strong suspicion that if it had looked at all likely Parliament would have voted for us to leave you would be moaning about how it should not be allowed without a referendum.foxinsoxuk said:
Not at all. Every country in the EU is a democracy, and the trend over time is for the democratic structures in the EU to become stronger. There is always some tension in balancing the will of the majority against minority rights and protections.nigel4england said:
For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.
We shall shortly see whether the democratically expressed wish of the UK voter is to remain in the EU.0 -
Of course - which is why he will never be Mayor of London.JEO said:How can Sadiq Khan have "unity" as a theme with a straight face? He fully embraces the idea of multiculturalism, splitting the electorate more and more into little groups, and wants to go as far as having racial preferences in government hiring. He would be a highly divisive mayor, and would replicate the Tower Hamlets divide city-wide.
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I am also from the same generation. I find her a dreadful columnist. It's quite rare that I actually check a columnist's name, but I only do it when the column is extremely good or extremely poor. I would say the majority of bad columns I read are written by her.Casino_Royale said:
I am from the same generation. She absolutely does not speak for me, and I'd implore all politicians to ignore such resentful and miserable whining.SouthamObserver said:
I completely disagree. She is an authentic voice of Generation Rent and lives the life she writes about. Whoever hired her was very astute. Her stuff reflects a major strand of the London experience.Casino_Royale said:
Rosamund Urwin is by far the most irritating one. She writes like an understudy to Polly Toynbee. Her columns also ooze bitterness.SouthamObserver said:It's also worth noting that the Standard is nowhere near as overtly pro-Tory as it was in Ken v Boris days. It still leans right, but it's reporting is far less skewed than it used to be and there are plenty of pro-Labour columnists.
I can't recall ever agreeing with her on anything she's ever said.
It's an insult to Polly Toynbee to be compared. I disagree with Toynbee a lot, but she has some level of deeper philosophy and thought behind her sentiments. Urwin is just reactively anti-Tory and incredibly smug. She ridicules anyone that has right of centre views to be written off as selfish/evil/reactionary/an idiot. She's emblematic of the mindset that lost Labour the election: people of like mind talking to themselves about how righteous they are, without stopping to check if the bulk of the public agree with them.0 -
the really offensive thing is that they can get that kind of pish published in a "respectable" scientific journalCarlottaVance said:Well this has got something to offend everyone....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3134756/No-wonder-student-protests-turn-brawls-Left-wingers-t-control-conservatives-claims-study.html0 -
On Sadiq Khan, why does someone that grew up in south London support Liverpool?0
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Goldsmith at 1-2 with Paddy for the Tory nomination is technically value I think...0
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That's only credible if the election is free and fair, which the government is doing its best to avoid. You can't have the taxpayer fund one side in a referendum, and then expect the other side to accept a defeat as legitimate.foxinsoxuk said:
I think Referenda are poor ways of making decisions on complex issues, but if we are to have one will tespect the result.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hang on. You are the one who has been complaining about the Referendum and saying this should have been decided by Parliament. Of course there is a strong suspicion that if it had looked at all likely Parliament would have voted for us to leave you would be moaning about how it should not be allowed without a referendum.foxinsoxuk said:
Not at all. Every country in the EU is a democracy, and the trend over time is for the democratic structures in the EU to become stronger. There is always some tension in balancing the will of the majority against minority rights and protections.nigel4england said:
For reasons I will never understand some people on here seem to love the EU.Moses_ said:The utter madness that is the EU
Daily Telegraph
.
"Greek debt crisis: hopes of a deal in next 48 hours as Tsipras must sell the plan at home - live
A glimmer of hope as EU leaders aim to finalise deal by Thursday which includes plans to hike taxes and reform pensions."
Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.....?
Meanwhile across the channel Also from the Daily Telegraph...
"France must provoke 'diplomatic incident' with UK over migrants, says Calais mayor"
"Calais mayor Natacha Bouchart calls on French government to spark "diplomatic incident" with UK over migrant crisis, saying Britain must either adopte Schengen border rules or "leave" the EU."
The French want to move their problem because they agree to Schengen onto us who do not. No thought of why these people are on French soil, in a safe country and can claim asylum. No sireee !! It is the entire fault of the " Ros Beefs " just move them on to the UK because we the French have such crap border controls.
The EU and the Euro is just insanity.
They must hate democracy.
We shall shortly see whether the democratically expressed wish of the UK voter is to remain in the EU.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Khan's ethnic quotas proposal is despicable. It also puts Labour in a bad position if he gets their nomination.
Either he fails, in which case the new Labour leader starts their term with a significant loss, or he wins, and his ethnic quotas and other such nonsense will be rightly attacked by all and sundry for four years or so.0 -
If he wins that'll be in line to be PB betting tip of the year, for markets settled in 2015.
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If Labour goes with Khan over Tessa they are mad...0
