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This afternoon it’s been announced that a further six MPs have come out and said they are backing Yvette Cooper – a move that reminds me of Henry H Manson’s words on the site ten days ago about her having the best organised campaign.
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Quite agree, I've been buying shares in Yvette recently too !
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40-45 is better, but hardly significantly better in terms of overall fairness. As I've made clear before, I want a more proportional and, I believe, fairer system, but that does not in itself make the Tories now or Labour then or anyone else imposing their manifestos 'illegitimate' as the system permits that and the system is not illegitimate, it is just unfair.Dair said:
Only Blair's third term comes close to being as lacking in legitimacy. All other UK governments have held over 40% of the popular vote, the vast bulk of them well over 45%.kle4 said:
Until such time as we vote 37% who want to change the electoral system (but will have to use the broken system and their tyranny of the minority to impose the change), we can do little but whinge about it. I'm not holding my breath. The only limited solace is it is not more in princple unfair than previous governments.Dair said:
It was not elected by the UK. It polled 37% of the vote and a broken and corrupt electoral system let it impose the Tyrany of the Minority.TCPoliticalBetting said:
That was one of the most point less discussions to be held. No acknowledgement by the 3 opposition parties that the Govt was elected by the UK to implement its manifesto. Farron clearly very comfortable smearing the tories with inflamatory language, let us hope that the Lib Dems choose him and be led to a new descent into oblivion.TCPoliticalBetting said:BBC balance on R4 WATO 3 v 1.
Lib Dems Farron, Labour's Chuka and an SNP lady all attack the one Conservative person.
If its ok to have a party of 8 (LDs) then what about the DUP?
But that's almost beside the point. The point is that anyone claiming the Tories have a legitimate claim to impose their manifesto on the UK because it was voted for fall at this simple test. After all 45% of Scotland voted for Independence, a significantly higher level of support than the current UK government has.
One might argue that any system that is unfair is illegitimate, but that I think is a more abstract point which, while not irrelevant, does not directly impact the actual illegitimacy of the system as it is, as much as I believe it should be changed. If the people have not elected in representatives to change that system, they have implicitly accepted the outcomes made possible by that system as legitimate.
Maybe we are close the point where enough people will vote for representatives who do want to change the system that the legitimacy can be challenged, but at present as unfair as it appears to me, I cannot question the legitimacy of this government or the past Blair government to govern as they did onthe vote they received.0 -
I agree.
Simon Burns, giving a fine speech.0 -
The US FIFA investigation apparently goes back to the 1990s.
It's actually getting some coverage on the US sports networks.0 -
Yet Liz Kendall is blue on oddschecker. Has something happened during the Queen's Speech?0
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Ooops forgot to include the NI Unionists in my Right-wing seats tally.
So right-wing popular vote = 50.5% (Con, UKIP, DUP, UUP and TUV)
Right-wing seats at Westminster = 341 (52.5% of 650)
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This will be very interesting in how it plays out. It is of note that the investigation is in the US, where white-collar criminals can expect big jail terms. My guess is that those they've arrested will be given the choice of either a 20 year stretch or testifying against Blatter.Tim_B said:The US FIFA investigation apparently goes back to the 1990s.
It's actually getting some coverage on the US sports networks.0 -
This thread has knocked a point off Yvette already.0
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The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.0
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DecrepitJohnL said:
Yet Liz Kendall is blue on oddschecker. Has something happened during the Queen's Speech?
This thread and those 6 declarations will do that.DecrepitJohnL said:This thread has knocked a point off Yvette already.
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Yes, Yvette is too long. The Isabel Harman paragraph which Mike quotes is perhaps even more significant than the MPs' endorsements.
Of course, to benefit from second-preferences in an AV system you need to ensure you're not eliminated on first preferences, which makes it rather a lottery. Nonetheless, you can envisage a possible route for Yvette to win this contest, even if things don't change very much, whereby Liz Kendall is eliminated first and Yvette picks up the bulk of her supporters' 2nd prefs.
At the moment, it seems to me that punters are giving insufficient weight to the organisational advantage of Yvette over Liz (and to a lesser extent over Andy), and also to the fact that the electorate in this contest are largely much more left-wing than Liz. There's also the union aspect, which remains key to the contest: the unions may prefer Andy to Yvette, but even more so they'll prefer Yvette to Liz.0 -
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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Godwin!justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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9 FIFA officials and 5 corporate executives indicted in federal court in Brooklyn on racketeering conspiracy and corruption charges. Defendants include 2 current FIFA vice presidents, and current and former presidents of CONCACAF. They are accused of accepting bribes and kick-backs between the early 1990s and now.
Even ESPN is covering the DOJ press conference at 10.30 ET0 -
@Richard_Nabavi Some others here have been using "Waffen Yes Yes" and "Yestapo" terms though. We must ensure sauce for goose and gander alike.0
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justin124 said:
The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
For a different perspective, The Economist:
"The prime minister is in a delightfully strong position. And if, despite the efforts of his party’s cantankerous wing, he succeeds, he could open up to his party new segments of the electorate beyond its southern, middle-class strongholds. Labour is downtrodden, faces months of internal debate and may tilt left. The Lib Dems have been reduced to a tiny, traumatised rump. The centre ground is there for the taking. A decade after he first set his sights on it, Mr Cameron has a chance to seize it."
http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21651201-emboldened-and-strengthened-his-electoral-triumph-prime-minister-sets-out-finish-what0 -
Maybe Dair considers Narendra Modi as a "pretender" to the Indian PM'ship, having gained a majority on only 31% of the vote roughly a year ago.0
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Dair said: " Only Blair's third term comes close to being as lacking in legitimacy. All other UK governments have held over 40% of the popular vote, the vast bulk of them well over 45%.
But that's almost beside the point. The point is that anyone claiming the Tories have a legitimate claim to impose their manifesto on the UK because it was voted for fall at this simple test. After all 45% of Scotland voted for Independence, a significantly higher level of support than the current UK government has."
In 2007 the SNP formed the entire Scottish govt with just 32%/31% of the votes. So Dair must have protested about the illegitamacy of that bunch who came in with less than the current UK govt.0 -
What are you basing your left/right on?Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Ooops forgot to include the NI Unionists in my Right-wing seats tally.
So right-wing popular vote = 50.5% (Con, UKIP, DUP, UUP and TUV)
Right-wing seats at Westminster = 341 (52.5% of 650)
I had assumed on Economic stance. But now you add in the very left wing socialist DUP. Not being very consistent now, are you.0 -
Despite voting Lab on May 7th, I'm actually "supremely relaxed" that Cameron has an overall majority
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There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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These PB Tories don't like it up 'em.Pulpstar said:@Richard_Nabavi Some others here have been using "Waffen Yes Yes" and "Yestapo" terms though. We must ensure sauce for goose and gander alike.
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Alternatively, not a single UK government had over 45% since 1966. Not Blair, not Thatcher.TCPoliticalBetting said:Dair said: " Only Blair's third term comes close to being as lacking in legitimacy. All other UK governments have held over 40% of the popular vote, the vast bulk of them well over 45%.
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News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
Oh no - I think you will find that imposed human suffering leading to starvation and rotting on the streets is much the preferred option.TheScreamingEagles said:
Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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No, Justin, I am afraid that you are merely exposing your own, quite disgusting, lack of moral coherence. Gassing millions of people is 'pure evil'. A modest change to prevent innocent members of the public being held to ransom by small groups of public sector workers is, by no conceivable stretch of any sane imagination, 'pure evil', or comparable to totalitarian states.justin124 said:There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.
By all means oppose it, but don't get morally insane in the process.
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That'll do me.justin124 said:
Oh no - I think you will find that imposed human suffering leading to starvation and rotting on the streets is much the preferred option.TheScreamingEagles said:
Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
Dave's been such a disappointment so far on that front.0 -
'pure evil'? You're having a laugh.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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In 2007 the SNP formed a MINORITY government and passed no legislation without the support of either Labour (rare) or at least two other parties. At any point during that government, they could have been brought down by the Tories, Liberals and Labour acting together. That's kind of the point. If you are miles from a plurality of votes you don't get a majority of seats.TCPoliticalBetting said:Dair said: " Only Blair's third term comes close to being as lacking in legitimacy. All other UK governments have held over 40% of the popular vote, the vast bulk of them well over 45%.
But that's almost beside the point. The point is that anyone claiming the Tories have a legitimate claim to impose their manifesto on the UK because it was voted for fall at this simple test. After all 45% of Scotland voted for Independence, a significantly higher level of support than the current UK government has."
In 2007 the SNP formed the entire Scottish govt with just 32%/31% of the votes. So Dair must have protested about the illegitamacy of that bunch who came in with less than the current UK govt.0 -
"Pure evil". Hilarious. Where do ISIS and Pol Pot lie on this bizarre scale?justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
[Edit: Have I (well, we) been trolled? Good effort if so. If not, send for a private-sector nurse immediately.]0 -
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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I agree that the Conservative government is legitimate, and my feeling is that a substantial majority of the voters accept its legitimacy.kle4 said:One might argue that any system that is unfair is illegitimate, but that I think is a more abstract point which, while not irrelevant, does not directly impact the actual illegitimacy of the system as it is, as much as I believe it should be changed. If the people have not elected in representatives to change that system, they have implicitly accepted the outcomes made possible by that system as legitimate.
However, I do think it is still perfectly acceptable to challenge the government on the implementation of its manifesto commitments, and the response of "We've won a majority, thus you can't complain about us implementing our manifesto" doesn't wash. If critics of a particular policy can put together a coherent argument, which motivates public opposition to that policy, then I think there comes a point where the government has to give way, regardless of its legitimacy.
One of the challenges of Opposition is identifying those areas of policy on which to try to fight to win a climbdown, where to fight only for amendments, and where not, all the time while trying to create a coherent narrative of what your alternative government would look like.
No Opposition can simply turn round and say that the electorate has voted for the government's manifesto and they won't be opposing any of it.0 -
Blair resigns as peace envoy.0
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British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair. And rallies - nice days out for the family.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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I suspect @justin124 is on holiday from CiF and thinks he's doing missionary work. On behalf of the SWP?0
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Quite. It is the job of every MP to hold the Government to account even those of their own party. In the end it is MPs not Government's who should decide if legislation passes or falls.OblitusSumMe said:
I agree that the Conservative government is legitimate, and my feeling is that a substantial majority of the voters accept its legitimacy.kle4 said:One might argue that any system that is unfair is illegitimate, but that I think is a more abstract point which, while not irrelevant, does not directly impact the actual illegitimacy of the system as it is, as much as I believe it should be changed. If the people have not elected in representatives to change that system, they have implicitly accepted the outcomes made possible by that system as legitimate.
However, I do think it is still perfectly acceptable to challenge the government on the implementation of its manifesto commitments, and the response of "We've won a majority, thus you can't complain about us implementing our manifesto" doesn't wash. If critics of a particular policy can put together a coherent argument, which motivates public opposition to that policy, then I think there comes a point where the government has to give way, regardless of its legitimacy.
One of the challenges of Opposition is identifying those areas of policy on which to try to fight to win a climbdown, where to fight only for amendments, and where not, all the time while trying to create a coherent narrative of what your alternative government would look like.
No Opposition can simply turn round and say that the electorate has voted for the government's manifesto and they won't be opposing any of it.
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Sounds painful.Anorak said:
British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
I'm definitely running my the SNP are the British Hamas piece this weekend now.0
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I'm in favour of more Ancient Romans running Dept of Transport myself.Anorak said:
British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair. And rallies - nice days out for the family.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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Brings to an end that piece of dark humour that someone thought was funny.TheScreamingEagles said:Blair resigns as peace envoy.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Blair resigns as peace envoy.
Well Labour will be needing a leader that can get them elected.
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He is now free to resume his role as war envoy.TheScreamingEagles said:Blair resigns as peace envoy.
When I say free...for a few millions.0 -
Stephen Daisley @JournoStephen
Harriet Harman's response to the #QueensSpeech is better than every speech Ed Miliband gave over five years, put together.0 -
Was one of them the TOREEEEEEEEEEEES?Dair said:
In 2007 the SNP formed a MINORITY government and passed no legislation without the support of either Labour (rare) or at least two other parties.TCPoliticalBetting said:Dair said: " Only Blair's third term comes close to being as lacking in legitimacy. All other UK governments have held over 40% of the popular vote, the vast bulk of them well over 45%.
But that's almost beside the point. The point is that anyone claiming the Tories have a legitimate claim to impose their manifesto on the UK because it was voted for fall at this simple test. After all 45% of Scotland voted for Independence, a significantly higher level of support than the current UK government has."
In 2007 the SNP formed the entire Scottish govt with just 32%/31% of the votes. So Dair must have protested about the illegitamacy of that bunch who came in with less than the current UK govt.
Why so coy?0 -
A fish rots from the head.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
The DUP left-wing? You're having a laugh aren't you? Seriously??Dair said:
What are you basing your left/right on?Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Ooops forgot to include the NI Unionists in my Right-wing seats tally.
So right-wing popular vote = 50.5% (Con, UKIP, DUP, UUP and TUV)
Right-wing seats at Westminster = 341 (52.5% of 650)
I had assumed on Economic stance. But now you add in the very left wing socialist DUP. Not being very consistent now, are you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
"Ideology: National conservatism[1], Social conservatism[2], British unionism, Euroscepticism[3]
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Even Hattie taking the piss out of the Edstone0
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That is a quite stunning example of spectacular bad taste and spectacular ignorance.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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Or no sauce for either perhaps.Pulpstar said:@Richard_Nabavi Some others here have been using "Waffen Yes Yes" and "Yestapo" terms though. We must ensure sauce for goose and gander alike.
That's totally reasonable. We need oppositions to challenge. Even to call unfair what they see as unfair. It was just the narrow question of legitimacy I don't think is as reasonable even if one thinks the system itself should be illegitimate or, as I do, that it should be changed.OblitusSumMe said:
I agree that the Conservative government is legitimate, and my feeling is that a substantial majority of the voters accept its legitimacy.kle4 said:One might argue that any system that is unfair is illegitimate, but that I think is a more abstract point which, while not irrelevant, does not directly impact the actual illegitimacy of the system as it is, as much as I believe it should be changed. If the people have not elected in representatives to change that system, they have implicitly accepted the outcomes made possible by that system as legitimate.
However, I do think it is still perfectly acceptable to challenge the government on the implementation of its manifesto commitments, and the response of "We've won a majority, thus you can't complain about us implementing our manifesto" doesn't wash. If critics of a particular policy can put together a coherent argument, which motivates public opposition to that policy, then I think there comes a point where the government has to give way, regardless of its legitimacy.
One of the challenges of Opposition is identifying those areas of policy on which to try to fight to win a climbdown, where to fight only for amendments, and where not, all the time while trying to create a coherent narrative of what your alternative government would look like.
No Opposition can simply turn round and say that the electorate has voted for the government's manifesto and they won't be opposing any of it.0 -
Don’t be silly - we don't have the money to straighten all the roads.
Plato said:I'm in favour of more Ancient Romans running Dept of Transport myself.
Anorak said:
British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair. And rallies - nice days out for the family.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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The SNP is not involvedwatford30 said:
A fish rots from the head.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges. 0 -
Just need the plea bargain...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
Opposed the 'bedroom tax' - right or left wing is of secondary concern in NI politics though. They agree with the Shinners that more cash for NI is needed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The DUP left-wing? You're having a laugh aren't you? Seriously??Dair said:
What are you basing your left/right on?Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Ooops forgot to include the NI Unionists in my Right-wing seats tally.
So right-wing popular vote = 50.5% (Con, UKIP, DUP, UUP and TUV)
Right-wing seats at Westminster = 341 (52.5% of 650)
I had assumed on Economic stance. But now you add in the very left wing socialist DUP. Not being very consistent now, are you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
"Ideology: National conservatism[1], Social conservatism[2], British unionism, Euroscepticism[3]
"Political position: Right-wing[4][5]"0 -
Imagine Salmond standing for president of FIFA.Tim_B said:
The SNP is not involvedwatford30 said:
A fish rots from the head.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.
Perhaps that's why Blair's resigned from peacemaking, to free himself up for duties to football?0 -
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazereek said:
Just need the plea bargain...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
I thought it was the SDLP and not the DUP that helped SF block the Welfare Bill this week?Pulpstar said:
Opposed the 'bedroom tax' - right or left wing is of secondary concern in NI politics though. They agree with the Shinners that more cash for NI is needed.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The DUP left-wing? You're having a laugh aren't you? Seriously??Dair said:
What are you basing your left/right on?Sunil_Prasannan said:FPT
Ooops forgot to include the NI Unionists in my Right-wing seats tally.
So right-wing popular vote = 50.5% (Con, UKIP, DUP, UUP and TUV)
Right-wing seats at Westminster = 341 (52.5% of 650)
I had assumed on Economic stance. But now you add in the very left wing socialist DUP. Not being very consistent now, are you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Unionist_Party
"Ideology: National conservatism[1], Social conservatism[2], British unionism, Euroscepticism[3]
"Political position: Right-wing[4][5]"0 -
I made no mention of gassing - which in the context of Nazi Germany did not occur until well into World War 2. Arbeit Macht Frei appeared in 1933 when Trade Union members were first incarcerated in concentration camps with other unwelcome dissidents such as Communists and Social Democrats. Effectively removing the Right to Strike represents a significant move in the direction of an illiberal Totalitarian state.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, Justin, I am afraid that you are merely exposing your own, quite disgusting, lack of moral coherence. Gassing millions of people is 'pure evil'. A modest change to prevent innocent members of the public being held to ransom by small groups of public sector workers is, by no conceivable stretch of any sane imagination, 'pure evil', or comparable to totalitarian states.justin124 said:There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.
By all means oppose it, but don't get morally insane in the process.
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Is there any party in the world which is based in a particular region of any state and which doesn't think that region should get more cash?Pulpstar said:Opposed the 'bedroom tax' - right or left wing is of secondary concern in NI politics though. They agree with the Shinners that more cash for NI is needed.
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CONCACAF is the regional soccer federation for North America, Central America and the Caribbean.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.
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"Comrades the Voices, of the Dead Battalions,Anorak said:
British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair. And rallies - nice days out for the family.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
Of those who died, to make this Country great,
Join in our song, and are always with us in spirit,
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Clearly Chuck doesn't have enough to get Blatter. Hopefully one of the others do....Tim_B said:
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazereek said:
Just need the plea bargain...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
Hattie joins a long line of MPs jumping on Ed's grave - If only they’d spoken up sooner?TheScreamingEagles said:Even Hattie taking the piss out of the Edstone
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Blatter is clearly not Mr Clean - but he is a clever guy and has always avoided provable involvement. No reason to assume this is any different.eek said:
Clearly Chuck doesn't have enough to get Blatter. Hopefully one of the others do....Tim_B said:
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazereek said:
Just need the plea bargain...TheWhiteRabbit said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.
What is fascinating is they intend to proceed with electing Blatter to a 5th term on Friday. It'll be interesting to see if they do go ahead with it.0 -
There may be a little more to it than a literal translation......justin124 said:
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I think you'll find they rot from the spleen. Or generally where the bacteria are concentrated - in the guts.watford30 said:
A fish rots from the head.Tim_B said:
They are after sorting out FIFA, a nonsensical, criminal and corrupt organization (and CONCACAF too, whatever that is). It's not about Blatter per se.watford30 said:
The Feds are after the head honcho at FIFA. That much is obvious.Tim_B said:News leaking on the FIFA case that someone called Chuck Blazer (?) wore a wire to help the feds build their case.
He apparently copped a plea a couple of years back on corruption charges.0 -
The Ed Stone is a good springboard from which to do so ....SimonStClare said:
Hattie joins a long line of MPs jumping on Ed's graveTheScreamingEagles said:Even Hattie taking the piss out of the Edstone
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Actually, it's just reminded me of the Tory Cabinet ministers and MPs singing Tomorrow Belongs to Me on Spitting Image.TheScreamingEagles said:
That'll do me.justin124 said:
Oh no - I think you will find that imposed human suffering leading to starvation and rotting on the streets is much the preferred option.TheScreamingEagles said:
Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
Dave's been such a disappointment so far on that front.0 -
I would politely suggest that this is not a winning argument for you, and you may wish to change your approach, but it's up to you.justin124 said:0 -
Long overdue. But really calling the job a 'peace envoy' is about as realistic and fair as referring to the so called "bedroom tax".TheScreamingEagles said:Blair resigns as peace envoy.
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The expression comes from the title of a novel by German philologist Lorenz Diefenbach, Arbeit macht frei: Erzählung von Lorenz Diefenbach (1873), in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour.[2] The phrase was also used in French ("le travail rend libre!") by Auguste Forel, a Swiss entomologist, neuroanatomist and psychiatrist, in his "Fourmis de la Suisse" ["Ants of Switzerland"] (1920).[3] In 1922, the Deutsche Schulverein of Vienna, an ethnic nationalist "protective" organization of Germans within the Austrian empire, printed membership stamps with the phrase Arbeit macht frei. It was adopted in 1928 by the Weimar government as a slogan extolling the effects of their desired policy of large-scale public works programmes to end unemployment. This use of the phrase was continued by the Nazi Party when it came to power in 1933.CarlottaVance said:
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Considering the role played by the Auschwitz prisons during the Holocaust as well as the individual prisoner's knowledge that once they entered the camp freedom was not likely to be obtained by any means other than death, the cruel comedy of the slogan becomes strikingly clear. The psychological impact it wrought on those who passed through the gates of each of the camps where it was seen was incredibly powerful.[10]
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Waiting for the DOJ press conference. There are 2 org charts on the stand. One headed 'sports marketing bribery schemes', the other 'The Enterprise' featuring FIFA, CONCACAF etc.0
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You won't be back in power until you get rid of this ridiculous "evil Tories" nonsense.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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I did wonder if he'd be captured by Islamic State, and have his head chopped off in a video.Flightpathl said:
Long overdue. But really calling the job a 'peace envoy' is about as realistic and fair as referring to the so called "bedroom tax".TheScreamingEagles said:Blair resigns as peace envoy.
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No-one mentioned Nazis, that's just a reference to IDS.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Godwin!justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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NY Attorney General commentating on the FIFA scandal is called Loretta Lynch. #ominous0
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I must say I have long been hoping to hear Dennis Skinner or Jeremy Corbyn throw the phrase at the Tories in the House of Commons.0
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Justin is a prize knobend. A cautionary example of what a Labour/SNP Coalition would have looked like.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, Justin, I am afraid that you are merely exposing your own, quite disgusting, lack of moral coherence. Gassing millions of people is 'pure evil'. A modest change to prevent innocent members of the public being held to ransom by small groups of public sector workers is, by no conceivable stretch of any sane imagination, 'pure evil', or comparable to totalitarian states.justin124 said:There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.
By all means oppose it, but don't get morally insane in the process.0 -
Legal highs may be being outlawed, but that about research chemicals and herbal blends ?0
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Time for Dave to invade Poland.Sean_F said:
Actually, it's just reminded me of the Tory Cabinet ministers and MPs singing Tomorrow Belongs to Me on Spitting Image.TheScreamingEagles said:
That'll do me.justin124 said:
Oh no - I think you will find that imposed human suffering leading to starvation and rotting on the streets is much the preferred option.TheScreamingEagles said:
Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
Dave's been such a disappointment so far on that front.
I don't the UK has the space for all these Arbeit Macht Frei camps.0 -
Yeah, because no PB Tory has ever suggested the SNP were Nazis.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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Just need the plea bargain...eek said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazer
Clearly Chuck doesn't have enough to get Blatter. Hopefully one of the others do....
Is US law so flexible they can arrest anyone anywhere, or has Blatter actually (allegedly) done something in the USA that they believe they can prosecute?0 -
Or maybe he could liberate Ukraine from the Russians and enforce the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk?TheScreamingEagles said:
Time for Dave to invade Poland.Sean_F said:
Actually, it's just reminded me of the Tory Cabinet ministers and MPs singing Tomorrow Belongs to Me on Spitting Image.TheScreamingEagles said:
That'll do me.justin124 said:
Oh no - I think you will find that imposed human suffering leading to starvation and rotting on the streets is much the preferred option.TheScreamingEagles said:
Huzzah, does this mean we get to gas the undesirables ?justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
Dave's been such a disappointment so far on that front.
I don't the UK has the space for all these Arbeit Macht Frei camps.0 -
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazerdugarbandier said:
Just need the plea bargain...eek said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.
Clearly Chuck doesn't have enough to get Blatter. Hopefully one of the others do....
Is US law so flexible they can arrest anyone anywhere, or has Blatter actually (allegedly) done something in the USA that they believe they can prosecute?
Firstly, no it isn't, and secondly so far this is nothing to do with Blatter, even though so far there are apparently 47 indictments.0 -
They've had it for 18 months....Chuck Blazerdugarbandier said:
Just need the plea bargain...eek said:
Blatter will be next; they'll need to build their case first.
Clearly Chuck doesn't have enough to get Blatter. Hopefully one of the others do....
Is US law so flexible they can arrest anyone anywhere, or has Blatter actually (allegedly) done something in the USA that they believe they can prosecute?
Uncle Sam gets a bit twitchy when large scale corruption is undertaken using Dollars as the favoured currency.0 -
US law has a de facto enourmous reach.dugarbandier said:
Is US law so flexible they can arrest anyone anywhere, or has Blatter actually (allegedly) done something in the USA that they believe they can prosecute?
See Assange, O'Dwyer, Natwest three and so forth0 -
i want my owl...Plato said:I'm in favour of more Ancient Romans running Dept of Transport myself.
Anorak said:
British politics could do with more eagles on sticks, to be fair. And rallies - nice days out for the family.Sean_F said:
I suppose that makes Conservative Future the British version of the Sturmabteilung.justin124 said:
There is much that your ilk should be ashamed of - including seeking to erode the right to strike to a level little more than theoretical and barely diffrerent to what is possible in totalitarian states. It is pure evil - and if you find the highlighting of that to be offensive it speaks volumes of your moral code - or lack there of.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's a very offensive comment. You should be ashamed of it.justin124 said:The Queens Speech rather suggests that the Arbeit Macht Frei wing of the Tory party is very much in the ascendancy.
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So it is true then.... some things are about as funny as a bag of sick.Sean_F said:
I did wonder if he'd be captured by Islamic State, and have his head chopped off in a video.Flightpathl said:
Long overdue. But really calling the job a 'peace envoy' is about as realistic and fair as referring to the so called "bedroom tax".TheScreamingEagles said:Blair resigns as peace envoy.
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press conference starting.0
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Go on Toom tell us the hidden meaning , give it the Tory angle.CarlottaVance said:0 -
bin laden (OK, maybe that wasn't strictly legal)Pulpstar said:
US law has a de facto enourmous reach.
See Assange, O'Dwyer, Natwest three and so forth0
