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Tom Clarke had been MP for Coatbridge since 24th June 1982. That's a few days after the Falklands War ended.
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He is addicted to fame. In some ways he is the male equivalent of Jordanrottenborough said:I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.
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I was thinking along those lines, except I felt that both Ukip and Farage would have been better having a Leadership contest with Farage putting himself forward along with some fresh faces. The idea that his party executive 'begged him' to reconsider looks terrible and further indicates the party remains a one man bandwagon rather than a serious political party aiming at expanding its base.rottenborough said:
I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.
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The one who left the Cabinet for 'family' reasonsTykejohnno said:
Who ;-)isam said:TGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
Alan MilburnTGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?0 -
No, I think he was just loudly reflecting what Blairites were thinking, i.e. we have tried this before and we get beaten. There was no move by the British public to the left after the Great Recession.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
Other Kippers could have declared their candidature and started their leadership campaigns. He could have looked even sillier than he does.rottenborough said:I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.
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Dave, You might wish to know I've patiently sitting by the phone for hours.... I'm quite happy to do reverse charges if you call.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave if you're reading this.
This presents you with the perfect opportunity to ennoble JohnO.0 -
Yeah she too stood for parliament and lost.currystar said:
He is addicted to fame. In some ways he is the male equivalent of Jordanrottenborough said:I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.
I believe she might have been the popular front candidate in 2001 in Stretford and Urmston0 -
How do you know?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
33 years wasted for constituentsAndyJS said:Tom Clarke had been MP for Coatbridge since 24th June 1982. That's a few days after the Falklands War ended.
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Can you imagine CCHQ sharing private polling with a Labour supporter?nigel4england said:
How do you know?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
Plato said:
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the reforms, Tory Governments will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of voters who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a Tory Government to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow Opinion Pollsters to hire Competent Staff.
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The area is becoming fairly well to do. Kate Hoey has a very strong personal vote, but if house prices continue to rise, it is difficult to see the area not becoming marginal within a generation.AndyJS said:I didn't expect a swing to the Tories in Vauxhall.
Changes:
Lab +4.0%
Con +5.7%
Green +6.0%
LD -18.2%
UKIP +2.9%0 -
Carswell is in the wrong party. He seems a decent sort and disagrees with much that Farage says. He's wrong about the EU, but that goes for quite a few in the Tory party.MarqueeMark said:
Tactically, robbing UKIP of a voice in the House of Commons - and therefore of any Short Money - might be a wise thing to do. It would make it all the more amusing as Farage stands at each and every by-election trying to get that one seat.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
Carswell I would take back. The TPD? Not in a month of Sundays.0 -
Yes, if it means that Labour supporter is going to consistently undermine him.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you imagine CCHQ sharing private polling with a Labour supporter?nigel4england said:
How do you know?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
Is Carswell the loneliest man on the Opposition benches?logical_song said:
Carswell is in the wrong party. He seems a decent sort and disagrees with much that Farage says. He's wrong about the EU, but that goes for quite a few in the Tory party.MarqueeMark said:
Tactically, robbing UKIP of a voice in the House of Commons - and therefore of any Short Money - might be a wise thing to do. It would make it all the more amusing as Farage stands at each and every by-election trying to get that one seat.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
Carswell I would take back. The TPD? Not in a month of Sundays.0 -
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Be hilarious if the news that Farage was begged to reconsider his resignation as Ukip Leader then leads Carswell to resort to begging the Conservatives to let him return on the back into the fold. Not that I would particularly happy to see him return!Scott_P said:
@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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Much too sensible to ever have a chance of being implemented.TheScreamingEagles said:We need electoral reform.
Multi member STV for the Commons.
And a fully elected Senate on 10 year terms.
There will be a 10 year ban from leaving the Commons and standing for election to the Senate0 -
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
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Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.
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I very much doubt anybody but a very select number of people knew the ins and outs. It was reported that a very small team of people reported directly to Cameron and Osborne. Bits and pieces did leak though, by whom and why, we will never know.nigel4england said:
Yes, if it means that Labour supporter is going to consistently undermine him.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can you imagine CCHQ sharing private polling with a Labour supporter?nigel4england said:
How do you know?TheScreamingEagles said:
No.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
Excellent inquest piece on the LD-Con battle, enhanced massively by the commentator who calls for the LD's to go forward with a message of "opportunism and unity", only to correct himself to "optimism and unity". You had it right the first time, pal...
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-demtory-waverers-wanted-continuity-but-they-voted-conservative-to-achieve-it-45857.html
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Ed Miliband lost the election in part because left-wing voters failed to turn out to vote, according to an analysis by Ipsos MORI, the pollsters.It contradicts earlier theories that the Tories won because of “shy Tories” swung towards the Conservative party at the last minute, having previously declared an intention to vote Labour.
Instead, the Tories won because they were able to mobilise a greater proportion of their base vote, with Labour’s younger supporters failing to vote.
An election result implied by polling would give the Tories 12.5 million votes, and Labour 12.2 million. However, in the event, the Tories secured 11.3 million votes, and Labour 9.3 million.
Overall, turnout was six percentage points lower than pollsters expected. Usually, turnout is around 10 points lower than the number of people saying they are "certain to vote" declare, but this year it was sixteen points lower.AndyJS said:Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
Sunil, I don't want to be the guy who picks on you, but it's rather unbecoming of you to post something along these lines every time someone mentions an up-and-coming female MP! Just friendly advice...Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/0 -
Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.MikeSmithson said:
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
Indeed. Moreover 36.9% of the 66% who bothered to turnout. IE 24% of the electorate.
And that's before you look at councils.0 -
Plato said:
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the reforms, Tory Governments will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of voters who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a Tory Government to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow Opinion Pollsters to hire Competent Staff.
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Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.MikeSmithson said:
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
We all get a vote at the GE.
Where's my chance to have a say in whether train drivers go on strike for more money?0 -
@Plato
'Dave Can't Win Here Part 94'
If the Lib Dems or any other party wants to play silly buggers and block the policies of a democratically elected government,then Cameron will just flood the place with Tory life peers.
I can't imagine that the public will have any time for a bunch of unelected, geriatric, reject politicians blocking a democratically elected government.0 -
Ooops, I must have pressed "send" accidentally!Tissue_Price said:
Sunil, I don't want to be the guy who picks on you, but it's rather unbecoming of you to post something along these lines every time someone mentions an up-and-coming female MP! Just friendly advice...Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
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But wasn't turnout up? It seemed to be. I've not crunched the figures but generally seemed higher when being announced.AndyJS said:Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
Only up by 1 point from 65% to 66%. The electorate was up a fair bit which accounted for most of the increase in number of votes.Lucian_Fletcher said:
But wasn't turnout up? It seemed to be. I've not crunched the figures but generally seemed higher when being announced.AndyJS said:Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
Sorry, but didn't Labour's vote actually go UP this election? 30.4% v. 29.0% in 2010?0
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I think Sunil's only joking!Tissue_Price said:
Sunil, I don't want to be the guy who picks on you, but it's rather unbecoming of you to post something along these lines every time someone mentions an up-and-coming female MP! Just friendly advice...Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/0 -
If Labour fail to oppose anti-strike laws strongly (especially in the lords) then UNITE might stop writing those cheques.0
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No he is not. It is you who appear to misunderstood its constitutional role.JEO said:
You seem to be advocating the complete elimination of any power for the House of Lords. This is exactly the reason why we need the Lords not to be appointed by the Prime Minister.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.MikeSmithson said:
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
Oh dear. It was in the manifesto.0 -
Of course I am! I'm more of a Rachel man myselfAndyJS said:
I think Sunil's only joking!Tissue_Price said:
Sunil, I don't want to be the guy who picks on you, but it's rather unbecoming of you to post something along these lines every time someone mentions an up-and-coming female MP! Just friendly advice...Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
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Electorate wasn't affected by individual voter registration?AndyJS said:
Only up by 1 point from 65% to 66%. The electorate was up a fair bit which accounted for most of the increase in number of votes.Lucian_Fletcher said:
But wasn't turnout up? It seemed to be. I've not crunched the figures but generally seemed higher when being announced.AndyJS said:Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
Wouldn't know but the fact that so many people don't bother voting in strike ballots indicates to me that they're not that botheredSouthamObserver said:
Would Nigel stand up and support Tory reforms of strike laws during a by-election in a Labour held seat? Should go down well with Old Labour voters.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'0 -
The House of Lords has always been " a bunch of unelected, geriatric, reject politicians" and in fact is less so since the hereditories (misspelling deliberate) were culled.john_zims said:@Plato
'Dave Can't Win Here Part 94'
If the Lib Dems or any other party wants to play silly buggers and block the policies of a democratically elected government,then Cameron will just flood the place with Tory life peers.
I can't imagine that the public will have any time for a bunch of unelected, geriatric, reject politicians blocking a democratically elected government.
They know the situation and so will pick their fights carefully, as they have under all shades of Government. I'd prefer to have an elected HoL, but will admit that they have done some good in the past.0 -
Yes, it should have risen by much more given the fact that the population of the country has gone from 60 million to 65 million over the last 10 years. The adult population of the UK is about 75% of the total so the electorate should be something like 48.75 million. It's actually 46.4 million (see bottom of this page): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/resultsSunil_Prasannan said:
Electorate wasn't affected by individual voter registration?AndyJS said:
Only up by 1 point from 65% to 66%. The electorate was up a fair bit which accounted for most of the increase in number of votes.Lucian_Fletcher said:
But wasn't turnout up? It seemed to be. I've not crunched the figures but generally seemed higher when being announced.AndyJS said:Telegraph — low turnout one of the causes of Labour's poor result:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11599365/Lazy-Labour-lost-Ed-Miliband-the-election-says-pollster.html0 -
@MikeSmithson
'Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.'
You can say that about any law that gets passed.
Maybe we should have a referendum on issues like this & I would bet a lot of money that it would be much more than 37% of voters being in favour of this change.0 -
Haven't been through all of the previous thread, but during the week prior to election week, Ashcroft had Con 36, Lab 30; and Ipsos MORI had Con 35, Lab 30.0
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Parliament has given trades unions a series of immunities in tort which apply to no one else, and have the potential to cause irrecoverable economic losses to third parties who cannot vote in a strike ballot. Strikes therefore affect the interests of those who cannot vote against them, and it is perfectly reasonable to make those immunities subject to such formalities as Parliament sees fits. There is no analogy with parliamentary elections where those of age and of sound mind directly affected by Parliament's decisions all have the opportunity to vote.MikeSmithson said:Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.
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The more draconian they are the easier it will be for Labour to oppose them. The fact that the Tories got 25% of votes from those eligible to vote may be raised a few times. Ironically, it may actually make Unite less of a thorn in the new Labour leader's flesh.Daniel said:If Labour fail to oppose anti-strike laws strongly (especially in the lords) then UNITE might stop writing those cheques.
The Tories really need to beware of hubris. They were not swept into government on a wave of popular enthusiasm. They beat Ed.
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@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne0
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I thought Farage IS the UKIP NEC!!!TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
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In Scotland Labour only lost 328,000 votes and yet it cost them 40 seats....
Scottish Labour's famed efficiency of the vote became an utter disaster of wasted votes this time round.0 -
Our OGH confirmed at the time that these were rogue polls and did another thread on how the tories could not win.Sunil_Prasannan said:Haven't been through all of the previous thread, but during the week prior to election week, Ashcroft had Con 36, Lab 30; and Ipsos MORI had Con 35, Lab 30.
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Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.0 -
Surely he'd just use the Parliament Act to railroad the blocked legislation through?Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
It does explain why the manifesto was so detailed, not just for prospective Coalition negotiations but for Salisbury Convention purposes.
Though on the downside, she appears to be sat next to Soubry!AndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
Best view in the Cabinet room would be the one opposite the aptly named Priti methinks....0 -
Smart long-term politics from the Tories to get this issue aired whilst Labour candidates are scrabbling around for nominations.felix said:
Liz Kendall is a Unite MP and has already condemned the proposal - she would indeed be a breath of fresh air for New LabourDaniel said:If Labour fail to oppose anti-strike laws strongly (especially in the lords) then UNITE might stop writing those cheques.
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"During Monday’s meeting Farage painted a bleak picture of life without him, and sat in the room as the NEC discussed whether he should stay on. ....
One source even claimed he insisted on sitting through the vote itself so he could see which way NEC members voted."TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
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Yep, that'll work on the doorstep.Life_ina_market_town said:
Parliament has given trades unions a series of immunities in tort which apply to no one else, and have the potential to cause irrecoverable economic losses to third parties who cannot vote in a strike ballot. Strikes therefore affect the interests of those who cannot vote against them, and it is perfectly reasonable to make those immunities subject to such formalities as Parliament sees fits. There is no analogy with parliamentary elections where those of age and of sound mind directly affected by Parliament's decisions all have the opportunity to vote.MikeSmithson said:Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.
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We'e all made bad betting calls. Unfortuately for OGH, his have been magnified via the site.currystar said:
Our OGH confirmed at the time that these were rogue polls and did another thread on how the tories could not win.Sunil_Prasannan said:Haven't been through all of the previous thread, but during the week prior to election week, Ashcroft had Con 36, Lab 30; and Ipsos MORI had Con 35, Lab 30.
On a positive note, I've found a few hundred quid in a closed account for my bets on winning Pudsey, Thanet and the Greens winning Brighton so its not such a bad day.0 -
It went up but almost all of the increase was concentrated in Labour's safest seats in places like inner London and Merseyside.Sunil_Prasannan said:Sorry, but didn't Labour's vote actually go UP this election? 30.4% v. 29.0% in 2010?
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Careful! @Tissue_Price is around!Bob__Sykes said:
Though on the downside, she appears to be sat next to Soubry!AndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
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Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Alistair said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
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LOLSunil_Prasannan said:
Careful! @Tissue_Price is around!Bob__Sykes said:
Though on the downside, she appears to be sat next to Soubry!AndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/
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A masterful strategy from the ToriesTissue_Price said:
Smart long-term politics from the Tories to get this issue aired whilst Labour candidates are scrabbling around for nominations.felix said:
Liz Kendall is a Unite MP and has already condemned the proposal - she would indeed be a breath of fresh air for New LabourDaniel said:If Labour fail to oppose anti-strike laws strongly (especially in the lords) then UNITE might stop writing those cheques.
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Delighted Chuka is standing.
Burnham worries me - he's "proper Labour", and a "real person", and would have northerners and working class voters flocking back to Labour.
Chuka won't. He'll have them flocking to UKIP, or staying with Dave if they're already there.0 -
A joke party lead by a Joker.TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
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Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 3 mins3 minutes ago
Together Labour's 14 affiliated trades unions have 4m members. Nobody seems to know how many will be registered to vote in leadership ballot
Labour election turning into a bit of a clusterf**k.0 -
Will this law be applying to Scotland ?Pulpstar said:
Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Alistair said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
No, you see, FPTP is fine for Scotland, because it was the SNP and not the Tories wot won 56 seats of 59 on 50% of the vote!0 -
Maybe. But taking something away is never that popular, even if it is not that used. And if UKIP is to challenge Labour it may not want to be seen supporting Tory legislation. After all, how does that make them different to the Tories? Old Labour was deeply rooted in trade unionism.isam said:
Wouldn't know but the fact that so many people don't bother voting in strike ballots indicates to me that they're not that botheredSouthamObserver said:
Would Nigel stand up and support Tory reforms of strike laws during a by-election in a Labour held seat? Should go down well with Old Labour voters.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
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A mixture of farce and tragedy.JonathanD said:"During Monday’s meeting Farage painted a bleak picture of life without him, and sat in the room as the NEC discussed whether he should stay on. ....
One source even claimed he insisted on sitting through the vote itself so he could see which way NEC members voted."TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
Has echoes of Stalin and Ken Livingstone when he stopped being Mayor.0 -
Maybe, in safe Northern Labour seats. He certainly won't have anyone flocking back to Labour in those southern seats that Labour needs to win back, nor I suspect in the Midlands.Bob__Sykes said:Burnham worries me - he's "proper Labour", and a "real person", and would have northerners and working class voters flocking back to Labour.
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That was a good guess.logical_song said:
Other Kippers could have declared their candidature and started their leadership campaigns. He could have looked even sillier than he does.rottenborough said:I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/12/farage-forced-through-leadership-confirmation/0 -
@rcolvile: I knew this Farage 'resignation' seemed familiar (from Robert Service's history of Russia) http://t.co/f72YoVvodR0
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Mr. Slackbladder, can't go much worse for them than the last one.
Unless there's a third Miliband brother.0 -
There's a third brother. Steve.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Slackbladder, can't go much worse for them than the last one.
Unless there's a third Miliband brother.
He's a joker, a space cowboy0 -
No, you see, FPTP is fine for Scotland, because it was the SNP and not the Tories wot won 56 seats of 59 on 50% of the vote!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will this law be applying to Scotland ?Pulpstar said:
Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Alistair said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
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Yes it was. My dad is a teacher and I have mentioned the aggro he had from PC types, so much so that he nearly lost his reputation and his job through no fault if his own. His trade union helped enormously to right the wrongs and get him justice... He still voted ukip though!SouthamObserver said:
Maybe. But taking something away is never that popular, even if it is not that used. And if UKIP is to challenge Labour it may not want to be seen supporting Tory legislation. After all, how does that make them different to the Tories? Old Labour was deeply rooted in trade unionism.isam said:
Wouldn't know but the fact that so many people don't bother voting in strike ballots indicates to me that they're not that botheredSouthamObserver said:
Would Nigel stand up and support Tory reforms of strike laws during a by-election in a Labour held seat? Should go down well with Old Labour voters.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'0 -
@davidjhgardiner: Ruth Davidson on Nicola Sturgeon "If I had a pound for every time she said 'Tories' today I'd be on her wages". #FMQs0
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Not as well as - let us close your school/hospital/fire service etc on a 10% ballot?SouthamObserver said:
Yep, that'll work on the doorstep.Life_ina_market_town said:
Parliament has given trades unions a series of immunities in tort which apply to no one else, and have the potential to cause irrecoverable economic losses to third parties who cannot vote in a strike ballot. Strikes therefore affect the interests of those who cannot vote against them, and it is perfectly reasonable to make those immunities subject to such formalities as Parliament sees fits. There is no analogy with parliamentary elections where those of age and of sound mind directly affected by Parliament's decisions all have the opportunity to vote.MikeSmithson said:Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.
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I'd have been up sh*t creek if th Tories had won 56 seats in ScotlandPulpstar said:
No, you see, FPTP is fine for Scotland, because it was the SNP and not the Tories wot won 56 seats of 59 on 50% of the vote!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will this law be applying to Scotland ?Pulpstar said:
Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Alistair said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
But we'd have won the pandas bet.0 -
Very true.Richard_Nabavi said:
Maybe, in safe Northern Labour seats. He certainly won't have anyone flocking back to Labour in those southern seats that Labour needs to win back, nor I suspect in the Midlands.Bob__Sykes said:Burnham worries me - he's "proper Labour", and a "real person", and would have northerners and working class voters flocking back to Labour.
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Employment rights and duties, and industrial relations, including the subject matter of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992 are reserved matters (see Head H1 of Schedule 5 to the Scotland Act 1998). So any reforms to the law will apply in Scotland.Pulpstar said:Will this law be applying to Scotland ?
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@Bob_Sykes
'Burnham worries me - he's "proper Labour", and a "real person", and would have northerners and working class voters flocking back to Labour.'
He's never had a job in the real world and has the shame of Mid Staffs.0 -
Yes, but Farage is definitely more 'Mr Bean' than 'Stalin'.TheScreamingEagles said:@rcolvile: I knew this Farage 'resignation' seemed familiar (from Robert Service's history of Russia) http://t.co/f72YoVvodR
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Might start to get a bit aggravating when everyone on here is banging on about massive value bets available to those w accounts w all firms across the oddschecker page eh?antifrank said:
Welcome to my world0 -
Has Paddy eaten his hat yet?felix said:
"expulsion of members for poor conduct" - Would that get rid of Pants down?OblitusSumMe said:For reference, this is what was in the Conservative Manifesto on the House of Lords:
"We will ensure that the House of Lords fulfils its valuable role as a chamber of legislative scrutiny and revision.
While we still see a strong case for introducing an elected element into our second chamber, this is not a priority in the next Parliament. We have already allowed for expulsion of members for poor conduct and will ensure the House of Lords continues to work well by addressing issues such as the size of the chamber and the retirement of peers." 0 -
"During Monday’s meeting Farage painted a bleak picture of life without him, and sat in the room as the NEC discussed whether he should stay on. ....
Do what - I thought all the begging to stay came from the NEC ?
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Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.MikeSmithson said:
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
Oh Gawd, not you too.0 -
Will it be eight election defeats on the trot?isam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!0 -
As I have said he thought he was a certainty to win as he thinks he is JFK reborn, thats why he made the promise to resign. He never thought that he would have to do it. As soon as he had resigned he set out trying to stop his own resignation. Its his party and no one elses.JonathanD said:"During Monday’s meeting Farage painted a bleak picture of life without him, and sat in the room as the NEC discussed whether he should stay on. ....
One source even claimed he insisted on sitting through the vote itself so he could see which way NEC members voted."TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
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Short of introducing a new poll tax, I can't think of much the Tories could do that would blot their copybook at the first opportunity more than introducing legislation to clamp down on strikes.
Left outraged, ordinary workers (some who voted Tory) might be nonplussed, and it would be a red rag (or a yellow one) to the Scots, to whom it would apply.
Hm. Interesting choice.0 -
Even if he isn't it is not crime of the century,AndyJS said:
I think Sunil's only joking!Tissue_Price said:
Sunil, I don't want to be the guy who picks on you, but it's rather unbecoming of you to post something along these lines every time someone mentions an up-and-coming female MP! Just friendly advice...Sunil_Prasannan said:
She looks OK tooAndyJS said:Priti Patel gets the seat with the best view in the cabinet room:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/0 -
I think my other half is soon going to develop a keen interest in political betting.isam said:
Might start to get a bit aggravating when everyone on here is banging on about massive value bets available to those w accounts w all firms across the oddschecker page eh?antifrank said:
Welcome to my world0 -
No, you see, FPTP is fine for Scotland, because it was the SNP and not the Tories wot won 56 seats of 59 on 50% of the vote!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Will this law be applying to Scotland ?Pulpstar said:
Will they be introducing a lAw like this for general elections?Alistair said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
That wAs a 1979 referendum reference.0 -
"See, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push!"watford30 said:
A joke party lead by a Joker.TheScreamingEagles said:@wallaceme: Breitbart reports Farage sat in on the NEC vote on his fate to see how people voted! http://t.co/BiQvWB92ne
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Oh Gawd, not you too.Bond_James_Bond said:
Odd that a party with 36.9% of the popular vote should be seeking to do this.MikeSmithson said:
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.TwistedFireStopper said:Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
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@BethRigby: positioning his chosen successor? PM spokesman confirms Osborne will take PMQs when Cameron away0
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Don't use the same postal or IP address...antifrank said:
I think my other half is soon going to develop a keen interest in political betting.isam said:
Might start to get a bit aggravating when everyone on here is banging on about massive value bets available to those w accounts w all firms across the oddschecker page eh?antifrank said:
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He's like Hannibal after Zama.logical_song said:
Yes, but Farage is definitely more 'Mr Bean' than 'Stalin'.TheScreamingEagles said:@rcolvile: I knew this Farage 'resignation' seemed familiar (from Robert Service's history of Russia) http://t.co/f72YoVvodR
But I had the better tactics but we still got shellacked.
Leader of UKIP = Governor of Carthage0
