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A key moment in the last parliament was in July 2012 when CON back-bench rebels voted down a timetable motion on the Lords Reform bill thus making it highly unlikely that it would get through the house. A few days later Cameron pulled the plans completely – a move that led to Mr. Clegg pulling the plug on boundary reform.
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Where Con MP stood down after 1 term
Cannock Chase: maj up from 7 to 10.4%
North Warwickshire: maj up from 0.1 to 6.3%
Erewash: maj up from 5.2 to 7.4%
Cardiff North: maj up from 0.4 to 4.2%
Dudley South: maj up from 10.1 to 11.2%
South Ribble: maj up from 10.8 to 11.4%
Hove: from 3.7% Con maj to 2.4% Lab maj
Apart from Hove, in the remaining seats Conservative performance wasn't negatively affected.
I know part of the first term incumbency effect is not only new MPs developing a personal vote, but also the previous incumbent party losing the structural advantage (no MP office, no paid staff, etc).0 -
Chuka Umunna launched his leadership bid with a low quality video from his phone... Blurry video and bad sound quality
Oh gosh do you think he might be trying to lose his slick image?!
What fools they think we are0 -
Time to reform the HoL properly then!0
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I notice today that the RMT have smashed past the government's proposed 40% threshold for a successful strike ballot.0
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Abolish it.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
I think the trouble the HoL might cause is limited. More Lords can be appointed. They can only delay if they try to act funny. Presumably its beneath the dignity of the SNP to put any Lords forward?0 -
Telegraph
Alan Milburn, the Blairite former Labour Health Secretary, is on the Politics Show with some scathing words for his party. He says of the last campaign:
"The ghastly experiment of a core vote strategy didn't even deliver the core vote."0 -
Sack em all and bring in immigrant train drivers.OblitusSumMe said:I notice today that the RMT have smashed past the government's proposed 40% threshold for a successful strike ballot.
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The SNP takes the same attitude to the Lords that Sinn Fein does to the Commons. It is instant expulsion.Flightpathl said:
Abolish it.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
I think the trouble the HoL might cause is limited. More Lords can be appointed. They can only delay if they try to act funny. Presumably its beneath the dignity of the SNP to put any Lords forward?0 -
With 56 SNP MPs this is the perfect time to do it. If they are serious about working with others of like mind across these islands they can hardly vote against a democratic HoL. It would be a key litmus test of their sincerity.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
It would force them into a constructive debate about how the Westminster system can be made to work for Scotland.
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On topic - as the Cons have a full plate with implementing their manifesto I can't see the HoL being a problem - only a stalling mechanism.0
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My first couple of thoughts about the House of Lords situation.
1. The Lords, by which I mean mainly the Lib Dem and Labour Lords, are most likely to be difficult about metropolitan luvvie issues like Michael Gove's repeal of the Human Rights Act. Having that sort of opposition in that sort of situation is probably a good thing electorally for the Tories in two respects - it helps to shore up the UKIP-vulnerable right flank, and it makes it look like the opposition are focussed on less important things than the economy.
2. How many of the Lords regularly turn up for debates and votes? The balance of power might be better [or worse] if lots of the Lords just aren't there most of the time.0 -
Yay! Lib Dems winning here!0
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Isam I believe he launched it in marginal Swindon, with the video alongside. However whether he becomes Labour leader and PM will depend on his message and his appeal to floating voters in the suburbs, not the quality of his video on Facebook, as well as who the Tory leader is (Osborne would be far less effective than Cameron, despite his qualities as Chancellor) and the impact of the EU referendum on Tory Out voters and UKIP0
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Does that 214 Labour block include Lord Janner ?0
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Dave Can't Win Here Part 940
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I'll just leave this here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_Convention
It is one of the reasons why Ed Miliband's dance of the seven policies after the manifesto launch was so unwise.0 -
The SNP will demand a quid pro quo for Lords reform, as we have seen in the previous Gov't with boundaries and the Lords, those can get very messy very quickly.0
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I cannot imagine that the LDs would engage in the underhanded tactics of seeking to thwart the will of the H/C and ignore the Salisbury Convention. To do so would be to spit in the face of the Liberal and democratic tradition to which they have so proudly given their name. Honourable peers , like Lords Ashdown and Oakshott would never consent to such grubby tactics.
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Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
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The problem wouldn't be the SNP, but the sizable chunk of Conservative backbenchers who don't want a democratic Lords.williamglenn said:
With 56 SNP MPs this is the perfect time to do it. If they are serious about working with others of like mind across these islands they can hardly vote against a democratic HoL. It would be a key litmus test of their sincerity.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
It would force them into a constructive debate about how the Westminster system can be made to work for Scotland.0 -
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'0 -
The Lords clearly needs change. It's current make-up is not based on the quality of expertise, but on a highly arbitrary division between different political parties, based on how many they could appoint without inflicting too much blow back. The Liberal Democrats have almost half as many as the Conservatives, despite only having a tiny share of the vote. UKIP have been deliberately excluded from all sides. The SNP don't feel they can appoint anyone at all. On top of that, there are also a ludicrous number of Lords.
Given that there are constant arguments on whether the appointees are reflecting public opinion, we should just take the arbitrary aspect of it out of it and have a public vote. If the purpose is to represent public opinion over a longer period of time, we can just use the vote averages over three election cycles.0 -
Speaking of Oakshott - I can imagine that the "snapshot" draft of Ashcroft-Oakshott biography of Cameron due out soon has been getting some serious rewrites in the last few daysfelix said:I cannot imagine that the LDs would engage in the underhanded tactics of seeking to thwart the will of the H/C and ignore the Salisbury Convention. To do so would be to spit in the face of the Liberal and democratic tradition to which they have so proudly given their name. Honourable peers , like Lords Ashdown and Oakshott would never consent to such grubby tactics.
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They're already demanding their quid. The quid pro quo from them would be full participation in Westminster in both chambers.Pulpstar said:The SNP will demand a quid pro quo for Lords reform, as we have seen in the previous Gov't with boundaries and the Lords, those can get very messy very quickly.
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Sugar?TGOHF said:Does that 214 Labour block include Lord Janner ?
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For reference, this is what was in the Conservative Manifesto on the House of Lords:
"We will ensure that the House of Lords fulfils its valuable role as a chamber of legislative scrutiny and revision.
While we still see a strong case for introducing an elected element into our second chamber, this is not a priority in the next Parliament. We have already allowed for expulsion of members for poor conduct and will ensure the House of Lords continues to work well by addressing issues such as the size of the chamber and the retirement of peers."0 -
He's going to get roundly humiliated if he goes for it in Coventry NW.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'0 -
Balls vs Farage would be great for popcorn sales though.0
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Is Uddin still a peer? And Lord Paul?Flightpathl said:0
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"expulsion of members for poor conduct" - Would that get rid of Pants down?OblitusSumMe said:For reference, this is what was in the Conservative Manifesto on the House of Lords:
"We will ensure that the House of Lords fulfils its valuable role as a chamber of legislative scrutiny and revision.
While we still see a strong case for introducing an elected element into our second chamber, this is not a priority in the next Parliament. We have already allowed for expulsion of members for poor conduct and will ensure the House of Lords continues to work well by addressing issues such as the size of the chamber and the retirement of peers."0 -
Yep - there are quite a few potential Labour by-elections that could easily go blue right now. Farage is just making a fool of himself.Pulpstar said:
He's going to get roundly humiliated if he goes for it in Coventry NW.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'0 -
Hence why Cameron should pursue it. Something that will clearly cause him pain within his own party and can be presented as a necessary step to put the political institutions on a sustainable footing will put him in a stronger long-term position to negotiate with Nicola Sturgeon, lay the ground for the Scottish Conservatives to become the main opposition in Scotland, and be a defining achievement for his legacy.corporeal said:
The problem wouldn't be the SNP, but the sizable chunk of Conservative backbenchers who don't want a democratic Lords.williamglenn said:
With 56 SNP MPs this is the perfect time to do it. If they are serious about working with others of like mind across these islands they can hardly vote against a democratic HoL. It would be a key litmus test of their sincerity.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
It would force them into a constructive debate about how the Westminster system can be made to work for Scotland.0 -
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!0 -
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?0 -
The Conservatives will in fact be perfectly content with the fact the House of Lords is not reformed, for the simple reason that any attempt to block the government's legislative programme will not have a shred of legitimacy. Expect particular wailing and gnashing of teeth in the upper House over reforms to the blessed Human Rights Act 1998. At present, many are acting as if the Conservatives are attempting to change the ten commandments rather than an Act of Parliament which is less than twenty years old. This is, however, the first time the post-House of Lords 1999 Act House will face a Conservative majority government, and it will be interesting to see if their Lordships remember how to behave themselves.0
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Well quite.Life_ina_market_town said:
The Conservatives will in fact be perfectly content with the fact the House of Lords is not reformed, for the simple reason that any attempt to block the government's legislative programme will not have a shred of legitimacy. Expect particular wailing and gnashing of teeth in the upper House over reforms to the blessed Human Rights Act 1998. At present, many are acting as if the Conservatives are attempting to change the ten commandments rather than an Act of Parliament which is less than twenty years old. This is, however, the first time the post-House of Lords 1999 Act House will face a Conservative majority government, and it will be interesting to see if their Lordships remember how to behave themselves.
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You consistently appear to confuse mockery with hatred – the two are really not the same.isam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!0 -
TGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
Alan MilburnTGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?0 -
Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.0 -
Tee hee you're a one you are #wittybanterSimonStClare said:
You consistently appear to confuse mockery with hatred – the two are really not the same.isam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!0 -
However they do often go hand in hand.SimonStClare said:
You consistently appear to confuse mockery with hatred – the two are really not the same.isam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
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But I thought that blocking reform/not going along with an awful constitutional abomination meant that boundary changes weren't going to happen, which meant that there couldn't possibly be a Conservative majority. We've certainly heard that enough here! What's the problem? All those Labour and LD lords aren't going to block that nice progressive majority in the HoC are they?0
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Good to see you back @Gasman and well indeed!
Gasman said:But I thought that not blocking reform/not going along with an awful constitutional abomination meant that boundary changes weren't going to happen, which meant that there couldn't possibly be a Conservative majority. What's the problem? All those Labour and LD lords aren't going to block that nice progressive majority in the HoC are they?
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On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.0
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If Labour are foolish enough to try and parachute in Balls to Cov NW that seat looks like a Tory gain. The Lab majority has fallen at every election since 1997 and was only 4509 this time.Pulpstar said:
He's going to get roundly humiliated if he goes for it in Coventry NW.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
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I don't think it reflects particular credit on Nigel that someone like Paul Nuttall is so anonymous (obviously Alan Milburn was being funny, but still). Leader or not, he needs to find a way to make his front bench team more recognised.isam said:TGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
Alan MilburnTGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
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@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
...and there was much rejoicing0 -
@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.0
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Yer, great idea. Appoint another 300 Tory peers, when the place is already full... Daft, Mr Navabi, quite daft.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
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Reasonable chance that he'd miss.Scott_P said:@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
...and there was much rejoicing
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Was that heard coming from Lord Ashcroft's office?Scott_P said:@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
...and there was much rejoicing0 -
Balls v Farage imagine the hilarity if both fought at the same by-election and lost.0
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Dave if you're reading this.
This presents you with the perfect opportunity to ennoble JohnO.0 -
It is daft, but if the alternative is lordly wreckers trying to subvert the results of the democratic election we've just held, then needs must. But, as I said, it won't be necessary to do it, precisely because it can be done.PClipp said:
Yer, great idea. Appoint another 300 Tory peers, when the place is already full... Daft, Mr Navabi, quite daft.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
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.. and a few more!TheScreamingEagles said:Dave if you're reading this.
This presents you with the perfect opportunity to ennoble JohnO.0 -
It's remarkable how betting companies generate publicity from offering spectacularly bad bets.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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Yes, Lord Nabavi of Wealsden has a nice ring to it.Richard_Nabavi said:
.. and a few more!TheScreamingEagles said:Dave if you're reading this.
This presents you with the perfect opportunity to ennoble JohnO.0 -
Isabel Oakeshott @IsabelOakeshottScott_P said:@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
...and there was much rejoicing
@RosaPrinceUK hope it's fatal0 -
Oh and cough.
Salisbury Convention.
Edit: Antifrank beat me to it.0 -
He would never rejoin the consveratives, but he might cut himself free from UKIP.antifrank said:
It's remarkable how betting companies generate publicity from offering spectacularly bad bets.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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That's not the bet.Slackbladder said:
He would never rejoin the consveratives, but he might cut himself free from UKIP.antifrank said:
It's remarkable how betting companies generate publicity from offering spectacularly bad bets.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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"Of course Cameron could try to appoint dozen of new CON peers to bring the numbers into line but as Prof Russell points out the Tory manifesto had a commitment to address the size of the chamber and to have any effect a large number would have to be appointed."
This issue was raised on The Daily Politics today, and it was pointed out that its not that easy to vote down an elected Government's manifesto in the Lords. Not sure that the Libdem Lords would be doing their party any favours if they tried to now stop this Conservative Government KEEPING its manifesto pledges.0 -
He did retweet Isabel Oakeshott's reply!FrancisUrquhart said:
Was that heard coming from Lord Ashcroft's office?Scott_P said:@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
...and there was much rejoicing0 -
I didn't expect a swing to the Tories in Vauxhall.
Changes:
Lab +4.0%
Con +5.7%
Green +6.0%
LD -18.2%
UKIP +2.9%
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E140010080 -
He shows more self-awareness than Lucy Powell then.Scott_P said:@RosaPrinceUK: Hearing Ed Miliband's spin doctor Tom Baldwin has fallen on his sword.
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Why would the Lords be an issue? Anything that was in the tory manifesto can be pushed through the Lords with the Parliament Act.
IIRC Boundary Reform is ready to go and just needs some enabling legislation or some such.0 -
Oh I don't know, there will be more rejoicing in CCHQ over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
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God, is Lucy Powell still a thing?
I thought she'd be at the bottom of the Thames tied to a policy obelisk.0 -
Plato said:
Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
Oh, the irony. What percentage of those eligible to vote last Thursday voted for the Tories?
As I said on the previous thread, what the Tories will do if they are not careful is make people more sympathetic to the unions. If this is 1992 all over again, who remembers the reaction to the decision to close down a swathe of mines soon afterwards?
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-10-26/news/mn-777_1_mines-closure
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If anyone can locate the policy stone, I'd be quite interested in acquiring a unique election curio.0
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The Lords would do well to play nicely. At the moment election of HoL is presumably off the cards under a Tory government, but if they cause too much trouble...fitalass said:"Of course Cameron could try to appoint dozen of new CON peers to bring the numbers into line but as Prof Russell points out the Tory manifesto had a commitment to address the size of the chamber and to have any effect a large number would have to be appointed."
This issue was raised on The Daily Politics today, and it was pointed out that its not that easy to vote down an elected Government's manifesto in the Lords. Not sure that the Libdem Lords would be doing their party any favours if they tried to now stop this Conservative Government KEEPING its manifesto pledges.
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We need electoral reform.
Multi member STV for the Commons.
And a fully elected Senate on 10 year terms.
There will be a 10 year ban from leaving the Commons and standing for election to the Senate0 -
Amazing how many posters post a reply before reading the original post to the endPClipp said:
Yer, great idea. Appoint another 300 Tory peers, when the place is already full... Daft, Mr Navabi, quite daft.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
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SNP have a lack of tos***s to put forward, other parties have unlimited choice.Flightpathl said:
Abolish it.Slackbladder said:Time to reform the HoL properly then!
I think the trouble the HoL might cause is limited. More Lords can be appointed. They can only delay if they try to act funny. Presumably its beneath the dignity of the SNP to put any Lords forward?0 -
Hattie confirmed he place in the Shad Cab (sic)BannedInParis said:God, is Lucy Powell still a thing?
I thought she'd be at the bottom of the Thames tied to a policy obelisk.0 -
Would Nigel stand up and support Tory reforms of strike laws during a by-election in a Labour held seat? Should go down well with Old Labour voters.isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
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Take a look at Coventry NW - best Conservative result there since 1983.AndyJS said:I didn't expect a swing to the Tories in Vauxhall.
Changes:
Lab +4.0%
Con +5.7%
Green +6.0%
LD -18.2%
UKIP +2.9%
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Yup, they already made an example of Reckless so they can afford to be magnanimous to Carswell.SimonStClare said:
Oh I don't know, there will be more rejoicing in CCHQ over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
While he's at it Cameron should move forward with one of Carswell's pet democracy ideas and blame the failure to do it before on the LibDems.0 -
Ground war in action delivering "Thank You" leaflets in Merthyr
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O/T - Proof positive that Dave lurks at pb.
He's just acted on my plea yesterday and appointed Dom Raab as PUSS at Justice.0 -
It should be broken up and sold in bits like pieces of the Berlin Wall were.antifrank said:If anyone can locate the policy stone, I'd be quite interested in acquiring a unique election curio.
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Tactically, robbing UKIP of a voice in the House of Commons - and therefore of any Short Money - might be a wise thing to do. It would make it all the more amusing as Farage stands at each and every by-election trying to get that one seat.Lucian_Fletcher said:
Even if he wanted to, he should be politely told to eff off. He tried to help sink the party.Scott_P said:@smashmorePH: One betting firm emails me to say @DouglasCarswell is now 2/1 to re-join the Conservative party by the end of the year.
Carswell I would take back. The TPD? Not in a month of Sundays.0 -
I'd welcome Carswell back.
Reckless would be allowed back if he'd be happy for the prize for winning a Tory raffle is kicking him in the arse.
Every Tory would enter and we'd have enough funds to fight the next 3 general elections.0 -
LAB and LD peers won't risk causing crisis by blocking (popular) elements of the Tory manifesto. Voters will not be best pleased.
Plus, Cameron could just force through HoL reform with the SNP. (highly unlikely to happen)0 -
Is that IOS at the front?AndreaParma_82 said:Ground war in action delivering "Thank You" leaflets in Merthyr
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Will it be called the Imperial Senate?TheScreamingEagles said:We need electoral reform.
Multi member STV for the Commons.
And a fully elected Senate on 10 year terms.
There will be a 10 year ban from leaving the Commons and standing for election to the Senate 0 -
Due to the Turkey/Christmas problem it might be easier to do it the other way around: Multi-member STV for the Lords, which then has more legitimacy, so you can gradually flip the power balance back around until the Lords do most of the legislating, while the Commons just double-check it for stupids or things that hurt particular constituencies that nobody's noticed.TheScreamingEagles said:We need electoral reform.
Multi member STV for the Commons.
And a fully elected Senate on 10 year terms.
There will be a 10 year ban from leaving the Commons and standing for election to the Senate
Leave Commons MPs doing constituency social work under FPTP, but extend their terms to say 7 years (no problem getting them to vote for that) and they should gradually become less partisan and more independent.0 -
Can't see the Tories risking an elected House of Lords.rottenborough said:
The Lords would do well to play nicely. At the moment election of HoL is presumably off the cards under a Tory government, but if they cause too much trouble...fitalass said:"Of course Cameron could try to appoint dozen of new CON peers to bring the numbers into line but as Prof Russell points out the Tory manifesto had a commitment to address the size of the chamber and to have any effect a large number would have to be appointed."
This issue was raised on The Daily Politics today, and it was pointed out that its not that easy to vote down an elected Government's manifesto in the Lords. Not sure that the Libdem Lords would be doing their party any favours if they tried to now stop this Conservative Government KEEPING its manifesto pledges.
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I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
No.Pulpstar said:I've just had a thought
Dan Hodges REALLY was privy to Conservative private polling wasn't he ?0 -
Prizes for all?TheScreamingEagles said:
Reckless would be allowed back if he'd be happy for the prize for winning a Tory raffle is kicking him in the arse.
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I really don't get the whole Farage/UKIP resignation. Why didn't he just do what he said and spend the summer on holiday and then be "persuaded" back in the autumn? Nothing much will happen now for months apart from an emergency budget in June.0
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If Carswell joins the Tories it would give them a seats lead over Labour of exactly 100, 332 vs 232.0
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Who ;-)isam said:TGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
Alan MilburnTGOHF said:
Robin Brant @robindbrant 6m6 minutes agoisam said:
The lack of hostility to Ukip over the weekend was noticeable... 'Without Farage they will be irrelevant etc'... 'We have taken their king!'Slackbladder said:
Yep... UKIP sure aren't a one-man band...isam said:Haha love it!
Robin Brant (@robindbrant)
12/05/2015 12:03
He's going to go for it again... @Nigel_Farage on 5live: 'I would look forward to a by-election in a Labour seat very much indeed.'
But no! He's back!
He is risen
And the hate returns...
Good old Nige!
bbc to alan milburn: are you relieved its (new @ukip leader) not @paulnuttallukip ? milburn to bbc: who?
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Yes. It'll be like the twelve labours of Hercules for him.MarqueeMark said:
Prizes for all?TheScreamingEagles said:
Reckless would be allowed back if he'd be happy for the prize for winning a Tory raffle is kicking him in the arse.0 -
I've never understood why employees don't vote in strike ballots. I have a lot of criticisms of the FBU, but one thing they are good at is making it easy to vote in ballots. You get a ballot paper sent to your home, with a prepaid return addressed envelope. If you can't be arsed to vote in a situation like that, on a matter that is as important as striking, where you stand to lose a lot of wages, then, frankly, you deserve all you get.Plato said:Re strikes reform http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599020/Tories-to-bring-in-tough-anti-strike-laws.html
The Conservatives will push ahead with plans to ban strikes unless 40 per cent of people vote in favour of industrial action in government's first Queen's Speech, the new business secretary has said.
Sajid Javid said that the Tories will not "hide away from the changes we want to make" as the party prepares to introduce a raft of new anti-strike laws.
Under the reforms, public sector strikes will not be able to go ahead unless they are supported by 40 per cent of workers who are eligible to vote.
The government will also require turnout to reach at least 50 per cent of those entitled to vote for a strike to go ahead, and prioritise proposals to allow employers to hire agency staff.
Under the 102 strike ballots under the Coalition, nearly two thirds failed to attract the support of even half of the workforce. In some cases, strikes have gone ahead with the support of as few as one in 10 workers.
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You seem to be advocating the complete elimination of any power for the House of Lords. This is exactly the reason why we need the Lords not to be appointed by the Prime Minister.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: Non-issue. If the Labour and LibDem lords play silly games with the constitutional conventions (which I don't think they will), Cameron can simply shrug his shoulders, and appoint however many Tory peers are necessary to fix the problem. It's not an ideal solution, but it would work. Therefore, it won't be necessary to do it.
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