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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    edited April 2015

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    Hee Hee. Ain't nothing shifting the trend of a virtual tie for more than single poll or two. The parties must be getting very frustrated at us all for being so very indecisive.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Mirror can't even muster a "Tory baby eating scum launch manifesto that will take us back to the dark ages" headline. Most disappointing, must do better.

    The abuse is totally out of order.

    I suspect what Top Gear fans want is someone similar to Jeremy Clarkson. Not in behaviour, but someone who will take risks, make controversial jokes, stimulate banter and make it work with May and Hammond. Keep it an exciting and edgy show.

    Sue Perkins and Dermot O'Leary? Standard left-wing BBC comedy fodder. The executives will love them, but the fans won't.

    Top Gear would die.
    Topgear needs a real petrolhead; not some presenter from elsewhere. Who had heard of Clarkson, Hammond and May before Topgear?

    It is typical of the media to believe the star makes the show, when really it is the show that made the star. Get some proper driver or motor journalist in!

    I nominate Perry Macarthy- the Black Stig!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,478
    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    Scott_P said:

    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8

    Typically helpful of them.

    In one sense I could almost wish we don't have a referendum, as I am bloody sick of reading reports of how the rest of Europe is getting fed up of seeing us drag our feet and how they are 'losing patience' with us, as though the lack of enthusiasm of the British public is something our leaders are supposed to just ignore (which in fairness they have tried, but is becoming increasingly difficult) for the sake of not ruining everyone elses good time.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    If the Conservatives are going to win, can they at least do it properly so this IHT stuff gets through. Can see it being the first thing to be chucked out with the Lib Dem negotiations again.
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ok, I thought Labour's BAME manifesto was batshit crazy. I should have known better...

    Labour is to launch a women’s manifesto tomorrow

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/14/election-2015-live-conservative-manifesto-david-cameron-right-to-buy
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Shares in tissues - SELL,SELL,SELL!

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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    surbiton said:

    Moses_ said:

    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.

    THe ISS moves very quickly.
    Does that not depend upon your point-of-view within the space-time continuum? One would imagine Venus travels faster (due such things as mass and gravitational-forces)...?

    :neutral:
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    isamisam Posts: 40,971
    is it 2-2 in throw ins this week?
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8

    Anyone would think Jean-Claude Juncker wants UKIP to do well at the general election.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    Does anyone have a transcript of the 7-way debate? Would really help my buzzword betting for the 5-way. Also the format of the 5-way: do they get opening/closing statements?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,478
    Scott_P said:

    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8

    Brussels doing its bit to ensure Ed Miliband gets elected. This sort of stuff just hardens my resolve to vote Conservative.

    Right, must dash. Goodnight.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,884
    Sun reports Ashcroft as a Tory triumph

    Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 9m9 minutes ago
    Tories on track to win series of key 'marginal' seats despite Labour pressure: http://sunpl.us/601640po
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    Ok, I thought Labour's BAME manifesto was batshit crazy. I should have known better...

    Labour is to launch a women’s manifesto tomorrow

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/14/election-2015-live-conservative-manifesto-david-cameron-right-to-buy

    Is the male WASP Labour manifesto coming on Thursday? I want cheap beer, Cricket back on terrestrial and Ingerland to win the world cup!
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    surbiton said:

    Moses_ said:

    FPT

    frpenkridge said:
    Walking home in Penkridge at 8.30 this evening I passed a group of people staring at a light in the sky. They said it was the international space station, on an unusually low orbit.


    That will probably be Venus. Low down towards the west.

    THe ISS moves very quickly.
    Does that not depend upon your point-of-view within the space-time continuum? One would imagine Venus travels faster (due such things as mass and gravitational-forces)...?

    :neutral:
    I feel a Father Ted quote coming on of something smaller because it's far away

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Scott_P said:

    If ComRes and the phone pollsters are right, and a Tory lead has been growing all year, YouGov are going to be in a spot of bother for publishing inaccurate polls every day for 5 years...

    Remember that following their methodology change at the beginning of this month , Yougov are no longer primarily producing a GE VI forecast . Their methodology change is designed to measure VI changes from Jan/Feb this year . If their polls were wrong then . weighting to those figures will ensure that they are wrong now
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,971
    Scott_P said:

    Ok, I thought Labour's BAME manifesto was batshit crazy. I should have known better...

    Labour is to launch a women’s manifesto tomorrow

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/14/election-2015-live-conservative-manifesto-david-cameron-right-to-buy

    They are commited to patronising all special interest groups equally


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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,884
    Ken Livingstone retweeted
    Tom Copley ‏@tomcopley 3m3 minutes ago
    When will private renters get a £100k discount to buy our homes, then?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,942
    Interesting fact: Mexico will overtake Spain this year to become the world's biggest Spanish speaking economy.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Scott_P said:

    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8

    Brussels doing its bit to ensure Ed Miliband gets elected. This sort of stuff just hardens my resolve to vote Conservative.

    Right, must dash. Goodnight.
    It's a disgrace. We have a foreign political body attempting to interfere directly with an internal election. I thought that was actually verboten but of course when does the EU ever stick to a rule or even protocol when it doesn't suit them
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455

    Scott_P said:

    @thetimes: Tomorrow's front page: Brussels vows to block Cameron on EU treaty http://t.co/RAyV4LjWU8

    Brussels doing its bit to ensure Ed Miliband gets elected. This sort of stuff just hardens my resolve to vote Conservative.

    Right, must dash. Goodnight.
    Brussels is fed up of the UK and a significant faction are up for co-operating with UK souverainistes to get us out. If you think front pages of a row between Cameron and Brussels help Ed Miliband electorally, you do need a good night's rest :)
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Pulpstar said:

    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East

    Thanks AndyJS for a wonderful resource.

    Pulpstar - would love to see those seats polled - particularly RSL, BRS and East Renfrewshire.

    Not convinced by the Ashcroft Crewe & Nantwich poll earlier today - with C&N as the following makes clear, you've got to be very careful with your sample given red Crewe and blue rest of the seat. We have no way of knowing where the Ashcroft sample was drawn from, but its stakly divided nature makes it more suspect to faulty sampling, unlike other marginals which are far more uniform in nature. I still think Timpson will hang on narrowly there:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Crewe and Nantwich
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,115
    kle4 said:

    Sun Politics @SunPolitics
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    Hee Hee. Ain't nothing shifting the trend of a virtual tie for more than single poll or two. The parties must be getting very frustrated at us all for being so very indecisive.
    I think election campaigns are rather like playing football on a muddy field with a cannon ball.

    Its possible to score goals but only if the opposition incapacitates themselves first.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    rcs1000 said:



    If you value heritage and the natural environment, you are welcome to buy up the park to preserve it.

    Otherwise you are trying to use the state's monopoly of force to allow you to choose how other people use their land.

    Obviously, if you build a glue plant, then there will be externalities, and those need to be captured somehow.

    But otherwise, if you value the environment, get together with some friends who have a similar view and buy some.

    No you are allowing a framework to be developed within which everyone can operate. I am not an anarchist and neither, from what I have read, are you. One of the jobs of Government is to provide a framework of contract and criminal law within which all individuals and organisations can work. One part of that is reasonable planning laws that serve everyone and not just the big companies that can afford to pay whatever they want for land.

    Besides as you well know one of the powers the local authority has is to force you to sell your property if it gets in the way of a development. So your suggestion of buying up the land doesn't help.

    From the website of Barnsley District Council (as an example - almost every council has the same guidelines)

    " The powers could be used to deliver a wide range of schemes, such as new public buildings, housing developments, new road building schemes and alterations to existing highways networks, flood defence works, sewer water or gas pipe schemes and even large scale mixed-use regeneration projects."
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Ken Livingstone retweeted
    Tom Copley ‏@tomcopley 3m3 minutes ago
    When will private renters get a £100k discount to buy our homes, then?

    Livingstone is just a total utter tweet
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Scott_P said:

    If ComRes and the phone pollsters are right, and a Tory lead has been growing all year, YouGov are going to be in a spot of bother for publishing inaccurate polls every day for 5 years...

    Remember that following their methodology change at the beginning of this month , Yougov are no longer primarily producing a GE VI forecast . Their methodology change is designed to measure VI changes from Jan/Feb this year . If their polls were wrong then . weighting to those figures will ensure that they are wrong now
    What is the point of their poll if it is not designed to predict the election result? And if you have to look back at the raw figures of a poll before the inevitable adjustments - well what value is the headline figure?
    Is there a point to producing a poll every day? I bet (no, I guess) that The Sun only kept on the contact for the 4 day(?) a week polls because they thought there would be a second election soon after 2010. The FTPA scuppered them.

    As you say - 5 day a week when (if) your methodology is not (may not be) working is still no good. All they are doing is showing how a poll can swing between 3% either way.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    hunchman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East

    Thanks AndyJS for a wonderful resource.

    Pulpstar - would love to see those seats polled - particularly RSL, BRS and East Renfrewshire.

    Not convinced by the Ashcroft Crewe & Nantwich poll earlier today - with C&N as the following makes clear, you've got to be very careful with your sample given red Crewe and blue rest of the seat. We have no way of knowing where the Ashcroft sample was drawn from, but its stakly divided nature makes it more suspect to faulty sampling, unlike other marginals which are far more uniform in nature. I still think Timpson will hang on narrowly there:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Crewe and Nantwich
    Ross Skye Lochaber and East Renrewshire have been done once.

    Berwickshire Roxburgh Selkirk is one of the toughest seats in Scotland for the SNP and could be Tories ahead.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    But don't polls make adjustments for 'catching' too many of one party?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Scott_P said:

    Ok, I thought Labour's BAME manifesto was batshit crazy. I should have known better...

    Labour is to launch a women’s manifesto tomorrow

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/14/election-2015-live-conservative-manifesto-david-cameron-right-to-buy

    Racist and sexist...
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,299
    edited April 2015
    Can someone ask somebody senior at YouGov why they expect turnout (as a % of total population, not just registered voters) to be higher amongst 18 to 24s than over 60s.

    I would expect that it should actually be about 50% as high (of total population) and 67% as high (of registered voters).

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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Pulpstar said:

    hunchman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East

    Thanks AndyJS for a wonderful resource.

    Pulpstar - would love to see those seats polled - particularly RSL, BRS and East Renfrewshire.

    Not convinced by the Ashcroft Crewe & Nantwich poll earlier today - with C&N as the following makes clear, you've got to be very careful with your sample given red Crewe and blue rest of the seat. We have no way of knowing where the Ashcroft sample was drawn from, but its stakly divided nature makes it more suspect to faulty sampling, unlike other marginals which are far more uniform in nature. I still think Timpson will hang on narrowly there:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Crewe and Nantwich
    Ross Skye Lochaber and East Renrewshire have been done once.

    Berwickshire Roxburgh Selkirk is one of the toughest seats in Scotland for the SNP and could be Tories ahead.
    Yep but RSL and East Renfrewshire updates will be interesting.

    The Tory candidate in BRS on his twitter feed linked to electoralcalculus showing it a close Tory SNP race, Lib Dems can't win here style bar chart - all good stuff. One of the most fascinating seats this election.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    edited April 2015



    Indeed, the idea that planning is a good idea when it comes to the use and enjoyment of realty but a bad idea when it comes to macro-economic policy is intellectually indefensible. The only reason developers can make any money, for example, by building on floodplains is because there are those who are prepared to buy the houses in question. There is no injustice in the loss lying where it falls when the inevitable occurs.

    Wrong for two reasons.

    Firstly because the developers make claims that the land is no longer floodplain because of the mitigations they have put in - which are usually a load of balls.

    And secondly because what regularly happens is that the works developers put in to try and prevent flooding around their homes, even if not completely successful, move the problem up and down stream so that land that was not previously floodplain now gets flooded.

    I am afraid the caveat emptor principle cannot apply when you have lived in a house for generations which has never flooded and it then floods because of unsuitable floodplain development downstream.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of tonight's Newsnight Index seats forecast, as we just featured on the programme http://t.co/mEGjktJPt0
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of tonight's Newsnight Index seats forecast, as we just featured on the programme http://t.co/mEGjktJPt0

    What is the methodology behind this? What polls are they using etc?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    What is the methodology behind this? What polls are they using etc?

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of how the Newsnight Index seats forecast is compiled http://t.co/mJb3joB13I
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of tonight's Newsnight Index seats forecast, as we just featured on the programme http://t.co/mEGjktJPt0

    What is the methodology behind this? What polls are they using etc?
    Hanretty methodology - I think they are quite sound myself www.electionforecast.co.uk

    Though I have taken a differing view on some of the seats.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    So a the recent yougov 'targets for tonight' of 33 34 35 etc have been clever dummies to fool the navigators and the electoral forces have been wasting their ordinance?

    How many people realise that YouGov are not actually (as you seem to be saying) polling a true representative sample of the British Public. I certainly did not.

    UKIPs super secret stealth polling is certainly being kept below the radar. If it is showing the failure of UKIPs 5th column then maybe the intelligence on the capture of 36 is not so unreliable?

    I repeat I am glad I am not a betting man.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    edited April 2015
    So when do the LDs launch their manifesto?

    Edit: If they already have and I didn't notice, I feel really sorry for them.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited April 2015
    kle4 said:

    So when do the LDs launch their manifesto?

    Edit: If they already have and I didn't notice, I feel really sorry for them.

    Isn't that the best they could hope for?
    I'm not sure the Greens will be so lucky.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    Scott_P said:

    What is the methodology behind this? What polls are they using etc?

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of how the Newsnight Index seats forecast is compiled http://t.co/mJb3joB13I
    Crickey I feel patronized after watching that, without still being told the exact underlying methodology.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited April 2015
    Well with the both the two main manifestos now published i am reminded of the famous quote......

    'Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it wrongly, and applying unsuitable remedies'.

    Sir Ernest Benn ( 2nd Baronet)

    Goodnight !
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,115

    Interesting fact: Mexico will overtake Spain this year to become the world's biggest Spanish speaking economy.

    Considering that Mexico has well over twice Spain's population and many times its area it isn't that much of an achievement.

    Certainly the Spanish-Portugese colonies in the Americas have been less economically successful than the British ones.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of tonight's Newsnight Index seats forecast, as we just featured on the programme http://t.co/mEGjktJPt0

    Carswell is going to be a bit lonesome.
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    It looks like Lynton
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited April 2015

    Interesting fact: Mexico will overtake Spain this year to become the world's biggest Spanish speaking economy.

    Considering that Mexico has well over twice Spain's population and many times its area it isn't that much of an achievement.

    Certainly the Spanish-Portugese colonies in the Americas have been less economically successful than the British ones.
    Is this including the drug trade in the figures of GDP as we now do in Europe?
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    Looks like Lynton Crosby is trying to produce a manufactured row between the Tories and big business over their housing policy!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    edited April 2015
    https://twitter.com/chrishanretty

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfr14vVqze0

    Newsnight Index

    www.fivethirtyeight.com

    www.electionforecast.co.uk

    Are all the same.

    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/#information

    NOTE:

    How confident are you that UKIP will really do so poorly at converting votes into seats?

    Not as confident as the model says we are, for many of the reasons noted above. UKIP performance is uncertain in a way that is very difficult to model. Because UKIP has such a limited record in parliamentary elections, it is difficult to predict where they will perform well. Moreover, we just have no idea from recent UK history how well a party like UKIP can be expected to do in the general election compared to, for example, the EP election in 2014. The fact that our estimates put weight on both lagged vote from 2010 and current polling means that the model is skeptical about UKIPs poll numbers, and will remain so until shortly before the election. If UKIP support holds at its current levels through election day and polling begins to indicate that UKIP support is concentrated in certain constituencies rather than inefficiently spread across most constituencies, the forecast may begin to indicate seat gains.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013

    Ken Livingstone retweeted
    Tom Copley ‏@tomcopley 3m3 minutes ago
    When will private renters get a £100k discount to buy our homes, then?

    Their party likes to interfere with the housing/energy market when it suits them. (delete as appropriate)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNewsnight: A reminder of tonight's Newsnight Index seats forecast, as we just featured on the programme http://t.co/mEGjktJPt0

    Carswell is going to be a bit lonesome.
    Hyperlocal factors in Rochester, Thanet and Clacton tbh.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,377
    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    First...

    Where's yer crossover now?

    Sorry! I mean, disappointing poll for the Tories. :(
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    MikeL said:

    Can someone ask somebody senior at YouGov why they expect turnout (as a % of total population, not just registered voters) to be higher amongst 18 to 24s than over 60s.

    I would expect that it should actually be about 50% as high (of total population) and 67% as high (of registered voters).

    Which poll is that from? The 12th/13th fieldwork poll has weightings which are almost exactly spot-on, and thereafter an 'implied turnout' of

    18-24: 76.4%
    25-39: 82.8%
    40-59: 89.0%
    60+: 94.6%

    All absurdly high of course, because people lie - but not in the wrong direction across the age brackets.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    First...

    Where's yer crossover now?

    Sorry! I mean, disappointing poll for the Tories. :(
    I'm not going to vote Labour.

    But if I lived in Ilford North, I'd be out canvassing for Wes come rain or hail ;)
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283
    kle4 said:

    So when do the LDs launch their manifesto?

    Edit: If they already have and I didn't notice, I feel really sorry for them.

    Tomorrow.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Interesting fact: Mexico will overtake Spain this year to become the world's biggest Spanish speaking economy.

    Considering that Mexico has well over twice Spain's population and many times its area it isn't that much of an achievement.

    Certainly the Spanish-Portugese colonies in the Americas have been less economically successful than the British ones.
    Where would action movie film makers be but for Mexico? It provides an endless supply of easily disposable and hard to care for doped up henchmen to be machine gunned and blown up, before the inevitable sociopathic swarthy gang leader gets his. What is really unbelievable is that this is usually at the hands of an actor called Arnold or Bruce. I ask you...
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,283

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

    Talking of cats. Did anyone else see the No.10 cat arrive during ITV's Tom Bradbry live piece and just sit on the doorstep waiting to be let in? Nobody opened the door. Cat flaps for Downing Street: needs to be in someone's manifesto.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

    I wonder if YouGov are introducing an observer effect? It's human nature to not admit to changing your mind (or indeed, to actually not change your mind because you know you'll be asked about it).
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

    Talking of cats. Did anyone else see the No.10 cat arrive during ITV's Tom Bradbry live piece and just sit on the doorstep waiting to be let in? Nobody opened the door. Cat flaps for Downing Street: needs to be in someone's manifesto.
    My cat knocks on the window when she wants the door opened, but tonight looked a nice night for hunting methinks. I shall try again later.
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Scott_P said:

    @SunPolitics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by two: CON 33%, LAB 35%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%, GRN 5%.

    First...

    Where's yer crossover now?

    Sorry! I mean, disappointing poll for the Tories. :(
    You are right - we are getting a criss cross quiz.

    On the other hand this poll is really no different to yesterday's or the one before that, and why should it be.
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

    I wonder if YouGov are introducing an observer effect? It's human nature to not admit to changing your mind (or indeed, to actually not change your mind because you know you'll be asked about it).
    Like the Schrodinger Quantum Lib Dem voter in Motherwell and Wishaw ?

    You know they are there, but you can't be sure if they are certain to vote.

    If you are sure they are certain to vote, it may not be for the Lib Dems.

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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
    But what I thought was most interesting in the context of a knife-edge is that the (unscientific, yes) poll currently stands at 46% for coalitions involving the Conservatives, and 46% for coalitions involving Labour.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
    I've gone for Tory-SNP.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
    I have voted for a UKIP Green coalition (along with 21 others!). I would favour Farage as PM, Bennet as CoE. Farage could not be trusted with the beer fund...
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
    I have voted for a UKIP Green coalition (along with 21 others!). I would favour Farage as PM, Bennet as CoE. Farage could not be trusted with the beer fund...
    Very good fox. I think we could get away with Sturgeon as Defence Secretary. Infact we could do away with the army and just send Sturgeon to sort out any global conflict.

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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pulpstar said:

    YouGov stuck. But it does get a lot of attention purely due to its frequency.

    I expect a move to the Tory of 1-2% off the back of the good coverage today, but no more. If they don't get that, I agree there may be trouble ahead.

    I think the recent changes to Yougovs methodology are likely to make any change pretty slight. I am unconvinced at the validity of only looking for switchers that gave an intention online in Jan/Feb:

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/08/labour-lead-2/
    Exactly the point I made a few posts ago
    Hat tip to Mark Senior! I must have missed that when trying to get my cat in.

    Yougov is unnaturally static while some other pollsters are up and down like SeanT's moodswings.

    Take them all with a hypertensive dose of salt.

    I wonder if YouGov are introducing an observer effect? It's human nature to not admit to changing your mind (or indeed, to actually not change your mind because you know you'll be asked about it).
    Like the Schrodinger Quantum Lib Dem voter in Motherwell and Wishaw ?

    You know they are there, but you can't be sure if they are certain to vote.

    If you are sure they are certain to vote, it may not be for the Lib Dems.

    I think any more quantum voting on top of quantum economics and my head might indeed implode. I am beginning to wonder if I refuse to watch the telly on polling night then there cannot be a labour victory if I don't observe it.
    On the other hand if I do that I might call into being the end of the universe as we know it. Is it worth a try - bearing in mind this latter option is kipper policy?
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693

    The Express seems to be switching back to good front pages for UKIP after a couple of recent pro-Cameron pieces. Wonder if that's enough to shift a % one way or another?

    Agree that the Tories should get a bounce from today, good coverage albeit of some back of the fag packet 'this'll sound good and we'll worry about it afterwards if we win' proposals.

    Thought this was interesting if utterly unscientific: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/14-04-2015/which-coalition-would-you-vote-for

    The Tories would be having a very good night indeed if all they needed to form a majority was go into coalition with UKIP.
    The 101 people who have thus far cast their vote for a Lib Dem - Green coalition are likely to be even more disappointed, though perhaps less disappointed than the one person who is holding out for a Green - DUP administration.
    But what I thought was most interesting in the context of a knife-edge is that the (unscientific, yes) poll currently stands at 46% for coalitions involving the Conservatives, and 46% for coalitions involving Labour.
    That was the thing that struck me - the left/right balance very much reflects the polls.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    Fantasy Gov't coalition:

    Prime Minister - Nicola Sturgeon
    Chancellor - George Osborne
    Home Secretary - Jim Murphy
    Foreign Secretary - Ed Miliband.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,354
    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Isn't Mori the big demographics weighter ?
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    FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    I have false recall on this subject so cannot help.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    edited April 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Nick if I['m remembering correctly we were going to meet up the Saturday evening after you'd done canvassing in a "Strong Labour pub"

    @Tissue_Price
    @Alanbrooke
    @Southam_Observer

    (I think some of those 3 at any rate) and perhaps one or two other Midland based posters expressed an interest.

    Date was 1st Sat of May I think
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2015

    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS

    Thks old_labour. If anyone spots any mistakes, let me know.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS

    It is great as a summary. Given me a bit of fun to sift through for bargains.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited April 2015
    A boring technical question that maybe @NickPalmer can answer:

    How do the parties decide on their manifesto launches, in a way that each gets a day in the sun? Is there a gentleman's agreement where they settle on who gets to go when? Or does one major party simply announce their date first, then everyone else shuffle theirs dates around the ones announced so far to ensure they don't get drowned out on the Grid? (As the Greens seem to have managed to do with their mistimed clash.)

    I know with the party conferences there is agreement not to "shout over" a rival's conference by hogging the limelight with a new policy announcement, for instance, and I presume the way that conference dates are kept separate between parties is a side-feature of that. Does a similar rule apply to manifesto launches?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947

    (As the Greens seem to have managed to do with their mistimed clash.)

    I'd assumed that was intentional, to allow them to be mentioned, even if offhandly, in the same breath as the Tory manifesto, and elsewhere on the page the same day for online reports, to try and make the argument they are the genuine opposition to the Conservatives.

    Night all.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926

    Mirror can't even muster a "Tory baby eating scum launch manifesto that will take us back to the dark ages" headline. Most disappointing, must do better.

    The abuse is totally out of order.

    I suspect what Top Gear fans want is someone similar to Jeremy Clarkson. Not in behaviour, but someone who will take risks, make controversial jokes, stimulate banter and make it work with May and Hammond. Keep it an exciting and edgy show.

    Sue Perkins and Dermot O'Leary? Standard left-wing BBC comedy fodder. The executives will love them, but the fans won't.

    Top Gear would die.
    Topgear needs a real petrolhead; not some presenter from elsewhere. Who had heard of Clarkson, Hammond and May before Topgear?

    It is typical of the media to believe the star makes the show, when really it is the show that made the star. Get some proper driver or motor journalist in!

    I nominate Perry Macarthy- the Black Stig!

    According to Sun on Sunday Philip Glenister (Ashes to Ashes, The Love of Cars) is in the frame
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    AndyJS said:

    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS

    Thks old_labour. If anyone spots any mistakes, let me know.
    I would like to add my thanks Andy for the time you must of put in to make this great resource.
    One thing though, there are no majorities for the constituencies after Suffolk West.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Nick if I['m remembering correctly we were going to meet up the Saturday evening after you'd done canvassing in a "Strong Labour pub"

    @Tissue_Price
    @Alanbrooke
    @Southam_Observer

    (I think some of those 3 at any rate) and perhaps one or two other Midland based posters expressed an interest.

    Date was 1st Sat of May I think
    1st May is a Friday.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Nick if I['m remembering correctly we were going to meet up the Saturday evening after you'd done canvassing in a "Strong Labour pub"

    @Tissue_Price
    @Alanbrooke
    @Southam_Observer

    (I think some of those 3 at any rate) and perhaps one or two other Midland based posters expressed an interest.

    Date was 1st Sat of May I think
    1st May is a Friday.
    So the first Sat of May will be the 2nd then :)
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    ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Pulpstar said:

    Fantasy Gov't coalition:

    Prime Minister - Nicola Sturgeon
    Chancellor - George Osborne
    Home Secretary - Jim Murphy
    Foreign Secretary - Ed Miliband.

    Ta for the laugh.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Nick if I['m remembering correctly we were going to meet up the Saturday evening after you'd done canvassing in a "Strong Labour pub"

    @Tissue_Price
    @Alanbrooke
    @Southam_Observer

    (I think some of those 3 at any rate) and perhaps one or two other Midland based posters expressed an interest.

    Date was 1st Sat of May I think
    1st May is a Friday.
    So the first Sat of May will be the 2nd then :)
    Fortunately that's after pay day.

    Coral and SkyBet and Lord Ashcroft and Betfair have made me lock up alot of funds lol.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS

    Is that the colour of Danny on Election night ?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SMukesh said:

    Didn`t Martin Boon of ICM claim that the sample was more Tory than usual?

    I could have accepted Con36-Lab 33 but a 6 point advantage seems way off the mean of all polls.

    The Scottish Tories were far too high for the sample at any rate, and Labour were too low there - even by Scottish Labour standards. That certainly skewed it a bit...

    The England only polling showed a swing to Labour still.
    I was surprised to see a statement that ICM weights by demographics and certainty to vote; past voting wasn't mentioned. Is this correct?

    Nick if I['m remembering correctly we were going to meet up the Saturday evening after you'd done canvassing in a "Strong Labour pub"

    @Tissue_Price
    @Alanbrooke
    @Southam_Observer

    (I think some of those 3 at any rate) and perhaps one or two other Midland based posters expressed an interest.

    Date was 1st Sat of May I think
    1st May is a Friday.
    So the first Sat of May will be the 2nd then :)
    Doh!!!

    Misread it. Apologies
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Pulpstar said:

    Fantasy Gov't coalition:

    Prime Minister - Nicola Sturgeon
    Chancellor - George Osborne
    Home Secretary - Jim Murphy
    Foreign Secretary - Ed Miliband.

    Just needs Natalie Bennett as business secretary, Farange at the Scottish Office and Marty McGuinness at defence and you're sorted.
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    ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    Pulpstar said:

    hunchman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East

    Thanks AndyJS for a wonderful resource.

    Pulpstar - would love to see those seats polled - particularly RSL, BRS and East Renfrewshire.

    Not convinced by the Ashcroft Crewe & Nantwich poll earlier today - with C&N as the following makes clear, you've got to be very careful with your sample given red Crewe and blue rest of the seat. We have no way of knowing where the Ashcroft sample was drawn from, but its stakly divided nature makes it more suspect to faulty sampling, unlike other marginals which are far more uniform in nature. I still think Timpson will hang on narrowly there:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Crewe and Nantwich
    Ross Skye Lochaber and East Renrewshire have been done once.

    Berwickshire Roxburgh Selkirk is one of the toughest seats in Scotland for the SNP and could be Tories ahead.
    Kennedy smearing his Nat opponent, I think he is gone. I have a bet on him losing. Murphy obviously hoping for a Tory tactical vote now. Roxburgh, interesting one. It is one I didn't bet on when it came to constituency votes. Edinburgh South is Murray, utterly useless MP who was startled he won it last time. I didn't bet on that one. I have bets on Edin North and Glasgow SW going SNP., Fife NE as well since Ming the Merciless has gone. I wouldn't bet against Mundell though in Clydesdale. If he starts squealing for tactical votes I might change my mind.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    Pulpstar said:

    Fantasy Gov't coalition:

    Prime Minister - Nicola Sturgeon
    Chancellor - George Osborne
    Home Secretary - Jim Murphy
    Foreign Secretary - Ed Miliband.

    Marty McGuinness at defence
    Seems logical to pick the guy with actual combat experience
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    A boring technical question that maybe @NickPalmer can answer:

    How do the parties decide on their manifesto launches, in a way that each gets a day in the sun? Is there a gentleman's agreement where they settle on who gets to go when? Or does one major party simply announce their date first, then everyone else shuffle theirs dates around the ones announced so far to ensure they don't get drowned out on the Grid? (As the Greens seem to have managed to do with their mistimed clash.)

    I know with the party conferences there is agreement not to "shout over" a rival's conference by hogging the limelight with a new policy announcement, for instance, and I presume the way that conference dates are kept separate between parties is a side-feature of that. Does a similar rule apply to manifesto launches?

    I think it was one of the things that helped turn the westminster village type of people against Brown. His trip to Iraq to announce our withdrawal all done as the Conservative conference began in 2007.

    It just really wasnt cricket, especially when it looked like we were on the verge of him calling a general election. I think the narrative fell away from him that weekend.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    Seems it doesn't matter what Cameron promises, there will be no EU negotiations in the next Parliament.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11537057/Juncker-blocks-EU-treaty-negotiations-until-after-2019.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966
    edited April 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    hunchman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rumours of deep SNP targets being Ashcrofted:

    Ross, Skye and Lochaber
    Edinburgh North and Leith
    Edinburgh South
    Glasgow South-West
    Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
    Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
    East Renfrewshire

    And two slightly easier ones:

    East Dunbartonshire
    Fife North-East

    Thanks AndyJS for a wonderful resource.

    Pulpstar - would love to see those seats polled - particularly RSL, BRS and East Renfrewshire.

    Not convinced by the Ashcroft Crewe & Nantwich poll earlier today - with C&N as the following makes clear, you've got to be very careful with your sample given red Crewe and blue rest of the seat. We have no way of knowing where the Ashcroft sample was drawn from, but its stakly divided nature makes it more suspect to faulty sampling, unlike other marginals which are far more uniform in nature. I still think Timpson will hang on narrowly there:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.pl?seat=Crewe and Nantwich
    Ross Skye Lochaber and East Renrewshire have been done once.

    Berwickshire Roxburgh Selkirk is one of the toughest seats in Scotland for the SNP and could be Tories ahead.
    Kennedy smearing his Nat opponent, I think he is gone. I have a bet on him losing. Murphy obviously hoping for a Tory tactical vote now. Roxburgh, interesting one. It is one I didn't bet on when it came to constituency votes. Edinburgh South is Murray, utterly useless MP who was startled he won it last time. I didn't bet on that one. I have bets on Edin North and Glasgow SW going SNP., Fife NE as well since Ming the Merciless has gone. I wouldn't bet against Mundell though in Clydesdale. If he starts squealing for tactical votes I might change my mind.
    I've backed both SNP and Conservatives in DCT at a (Small) profit. Don't think Labour will win there :D

    North Leith is a constituency I've gone on on at various prices. Have some 5-2 in Edi South but only small stakes, I still think it is one of the toughest for the SNP.
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Sickly green, I hope.
    Pulpstar said:

    Thanks again for a great database, AndyJS

    Is that the colour of Danny on Election night ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,966

    Pulpstar said:

    Fantasy Gov't coalition:

    Prime Minister - Nicola Sturgeon
    Chancellor - George Osborne
    Home Secretary - Jim Murphy
    Foreign Secretary - Ed Miliband.

    Just needs Natalie Bennett as business secretary, Farange at the Scottish Office and Marty McGuinness at defence and you're sorted.
    Clegg at Enviroment.
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