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  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    edited April 2015
    Error post
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I wonder if the French ambassador will be getting any invites to Buck House soon? Certainly deserves one.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    RobD said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Oh dear, Nicola has been a very, very silly girl.

    Telling the truth in private, especially to a diplomat, is very, very naive.

    Obviously the SNP will go into full damage-limitation mode, and I expect they'll probably be fairly successful in transferring the blame to Labour/the Tories/Westminster. Even so, this is a mega unforced error.

    What did she say? I step away from PB for an hour and miss all the fun.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11514933/Nicola-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    MikeL said:

    Survation Best PM:

    Cameron 39
    Miliband 23
    Farage 13
    Clegg 6

    Same as Jimbo and Maggie in 1979.

    Best PM is worthless.

    Approval ratings is where its at
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited April 2015
    It cannot have been leaked by the French - they would not have had a copy of the UK account of the meeting.

    It was probably leaked by a civil servant.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Of course she wants the Tories to win nationally, that way she gets to push independence from the evil baby-eating Tories.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    anotherDave said:

    Speedy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Neil Henderson ‏@hendopolis 2m2 minutes ago
    SCOTTISH DAILY MAIL: Nicola - I want Tories to win #tomorrowspaperstoday

    It will surely create doubts about the SNP, however I don't think the press has the same power as did in the last election.
    The press follows public opinion, they don't lead it.
    That goes straight into the book of best jokes.

    Why are politicians and businessmen worldwide giving so much money and jobs to the press (and the media in general) if not to try to control public opinion.
    Though there are limits to the power of the preachers, the Pope and Murdoch discovered that many years ago.
  • EPG
    EPG Posts: 6,739
    FrankBooth said:

    I wonder if the French ambassador will be getting any invites to Buck House soon? Certainly deserves one.

    For tea and purring?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    PLEASE Mike, can the next thread be headlined

    "Ambassador, with these quotes, you're really spoiling us"
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    bigjohnowls said:

    MikeL said:

    Survation Best PM:

    Cameron 39
    Miliband 23
    Farage 13
    Clegg 6

    Same as Jimbo and Maggie in 1979.

    Best PM is worthless.

    Approval ratings is where its at
    Lol - Mandy Rice Davies from beyond the grave.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Jim Murphy ✔ @JimForScotland

    It's déjà vu - SNP not being straight. If Scotland votes SNP, Nicola Sturgeon will get her wish of another Tory govt.
    http://bit.ly/1D1tiCF

    The fightback in Scotland begins.
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    I wonder if Osborne is regretting his French bashing in the budget? Him and Crosby can't be pleased with this.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PLEASE Mike, can the next thread be headlined

    "Ambassador, with these quotes, you're really spoiling us"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P-nZZkQqTc
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    Is this the modern day version of the Zinoviev letter?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter
  • Carola
    Carola Posts: 1,805
    FrankBooth said:

    surbiton said:

    anotherDave said:

    surbiton said:

    Carola said:

    FrankBooth said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 25s26 seconds ago
    Told there's an interesting story about Ms Sturgeon coming up on @Telegraph website 21.30. @Spectator_CH on standby to follow up.

    Not sure what this might be - but just noticed it.

    She doesn't really strike me as the sort of politician likely to create a sensation.

    This I assume? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11514933/Nicola-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

    Obviously,the Tories leaked this.
    I don't see that's true. The Tories were pushing Ms Sturgeon as a winner yesterday.

    "Jim Murphy, the Scottish Labour leader, and Willie Rennie, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, said the “astonishing” account of her comments proves that the SNP really wants a Tory Government with few or no MPs in Scotland, allowing the party to push the case for a second independence referendum."

    Labour/LD seem to be behind this. They're the two parties on track to lose seats to the SNP too.
    How did Labour get hold of the memo ? You do know they have not been in government for 5 years !

    The Tories did it, it is clear !
    Think about it. It makes no sense foorthe Tories to do it. I haven't checked the story but the most likely explanation is that it comes from the French. France would surely prefer a Labour government. They have a socialist president and Cameron is determined to embark on a European renegotiation. The French don't want that. Neither do they probably want the UK to fall apart and this could weaken the SNP.

    McBride suggesting LDs.

  • Itwasrigged
    Itwasrigged Posts: 154
    Tykejohnno said:


    Jim Murphy ✔ @JimForScotland

    It's déjà vu - SNP not being straight. If Scotland votes SNP, Nicola Sturgeon will get her wish of another Tory govt.
    http://bit.ly/1D1tiCF

    The fightback in Scotland begins.

    BS!
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    RobD said:

    Of course she wants the Tories to win nationally, that way she gets to push independence from the evil baby-eating Tories.

    Quite - you have to be surprised that anyone is surprised. However, the Labour trolls tonight are totally orgasmic about a no-change poll just after the debates in the middle of a Bank Holiday w/e. They've completely forgotten what happened after last Saturday's YouGov as well.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Itwasrigged said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Jim Murphy ✔ @JimForScotland

    It's déjà vu - SNP not being straight. If Scotland votes SNP, Nicola Sturgeon will get her wish of another Tory govt.
    http://bit.ly/1D1tiCF

    The fightback in Scotland begins.

    BS!
    LOL

  • anotherDave
    anotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Speedy said:

    anotherDave said:

    Speedy said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Neil Henderson ‏@hendopolis 2m2 minutes ago
    SCOTTISH DAILY MAIL: Nicola - I want Tories to win #tomorrowspaperstoday

    It will surely create doubts about the SNP, however I don't think the press has the same power as did in the last election.
    The press follows public opinion, they don't lead it.
    That goes straight into the book of best jokes.

    Why are politicians and businessmen worldwide giving so much money and jobs to the press (and the media in general) if not to try to control public opinion.
    Though there are limits to the power of the preachers, the Pope and Murdoch discovered that many years ago.
    Are you suggesting that politicians are popular?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    You're right, so we can expect the impact will be minimal.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    Why do I get the feeling that whilst this story might be true, it won't change much? It just feels like the SNP are bullet proof and whatever is thrown at the SNP, Labour are beyond redemption in Scotland.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    felix said:

    RobD said:

    Of course she wants the Tories to win nationally, that way she gets to push independence from the evil baby-eating Tories.

    Quite - you have to be surprised that anyone is surprised. However, the Labour trolls tonight are totally orgasmic about a no-change poll just after the debates in the middle of a Bank Holiday w/e. They've completely forgotten what happened after last Saturday's YouGov as well.
    It's faux outrage. I know what's going on, you know what's going on, the papers know what's going on. Probably fair enough to say the average voter may not appreciate it, so that's why the papers are going to go heavy on it.
  • FrankBooth
    FrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Carola said:

    FrankBooth said:

    surbiton said:

    anotherDave said:

    surbiton said:

    Carola said:

    FrankBooth said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 25s26 seconds ago
    Told there's an interesting story about Ms Sturgeon coming up on @Telegraph website 21.30. @Spectator_CH on standby to follow up.

    Not sure what this might be - but just noticed it.

    She doesn't really strike me as the sort of politician likely to create a sensation.

    This I assume? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11514933/Nicola-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

    Obviously,the Tories leaked this.
    I don't see that's true. The Tories were pushing Ms Sturgeon as a winner yesterday.

    "Jim Murphy, the Scottish Labour leader, and Willie Rennie, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader, said the “astonishing” account of her comments proves that the SNP really wants a Tory Government with few or no MPs in Scotland, allowing the party to push the case for a second independence referendum."

    Labour/LD seem to be behind this. They're the two parties on track to lose seats to the SNP too.
    How did Labour get hold of the memo ? You do know they have not been in government for 5 years !

    The Tories did it, it is clear !
    Think about it. It makes no sense foorthe Tories to do it. I haven't checked the story but the most likely explanation is that it comes from the French. France would surely prefer a Labour government. They have a socialist president and Cameron is determined to embark on a European renegotiation. The French don't want that. Neither do they probably want the UK to fall apart and this could weaken the SNP.

    McBride suggesting LDs.

    How would they have got it? They hardly have a handle on most of what the government they're a part of is doing.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    For who ? Tories or labour ?

  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Ed Balls ‏@edballsmp 3m3 minutes ago
    The 'unholy alliance' revealed.. via @JimForScotland - If Scotland votes SNP, Nicola Sturgeon gets her Tory govt http://bit.ly/1D1tiCF
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DavidPBMaddox: 1/2 When I revealed Barosso said an indy Scotland would have to apply for EU membership Sturgeon said it was "a lie" but it was true...

    @DavidPBMaddox: 2/2 now @simon_telegraph claims Sturgeon told French ambassador she wants Cameron to win and she says it is "100% untrue" who do we believe?
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Ishmael_X said:

    surbiton said:

    In the Tory / UKIP coalition , will Farage become the Foreign Minister or Minister for Europe ?

    DFID I hope.
    Since Ministers usually go native once they get used to the red boxes and chauffer driven car, do you think Farage would be clamouring for an increase in overseas aid ?
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    anotherDave said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:


    Obviously the SNP will go into full damage-limitation mode, and I expect they'll probably be fairly successful in transferring the blame to Labour/the Tories/Westminster. Even so, this is a mega unforced error.

    It looks like a planted story. There's no video. So I imagine voters will dismiss it.

    Ah bless. Its clearly true since the Telegraph have seen the notes of the telephone conversation.

    It marks Sturgeon as a liar and it marks her as a wee bit useless herself in spouting her views the the French Ambassador. Serves her right for keeping him waiting and getting him so pissed off he looks to have spread the tittle tattle around the diplomatic circuit.
    Sturgeon started the campaign by saying she was really only a goody little miss two shoes and only wanted to reform Westminster for our own good; now its clear whilst she was saying that in public she was dissing Ed in private and hoping for Cameron to win to hopefully further her own independence plans.

    Where does all this leave people whose heads still haven't exploded?
    Sturgeon thinks Ed's a joke - so that seems a good enough reason for English voters to keep him out of her grasp
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Simon Johnson ✔ @simon_telegraph

    Interesting Scot Gov is dismissing the story without saying why. 'Lost in translation' hard to argue given ambassador's fluency in English

  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @EdwardDebi: Scenario: Strong SNP = weak Labour=Ed not PM = Cameron PM =SNP increase demand for referendum2 = Why #FrenchGate is potentially significant

    @simon_telegraph: Interesting Scot Gov is dismissing the story without saying why. 'Lost in translation' hard to argue given ambassador's fluency in English
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Is Ed now officially crap, since it has been noted in official conversations?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    The worst thing for the SNP is that they can't blame Labour for the story, as it is published on the Tory press and from the French.

    So they can't say it's electioneering because it doesn't make sense that a Tory newspaper would try to help Labour win the GE.

  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    surbiton said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    surbiton said:

    In the Tory / UKIP coalition , will Farage become the Foreign Minister or Minister for Europe ?

    DFID I hope.
    Since Ministers usually go native once they get used to the red boxes and chauffer driven car, do you think Farage would be clamouring for an increase in overseas aid ?
    No. If you do, let's talk odds.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Mr X,don't you think headline's like this in Scotland will hit the SNP vote,helping labour save more seats ?


    Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis

    SCOTTISH DAILY MAIL: Nicola - I want Tories to win #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/m8UYztc86y


  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
  • Itwasrigged
    Itwasrigged Posts: 154
    Scott_P said:

    @DavidPBMaddox: 1/2 When I revealed Barosso said an indy Scotland would have to apply for EU membership Sturgeon said it was "a lie" but it was true...

    @DavidPBMaddox: 2/2 now @simon_telegraph claims Sturgeon told French ambassador she wants Cameron to win and she says it is "100% untrue" who do we believe?

    I tend to believe Sturgeon. Ah Madaxe, I haven't heard his name in along time, I wonder how long it would take him to star his snivelling.

    Kat Renton tried to run a similar scam about Alex Neil some 5 or 6 years ago, she ended up with egg all over her Labour Party supporting face. The Brit Nats are getting really desperate.
  • Saltire
    Saltire Posts: 525
    tlg86 said:

    Why do I get the feeling that whilst this story might be true, it won't change much? It just feels like the SNP are bullet proof and whatever is thrown at the SNP, Labour are beyond redemption in Scotland.

    As a non SNP voter I would total agree with this. They are more movement than just a political party at the moment and I don't think much is going to get in their way over the next few years never mind the next 5 weeks
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/nicola-sturgeon-admits-the-snp-prefer-cameron-to-miliband/
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    Debates aren't everything ;)
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    RobD said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Is Ed now officially crap, since it has been noted in official conversations?
    It certainly promotes "ed is crap" from hypothesis to theorem, and axiom must be on the cards now.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    Debates aren't everything ;)
    Sorry

    Debates and interviews and question and answer sessions!
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited April 2015
    Tiger Woods confirms he will play at Augusta

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/32178468

    Fooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreee....bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep....followed by sound of club get smashed into the ground, will be heard a lot next week.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    Debates aren't everything ;)
    Sorry

    Debates and interviews and question and answer sessions!
    Still, that doesn't mean he'd be a good PM!
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    tlg86 said:

    Why do I get the feeling that whilst this story might be true, it won't change much? It just feels like the SNP are bullet proof and whatever is thrown at the SNP, Labour are beyond redemption in Scotland.

    I get the same feeling. In my case it's because the SNP and the Yes side beat me mentally long ago and I see only continued success for them and inability for anything negative to stick, at least in the short term

  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    edited April 2015
    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    I also heard that bears like to shit in the woods. I linked to the following Iain Martin article earlier today that said exactly this, Tories and SNP are "secretly" happy if both do well.

    http://www.capx.co/the-tories-are-working-for-an-snp-victory/
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    Debates aren't everything ;)
    Sorry

    Debates and interviews and question and answer sessions!
    Still, that doesn't mean he'd be a good PM!
    But it does mean that Dave isn't.
    He should be wiping the floor with Ed, surely. I bet Boris would be.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    That's about as exciting as ed almost beating Cameron in a coin-flipping contest.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    We're all agreed though, this is great news for the SNP.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    https://twitter.com/hrtbps/status/584106681732325377
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited April 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    We're all agreed though, this is great news for the SNP.

    Good for Yes, indeed!

    Edit: A tory majority, that is :)
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    RobD said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Is Ed now officially crap, since it has been noted in official conversations?
    You heard it here first
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    Speedy said:

    The worst thing for the SNP is that they can't blame Labour for the story, as it is published on the Tory press and from the French.

    So they can't say it's electioneering because it doesn't make sense that a Tory newspaper would try to help Labour win the GE.

    It is a double barrelled (whammy?) story though.
    Sturgeon is a liar, saying one thing in public and another in private ( a raving left wing nutjob liar as well)
    Even she thinks Miliband is useless
    She too is useless for spouting it all

    Scottish votes not to be trusted; in England, vote tory
    SNP not to be trusted in Scotland - if you are sane, vote tory
    Miliband useless everywhere; vote tory

    That's before you even mention Ed Balls.

  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
  • Freggles
    Freggles Posts: 3,487
    Unless of course Ed is just not great.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    bigjohnowls said:

    RobD said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    Is Ed now officially crap, since it has been noted in official conversations?
    You heard it here first
    Got BBC to agree to the EIC banner unfurling down big ben yet? :D
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    Debates aren't everything ;)
    Sorry

    Debates and interviews and question and answer sessions!
    Still, that doesn't mean he'd be a good PM!
    But it does mean that Dave isn't.
    He should be wiping the floor with Ed, surely. I bet Boris would be.
    Boris is a chancer,Cameron plays it safe.

  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    We're all agreed though, this is great news for the SNP.

    I disagree.
    Its great news for stand up comedy.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    'Ms Sturgeon has confessed to the French ambassador that she would prefer that David Cameron “remains” Prime Minister – and that she thinks Ed Miliband is too incompetent.'

    Poor old Ed's even regarded as a joke by Sturgeon.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    Basic NHS services could be charged for after general election, BMA chief says

    Exclusive: Dr Mark Porter says finances are so dire it will be ‘inescapable’ the next government will consider fees, though three main parties deny they would

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/03/basic-nhs-services-could-be-charged-for-after-general-election-bma-chief-says

    Next thing all the parties will be ruling out with cast iron certainty...
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/584108021137170432
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Blonde bombshell?
    Sturgeon is a liar. And as you imply pretty inept herself.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/584108268022341633
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Toby Young ‏@toadmeister 50s50 seconds ago
    My theory is Alex Salmond was so consumed with envy at the great post-debate coverage @NicolaSturgeon was getting, he leaked the memo
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/584108268022341633

    Told you it was great for comedy.
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,722
    I am waiting for Ed to demand a judge led inquiry into who leaked his information...or not :-)
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    john_zims said:

    'Ms Sturgeon has confessed to the French ambassador that she would prefer that David Cameron “remains” Prime Minister – and that she thinks Ed Miliband is too incompetent.'

    Poor old Ed's even regarded as a joke by Sturgeon.

    Think you might be missing the point.


    Again
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

    Of course.

    I've just sold the SNP on SPIN at 42
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainmartin1: SNP defence: It's not in our minutes. I"ll bet it's not! Dodgiest defence of the lot, used extensively post-financial crisis by banks.

    Scottish Executive calling the French Ambassador a liar...
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited April 2015
    Toby Young

    My theory is Alex Salmond was so consumed with envy at the great post-debate coverage @NicolaSturgeon was getting, he leaked the memo

  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

    Of course.

    I've just sold the SNP on SPIN at 42
    I'm about to join you.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Clearly a happy couple:
    https://twitter.com/NewsLine247/status/584109135194652673/photo/1
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Lewis Baston @lewis_baston
    ·
    Dave and George probably wondering whether trash-talking France was such a good idea. Revenge is a dish best served with Gallic flair

  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Someone tell Pulpstar quick
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    Would it be wise to start backing Lab in some Scottish seats they currently hold where they are greater than evens?
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

    Of course.

    I've just sold the SNP on SPIN at 42
    I'm about to join you.
    Like others I'm already very long on the SNP, and I've been thinking that the market had gone a bit too far in their direction. This news tips the balance: take profits IMO.

    DYOR, as ever.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.

    I very much doubt it. At least not in Scotland. The SNP is currently untouchable.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    This story is good for Labour in Scotland but bad for Labour in England.

    I agree with Nicola - Ed is crap.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    SouthamObserver said:

    I very much doubt it. At least not in Scotland. The SNP is currently untouchable.

    That is about to change.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    john_zims said:

    'Ms Sturgeon has confessed to the French ambassador that she would prefer that David Cameron “remains” Prime Minister – and that she thinks Ed Miliband is too incompetent.'

    Poor old Ed's even regarded as a joke by Sturgeon.

    The more you think about this the less there is to it. Sturgeon is just telling it the way it is, like Cameron saying he didn't want a third term. Ask yourself: had David Miliband been Lab leader, do you think this conversation would have taken place?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

    Of course.

    I've just sold the SNP on SPIN at 42
    I'm about to join you.
    Like others I'm already very long on the SNP, and I've been thinking that the market had gone a bit too far in their direction. This news tips the balance: take profits IMO.

    DYOR, as ever.
    Antifrank suggested he was thinking of closing his SNP book earlier before these events, so it is a wise move to take.

    Obviously the chap who sold the SNP at 19, is obviously going to be annoyed at us :-)
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    LAB most seats still 3.0 should be less if SNP gains knocked back by Wee Jimmys candor
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    TGOHF said:

    This story is good for Labour in Scotland but bad for Labour in England.

    I agree with Nicola - Ed is crap.

    How is that bad for Labour in England?
    The Tories rely on a strong SNP to scare voters in England to vote Tory.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    I very much doubt it. At least not in Scotland. The SNP is currently untouchable.

    That is about to change.
    I don't think so.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    I very much doubt it. At least not in Scotland. The SNP is currently untouchable.

    That is about to change.
    Bad news for the cons then ;-)

  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    edited April 2015
    SNP = sell. Bad news for the Tories as well. Neutralises their vote Ed get SNP line.
  • Flightpath
    Flightpath Posts: 4,012
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    I also heard that bears like to shit in the woods. I linked to the following Iain Martin article earlier today that said exactly this, Tories and SNP are "secretly" happy if both do well.

    http://www.capx.co/the-tories-are-working-for-an-snp-victory/
    Freggles said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 26m 26 minutes ago
    Can't remember many game changing headlines over the last few elections. But tonight's might be one.

    Shit its clearly a non story as DH is wrong about everything

    It is a non-story, but that is what makes it a story. If you think about it for long enough, you realise that Nicola's only motive for pointing out in a private girlie chat with the French that ed is crap, is that ed is, actually, crap. The tories weren't just making it up. This is it for ed.
    So given that ed was, at worst, almost as good at Cameron in the debates as per the polling, what does that say about him?
    In some piddling pointless 'debate'?? 7-way?? A 7-way where 5 have no chance of being PM but get to look glamorous in refection?
    All that happens is people puff up their manifesto and piddle on the others'
    A meaningless beauty contest.
    This leak is the meat of elections.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @Markfergusonuk: I’m no fan of the Telegraph. But to believe their front page is false, you have to believe a paper fabricated a government document
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Getting in on a Labour majority as well.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Ishmael_X said:

    john_zims said:

    'Ms Sturgeon has confessed to the French ambassador that she would prefer that David Cameron “remains” Prime Minister – and that she thinks Ed Miliband is too incompetent.'

    Poor old Ed's even regarded as a joke by Sturgeon.

    The more you think about this the less there is to it. Sturgeon is just telling it the way it is, like Cameron saying he didn't want a third term. Ask yourself: had David Miliband been Lab leader, do you think this conversation would have taken place?
    If the story was just her saying Ed is not PM material, you're right, it wouldn't be a story.

    The story is her saying she "prefers" Cameron to be PM, which can be spun by SLAB (however disingenuously) as her secretly planning to prop up the tories, therefore destroying one of the main pillars of the Lab->SNP switchers.
  • Tykejohnno
    Tykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Toby Young ✔ @toadmeister

    So how long before @scottishlabour produce a poster of Cameron with @NicolaSturgeon in his pocket? Counting the seconds

  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    TGOHF said:

    This story is good for Labour in Scotland but bad for Labour in England.

    I agree with Nicola - Ed is crap.

    So do I but so is cowardly.

    So will come down to which party people want.

    Get on LAB most seats at 3.0
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Speedy said:

    TGOHF said:

    This story is good for Labour in Scotland but bad for Labour in England.

    I agree with Nicola - Ed is crap.

    How is that bad for Labour in England?
    The Tories rely on a strong SNP to scare voters in England to vote Tory.
    Nippy sweetie who won debates thinks Ed is crap and not fit to be PM - but Cam is.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,804
    That said, I don't think this is going to do the SNP much harm.

    If you want independence, you'd want Sturgeon to do/want things that maximises the chance of independence, and a David Cameron led government offering an in/out EU referendum is the best way.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    Well knock me down with a feather - the SNP wants the Tories to win; whoever would have thought it? Anyone would think they thought a Tory win would make it easier to get a second Indy referendum or something.

    That isn't the story - the story is that Nicola Sturgeon appears to have been stupid enough to admit it.

    Dan H has this right - this is a bombshell.
    Won't it help labour In Scotland ?

    Of course.

    I've just sold the SNP on SPIN at 42
    I'm about to join you.
    Like others I'm already very long on the SNP, and I've been thinking that the market had gone a bit too far in their direction. This news tips the balance: take profits IMO.

    DYOR, as ever.
    Antifrank suggested he was thinking of closing his SNP book earlier before these events, so it is a wise move to take.

    Obviously the chap who sold the SNP at 19, is obviously going to be annoyed at us :-)
    I'd already closed my SNP Buy (I did so a bit too early, but you can't get them all right!), and laid off some of the more outlandish SNP gains. On this news I want to shift profit away from 45+ to 30-40.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    bigjohnowls said:

    TGOHF said:

    This story is good for Labour in Scotland but bad for Labour in England.

    I agree with Nicola - Ed is crap.

    So do I but so is cowardly.

    So will come down to which party people want.

    Get on LAB most seats at 3.0
    Labour majority is a better bet, I think this could be a black swan moment for the SNP and Tories here. Bad news for both.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Tykejohnno said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    I very much doubt it. At least not in Scotland. The SNP is currently untouchable.

    That is about to change.
    Bad news for the cons then ;-)

    It doesn't much affect the Conservatives.
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