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They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
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I know I'm a man with a fair few North Britain bets but it makes me wonder if the civil service is bricking it at the thought of a large contingent of SNP MPs ?SouthamObserver said:
Given that the premise of his argument is that England will be "largely Conservative voting" it's a pretty crap argument.Pulpstar said:That sounds like a fair bit of "forecasting" from Gus O'Donnell to me.
Or is that me being a bit Wings over Sheffield ?0 -
True true worth a tryTheScreamingEagles said:
I think I'd be better off taking the 11/2 on Labour having 226 to 250 seatsisam said:
Go on then, even money under 258TheScreamingEagles said:
Kinda agree, I've been desperate to find a bookie to offer odds on Labour having fewer seats in 2015 than they did in 2010.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
For those wot missed it yesterday, ELBOW for week-ending 29th March: 13 polls with fieldwork end dates 22nd to 28th March.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821834140628131840 -
But might well get 50% of the seats, don't you love FPTP.SouthamObserver said:0 -
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.0 -
So this weeks elbow awaits it's first Labour lead ?Sunil_Prasannan said:Sunday fieldwork isn't too unusual.
Most Populus and Ashcroft polls this year have had Sunday fieldwork end-dates, and they publish the following day. Just that ComRes last night jumped the gun by about 12 hours!
So for that reason, and I know it will disappoint the more, shall we say, radicalised PB Tories, I'm going to include ComRes in this coming week's ELBOW.0 -
The last FIVE weekly Labour leads in ELBOW (including 29th March) have all been sub-1%:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821839417398476810 -
I honestly think the Elbow is a remarkable tool, note how despite all the +4s, -3s etc in individual polls they always come out to -0.3 etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday, ELBOW for week-ending 29th March: 13 polls with fieldwork end dates 22nd to 28th March.
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If crossover were occurring I would expect the graph to look rather like that.Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday, ELBOW for week-ending 29th March: 13 polls with fieldwork end dates 22nd to 28th March.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/582183414062813184
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@ToryTreasury: Uh oh.. MT @bbckamal: Siemens spokeswoman tells me Lab "over-stepped the mark""
@bbckamal: Siemens on Labour: “We did not give them permission [to use the quote]. We did not know about this. We are an a-political organisation.”0 -
About 38-39% of the English electorate is likely to vote Conservative. The Conservatives will probably outpoll Labour + Green combined. If you tack on UKIP at 12-13% you get 50% of the English electorate voting for centre-right parties.SouthamObserver said:
Given that the premise of his argument is that England will be "largely Conservative voting" it's a pretty crap argument.Pulpstar said:That sounds like a fair bit of "forecasting" from Gus O'Donnell to me.
Admittedly that's as crude as the way people used to merge the Lib Dem and Labour poll shares together in the 90s to 'prove' England had a centre-left majority, but it does show England leans further to the Right and is not enamoured by Labour.0 -
To surrender his Seal of Office, I suspect.MarqueeMark said:
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
Reminds me of the time Sir Stafford Cripps insisted on seeing Winston Church at short notice. Came the retort: "Please inform the Lord Privy Seal that I am sealed in the privy and can only deal with one shit at a time!"0 -
You'Gov got it!TGOHF said:
So this weeks elbow awaits it's first Labour lead ?Sunil_Prasannan said:Sunday fieldwork isn't too unusual.
Most Populus and Ashcroft polls this year have had Sunday fieldwork end-dates, and they publish the following day. Just that ComRes last night jumped the gun by about 12 hours!
So for that reason, and I know it will disappoint the more, shall we say, radicalised PB Tories, I'm going to include ComRes in this coming week's ELBOW.
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My point is more that in and of itself a Labour government backed by the SNP is unlikely to cause general uproar in England. It's what that government does that will matter.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
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Thanks Pulpstar!Pulpstar said:
I honestly think the Elbow is a remarkable tool, note how despite all the +4s, -3s etc in individual polls they always come out to -0.3 etc.Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday, ELBOW for week-ending 29th March: 13 polls with fieldwork end dates 22nd to 28th March.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/582183414062813184
Your cheque is in the post
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And so it begins - like a leg fracture. I worked with Siemens about 4yrs ago on their global IT strategy and they are very hot on being neutral. I'm not at all surprised that they're really pissed.
Honestly, I can't believe Labour have used quotes without permission as quasi endorsements. It's insanely stupid. For any number of reasons.Scott_P said:@ToryTreasury: Uh oh.. MT @bbckamal: Siemens spokeswoman tells me Lab "over-stepped the mark""
@bbckamal: Siemens on Labour: “We did not give them permission [to use the quote]. We did not know about this. We are an a-political organisation.”0 -
Back in the 90s taking a photo of some text and putting it on a website used to be an anti-pattern used by people barely understood the internet. Amazing that Facebook and Twitter have somehow contrived to bring it back.Philip_Thompson said:0 -
Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Depends what you mean by right wing. There's a major concern about immigration but then levels have been very high in recent years and people are worse off than they were even if for different reasons (the financial crisis). I'd also agree that people are on the whole most right wing on issues like capital punishment than the elite.Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Economically speaking I don't see anything right wing about England.0 -
The last FIVE weekly Labour leads in ELBOW (including 29th March) have all been sub-1%:Ishmael_X said:
If crossover were occurring I would expect the graph to look rather like that.Sunil_Prasannan said:For those wot missed it yesterday, ELBOW for week-ending 29th March: 13 polls with fieldwork end dates 22nd to 28th March.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821834140628131840 -
Hmm, I'm not sure you can take the red liberals for granted. While most of them hate the Tories, many also feel very betrayed by the LDs. I know of at least one who will vote Lab even if it lets the Tories back in.Barnesian said:
If you assume that in English LD/Con marginals, most red LDs will continue to vote LD as a tactical anti-Tory vote, then I can see the LDs retaining 26 out of 34 Con/LD marginals. Con will lose a bit to UKIP and LD will lose a bit to Lab and Green but it will be mainly a repeat of 2010. The LD losses will be mainly in the South West.MarqueeMark said:
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
If you assume that in English LD/Lab marginal seats, some former red LDs will switch to Lab then I see the LDs retaining only 1 out of the 10 marginals. (Bermondsey)
In Scotland, LDs will retain only 2 out of the 10 seats (Orkney and Ross).
In Wales, LDs will retain 2 out of 3 seats, losing Cardiff.
That makes LDs retaining 31 out of their 57 seats.
In this analysis, it really doesn't matter whether LDs are on 8% or 15% nationally. It is the behaviour of the red LDs, (who have defected to Lab in the national polls), that matters in the different kinds of marginals.0 -
Do people project their own bias when talking with regards to generalities, I'm not just talking us lot - Gus O'Donnell specifically...FrankBooth said:Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Depends what you mean by right wing. There's a major concern about immigration but then levels have been very high in recent years and people are worse off than they were even if for different reasons (the financial crisis). I'd also agree that people are on the whole most right wing on issues like capital punishment than the elite.Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Economically speaking I don't see anything right wing about England.0 -
Utterly OT: those missing Top Gear may enjoy this mash-up, using audio from the show with Just Cause 2 gameplay. It works rather well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBi_h282p80 -
OT Does anyone here use TrackID? My new version is crap at recognising tracks. What's happened to it? It couldn't spot Sam Cooke doing You Send Me yesterday.0
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It's worse than that, several news sites seem to have decided on my behalf that I'd rather watch a 60-second video [at work, no less] than read a few paragraphs of text.edmundintokyo said:
Back in the 90s taking a photo of some text and putting it on a website used to be an anti-pattern used by people barely understood the internet. Amazing that Facebook and Twitter have somehow contrived to bring it back.Philip_Thompson said:0 -
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Viz have their own take on the Clarkson sagaMorris_Dancer said:Utterly OT: those missing Top Gear may enjoy this mash-up, using audio from the show with Just Cause 2 gameplay. It works rather well:
.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBi_h282p8
http://viz.co.uk/roger-mellie-top-gear/
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The Rise and Fall (possibly?) of UKIP? 13.8% lowest ELBOW score since late August
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821870579944448000 -
So apparently according to parliamentary rules since the election has been called MPs aren't allowed to call themselves MPs any more. Nothing forbidding you from calling yourself an MP if you're not an MP, though.0
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Tories on their highest score (33.6%) in ELBOW since the very first week of the series (10th Aug = 33.7)
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821857318729400320 -
To watch the Changing of the Guard?GIN1138 said:
So that's Cameron and Clegg descending on her today?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
If Ed can find an excuse to drive up the Mall she'll have the hat trick...
It's as near as he'll get....0 -
Milliband wants to see if Buck House has more kitchens than his mansion.GIN1138 said:
So that's Cameron and Clegg descending on her today?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
If Ed can find an excuse to drive up the Mall she'll have the hat trick...0 -
In terms of voting intention, I mean. Scotland isn't actually very much more left wing than England, in terms of attitudes, but it votes overwhelmingly left.FrankBooth said:Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Depends what you mean by right wing. There's a major concern about immigration but then levels have been very high in recent years and people are worse off than they were even if for different reasons (the financial crisis). I'd also agree that people are on the whole most right wing on issues like capital punishment than the elite.Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Economically speaking I don't see anything right wing about England.
England will likely see 50-53% of the vote going to the Conservatives and UKIP, compared to 37-40% going to Labour and the Greens.0 -
If Ed's coming the Queen will hide behind the sofa and tell the footman to say "she's not in".GIN1138 said:
So that's Cameron and Clegg descending on her today?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
If Ed can find an excuse to drive up the Mall she'll have the hat trick...0 -
How interesting! Thanx Dr Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Tories on their highest score (33.6%) in ELBOW since the very first week of the series (10th Aug = 33.7)
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/5821857318729400320 -
@paulwaugh: EdM ducks @lucymanning Q about businesses not happy at Labour being quoted in his FT advert0
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Tories do better when we are in British Summer Time?Sunil_Prasannan said:Tories on their highest score (33.6%) in ELBOW since the very first week of the series (10th Aug = 33.7)
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/582185731872940032
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If a quote is on the record and in the public domain then you don't need the speaker's permission to use it. Though as a neutral organisation you can understand why Siemens would want to make clear it is not endorsing Labour policy.0
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One thing about the predicted *touches wood* SNP contingent and the remaining Lib Dem MPs is that we could very well have House of Lords reform back on the cards.
What is Labour's view on that ?
Would the Lib Dems get squeamish about reform when there is a party that is a fair bit to the left of them on the issue in play ?0 -
Fraudulent misrepresentation?edmundintokyo said:So apparently according to parliamentary rules since the election has been called MPs aren't allowed to call themselves MPs any more. Nothing forbidding you from calling yourself an MP if you're not an MP, though.
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http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
No.Charles said:
To surrender his Seal of Office, I suspect.MarqueeMark said:
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
Clegg remains in post as does the PM and all other government ministers until such time as the PM tenders his resignation to the Queen.
Hell Yes !!GIN1138 said:
So that's Cameron and Clegg descending on her today?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
If Ed can find an excuse to drive up the Mall she'll have the hat trick...
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Depends (haven't looked at ad yet) - if it gives a misleading impression of endorsement then that may fall into trademark (?) issuesSouthamObserver said:If a quote is on the record and in the public domain then you don't need the speaker's permission to use it. Though as a neutral organisation you can understand why Siemens would want to make clear it is not endorsing Labour policy.
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Quite. Look at Yeovil - though Laws will probably survive.Garethofthevale said:
Hmm, I'm not sure you can take the red liberals for granted. While most of them hate the Tories, many also feel very betrayed by the LDs. I know of at least one who will vote Lab even if it lets the Tories back in.Barnesian said:
If you assume that in English LD/Con marginals, most red LDs will continue to vote LD as a tactical anti-Tory vote, then I can see the LDs retaining 26 out of 34 Con/LD marginals. Con will lose a bit to UKIP and LD will lose a bit to Lab and Green but it will be mainly a repeat of 2010. The LD losses will be mainly in the South West.MarqueeMark said:
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
If you assume that in English LD/Lab marginal seats, some former red LDs will switch to Lab then I see the LDs retaining only 1 out of the 10 marginals. (Bermondsey)
In Scotland, LDs will retain only 2 out of the 10 seats (Orkney and Ross).
In Wales, LDs will retain 2 out of 3 seats, losing Cardiff.
That makes LDs retaining 31 out of their 57 seats.
In this analysis, it really doesn't matter whether LDs are on 8% or 15% nationally. It is the behaviour of the red LDs, (who have defected to Lab in the national polls), that matters in the different kinds of marginals.
I have assumed that 10% of 2010 LDs in marginal LD/Con seats will vote Lab this time (and a further 4% vote Green) for the reasons you give,
That is why I think LDs will lose 8 of their 34 LD/Con marginals.0 -
@tnewtondunn: Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
EDIT: I suspect Cameron will be happy with that, Clegg less so0 -
Not quite. Parliament has been dissolved, it no longer exists. There are no MPs.edmundintokyo said:So apparently according to parliamentary rules since the election has been called MPs aren't allowed to call themselves MPs any more. Nothing forbidding you from calling yourself an MP if you're not an MP, though.
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Northern Ireland is interesting - economically to the left, socially to the right of England.Sean_F said:
In terms of voting intention, I mean. Scotland isn't actually very much more left wing than England, in terms of attitudes, but it votes overwhelmingly left.FrankBooth said:Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Depends what you mean by right wing. There's a major concern about immigration but then levels have been very high in recent years and people are worse off than they were even if for different reasons (the financial crisis). I'd also agree that people are on the whole most right wing on issues like capital punishment than the elite.Sean_F said:
One could certainly say Scotland was left-wing, if not Labour, during the Thatcher years.TheScreamingEagles said:
They'll probably get a Plurality in England just like Lab did in Scotland during the Thatcher and Major years.SouthamObserver said:
Ye shall reap what you sow
In the same way one can currently say England is right wing, but not Conservative, today.
Economically speaking I don't see anything right wing about England.
England will likely see 50-53% of the vote going to the Conservatives and UKIP, compared to 37-40% going to Labour and the Greens.
Politically almost completely seperate.0 -
Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.0 -
In that case they can call themselves MPs if they like, because as non-MPs they're not bound by parliamentary rules.JohnLilburne said:
Not quite. Parliament has been dissolved, it no longer exists. There are no MPs.edmundintokyo said:So apparently according to parliamentary rules since the election has been called MPs aren't allowed to call themselves MPs any more. Nothing forbidding you from calling yourself an MP if you're not an MP, though.
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Cameron moves to the far right? That might win back a few Kippers....Scott_P said:@tnewtondunn: Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
EDIT: I suspect Cameron will be happy with that, Clegg less so
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There is a lot of hatred in the nutty red liberals, and the far left in general, more than enough to go around.Garethofthevale said:
Hmm, I'm not sure you can take the red liberals for granted. While most of them hate the Tories, many also feel very betrayed by the LDs. I know of at least one who will vote Lab even if it lets the Tories back in.Barnesian said:
If you assume that in English LD/Con marginals, most red LDs will continue to vote LD as a tactical anti-Tory vote, then I can see the LDs retaining 26 out of 34 Con/LD marginals. Con will lose a bit to UKIP and LD will lose a bit to Lab and Green but it will be mainly a repeat of 2010. The LD losses will be mainly in the South West.MarqueeMark said:
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
If you assume that in English LD/Lab marginal seats, some former red LDs will switch to Lab then I see the LDs retaining only 1 out of the 10 marginals. (Bermondsey)
In Scotland, LDs will retain only 2 out of the 10 seats (Orkney and Ross).
In Wales, LDs will retain 2 out of 3 seats, losing Cardiff.
That makes LDs retaining 31 out of their 57 seats.
In this analysis, it really doesn't matter whether LDs are on 8% or 15% nationally. It is the behaviour of the red LDs, (who have defected to Lab in the national polls), that matters in the different kinds of marginals.0 -
Cameron literally gets to hide behind some nationalists.Tissue_Price said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.0 -
Great position for Farage is my first thought.Tissue_Price said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.0 -
Farage between Clegg and Miliband will be interesting.Tissue_Price said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
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Miliband slap bang in the centre, pretty good for him too methinks.0
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Behold the future if current immigration trends continue. Elysium it ain't.Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
"Which one of One's numpties flew that bloody Standard?"glw said:
If Ed's coming the Queen will hide behind the sofa and tell the footman to say "she's not in".GIN1138 said:
So that's Cameron and Clegg descending on her today?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
If Ed can find an excuse to drive up the Mall she'll have the hat trick...
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Miliband in the centre should be good for him.GIN1138 said:
Farage between Clegg and Miliband will be interesting.Tissue_Price said:Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Revealed - Thursday's 7 way debate stage order: Left to right; Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
EDIT Sorry. Didn't see Pulpstar was there before me.0 -
Yes it instinctively feels like the prime spots - image-wise - must be on the ends and in the centre.Pulpstar said:Miliband slap bang in the centre, pretty good for him too methinks.
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Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
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Not sure how good it is for Dave to be on the far end, poor for Clegg next to Bennett methinks - that side isn't going to be nearly as noticed, he'd give his eye teeth to switch with Wood I reckon.0
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You realise that's not new? I read that in 1996 i thinkTGOHF said:
Viz have their own take on the Clarkson sagaMorris_Dancer said:Utterly OT: those missing Top Gear may enjoy this mash-up, using audio from the show with Just Cause 2 gameplay. It works rather well:
.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBi_h282p8
http://viz.co.uk/roger-mellie-top-gear/0 -
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
White British people are a minority in London I would have thought that's the main reasonGIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
UKIP at 9% in London could be bad for the Tories possibly...Tissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
Is this going to be the order in which they give an opening and/or closing statement too? That might be more significant.0
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Just think that it is more likely that David Cameron will form the next government. It is instinctive but even today labour seem all over the place upsetting Siemens by using their name and Chukka getting into all kind of problems with the IFS saying that he doesn't accept their figures. Add in the SNP and the mantra of competence v chaos will have a huge impact.0
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Same as the ICM London poll last weekTissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
After ComRes, the Labour - Tory gap has widened again to 13 in Sporting Index. It was down to 9 after Yougov's 4% lead for Labour.0
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The main reason is that the LibDem vote has collapsed and a large part of it has gone to Labour.isam said:
White British people are a minority in London I would have thought that's the main reasonGIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
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There should be a "Super-ELBOW" for the whole of March due on 1st April. Last two monthly leads for Lab: January 1.1%, February 1.2%. March's will be at variance!0
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I'm really not convinced that where the leaders stand in a 7-way debate makes much difference to anything.0
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Who'd have thought wicked immigrants would have caused the LibDem vote to collapse in London just like it has everywhere else and that like every other big city in Britain London is more left than right?FalseFlag said:
Behold the future if current immigration trends continue. Elysium it ain't.Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
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Maybe I've been overdoing it a little - I had them 6.2% in London on an outturn of 11.8% nationwideisam said:
Same as the ICM London poll last weekTissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
The implied SNP propensity to vote is way up there in that Populus ... hopefully they'll be able to harness the zeal of the newly converted on May 7th...0
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Lib Dems may not be wiped out. The South West bridgehead may stay Yellow. But I am not 100% sure about Davey.Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
Well, I am not going to vote for him, that's for sure.0 -
c.40% of voters are from ethnic minorities; lots of professional public sector workers, and people in occupations like media, arts, fashion, etc. And a big, in your face gap, between rich and poor. Most similar cities in Western democracies vote left for similar reasons.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.0 -
My guess is that UKIP won't reach 9% in London as a whole (obviously, the party will poll well in Bromley, Bexley, Hillingdon, and Havering).Pulpstar said:
UKIP at 9% in London could be bad for the Tories possibly...Tissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
It is arguable that the House of Commons could punish all those who fraudulently impersonated MPs as contemnors of Parliament.edmundintokyo said:So apparently according to parliamentary rules since the election has been called MPs aren't allowed to call themselves MPs any more. Nothing forbidding you from calling yourself an MP if you're not an MP, though.
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The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.0 -
I think it will be, as nationwide, a volatile vote... 1-2% in tower hamlets and newham 25-30% in hornchurch and romfordTissue_Price said:
Maybe I've been overdoing it a little - I had them 6.2% in London on an outturn of 11.8% nationwideisam said:
Same as the ICM London poll last weekTissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
I can see Laws, Clegg, Browne (Yes I know he has gone) appeal to the soft centre-right; and Huppert, Farron's appeal to the centre-left but the root of Davey's appeal utterly mystifies me.surbiton said:
Lib Dems may not be wiped out. The South West bridgehead may stay Yellow. But I am not 100% sure about Davey.Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
Well, I am not going to vote for him, that's for sure.
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Labours crutch?!SouthamObserver said:
The main reason is that the LibDem vote has collapsed and a large part of it has gone to Labour.isam said:
White British people are a minority in London I would have thought that's the main reasonGIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
I thought that had been shown as less substantial than thought
In wales the lib dem vote went labour then Ukip if you look at the graphs.. It was mostly NOTA not sandals0 -
Isn't Andrew Rosindell UKIPpy enough for the locals? He was my MP, once upon a time!isam said:
I think it will be, as nationwide, a volatile vote... 1-2% in tower hamlets and newham 25-30% in hornchurch and romfordTissue_Price said:
Maybe I've been overdoing it a little - I had them 6.2% in London on an outturn of 11.8% nationwideisam said:
Same as the ICM London poll last weekTissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.0 -
All big cities on the UK mainland, whatever their ethnic make-up, tend to back parties on the left.Sean_F said:
c.40% of voters are from ethnic minorities; lots of professional public sector workers, and people in occupations like media, arts, fashion, etc. And a big, in your face gap, between rich and poor. Most similar cities in Western democracies vote left for similar reasons.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
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Yes, well I think that's the point. So many people I know have money in the bank, but still can't afford to buy a house/flat because prices are just out of control. A collapse in the rental sector and landlords selling up because they can no longer make outrageous profits by leeching off the generations below them is something a lot of people support. Especially in London. The Tories need to get themselves on the right side of the argument. Increasing housing supply in outer London and other places people don't want to live isn't going to make a difference. It is virtually impossible to increase housing supply in inner London, areas like Angel, Shoreditch, King's Cross and Bloomsbury needs housing supply, and that can only come from existing stock which means ousting the buy-to-let landlords.Sean_F said:
The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.0 -
What about controls for the global super rich using London property as a physical bank account?Sean_F said:
The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.
I don't know what the solution is - I'm a free marketeer - but London property rents and prices have got to the point now where something must be done. I can't see any mayor ever building enough to keep the prices stable.0 -
Given most of these people want to buy, they aren't going to be too fussed about that.Sean_F said:
The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.
Ultimately they are seeing all the money they could have been saving for a deposit going to some landlord.
Don't underestimate the anger there is amongst those who every month have this rubbed into their faces when rent is due, although it is very much a London phenomenon as elsewhere in the UK rents have been flat or falling.
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Yeah I think he will win although my uncle, a member of the romford Con club for thirty years, told him in no uncertain terms he had lost his vote to Ukip and lots of the posher part of rommo (Gidea Pk) have Ukip signs upTissue_Price said:
Isn't Andrew Rosindell UKIPpy enough for the locals? He was my MP, once upon a time!isam said:
I think it will be, as nationwide, a volatile vote... 1-2% in tower hamlets and newham 25-30% in hornchurch and romfordTissue_Price said:
Maybe I've been overdoing it a little - I had them 6.2% in London on an outturn of 11.8% nationwideisam said:
Same as the ICM London poll last weekTissue_Price said:
UKIP a touch high at 9% there?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
Very noticeable Eastern European community in Romford now, East London council tenants have been moved there from gentrified parts of Newham and the hospital built to replace the two that closed is beyond a joke... Google 'romford recorder queens hospital'
My dad works in a romford school ( though maybe in Dagenham and Rainham seat).. 18/23 kids in the class don't speak English as first language... Whether you think that's a good or bad thing it will be a vote winner for Ukip (and labour by my earlier logic!)0 -
One for SeanT, perhaps the finest novelist ever by this methodology:
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And small towns tend to be more Tory, even if the two areas are not massively dissimiliar.SouthamObserver said:
All big cities on the UK mainland, whatever their ethnic make-up, tend to back parties on the left.Sean_F said:
c.40% of voters are from ethnic minorities; lots of professional public sector workers, and people in occupations like media, arts, fashion, etc. And a big, in your face gap, between rich and poor. Most similar cities in Western democracies vote left for similar reasons.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
You can see this phenomenon very sharply with Coventry South and Kenilworth.0 -
Someone in Parliament has to represent the village idiots....from the insider's perspective.Pulpstar said:
I can see Laws, Clegg, Browne (Yes I know he has gone) appeal to the soft centre-right; and Huppert, Farron's appeal to the centre-left but the root of Davey's appeal utterly mystifies me.surbiton said:
Lib Dems may not be wiped out. The South West bridgehead may stay Yellow. But I am not 100% sure about Davey.Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
Well, I am not going to vote for him, that's for sure.
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'Outrageous profits' & 'leeching'. Are you writing the Labour Manifesto?MaxPB said:
Yes, well I think that's the point. So many people I know have money in the bank, but still can't afford to buy a house/flat because prices are just out of control. A collapse in the rental sector and landlords selling up because they can no longer make outrageous profits by leeching off the generations below them is something a lot of people support. Especially in London. The Tories need to get themselves on the right side of the argument. Increasing housing supply in outer London and other places people don't want to live isn't going to make a difference. It is virtually impossible to increase housing supply in inner London, areas like Angel, Shoreditch, King's Cross and Bloomsbury needs housing supply, and that can only come from existing stock which means ousting the buy-to-let landlords.Sean_F said:
The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.
I doubt many private landlords are 'coining' as much as you think they are.
I'm shedding tears for your mates whining because they can't afford to live in ridiculously expensive areas. Look somewhere cheaper, and less trendy.0 -
Just tell your mates to leave London.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.
Birmingham has stacks of affordable properties
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/22/birmingham-boom-londoners-move-in0 -
But, that didn't work out well in the past. People found themselves stuck with sitting tenants paying a pittance. The only landlords who went into the market were people like Rachman and Hoogstraaten who violently evicted said sitting tenants, and then made a huge profit on vacant properties.MaxPB said:
Yes, well I think that's the point. So many people I know have money in the bank, but still can't afford to buy a house/flat because prices are just out of control. A collapse in the rental sector and landlords selling up because they can no longer make outrageous profits by leeching off the generations below them is something a lot of people support. Especially in London. The Tories need to get themselves on the right side of the argument. Increasing housing supply in outer London and other places people don't want to live isn't going to make a difference. It is virtually impossible to increase housing supply in inner London, areas like Angel, Shoreditch, King's Cross and Bloomsbury needs housing supply, and that can only come from existing stock which means ousting the buy-to-let landlords.Sean_F said:
The problem with rent controls is that they just kill off the rental sector.MaxPB said:
I think Ed's rent freeze is very attractive in London. A lot of my friends are willing to give it a go having seen their rents rise by over 10% a year for a few years now. The Tories need to do something about greedy landlords or they can kiss goodbye to London for a long time. Most of my friends should be natural Tory voters (higher rate tax payers, educated, private sector) and most of them are open to it, but they don't believe that the Tories are on the side of young professionals and everyone is worried about being stuck renting until their early forties.GIN1138 said:
Any reason's why Labour is doing so well in London versus elsewhere?Sean_F said:http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
A good poll for Labour in London. Labour 46%, Con 32%. In fact, the Conservative vote share is only down 2% on 2010, but Labour is up 10%. Recent polls record swings of 3-6% to Labour in London.
They really, really need to do something about the private rentals sector and step in and take an axe to buy-to-let. If the Tories are ever going to win in London they absolutely have to do it. Generation rent in London (and other cities) will never vote for a party that stands for greedy landlords ripping them off.
Hundreds of thousands of people find themselves in the position of either having to let out their own property, as they move elsewhere, or wanting to take a letting.0 -
An under-appreciated fact about British politics is that the voters really, really hate free markets.TheWatcher said:
'Outrageous profits' & 'leeching'. Are you writing the Labour Manifesto?0
