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Agree.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
Re oxygen, it was Hooke and Boyle who discovered that 20% of air vanished on burning in vacuum. Science moved one step at a time.
Newton wrote four words on religion to every one on Science. Whilst devout he secretly did not believe in the holy trinity
He was obsessed with alchemy right until Hooke spurred him on.0 -
We also learned from SIndy that being registered as part of a campaign doesn't necessarily GOTV either.MarqueeMark said:
Before putting any money on the basis of that poll, I would want specific confirmation that the pollster excludes all those who aren't actually registered to vote. Any polling in London without this is going to be damned near worthless....peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
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Fits in well with the by-election and euro results, and is consistent with ICM and Yougov. London is somewhere Labour should outperform UNS comfortably.TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
The one note of caution here though relates to the population.
It is young, it is relatively transient and has a relatively high probability of being unregistered.
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A mean-looking hornet. A nest of the sods took over a barn-owl nest box last summer.Plato said:I've been squinting at your avatar - what is it? I think I've watched too many tattoo shows and can't tell positive vs negative space apart any more
MarqueeMark said:
Margin of Error determined to remind people of its existence in the current polling it seems....Scott_P said:@markpack: Labour four points ahead of Tories, who in turn are four points ahead of Labour #EscherPolling http://t.co/VKtYIEKoDR
Click on it for a better view....
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Colour chemistry _ I was told - is/was one of most difficult branches of chemistry - so well done you for exploring that side. Of course the early artists and fresco painters used pigments - did you ever do any ceiling crawling?Plato said:I don't know what made the subject so tedious, I loved biology too and expected to be entranced. Nope.
It all seemed to be about variants of Nylon but more boring. I have a peculiar interest in cleaning products and always checking out the ingredients to see what novelties are being used to fix a problem. Not a sexy subject, but fascinating and useful. If weird!Financier said:
Organics was brought alive when my Chem Prof allowed me to work with him on the synthesis of cortizone.Plato said:@Financier I didn't know you were a chemistry nerd either. Mine was all at the colour/oxidation end as I went into conservation/restoration of Renaissance art.
My best friend became an industrial organic chemist - a field I can't imagine being more dull. I found organics so boring. Even just thinking about it 20yrs later makes my heart sink!0 -
Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html0 -
So five years of courting metropolitan luvvies and they're going backwards ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
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I don't know much about Newton. He falls into the physics section of my mind which doesn't want to play. I really don't have a clue why I can't get the notion of the science of the unseen world, but I draw a complete blank a few inches beyond the Principle of Moments. I dropped Physics before the O Level along with English Literature [another subject I never got].
I just can't grasp it. Chemistry, atoms, giant numbers are fine and fun - the density of air? YAWNFlightpath said:
Agree.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
Re oxygen, it was Hooke and Boyle who discovered that 20% of air vanished on burning in vacuum. Science moved one step at a time.
Newton wrote four words on religion to every one on Science. Whilst devout he secretly did not believe in the holy trinity
He was obsessed with alchemy right until Hooke spurred him on.0 -
Any thoughts on what a relatively high or low turnout would mean for the outcome? Is a lower turnout expected than 2010?0
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Labour are good value in Finchley & Golders Green 11/4. They're trying hard for it anyway.0
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Possibly. As much as it would depress me, seeing Cameron stay in Downing Street might not be all bad. What sort of majority are the Conservative + Lib Dems likely to have? It can't be very much and backbench rebellions on both sides would surely become the norm. The Lib Dems have been remarkably resilient at a ratio of 5:1 - how would they handle 10:1? Both leaders would need to get a new deal through their parties. A fair number of Lib Dems won't want it and does Cameron have the requisite cash in the bank on his own side? Assuming Labour get rid of Miliband and replace him with a more popular leader (not guaranteed it must be said) then a second election in the Autumn wouldn't seem too bad.SouthamObserver said:
I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.chestnut said:
Probably means a good Yougov for the Tories tonight. They seem to move in tandem.TheScreamingEagles said:@PopulusPolls: Latest Populus VI: Lab 34 (+1), Con 34 (+3), LD 8 (-1), UKIP 15 (-1), Greens 4 (-1), Others 5 (-1). Tables here: http://t.co/BHGWbE8hAf
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Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
Now it probably makes sense to average the polls as they are coming closer together. Mr Wells would probably explain why that is rubbish.chestnut said:
Probably means a good Yougov for the Tories tonight. They seem to move in tandem.TheScreamingEagles said:@PopulusPolls: Latest Populus VI: Lab 34 (+1), Con 34 (+3), LD 8 (-1), UKIP 15 (-1), Greens 4 (-1), Others 5 (-1). Tables here: http://t.co/BHGWbE8hAf
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A London wide poll will tell you nothing about the prospects in any one particular seat such as Bermondsey and Southeat in London just as a nation wide poll will tell you nothing about the prospects in say Clacton .peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
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I think it was Isam who warned yesterday of the errors of reading too much into one poll. Yesterday's CR and today's Populus should provide a similar warning against reading too much into these silly debates/q&a sessions.0
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That's nothing. The SNP might get 50 MPs on 4% of the vote.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
Fair comment MM, but given the two parties' respective standings in the polls generally and the fact that the timeframe is becoming ever shorter for the Yellow team to make any sort of a sustained recovery - at Christmas I saw them winning around 13% of the UK GE vote, but 10% - 11% now appears more likely - accordingly I feel this seat is seriously at risk notwithstanding the undoubted long term loyalty towards the incumbent MP.MarqueeMark said:
Before putting any money on the basis of that poll, I would want specific confirmation that the pollster excludes all those who aren't actually registered to vote. Any polling in London without this is going to be damned near worthless....peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
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Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
I was told Metallurgy is the epically difficult branch with mind-bending maths.
I did ceiling crawling, had a pass to the British Museum library back room and had my mitts on Leonardo, Michaelangelo et al cartoons, Durer, Raphael and every imaginable printed, etched, silverpoint or pencil/ink drawing you can think of.
I got a place at the Smithsonian to do this and didn't take it as I simply can't stand the pretentiousness of the arty-farts. Printing inks is a huge subject - the bible text is about 4" thick just as a foundation.Financier said:
Colour chemistry _ I was told - is/was one of most difficult branches of chemistry - so well done you for exploring that side. Of course the early artists and fresco painters used pigments - did you ever do any ceiling crawling?Plato said:I don't know what made the subject so tedious, I loved biology too and expected to be entranced. Nope.
It all seemed to be about variants of Nylon but more boring. I have a peculiar interest in cleaning products and always checking out the ingredients to see what novelties are being used to fix a problem. Not a sexy subject, but fascinating and useful. If weird!Financier said:
Organics was brought alive when my Chem Prof allowed me to work with him on the synthesis of cortizone.Plato said:@Financier I didn't know you were a chemistry nerd either. Mine was all at the colour/oxidation end as I went into conservation/restoration of Renaissance art.
My best friend became an industrial organic chemist - a field I can't imagine being more dull. I found organics so boring. Even just thinking about it 20yrs later makes my heart sink!0 -
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
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Populus Con 34%, Lab 34%, UKIP 15%, Lib Dem 8%, Green 4%.0
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A Tory majority would depress and alarm me. if that does not happen, I am not that bothered about the result. However, I just cannot see another coalition. Cameron would love one, of course, but it makes no sense for the LDs.FrankBooth said:
Possibly. As much as it would depress me, seeing Cameron stay in Downing Street might not be all bad. What sort of majority are the Conservative + Lib Dems likely to have? It can't be very much and backbench rebellions on both sides would surely become the norm. The Lib Dems have been remarkably resilient at a ratio of 5:1 - how would they handle 10:1? Both leaders would need to get a new deal through their parties. A fair number of Lib Dems won't want it and does Cameron have the requisite cash in the bank on his own side? Assuming Labour get rid of Miliband and replace him with a more popular leader (not guaranteed it must be said) then a second election in the Autumn wouldn't seem too bad.SouthamObserver said:
I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.chestnut said:
Probably means a good Yougov for the Tories tonight. They seem to move in tandem.TheScreamingEagles said:@PopulusPolls: Latest Populus VI: Lab 34 (+1), Con 34 (+3), LD 8 (-1), UKIP 15 (-1), Greens 4 (-1), Others 5 (-1). Tables here: http://t.co/BHGWbE8hAf
A second election in November would be fascinating. If Cameron is PM after May, he will have served his second term. Does that mean he steps down? I cannot see EdM lasting if Labour is not the biggest party. He has no discernible base in the party. As a big Dan Jarvis fan, I'd like to see him take over, but this year may be too early for him.
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I for one am glad to see the tories stick up for pupils against the status quo.
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Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.0
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Teachers tend to be anti-government (annoyance about the employers) - I remember in 2010 someone saying "Of course I won't vote Labour - I'm a teacher and you've squeezed our pay." Nowadays it's certainly true that if someone says they're a teacher you're odds-on that the next sentence will be "so I'm not voting Tory". There is often then a short discussion about tactical voting...
Think Mike said not till after Easter.rogerh said:Do we get an ICM/Guardian poll this week.Looking back to 2010 weekly ICM polls kicked off at the end of March/early April?
The Periodic Table of Elements videos are good fun - by one of my non-party local endorsers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Poliakoff. He was knighted for his services to popularising chemistry (he's currently the Royal Academy "Foreign Minister" and spends half his time abroad promoting British science), and is the brother of brilliant playwright Stephen P - remarkable family.Verulamius said:
There is currently a series on BBC4 about the history of chemistry and the discovery of the elements.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
I think there's some evidence that if one party seems to be running away with it, wavering voters rally behind the other one - it's not that they want them to win, but they don't want them to get totally stuffed. I remember the phenomenon in 1983 (Labour) and 1997 (Conservatives), when the losing party in both cases did a bit less badly than expected. Perhaps the LibDems will benefit this time?Patrick said:Here's a question for the knowledgeable psephologists: Does ramping a particular poll result create a bandwagon or a negative reaction? We see the BBC ramping a (Yougov) Labour lead and the Daily Mail ramping a (Comres) Tory lead. Does this help their respective tribes? Or does the Labour lead scare more people into voting Tory (and vice versa)?
As for Populus: more evidence for the "It's a tie and nothing is happening!" theory.
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Aren't the LDs typically expected to revive to about 15%? Well they used to IIRC.
Will this time be so different? I just don't have any feel for this and glad I'm not a pollster. This has 1992 written all over it.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
Probably involves sheepSean_F said:Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.
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Agree that things look horrible for the LibDems. But there are supposedly huge numbers missing off the registers. It is possible that pollsters DO ignore those who aren't registered AND that recent registration drives are putting some of the Labour vote back in the mix, giving them a rise in this poll.peter_from_putney said:
Fair comment MM, but given the two parties' respective standings in the polls generally and the fact that the timeframe is becoming ever shorter for the Yellow team to make any sort of a sustained recovery - at Christmas I saw them winning around 13% of the UK GE vote, but 10% - 11% now appears more likely - accordingly I feel this seat is seriously at risk notwithstanding the undoubted long term loyalty towards the incumbent MP.MarqueeMark said:
Before putting any money on the basis of that poll, I would want specific confirmation that the pollster excludes all those who aren't actually registered to vote. Any polling in London without this is going to be damned near worthless....peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
But my gut instinct says Hughes' voters are more likely to be registered than those who are supposedly going to vote him out.0 -
I don't think the financial markets are pricing in the likely outcome of the GE and potential government weakness thereafter (whoever is PM) at all. The financail markets and betting markets seem to be blithely ignoring the polling reality and system bias towards Labour and saying to themselves 'we surely won't elect Ed to power will we?'. The GE result could be a shock for some.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - especially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West, maybe a tad stronger in Scotland.
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?0 -
Sean_F said:
Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.
Not much change.
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2015-03-30/poll-shows-increased-labour-lead-in-wales/0 -
Speaking of extinction level events - I saw Valley of Gwangi the other Saturday morning. The stop-motion is superb for 1969. As is the trick horseback riding. We just don't see the likes of that talent in movies today.MarqueeMark said:
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
All very interesting, but has antifrank reached his "conclusions" a tad too early, especially if there is a clear indication of a shift in Voting Intentions as indicated by both ComRes last night and by Populus this morning?TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy
It might be worth holding fire on the betting front insofar as the overall result is concerned for at least a further few days.0 -
The fieldwork is nearly two months old.Artist said:Sean_F said:Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.
Not much change.
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2015-03-30/poll-shows-increased-labour-lead-in-wales/0 -
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
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In the Northwest, Morecambe and Lunsdale/Bury North are two interesting ones - Morecambe looking far better for the Conservatives than Bury North to hold despite the reasonable difference in initial majority.chestnut said:
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - espcially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West,
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?
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Best betting strategy could be to wait for a poll, give it an hour or two for the excitable poll watchers to over react, then lay whoever did well in that poll
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On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
I can't believe any "expert analysis" is being on two month old data. That is ridiculous at this point.TheScreamingEagles said:
The fieldwork is nearly two months old.Artist said:Sean_F said:Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.
Not much change.
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2015-03-30/poll-shows-increased-labour-lead-in-wales/
Welsh polling may be worth looking at again after Leanne is on the Telly anyway.0 -
I know, but when you're polling single digits London wide/nationwide, and that you can't poll a negative share of the vote in some places, you have say they will do badly in the seats they hold as well.JackW said:
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
I'm grateful to Lord Ashcroft, but we're putting an awful lot of faith in an untested pollster, in area of polling which is notoriously difficult to poll.
Normally I'm bullish on Lib Dem figures, but I've felt something isn't quite right with the Lib Dems in recent months.
Note the fiasco of their private polling which didn't quite live up to the hype.0 -
The ICM Wisdom Index indicates around 14%.Plato said:Aren't the LDs typically expected to revive to about 15%? Well they used to IIRC.
Will this time be so different? I just don't have any feel for this and glad I'm not a pollster. This has 1992 written all over it.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
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Labour is going to struggle big time in the Midlands. I had built that into my thinking about it being the largest party in a new hung Parliament, but since the collapse in Scotland I cannot see how Labour is going to win close to most seats. It'll pick up some in London and the North - and probably in almost every English and Welsh seat where it is currently second to an LD, but beyond that it is going to be a struggle. So, yes, I can see Labour staying pretty much where it is, maybe even down a tad if Scotland is real carnage. The one bright spot will be the end of EdM.chestnut said:
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - espcially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West,
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?
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Kinda agree, I've been desperate to find a bookie to offer odds on Labour having fewer seats in 2015 than they did in 2010.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
The BBC has a nice quiz for every constituency here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies
Ashamed to say I only hit the "cunning constituent" bracket (overestimated house prices and public employment).0 -
That's interesting nugget-wise. Many thanx for the data.JackW said:
The ICM Wisdom Index indicates around 14%.Plato said:Aren't the LDs typically expected to revive to about 15%? Well they used to IIRC.
Will this time be so different? I just don't have any feel for this and glad I'm not a pollster. This has 1992 written all over it.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.0 -
Sorry, I wrote badly. I think the Sporting Index price assumes a recovery to the 10% level, maybe even a little more. I do not believe the lib dems will get more than a dozen seats if they end up on 8%, but I can see 30 if they get to 11%, and the UKIP vote holds up.isam said:0 -
Looks like a typo to me.TheScreamingEagles said:
The fieldwork is nearly two months old.Artist said:Sean_F said:Apparently, we'll also receive a "full Welsh" today, which sounds like something you'd pay a prostitute for.
Not much change.
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2015-03-30/poll-shows-increased-labour-lead-in-wales/
It also says
"And here there is further bad news for the Welsh Liberal Democrats. Fully 18 percent of all those who indicated that they would vote Lib-Dem in the general election actually placed themselves between 0 and 3 on the scale of how likely they were to vote; no other party had more than 4 percent of its supporters claiming to be so unlikely to take part in the election."0 -
What does that matter? It is about the basic principles of the scientific method. How many people 'agree' or disagree with me doesn't matter at all as far as science is concerned. That comment you just made in itself shows a complete lack of understanding of what science is and what it does.logical_song said:
Even if you area scientist, you are in a minority.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.logical_song said:
It's either happening or it's not. Science is all about testing and refining theory to explain the observed facts. Based on that scientists from around the world have concluded that AGW is real.Plato said:AGW is a prime example of politicised science.
Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, during the Cold War there were two competing theories of how the brain worked, both of which have some merit.
The capitalist, individualistic West favoured compartmentalisation (so, a given cortex handles speech, another dexterity, and so on). The Communist USSR preferred a more diffuse approach, whereby each neuron was equal and if the brain were damaged those that remained could adapt to it.
Both have a lot of truth to them (the brain's highly plastic, and, at the same time, certain areas seem to 'specialise'), but the science was driven by politics.
No politician wants to spend money if it's not necessary, so in whose interest is it to 'make up' AGW? I can see that there would be organisations who would want to do the opposite, oil companies for example.
Indeed the 'A' portion of AGW has not been tested at all. It is based entirely upon modelling which has failed to match the observed data.
The whole debate is an utter failure of basic scientific principles which is then used as the basis for policy decisions and political posturing by those who fail to understand those basic principles.0 -
Lord A tells us that Ed Davey seems to be holding up but I have no idea why.0
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I'm on that band at 12/1, which I got in early February. I'm on the same band for the Conservatives at 16/1.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
Go on then, even money under 258TheScreamingEagles said:
Kinda agree, I've been desperate to find a bookie to offer odds on Labour having fewer seats in 2015 than they did in 2010.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?SouthamObserver said:
Labour is going to struggle big time in the Midlands. I had built that into my thinking about it being the largest party in a new hung Parliament, but since the collapse in Scotland I cannot see how Labour is going to win close to most seats. It'll pick up some in London and the North - and probably in almost every English and Welsh seat where it is currently second to an LD, but beyond that it is going to be a struggle. So, yes, I can see Labour staying pretty much where it is, maybe even down a tad if Scotland is real carnage. The one bright spot will be the end of EdM.chestnut said:
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - espcially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West,
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?0 -
You're picking and choosing your polls rather selectively.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but when you're polling single digits London wide/nationwide, and that you can't poll a negative share of the vote in some places, you have say they will do badly in the seats they hold as well.JackW said:
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
I'm grateful to Lord Ashcroft, but we're putting an awful lot of faith in an untested pollster, in area of polling which is notoriously difficult to poll.
Normally I'm bullish on Lib Dem figures, but I've felt something isn't quite right with the Lib Dems in recent months.
Note the fiasco of their private polling which didn't quite live up to the hype.
There is no inconsistency between LibDems polling around 8-10% and polling well in their held seats. For the yellow peril it's about fighting 60 by-elections and to hell with the rest.
Another factor this time is unlike every prior general elections the LibDems have a very large war chest.
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Ah I seercs1000 said:
Sorry, I wrote badly. I think the Sporting Index price assumes a recovery to the 10% level, maybe even a little more. I do not believe the lib dems will get more than a dozen seats if they end up on 8%, but I can see 30 if they get to 11%, and the UKIP vote holds up.isam said:
Well Ukip vs lib dem is 1/3 vs 9/4... I wonder what that translates as in vote share? 12 vs 10?0 -
IndeedRichard_Tyndall said:
What does that matter? It is about the basic principles of the scientific method. How many people 'agree' or disagree with me doesn't matter at all as far as science is concerned. That comment you just made in itself shows a complete lack of understanding of what science is and what it does.logical_song said:
Even if you area scientist, you are in a minority.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.logical_song said:
It's either happening or it's not. Science is all about testing and refining theory to explain the observed facts. Based on that scientists from around the world have concluded that AGW is real.Plato said:AGW is a prime example of politicised science.
Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, during the Cold War there were two competing theories of how the brain worked, both of which have some merit.
The capitalist, individualistic West favoured compartmentalisation (so, a given cortex handles speech, another dexterity, and so on). The Communist USSR preferred a more diffuse approach, whereby each neuron was equal and if the brain were damaged those that remained could adapt to it.
Both have a lot of truth to them (the brain's highly plastic, and, at the same time, certain areas seem to 'specialise'), but the science was driven by politics.
No politician wants to spend money if it's not necessary, so in whose interest is it to 'make up' AGW? I can see that there would be organisations who would want to do the opposite, oil companies for example.
Indeed the 'A' portion of AGW has not been tested at all. It is based entirely upon modelling which has failed to match the observed data.
The whole debate is an utter failure of basic scientific principles which is then used as the basis for policy decisions and political posturing by those who fail to understand those basic principles.
Aren't most scientists that make major breakthroughs in a minority?0 -
Oh Jack, I'm someone who has been backing the Lib Dems to do better than people expect for most of this parliament.JackW said:
You're picking and choosing your polls rather selectively.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but when you're polling single digits London wide/nationwide, and that you can't poll a negative share of the vote in some places, you have say they will do badly in the seats they hold as well.JackW said:
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
I'm grateful to Lord Ashcroft, but we're putting an awful lot of faith in an untested pollster, in area of polling which is notoriously difficult to poll.
Normally I'm bullish on Lib Dem figures, but I've felt something isn't quite right with the Lib Dems in recent months.
Note the fiasco of their private polling which didn't quite live up to the hype.
There is no inconsistency between LibDems polling around 8-10% and polling well in their held seats. For the yellow peril it's about fighting 60 by-elections and to hell with the rest.
Another factor this time is unlike every prior general elections the LibDems have a very large war chest.
I expected the Lib Dems to improve their nationwide polling by now, so have hedged accordingly.
I concur with the output of your ARSE for the Lib Dems.0 -
There will be a big drop in the LD vote, most of which will go to Labour. That will help it take LD and Tory seats. There may also be some slight Tory drift to UKIP.Plato said:I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?
SouthamObserver said:
Labour is going to struggle big time in the Midlands. I had built that into my thinking about it being the largest party in a new hung Parliament, but since the collapse in Scotland I cannot see how Labour is going to win close to most seats. It'll pick up some in London and the North - and probably in almost every English and Welsh seat where it is currently second to an LD, but beyond that it is going to be a struggle. So, yes, I can see Labour staying pretty much where it is, maybe even down a tad if Scotland is real carnage. The one bright spot will be the end of EdM.chestnut said:
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - espcially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West,
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?
In short, what Labour was counting on for the whole country looks like happening in London only.
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Surely it is a truism that to make a breakthrough - you are a pioneer and therefore not part of the flock.
Galileo and loads of others know what unpopularity is.isam said:
IndeedRichard_Tyndall said:
What does that matter? It is about the basic principles of the scientific method. How many people 'agree' or disagree with me doesn't matter at all as far as science is concerned. That comment you just made in itself shows a complete lack of understanding of what science is and what it does.logical_song said:
Even if you area scientist, you are in a minority.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not true.logical_song said:
It's either happening or it's not. Science is all about testing and refining theory to explain the observed facts. Based on that scientists from around the world have concluded that AGW is real.Plato said:AGW is a prime example of politicised science.
Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, during the Cold War there were two competing theories of how the brain worked, both of which have some merit.
The capitalist, individualistic West favoured compartmentalisation (so, a given cortex handles speech, another dexterity, and so on). The Communist USSR preferred a more diffuse approach, whereby each neuron was equal and if the brain were damaged those that remained could adapt to it.
Both have a lot of truth to them (the brain's highly plastic, and, at the same time, certain areas seem to 'specialise'), but the science was driven by politics.
No politician wants to spend money if it's not necessary, so in whose interest is it to 'make up' AGW? I can see that there would be organisations who would want to do the opposite, oil companies for example.
Indeed the 'A' portion of AGW has not been tested at all. It is based entirely upon modelling which has failed to match the observed data.
The whole debate is an utter failure of basic scientific principles which is then used as the basis for policy decisions and political posturing by those who fail to understand those basic principles.
Aren't most scientists that make major breakthroughs in a minority?0 -
Is it really Wisdom to suggest that every 4 current LibDem voters are going to find 3 more to join them by election day?JackW said:
The ICM Wisdom Index indicates around 14%.Plato said:Aren't the LDs typically expected to revive to about 15%? Well they used to IIRC.
Will this time be so different? I just don't have any feel for this and glad I'm not a pollster. This has 1992 written all over it.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
That's doesn't require a political party, it requires press gangs....
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I think I'd be better off taking the 11/2 on Labour having 226 to 250 seatsisam said:
Go on then, even money under 258TheScreamingEagles said:
Kinda agree, I've been desperate to find a bookie to offer odds on Labour having fewer seats in 2015 than they did in 2010.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy
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Don't get into a nowcast mindset or single poll syndrome that sometimes infests PB.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh Jack, I'm someone who has been backing the Lib Dems to do better than people expect for most of this parliament.JackW said:
You're picking and choosing your polls rather selectively.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but when you're polling single digits London wide/nationwide, and that you can't poll a negative share of the vote in some places, you have say they will do badly in the seats they hold as well.JackW said:
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
I'm grateful to Lord Ashcroft, but we're putting an awful lot of faith in an untested pollster, in area of polling which is notoriously difficult to poll.
Normally I'm bullish on Lib Dem figures, but I've felt something isn't quite right with the Lib Dems in recent months.
Note the fiasco of their private polling which didn't quite live up to the hype.
There is no inconsistency between LibDems polling around 8-10% and polling well in their held seats. For the yellow peril it's about fighting 60 by-elections and to hell with the rest.
Another factor this time is unlike every prior general elections the LibDems have a very large war chest.
I expected the Lib Dems to improve their nationwide polling by now, so have hedged accordingly.
I concur with the output of your ARSE for the Lib Dems.
Stick to my ARSE like glue.
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Ah. Thanx. I still don't get the London Only Factor. Is it because its economically successful = Labour soft-social democratic vote again?SouthamObserver said:
There will be a big drop in the LD vote, most of which will go to Labour. That will help it take LD and Tory seats. There may also be some slight Tory drift to UKIP.Plato said:I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?
SouthamObserver said:
Labour is going to struggle big time in the Midlands. I had built that into my thinking about it being the largest party in a new hung Parliament, but since the collapse in Scotland I cannot see how Labour is going to win close to most seats. It'll pick up some in London and the North - and probably in almost every English and Welsh seat where it is currently second to an LD, but beyond that it is going to be a struggle. So, yes, I can see Labour staying pretty much where it is, maybe even down a tad if Scotland is real carnage. The one bright spot will be the end of EdM.chestnut said:
I broadly agree.SouthamObserver said:I would not be at all surprised if yesterday's 36-32 for the Tories is very close to the final result.
I am edging towards the view that there will be little change in overall seat numbers for the leading two, with the real change on the under card.
I foresee Labour stronger in the North - espcially NW - and London, but weaker in Scotland.
The Tories weaker in the North and London, but stronger in the SW and West,
It does make me wonder just what position the Lib Dems would be in now if they hadn't entered coalition. First?
In short, what Labour was counting on for the whole country looks like happening in London only.0 -
I am £30 @ 12.34 on the 226 - 250 band for Labour ^_^;;
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Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.0
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Nick Clegg's a bit naughty there0
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The collapse of the Lib Dem vote is unifying the wealthy/better off left in the Hampsteads and Islingtons of London, combined with London's fairly unique demographics.Plato said:I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?
Suburban London (Enfield, Ilford, Croydon) is increasingly filling up with population overspill/migration from places like Peckham, Tottenham, East Ham etc
Pockets of Toryism are now cropping up in the middle where they were previously unheard of - see the Isle of Dogs/Canary Wharf.0 -
I remember - those seat band markets always skew high.antifrank said:
I'm on that band at 12/1, which I got in early February. I'm on the same band for the Conservatives at 16/1.Tissue_Price said:
On point 3, I do think that Labour 226-250 is an absolutely cracking bet at 11/2. The two main parties are near-as-dammit in for 550 seats now, post-SNP surge, so 301-325 for the Tories corresponds pretty neatly to 226-250 for Labour. Yet one is top price 13/5 and the other 11/2.TheScreamingEagles said:
Hard to disagree with your conclusionsantifrank said:Morning all, I've had another look at how the seat markets stack up in aggregate:
http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-range-of-possibilities-how.html
1) Don't bet against a hung Parliament unless you get long odds.
2) Labour most seats is a terrific value bet at 2/1.
3) Since the Conservatives look unlikely to get above 300 seats (I'd guess at least 3/1), the next Government is very likely to be a Labour-led government. Lay David Cameron as Prime Minister after the next election at anything close to, or even not very close to, current prices. He's odds on at present to keep his job. This is a crazy price. Enjoy0 -
The Wisdom Index like ICM has a good General Election record. Nothing compared to my ARSE but then again what does.MarqueeMark said:
Is it really Wisdom to suggest that every 4 current LibDem voters are going to find 3 more to join them by election day?JackW said:
The ICM Wisdom Index indicates around 14%.Plato said:Aren't the LDs typically expected to revive to about 15%? Well they used to IIRC.
Will this time be so different? I just don't have any feel for this and glad I'm not a pollster. This has 1992 written all over it.rcs1000 said:
I think the market believes the lib dems will end up with 10-11%, rather than sub 10%.Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
That's doesn't require a political party, it requires press gangs....
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Thanx. I knew Peckham and Croydon very well in the 80/early 90s - plus the first Yuppies who moved into Canary Wharf/Dogs in the late 90s/00s. Things have changed so much in 25yrs.chestnut said:
The collapse of the Lib Dem vote is unifying the wealthy/better off left in the Hampsteads and Islingtons of London, combined with London's fairly unique demographics.Plato said:I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?
Suburban London (Enfield, Ilford, Croydon) is increasingly filling up with population overspill/migration from places like Peckham, Tottenham, East Ham etc
Pockets of Toryism are now cropping up in the middle where they were previously unheard of - see the Isle of Dogs/Canary Wharf.0 -
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
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If you assume that in English LD/Con marginals, most red LDs will continue to vote LD as a tactical anti-Tory vote, then I can see the LDs retaining 26 out of 34 Con/LD marginals. Con will lose a bit to UKIP and LD will lose a bit to Lab and Green but it will be mainly a repeat of 2010. The LD losses will be mainly in the South West.MarqueeMark said:
The LibDem polling has got significantly worse since the near-extinction event of the 2014 Euros. Easy to see them virtually gone in Scotland, Wales, the Midlands, the South West and London. Where will they supposedly put up a fight?Financier said:Re: Polls
Still cannot get the 'fact' that the LDs will poll sub~10% and yet get 20-30 seats - SI on PB currently says 24-26. It will be a most peculiar result.
If you assume that in English LD/Lab marginal seats, some former red LDs will switch to Lab then I see the LDs retaining only 1 out of the 10 marginals. (Bermondsey)
In Scotland, LDs will retain only 2 out of the 10 seats (Orkney and Ross).
In Wales, LDs will retain 2 out of 3 seats, losing Cardiff.
That makes LDs retaining 31 out of their 57 seats.
In this analysis, it really doesn't matter whether LDs are on 8% or 15% nationally. It is the behaviour of the red LDs, (who have defected to Lab in the national polls), that matters in the different kinds of marginals.0 -
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Surely the worst known pressie QE2 has received was the iPod from Obama filled with her ceremonial tunes?
Just appalling. On so many levels. Didn't Gordon get helicopters from the POTUS gift shop for his kids? I just cringe at the ineptness of it.MarqueeMark said:
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
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You can't move for Yummy Mummies in Peckham these days. Not so many in Croydon.Plato said:Thanx. I knew Peckham and Croydon very well in the 80/early 90s - plus the first Yuppies who moved into Canary Wharf/Dogs in the late 90s/00s. Things have changed so much in 25yrs.
chestnut said:
The collapse of the Lib Dem vote is unifying the wealthy/better off left in the Hampsteads and Islingtons of London, combined with London's fairly unique demographics.Plato said:I feel I'm missing something. Why is Labour doing so well in London now?
Suburban London (Enfield, Ilford, Croydon) is increasingly filling up with population overspill/migration from places like Peckham, Tottenham, East Ham etc
Pockets of Toryism are now cropping up in the middle where they were previously unheard of - see the Isle of Dogs/Canary Wharf.
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The Poliakoff videos and Brady's films of the rest of the Nottingham University Science team are undoubtedly some of the best things on Youtube. They teach more in ten minutes than most science documentaries do in an hour.NickPalmer said:Teachers tend to be anti-government (annoyance about the employers) - I remember in 2010 someone saying "Of course I won't vote Labour - I'm a teacher and you've squeezed our pay." Nowadays it's certainly true that if someone says they're a teacher you're odds-on that the next sentence will be "so I'm not voting Tory". There is often then a short discussion about tactical voting...
Think Mike said not till after Easter.rogerh said:Do we get an ICM/Guardian poll this week.Looking back to 2010 weekly ICM polls kicked off at the end of March/early April?
The Periodic Table of Elements videos are good fun - by one of my non-party local endorsers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Poliakoff. He was knighted for his services to popularising chemistry (he's currently the Royal Academy "Foreign Minister" and spends half his time abroad promoting British science), and is the brother of brilliant playwright Stephen P - remarkable family.Verulamius said:
There is currently a series on BBC4 about the history of chemistry and the discovery of the elements.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
I think there's some evidence that if one party seems to be running away with it, wavering voters rally behind the other one - it's not that they want them to win, but they don't want them to get totally stuffed. I remember the phenomenon in 1983 (Labour) and 1997 (Conservatives), when the losing party in both cases did a bit less badly than expected. Perhaps the LibDems will benefit this time?Patrick said:Here's a question for the knowledgeable psephologists: Does ramping a particular poll result create a bandwagon or a negative reaction? We see the BBC ramping a (Yougov) Labour lead and the Daily Mail ramping a (Comres) Tory lead. Does this help their respective tribes? Or does the Labour lead scare more people into voting Tory (and vice versa)?
As for Populus: more evidence for the "It's a tie and nothing is happening!" theory.
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It was the recent ICMs that got me worried for the Lib Dems.JackW said:
Don't get into a nowcast mindset or single poll syndrome that sometimes infests PB.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh Jack, I'm someone who has been backing the Lib Dems to do better than people expect for most of this parliament.JackW said:
You're picking and choosing your polls rather selectively.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but when you're polling single digits London wide/nationwide, and that you can't poll a negative share of the vote in some places, you have say they will do badly in the seats they hold as well.JackW said:
The Lord A constituency polling says otherwise. Much tighter.TheScreamingEagles said:
I agree, for a while I've been backing the Lib Dems to do badly in London, the headline polling makes grim reading for them.peter_from_putney said:
***** Betting Post *****TheScreamingEagles said:ComRes London poll
Labour is set to make sweeping gains in London with both Conservative and Liberal Democrat MPs losing their seats, according to a new opinion poll.
http://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-03-30/big-labour-gains-forecast-for-london/
If this ComRes poll is right then the likelihood of Labour taking Bermondsey & Southwark from the LibDems' Simon Hughes looks like good value at 7/4 available from Betfred (and others), such that I'm making this my Bet of the Week without further ado.
DYOR
Particularly as Labour are doing better in London than they are in the rest of the country.
I'm grateful to Lord Ashcroft, but we're putting an awful lot of faith in an untested pollster, in area of polling which is notoriously difficult to poll.
Normally I'm bullish on Lib Dem figures, but I've felt something isn't quite right with the Lib Dems in recent months.
Note the fiasco of their private polling which didn't quite live up to the hype.
There is no inconsistency between LibDems polling around 8-10% and polling well in their held seats. For the yellow peril it's about fighting 60 by-elections and to hell with the rest.
Another factor this time is unlike every prior general elections the LibDems have a very large war chest.
I expected the Lib Dems to improve their nationwide polling by now, so have hedged accordingly.
I concur with the output of your ARSE for the Lib Dems.
Stick to my ARSE like glue.
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A song about the periodic table featured in a NCIS episode. McGeek solved the puzzle I think.frpenkridge said:
The Poliakoff videos and Brady's films of the rest of the Nottingham University Science team are undoubtedly some of the best things on Youtube. They teach more in ten minutes than most science documentaries do in an hour.NickPalmer said:Teachers tend to be anti-government (annoyance about the employers) - I remember in 2010 someone saying "Of course I won't vote Labour - I'm a teacher and you've squeezed our pay." Nowadays it's certainly true that if someone says they're a teacher you're odds-on that the next sentence will be "so I'm not voting Tory". There is often then a short discussion about tactical voting...
Think Mike said not till after Easter.rogerh said:Do we get an ICM/Guardian poll this week.Looking back to 2010 weekly ICM polls kicked off at the end of March/early April?
The Periodic Table of Elements videos are good fun - by one of my non-party local endorsers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Poliakoff. He was knighted for his services to popularising chemistry (he's currently the Royal Academy "Foreign Minister" and spends half his time abroad promoting British science), and is the brother of brilliant playwright Stephen P - remarkable family.Verulamius said:
There is currently a series on BBC4 about the history of chemistry and the discovery of the elements.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
I think there's some evidence that if one party seems to be running away with it, wavering voters rally behind the other one - it's not that they want them to win, but they don't want them to get totally stuffed. I remember the phenomenon in 1983 (Labour) and 1997 (Conservatives), when the losing party in both cases did a bit less badly than expected. Perhaps the LibDems will benefit this time?Patrick said:Here's a question for the knowledgeable psephologists: Does ramping a particular poll result create a bandwagon or a negative reaction? We see the BBC ramping a (Yougov) Labour lead and the Daily Mail ramping a (Comres) Tory lead. Does this help their respective tribes? Or does the Labour lead scare more people into voting Tory (and vice versa)?
As for Populus: more evidence for the "It's a tie and nothing is happening!" theory.0 -
Oh c'mon, even a monarch who has everything couldn't fail to be impressed by a gift of the LibDems Big Yellow Budget Box.Plato said:Surely the worst known pressie QE2 has received was the iPod from Obama filled with her ceremonial tunes?
Just appalling. On so many levels. Didn't Gordon get helicopters from the POTUS gift shop for his kids? I just cringe at the ineptness of it.MarqueeMark said:
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
I know I'd like nothing more than that.
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That sounds like a fair bit of "forecasting" from Gus O'Donnell to me.0
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There is a Tom Lehrer song, to the tune of "Modern Major General". It endsFlightpath said:
A song about the periodic table featured in a NCIS episode. McGeek solved the puzzle I think.frpenkridge said:
The Poliakoff videos and Brady's films of the rest of the Nottingham University Science team are undoubtedly some of the best things on Youtube. They teach more in ten minutes than most science documentaries do in an hour.NickPalmer said:Teachers tend to be anti-government (annoyance about the employers) - I remember in 2010 someone saying "Of course I won't vote Labour - I'm a teacher and you've squeezed our pay." Nowadays it's certainly true that if someone says they're a teacher you're odds-on that the next sentence will be "so I'm not voting Tory". There is often then a short discussion about tactical voting...
Think Mike said not till after Easter.rogerh said:Do we get an ICM/Guardian poll this week.Looking back to 2010 weekly ICM polls kicked off at the end of March/early April?
The Periodic Table of Elements videos are good fun - by one of my non-party local endorsers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Poliakoff. He was knighted for his services to popularising chemistry (snip), and is the brother of brilliant playwright Stephen P - remarkable family.Verulamius said:
There is currently a series on BBC4 about the history of chemistry and the discovery of the elements.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
I think there's some evidence that if one party seems to be running away with it, wavering voters rally behind the other one - it's not that they want them to win, but they don't want them to get totally stuffed. I remember the phenomenon in 1983 (Labour) and 1997 (Conservatives), when the losing party in both cases did a bit less badly than expected. Perhaps the LibDems will benefit this time?Patrick said:Here's a question for the knowledgeable psephologists: Does ramping a particular poll result create a bandwagon or a negative reaction? We see the BBC ramping a (Yougov) Labour lead and the Daily Mail ramping a (Comres) Tory lead. Does this help their respective tribes? Or does the Labour lead scare more people into voting Tory (and vice versa)?
As for Populus: more evidence for the "It's a tie and nothing is happening!" theory.
And these are all the elements we know about at Harvard yet
There may be many others but they haven't been discarvard yet.
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Hugo Rifkind nailed that one. He's also a gent who waded into a Twitter punch up I was having with The Times subs dept and got my issue fixed as he remembered my ramblings. That was awesome.MarqueeMark said:
Oh c'mon, even a monarch who has everything couldn't fail to be impressed by a gift of the LibDems Big Yellow Budget Box.Plato said:Surely the worst known pressie QE2 has received was the iPod from Obama filled with her ceremonial tunes?
Just appalling. On so many levels. Didn't Gordon get helicopters from the POTUS gift shop for his kids? I just cringe at the ineptness of it.MarqueeMark said:
Taking her a farewell pressie?JackW said:Clegg off to Buck House shortly to see HM in his role as Lord President of the Privy Council.
I know I'd like nothing more than that.
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Given that the premise of his argument is that England will be "largely Conservative voting" it's a pretty crap argument.Pulpstar said:That sounds like a fair bit of "forecasting" from Gus O'Donnell to me.
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Periodic Table SongFlightpath said:
A song about the periodic table featured in a NCIS episode. McGeek solved the puzzle I think.frpenkridge said:
The Poliakoff videos and Brady's films of the rest of the Nottingham University Science team are undoubtedly some of the best things on Youtube. They teach more in ten minutes than most science documentaries do in an hour.NickPalmer said:Teachers tend to be anti-government (annoyance about the employers) - I remember in 2010 someone saying "Of course I won't vote Labour - I'm a teacher and you've squeezed our pay." Nowadays it's certainly true that if someone says they're a teacher you're odds-on that the next sentence will be "so I'm not voting Tory". There is often then a short discussion about tactical voting...
Think Mike said not till after Easter.rogerh said:Do we get an ICM/Guardian poll this week.Looking back to 2010 weekly ICM polls kicked off at the end of March/early April?
The Periodic Table of Elements videos are good fun - by one of my non-party local endorsers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Poliakoff. He was knighted for his services to popularising chemistry (he's currently the Royal Academy "Foreign Minister" and spends half his time abroad promoting British science), and is the brother of brilliant playwright Stephen P - remarkable family.Verulamius said:
There is currently a series on BBC4 about the history of chemistry and the discovery of the elements.Plato said:LOL - big on public flogging? The history of chemistry is fascinating. I really must mug up on it again.
Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, Phlogiston sounds almost like a name for the Islamic State.
I think there's some evidence that if one party seems to be running away with it, wavering voters rally behind the other one - it's not that they want them to win, but they don't want them to get totally stuffed. I remember the phenomenon in 1983 (Labour) and 1997 (Conservatives), when the losing party in both cases did a bit less badly than expected. Perhaps the LibDems will benefit this time?Patrick said:Here's a question for the knowledgeable psephologists: Does ramping a particular poll result create a bandwagon or a negative reaction? We see the BBC ramping a (Yougov) Labour lead and the Daily Mail ramping a (Comres) Tory lead. Does this help their respective tribes? Or does the Labour lead scare more people into voting Tory (and vice versa)?
As for Populus: more evidence for the "It's a tie and nothing is happening!" theory.0 -
The internals of the Populus look poor for Labour to me, in fact if they do well in the Southwest as seems to be indicated by a fair few subsamples that could help Dave out quite alot.0
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Sunday fieldwork isn't too unusual.
Most Populus and Ashcroft polls this year have had Sunday fieldwork end-dates, and they publish the following day. Just that ComRes last night jumped the gun by about 12 hours!
So for that reason, and I know it will disappoint the more, shall we say, radicalised PB Tories, I'm going to include ComRes in this coming week's ELBOW.0