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The Tories should go for Anna Soubry as next leader. Then the SNP can endlessly loop her piss stained terror on the couch next to Alex Salmond.

Tykejohnno said:

Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

Raising VAT hits pensioners and poorest the hardest. That’s not the sort of government I will lead → pic.twitter.com/5kytVsJ9fJ

Rather presumptions saying that he *will* lead the government.

Surely he should have used the conditional "would"?

Charles said:

bigjohnowls said:

Ed Miliband ‏@Ed_Miliband 1m1 minute ago
Raising VAT hits pensioners and poorest the hardest. That’s not the sort of government I will lead →

New Labour Election Pledge launched

Meanwhile the Tories have no plans to raise VAT.

So presumably are planning to raise it as in 2010

Can you provide a single scrap of evidence that the Tories are considering a VAT rise after the election?

They have just produced a budget setting out expected spending plans and tax income together with OBR forecasts. Perhaps you can provide us with a link to that?

Bet you said same in 2010.

If they aren't planning to raise it they can match Labours pledge.

If they don't voters will assume they will match the 2010 lie about no plans to raise IMO

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

Tuesday's Sun front page:
We've gotcha backs - Exclusive: Argie invasion fears
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/BoVYJjlP6Y

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Janice Atkinson expelled from UKIP

Good. Along with Afzal Amin that is two rotten politicians gone in the same day.

Now we just need to try and dump several thousand more and the world will be a better place.

I said she should go after the ting tong comment... You can't have people saying things and pulling stunts like that if you want to be taken seriously as a party. I liked her finger to the green activists though

JosiasJessop said:

NickPalmer said:

Happy birthday, Josias and PB. FPT Josias: What do you make of C.J. Sansom's books? I like their spirit (humane, mildly pro-reform lawyer trying to survive the vicious current of reform and counter-reform) though I feel they've somewhat lost momentum in the latest one. I have no idea how accurate they are.

Thankyou. Having a birthday with a baby feels rather different - like I've aged ten years in the last year rather than one. I'm supposed to be mature now, a father-figure. Yeah, I know ...

As for the question: I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you the accuracy of his books: ydoethur or JL sound as if they might be better targets for the question, if they've read him. I've only read a couple relatively recently, and they're okay-ish, but I doubt I'll read more. Not enough time. :-)

Happy Birthday JJ.

Tonights YG - EICIPM

Purseybear said:

Tories can be incredibly stupid but they're not usually suicidal. Mike's right - they won't choose another Old Etonian Bullingdon member.

It will not be Boris.

They'll do what they know best and go back to grass roots conservatism - a state educated leader who knows what ordinary people do. Thats their winning formula and they;ll return to it.

It will not be Boris.

I know you don't like bet challenges but I challenge you to bet that it will be Boris

Tykejohnno said:

Sun Politics ✔ @SunPolitics

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%.

EDL-gate bounce :-)

TheScreamingEagles said:

YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%, GRN 6%.

Tick tock - but note another lowish score for UKIP.

The way the party elects its leaders is to get two candidates eventually nominated by the party.
This means that the make up of the tory party after May 7 is of first importance. Then after that the make up of party members. In five years time sadly some party members will be dead and many will not have joined yet. Perhaps I might join. Who knows.
Who knows who will be MPs after 2015. For Cameron to be PM in the first place there must be inevitably quite a few new ones.
And so speculation is a bit pointless.
Changing a party leader is always fraught with danger. Cameron has perhaps done the Conservatives a service by giving them a long time to think about it.

@enominal: Cameron on BBC flaunting his ability to be in a kitchen less disastrously than two-kitchens Miliband. But would he consider a third kitchen?

When was the last time the Conservatives picked a leader (especially a successful one) who was a contender more than a few years out? I'm not sure Cameron was a front runner in 2003; Howard was a steady-the-ship appointment; IDS - enough said; Hague; Major; Thatcher: surely they were all rather left-field appointments, seen from a few years earlier?

I'd love to see Rory Stewart throw his hat into the ring - then again, he's a lightweight who walked only 6,000 miles in one trip. Pah. ;-)

Tykejohnno said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tykejohnno said:

Guardian Politics ✔ @GdnPolitics

Labour to rule out VAT rise in election manifesto http://d.gu.com/950w2L

OK ruling out one tax - how about ruling out no increases in income tax, corporation tax, capital gains tax, national insurance, inheritance tax - plenty to go at there

Yep,tories should hit labour hard on this tomorrow but I have my doubts about the modern day con party if they up for the fight.

Wot - after they duffed up both Miliband and Clegg over the debates?

MikeSmithson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Happy 11th Birthday to PB.

Thanks TSE. I'd forgotten. All a long time ago. Whether we'll get to 22 I don't know. I'll be 80

The great fun of the site has been going against whatever has been the general narrative of the time.

Heady days Mike and co. I think I first ventured on the site about 10 years ago, to make a comment about Canterbury's Tory MP Julian Brazier, who killed a young Italian motorcyclist whilst driving on the wrong side of the road in Italy- why Brazier was driving on the wrong side, we can only speculate.
I am still appalled that Brazier failed to attend the hearing in Italy, utterly appalled. Perhaps he was busy. Brazier is still PM for Canterbury mind.

BTW, I missed the dispatches program. Is it worth catching up on?

I presume given nothing on the front pages, it really was some bloke shaking hands with top politicians and them giving him the "delighted to meet you...looks at briefing note...Brian"....we would love for you to donate...

UKIP trend looking pretty clear cut - and that is before the campaign even starts.

Of course it might be argued that the campaign will help UKIP given its major party status. But will it? What will that amount to?

Cameron had the first 10 minutes solid on both the BBC1 6pm and 10pm News tonight. I can't imagine Farage getting similar coverage. I fully expect Cameron / Miliband to lead 90% of news programmes during the campaign. Plus of course Farage isn't on the final BBC QT leaders programme.

I think it's one way traffic - I expect both Con and Lab to rise - and UKIP to fall.

MP_SE said:

Tykejohnno said:

Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

Tuesday's Sun front page:
We've gotcha backs - Exclusive: Argie invasion fears
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/BoVYJjlP6Y

A nuclear sub off the coast of the Falklands would deter any threats of invasion.

It seems we are sending more troops.

Purseybear said:

The Sun banging the anti Argie drum. It's desperate stuff for the tory press. The budget failed so now its a hark back to 1982?

Absolutely most desperate stuff ever by The Sun

JosiasJessop said:

When was the last time the Conservatives picked a leader (especially a successful one) who was a contender more than a few years out? I'm not sure Cameron was a front runner in 2003; Howard was a steady-the-ship appointment; IDS - enough said; Hague; Major; Thatcher: surely they were all rather left-field appointments, seen from a few years earlier?

I'd love to see Rory Stewart throw his hat into the ring - then again, he's a lightweight who walked only 6,000 miles in one trip. Pah. ;-)

Happy birthday by the way ;-)

MikeL said:

UKIP trend looking pretty clear cut - and that is before the campaign even starts.

Of course it might be argued that the campaign will help UKIP given its major party status. But will it? What will that amount to?

Cameron had the first 10 minutes solid on both the BBC1 6pm and 10pm News tonight. I can't imagine Farage getting similar coverage. I fully expect Cameron / Miliband to lead 90% of news programmes during the campaign. Plus of course Farage isn't on the final BBC QT leaders programme.

I think it's one way traffic - I expect both Con and Lab to rise - and UKIP to fall.

Not the main news, but I believe (I don't live there) he was given an extended spot on the North West BBC main news program? From what I heard, he was given a fair rub of the green about HSR, those morons attacking him in the pub, etc.

JosiasJessop said:

When was the last time the Conservatives picked a leader (especially a successful one) who was a contender more than a few years out?

happy birthday!

RobD said:

@Tim_B haven't been looking to be honest. I always ask for one when I go to a pub, but I used to live in the South West, so I have a very high bar!

Is that an excuse for falling off the bar stool a lot?

bigjohnowls said:

Newsnight see Camerons comment as massive OG

Well there's a shock...the Guardian brain trust say Cameron has messed up...isn't that the general headline every night these days on Newsnight? Ex-Guardian bods talking to current Guardian bods for 45 mins..The last time I watched it really was that, every single segment.

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

100% cheap gutter sniping, I have met hundreds of Ukip members at various drinks and canvassing, many of them non white, and have never heard any racism at all

I will leave you to it with your blinkers and prejudice for company

Peter_the_Punter said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BTW, I missed the dispatches program. Is it worth catching up on?

I presume given nothing on the front pages, it really was some bloke shaking hands with top politicians and them giving him the "delighted to meet you...looks at briefing note...Brian"....we would love for you to donate...

It had its funny moments, and one or two politicians will be feeling a bit embarrassed, but basically you've got it right.

Thanks...I might stick it on my big screen above my desk while I work. Doesn't sound like dedicated watching required.

SeanT said:

bigjohnowls said:

Newsnight see Camerons comment as massive OG

They're exaggerating massively. Who really cares?

It is arguably a blunder, but it is very modest, and will soon be forgotten as serious issues arise.

Alistair Campbell suddenly looks very haggard and old and ruined. It's like the Picture of Dorian Gray.

Compared to Gove who cannot stop digging deeper.

bigjohnowls said:

Newsnight see Camerons comment as massive OG

The public are seeking honesty from politicians and David Cameron saying he will stand down in 2020 if elected is just that, but the Westminster bubble gets all excited about political conspiracies

Can any PB Tory explain how full 2nd term works? As Gove doesn't seem to know

MP_SE said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

My 'money' as I said is on Priti Patel, because it will be like a Thatcher situation, as narrated by Alan Clarke - in the first round, he went around telling everyone they had to vote for her because it would look awful for the party if a woman didn't get any votes, and they'd never get rid of Heath if he won by too much. So Thatcher got loads of votes and everyone suddenly started talking about how good she would be. Same situation if Priti Patel stands - she can't get no votes, so she might get an unexpectedly high crop in round one, and then fire ahead.

Priti Patel is a fake eurosceptic. Her voting record speaks for itself. She doesn't even come close to Thatcher's level.

Oh, I haven't been following her -that's disappointing.

Perhaps there's someone else hiding away. I did think it might be Mad Nad for a while, until she got so low rent she utterly destroyed her chances.

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

I thought Labour had a healthy number of former BNP members/councillors?

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

What a load of rubbish. There are bigots in every party. Labour and the Tories are rife with them. This false attempt to pretend that UKIP is the home for bigots is just the established parties trying to hide the embarrassment of the racists and homophobes in their own party.

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

Smear of the year.

Pong smeared - If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I think Harry Boota thinks it ain't so,ukip Pakistani born candidate for where I live Bradford west.


http://boota.org/?page_id=20

Isam says ''Javid too Muslim ''

He does not 'practice any religion'. His wife and children are Christians.
You cannot get away from it can you, Muslim mad that's you.

The question is can any of them be a prime minister. Not do they scrub up whiter than white. You are not so colour blind.

Off-topic:

I was watching a recorded documentary on Churchill today (starting the young 'un on history early), and it reminded me of something.

When the Gallipoli campaign went hauntingly badly, Churchill resigned from the government and went to fight in the trenches, apparently at the warm end of battle. The stories say he showed no little personal bravery.

This made me think: the one and only thing that could possibly have redeemed Blair is if, immediately after resigning as PM, he had gone to fight on the front lines in Afghanistan.

Now there's a pleasant (and utterly unrealistic) thought.

Oh, and thanks all for the birthday wishes.

tyson said:

isam said:

Purseybear said:

Tories can be incredibly stupid but they're not usually suicidal. Mike's right - they won't choose another Old Etonian Bullingdon member.

It will not be Boris.

They'll do what they know best and go back to grass roots conservatism - a state educated leader who knows what ordinary people do. Thats their winning formula and they;ll return to it.

It will not be Boris.

I know you don't like bet challenges but I challenge you to bet that it will be Boris

Of course it'll be Boris. He won a predominantly Labour, liberal, urban, multicultural city; not once, but twice (once whilst the Tories were in power). Boris transcends the Bullingdon club and Tory politics. He is also charismatic and appeals to grassroots Tories. Labour is terrified of Boris.

Boris is the only Tory I wish was a Labour man- he is unique.

Exactly, proven track record in labour heartlands

If they don't pick him it is utter madness... People don't buy that bullingdon eton rubbish, we aren't all inverse snobs. He is a winner and is good fun, liked by rich and poor in the most diverse city in the uk.. Should be odds on

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

I was watching a recorded documentary on Churchill today (starting the young 'un on history early), and it reminded me of something.

When the Gallipoli campaign went hauntingly badly, Churchill resigned from the government and went to fight in the trenches, apparently at the warm end of battle. The stories say he showed no little personal bravery.

This made me think: the one and only thing that could possibly have redeemed Blair is if, immediately after resigning as PM, he had gone to fight on the front lines in Afghanistan.

Now there's a pleasant (and utterly unrealistic) thought.

Oh, and thanks all for the birthday wishes.

Happy Birthday JJ.

Blair - utterly contemptible. And I was a labour supporter in 97, though I didn't quite stomach voting for him.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

What a load of rubbish. There are bigots in every party. Labour and the Tories are rife with them. This false attempt to pretend that UKIP is the home for bigots is just the established parties trying to hide the embarrassment of the racists and homophobes in their own party.

Cr@p.
'Oooh look at him he is too muslim!' Why did he have to bother? Because he cannot help himself.

isam said:

tyson said:

isam said:

Purseybear said:

Tories can be incredibly stupid but they're not usually suicidal. Mike's right - they won't choose another Old Etonian Bullingdon member.

It will not be Boris.

They'll do what they know best and go back to grass roots conservatism - a state educated leader who knows what ordinary people do. Thats their winning formula and they;ll return to it.

It will not be Boris.

I know you don't like bet challenges but I challenge you to bet that it will be Boris

Of course it'll be Boris. He won a predominantly Labour, liberal, urban, multicultural city; not once, but twice (once whilst the Tories were in power). Boris transcends the Bullingdon club and Tory politics. He is also charismatic and appeals to grassroots Tories. Labour is terrified of Boris.

Boris is the only Tory I wish was a Labour man- he is unique.

Exactly, proven track record in labour heartlands

If they don't pick him it is utter madness... People don't buy that bullingdon eton rubbish, we aren't all inverse snobs. He is a winner and is good fun, liked by rich and poor in the most diverse city in the uk.. Should be odds on

Being posh in itself isn't a bad thing for the public, it's when you're posh and you give the impression that you look down your nose at people who aren't as rich as you. Cameron and Osborne give that impression (however unfair it might be), Boris and Farage don't.

Ave_it said:

Have Ed and Justine moved in yet?

Measuring up the 2nd curtain kitchen curtains.

JosiasJessop said:

Off-topic:

I was watching a recorded documentary on Churchill today (starting the young 'un on history early), and it reminded me of something.

When the Gallipoli campaign went hauntingly badly, Churchill resigned from the government and went to fight in the trenches, apparently at the warm end of battle. The stories say he showed no little personal bravery.

This made me think: the one and only thing that could possibly have redeemed Blair is if, immediately after resigning as PM, he had gone to fight on the front lines in Afghanistan.

Now there's a pleasant (and utterly unrealistic) thought.

Oh, and thanks all for the birthday wishes.

He also took part in the army's last cavalry charge at Omdurman. He was a war correspondent in the Boer War, said there was nothing so exhilarating as being shot at without result, was taken prisoner by the Boers, and escaped.

Arguably the bravest ever to inhabit No. 10


Happy Birthday by the way!

If you want to know what UKIP are going to be like, you should have listened to the cake debacle in Northern Ireland. I don't believe in gay "marriage" per say as it is and always will be between a man and a woman, but we live in different times..

I think that if I lived amongst the Northern Ireland bigots, I think I'd vote for gay marriage just because these bigots are so appalling.

Vote UKIP.. you have been warned.... they say they won't but you know they will.

Flightpath said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Pong said:

isam said:

Boris will be next leader of the Conservative party

Unless they fancy losing for a while

Osborne too unlikeable
May too unattractive
Hammond too stiff
Javid too Muslim

Anyone wants to lay best price Boris I'll have £250

Javid's just about the right amount of muslim. Remember, the racists have jumped ship to ukip.

Ooh rapier like! Its almost made me want to vote for someone other than Ukip

He won't be the next leader of the Tories. Want to lay Boris?

Not right now. It's more likely than not that I'll be able to lay at shorter odds in a few weeks time.

Looking beyond your cheap gutter sniping about racism, I would probably vote for Javid if he stood for London mayor against Lammy, Abbott or khan. He doesn't play racist politics and I quite like him.

But I don't think the country as a whole would vote for a Muslim in the climate of Rotherham and jihadi john etc, so it'd be a big mistake to make him leader

Hardly cheap gutter sniping, isam. UKIP IS the racist party. They're the party the racists vote for. If you don't like the paki's, you vote ukip. Say it ain't so?

I don't doubt there are some fundamentally decent people in the party, those who not only get uncomfortable when the bigots in their ranks raise their voices - but actually stand up and challenge them.

I don't see many of them though.

What a load of rubbish. There are bigots in every party. Labour and the Tories are rife with them. This false attempt to pretend that UKIP is the home for bigots is just the established parties trying to hide the embarrassment of the racists and homophobes in their own party.

Cr@p.
'Oooh look at him he is too muslim!' Why did he have to bother? Because he cannot help himself.

It's you that can't help yourself ting tong

You've misread my thoughts and tripped over yourself to react

Tut tut

Isam , you cant help yourself, you restrict what you really want to say, but its there for those who understand. your party is really dangerous, and people need to know how dangerous it is.

JEO said:

notme said:

MP_SE said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

My 'money' as I said is on Priti Patel, because it will be like a Thatcher situation, as narrated by Alan Clarke - in the first round, he went around telling everyone they had to vote for her because it would look awful for the party if a woman didn't get any votes, and they'd never get rid of Heath if he won by too much. So Thatcher got loads of votes and everyone suddenly started talking about how good she would be. Same situation if Priti Patel stands - she can't get no votes, so she might get an unexpectedly high crop in round one, and then fire ahead.

Priti Patel is a fake eurosceptic. Her voting record speaks for itself. She doesn't even come close to Thatcher's level.

Thatcher was eurosceptic? She was part of the government that joined the EC, she campaigned to remain in the EC at a referendum, in1986 she set the blueprint for the Single European Act, and entered the ERM in 1990.

Thatcher was supportive of a European Community but opposed to a European Union. That was exactly the right position at the time, and is exactly the right position now. David Cameron is entirely right in wanting to renegotiate our relationship so we can return back to a flexible community, as Thatcher wanted.

Thatcher also encouraged the Eastward expansion of the EU, to make integration harder.

SquareRoot said:

Isam , you cant help yourself, you restrict what you really want to say, but its there for those who understand. your party is really dangerous, and people need to know how dangerous it is.

Haha what a load of nonsense! I don't restrict what I say in the slightest

It's dangerous to lemmings like you who would vote for anyone in a blue rosette I suppose