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Miliband is in all 4 of the bloody things. He's played it well tbh.MikeL said:I think the reason Miliband is in the 5 person debate is so that he can attack Cameron and Clegg for not being there.
I fully expect him to open and close with a carefully prepared attack on Cameron for not taking part.
I suspect he regards the benefit of doing that far exceeds any downside from everything else that may happen in the debate.0 -
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.
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Lance Armstrong was a freak responder to drugs.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.0 -
From memory Lance heartrate change was much less distinct than Indurain. LeMonde I don't recall anything on heart rate but his Lung Capacity was even higher than Indurain.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.
The sad thing about Lance is that, and I am pretty positive about this, he would have won a couple of tours if he had been clean. He might have won all his tours if he had been clean (less likely but definitely possible). Goggle the Youtube of Descent Into Gap. Armstrong is a wonderful bike rider.
After reading Riding Through the Dark it's quite easy to understand why the best riders did it. If you look at how the sport developed under the Irishman you have Bjarne Riise as a respected and honoured senior figure while LeMonde and Indurain were ostracised. There's a lot of the senior figures in cycling which even in the Cookson era have positions they don't deserve.
There needs to be a Truth and Reconcilliation Commision as former doper Vaughters suggested. Then you can make a clean break and let the sponsors decide.0 -
The Secret Race by Tyler Hamilton is another good book on this subject.Dair said:
From memory Lance heartrate change was much less distinct than Indurain. LeMonde I don't recall anything on heart rate but his Lung Capacity was even higher than Indurain.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.
The sad thing about Lance is that, and I am pretty positive about this, he would have won a couple of tours if he had been clean. He might have won all his tours if he had been clean (less likely.
After reading Riding Through the Dark it's quite easy to understand why the best riders did it. If you look at how the sport developed under the Irishman you have Bjarne Riise as a respected and honoured senior figure while LeMonde and Indurain were ostracised. There's a lot of the senior figures in cycling which even in the Cookson era have positions they don't deserve.
There needs to be a Truth and Reconcilliation Commision as former doper Vaughters suggested. Then you can make a clean break and let the sponsors decide.0 -
YouGov data... must have YouGov data...TheScreamingEagles said:
They just say Labour has a 2% lead.Flightpath said:
What are the figures then?TheScreamingEagles said:
I provided Mike with the figures, they are from the Sunday Times website.Flightpath said:Has someone at YouGov leaked their poll to Mr Smithson? This is what is being suggested at UKPR. Is it ethical to repeat it or indeed accept such leaks?
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Dair Of course income tax increases inequality if it is cut for the rich, cutting income tax for someone on a £10 million a year salary will increase inequality more than cutting inheritance tax for someone who inherits the £500,000 family home or a pensioner hit by a wealth tax
Tyson Of course if ensuring taxes are not too high increases economic growth that will reduce unemployment and those needing welfare and food banks0 -
Inequality has virtually nothing to do with Income.HYUFD said:Dair Of course income tax increases inequality if it is cut for the rich, cutting income tax for someone on a £10 million a year salary will increase inequality more than cutting inheritance tax for someone who inherits the £500,000 family home or a pensioner hit by a wealth tax
Tyson Of course if ensuring taxes are not too high increases economic growth that will reduce unemployment and those needing welfare and food banks0 -
If we're posting cyling vids, this really is the best demonstration of why Lance was the greatest regardless of the drugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP_AOrBglNM
Out of interest the guy who won the stage riding for Telekom (later T-Mobile) was Alexander Vinokourov the most unapologetic drug cheat in the history of cycling. And regrettably the 2012 Olympic Road Race Champion.
And now a Director Sportif for Astana.0 -
Heart rate range indicates the square root of f*ck all about fitness actually.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.0 -
Why is the Mail attacking the Tories?0
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Not true!Pulpstar said:
Heart rate range indicates the square root of f*ck all about fitness actually.FrancisUrquhart said:
Lance Armstrong is a freak of nature to...his heart rate range at his peak was super human and not something the drugs could provide. Just saying like.Dair said:
Bolt is an Indurain. His physicality is beyond anything drugs can give you (no cyclist can dope a 50% higher lung capacity just as no Sprinter can have West African origin for Twitch fibre, be 6'6 and that coordinated for sprinting.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't trust athletes either. I watched the German documentary (I don't know if there is an English translation) about the Russian setup and was was been done i.e 90%+ of athletes are being doped...and the fall out from it by the authorities, basically nothing.nigel4england said:
Have to be honest I just don't trust athletes, at least one double Olympic gold Brit improved out of sight to win those races. I got to the stage where if they ran the 100 meters final in my garden I would close the curtains, I just hope that Usain Bolt is clean, he has done so much for athletics.FrancisUrquhart said:As aside, Times has a story about Mo Farah's coach ordering some "super-supplement".
No suggestion this supplement is illegal, but I really hope Mo is clean and also that he is being super careful not to slip up.
I think everybody hopes that the Bolt is indeed some super human freak and clean, unlike basically the rest of the Jamaican sprint team who have been done for drugs even though it is well known that the drugs testing by the authorities in Jamaica is a joke.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sziZ6PejrfMDair said:If we're posting cyling vids, this really is the best demonstration of why Lance was the greatest regardless of the drugs
Out of interest the guy who won the stage riding for Telekom (later T-Mobile) was Alexander Vinokourov the most unapologetic drug cheat in the history of cycling. And regrettably the 2012 Olympic Road Race Champion.
And now a Director Sportif for Astana.0 -
They get money for the ads next to the story.SMukesh said:Why is the Mail attacking the Tories?
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Dair Of course it does, especially as wealth alone will begin to diminish eventually and you need income to generate new wealth in the future0
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This discussion as usual overlooks the elephant in the room, the fact of the common market, and the fact of globalisation.philiph said:
Inequality is not a bad thing, some inequality is essential for motivation, development and innovation to thrive. It feeds a human instinct.tyson said:@foxinsuk- ultimately, the argument is whether one views inequality as a good or bad thing. Lowering taxes increases inequality. I'd rather us being poorer and more equal than richer and seeing food banks. What major low tax country (not tax haven) tackles inequality?
You're a Doctor right? Since when did Doctors get into the discourse of making limited companies, trust funds, exceeding pension fund liabilities? I want my GP to think about caring for me, not to think about making maxing his partnered salary until aged 45, then to work part time thereafter and retire after 50 because their pension fund is full. This is modern Britain.
This is as much the fault of Labour as it is the Tories, infact probably more the fault of Labour who didn't appreciate how devious and money obsessed the BMA could be.
However, the extremes at both ends are unwelcome. Poverty and suffering shouldn't be a part of our society and there are examples at the top end of gross overpayment or reward for what appears to be failure or for pretty 'normal' jobs.
Look what happened when Hollande tried to divest his richer citizens of more money, no doubt to support a range of good causes, a lot of rich Frenchmen started buying houses in London, and a lot of very rich Frenchman started moving to the usual millionaires playgrounds and tax havens. Soaking the rich might be politically attractive, but it plain doesn't work any more, if you put the rates up, they leave.
The gold goose has learned to fly, trying to run your entire political ideology of taking money from the very rich won't wash any more. When you combine this with the rampant Europeanism and internationalism also espoused by the left, and the concomitant fall in the feelings of national solidarity, its hardly a big surprised that rich people are not prepared to be milked any more.
The world has moved on, the left need to find a new narrative, that doesn't involve spraying around large amounts of other peoples money, its not there, and it wont be back. If you want the rich to contribute, they have to feel that they are benefiting from the arrangement, and they have to feel part of the plan, not just a resource to be exploited.0 -
Could well help the Conservative cause in Dudley North - they need this seat to go UKIP rather than Labour.edmundintokyo said:
They get money for the ads next to the story.SMukesh said:Why is the Mail attacking the Tories?
Overall though of course it isn't good for the Tories.0 -
In Dudley North it is "Vote Dave, get Ed"0
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SNP membership has gone over 100,000.0
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Indigo Well I suppose they would argue that reinforces the need for the 'socialist international' and worldwide socialist victories so the rich have fewer havens to flee too, starting with a Red Ed victory and a Mansion tax and 50% top tax rate in London!0
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I have fond memories of the Hog's Back Brewery near Aldershot, an excellent stop over on the way back from the old stock car track and their aptly named "A over T" (9% abv) where I can swear I could feel my tongue going numb as I drank it. I see it is available from their on-line shop now, maybe I will have to get reacquainted when I am back in the UK later in the yearDair said:Aspall Premier Cru is magnificent but damn, 7% is a bit strong for an "all night" drink. The Draught isn't as dry but is still much better than most ciders on the market. Interestingly one of the best Dry Ciders around today is the Co-op Own Brand "Dry Cider" which is only £3 for 2l.
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Would have been even better with Heart of Courage instead of Requiem. But yeah Merckx is a legend. But he's also a doper.Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sziZ6PejrfMDair said:If we're posting cyling vids, this really is the best demonstration of why Lance was the greatest regardless of the drugs
Out of interest the guy who won the stage riding for Telekom (later T-Mobile) was Alexander Vinokourov the most unapologetic drug cheat in the history of cycling. And regrettably the 2012 Olympic Road Race Champion.
And now a Director Sportif for Astana.
There's only one great cyclist from the 60s who didn't dope. The Olympic Champion that never was, the Greatest that ever lived, possibly the most dominant sports-person in history and the most amazing athlete the UK ever produced. Beryl Burton.0 -
Good luck with that in Asia! Rumour has it that China is going to make HK a tax haven for international investors which will really set the cat amongst the pigeons, fat chance of pressurizing them into revealing peoples financial details to the tax authorities.HYUFD said:Indigo Well I suppose they would argue that reinforces the need for the 'socialist international' and worldwide socialist victories so the rich have fewer havens to flee too, starting with a Red Ed victory and a Mansion tax and 50% top tax rate in London!
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Youre posts seem to become more babbling the more you do. INCOME matters. WEALTH does not. Wealth should be taxed. Ideally there should be 0% on Income.HYUFD said:Dair Of course it does, especially as wealth alone will begin to diminish eventually and you need income to generate new wealth in the future
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Indigo HK has always been a haven for the wealthy, but the top tax rate in mainland China is 45%, the same as the UK, and of course China executes any of its billionaires and multi millionaires who get too big for their boots which may put some off! Night!0
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Yeah but the methamphetamine and so forth Mercx, Simpson and the rest took was nowhere near the potency of the EPO and stuff Armstrong/Riis were on. Like pro plus vs 10 MDMA tabs :PDair said:
Would have been even better with Heart of Courage instead of Requiem. But yeah Merckx is a legend. But he's also a doper.Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sziZ6PejrfMDair said:If we're posting cyling vids, this really is the best demonstration of why Lance was the greatest regardless of the drugs
Out of interest the guy who won the stage riding for Telekom (later T-Mobile) was Alexander Vinokourov the most unapologetic drug cheat in the history of cycling. And regrettably the 2012 Olympic Road Race Champion.
And now a Director Sportif for Astana.
There's only one great cyclist from the 60s who didn't dope. The Olympic Champion that never was, the Greatest that ever lived, possibly the most dominant sports-person in history and the most amazing athlete the UK ever produced. Beryl Burton.
If cycling was completely clean, Mercx would have cleaned up still. The clean/doped physiology is just too different with the stuff Armstrong was on.0 -
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Dair So you would let someone on a multimillion pound salary who rents an apartment in central London pay 0% tax, while someone on an average income who inherits a £500,000 property from their deceased parents gets slapped with a huge tax increase, yes, a great strategy to tackle inequality!0
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It's a hard call. give every TdF he entered to Chris Boardman who we are fairly sure was clean in an era everyone else wasnt? Or just stop being overboard about this Seven Years of no winner nonsense. EPO is not actually different to living in an Oxygen tent for 6 nonths as Wiggo did to win the 2012 TdF (physiologicslly obviously EPO is much easier).Pulpstar said:
Yeah but the methamphetamine and so forth Mercx, Simpson and the rest took was nowhere near the potency of the EPO and stuff Armstrong/Riis were on. Like pro plus vs 10 MDMA tabs :PDair said:
Would have been even better with Heart of Courage instead of Requiem. But yeah Merckx is a legend. But he's also a doper.Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sziZ6PejrfMDair said:If we're posting cyling vids, this really is the best demonstration of why Lance was the greatest regardless of the drugs
Out of interest the guy who won the stage riding for Telekom (later T-Mobile) was Alexander Vinokourov the most unapologetic drug cheat in the history of cycling. And regrettably the 2012 Olympic Road Race Champion.
And now a Director Sportif for Astana.
There's only one great cyclist from the 60s who didn't dope. The Olympic Champion that never was, the Greatest that ever lived, possibly the most dominant sports-person in history and the most amazing athlete the UK ever produced. Beryl Burton.
If cycling was completely clean, Mercx would have cleaned up still. The clean/doped physiology is just too different with the stuff Armstrong was on.
Caught at the time, Armstrong should have been stripped. That they refuse to award the titles to the next placed says all we need to know. Plus Descent Into Gap.0 -
Ah the Resort to Contrived Examples argument.HYUFD said:Dair So you would let someone on a multimillion pound salary who rents an apartment in central London pay 0% tax, while someone on an average income who inherits a £500,000 property from their deceased parents gets slapped with a huge tax increase, yes, a great strategy to tackle inequality!
Wonderful. So intelligent of you.0 -
Dair Well it is a perfectly plausible example, but need to get some sleep so will leave it there, night0
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CON 36 33 30
LAB 34 33 35
CON 33 LAB 34 fits.
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A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it0
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Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Pulpstar Agree, though would probably stick with Osborne's plan to raise IHT to £1 million and with that it really is goodnight!0
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IHT would be perfectly workable if it was levied on the estate instead of the recipients. It's not even that hard to do. Someone dies 50% of the wealth is taxed. Much fairer than taxing income.Pulpstar said:
Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Watch all those estates move into trust funds and under corporate ownership so they never legally change hands in the event of a succession, it happens now for IHT, it would happen far more in the event of that sort of tax regime.Dair said:
IHT would be perfectly workable if it was levied on the estate instead of the recipients. It's not even that hard to do. Someone dies 50% of the wealth is taxed. Much fairer than taxing income.Pulpstar said:
Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Not if the tax system isn't stupid.Indigo said:
Watch all those estates move into trust funds and under corporate ownership so they never legally change hands in the event of a succession, it happens now for IHT, it would happen far more in the event of that sort of tax regime.Dair said:
IHT would be perfectly workable if it was levied on the estate instead of the recipients. It's not even that hard to do. Someone dies 50% of the wealth is taxed. Much fairer than taxing income.Pulpstar said:
Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Presumably there is a reason why no country on the planet has adopted this sort of regime if it has all the stated benefits. Politicians are not usually slow off the mark if they see an opportunity to increase the tax take, especially in an electorally popular manner.Dair said:
Not if the tax system isn't stupid.Indigo said:
Watch all those estates move into trust funds and under corporate ownership so they never legally change hands in the event of a succession, it happens now for IHT, it would happen far more in the event of that sort of tax regime.Dair said:
IHT would be perfectly workable if it was levied on the estate instead of the recipients. It's not even that hard to do. Someone dies 50% of the wealth is taxed. Much fairer than taxing income.Pulpstar said:
Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Yeah right, a Labour bounce and and a Conservative dip after that fail safe Osborne budget. Good luck to all you happy punters betting on the back of these polls tonight.numbercruncher said:
YouGov full figs:
https://twitter.com/ncpoliticsuk/status/5794623834852515850 -
We now have a very clear working strategy from the SNP under Sturgeon in Scotland, its called screw the rural areas and let the state control the urban the areasDair said:
IHT would be perfectly workable if it was levied on the estate instead of the recipients. It's not even that hard to do. Someone dies 50% of the wealth is taxed. Much fairer than taxing income.Pulpstar said:
Scrap IHT, it's complete makework for lawyers and tax accountants. Replace with extra council tax bands, those can't be got out of.HYUFD said:A wealth tax would hit home owners hardest, not to mention the stamp duty, council tax, inheritance tax that will already be paid on it
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Poll in MoE move shock. No difference to any party outside the MoE except the odd outlier since Christmas.fitalass said:Yeah right, a Labour bounce and and a Conservative dip after that fail safe Osborne budget. Good luck to all you happy punters betting on the back of these polls tonight.
numbercruncher said:YouGov full figs:
https://twitter.com/ncpoliticsuk/status/579462383485251585
Con 32+/- 3
Lab 33 +/- 3
UKIP 16 +/- 3
LD 9 +/- 30
