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  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only one that's noted - Miliband is in all FOUR TV events ?

    4xEICIPM

    First one to say they don't give a 4x is banned for 24 hrs

    Oh shite its me!!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Booth, precisely because he has so much better ratings. Miliband need only turn up and fail to soil himself and he exceeds expectations.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only one that's noted - Miliband is in all FOUR TV events ?

    4xEICIPM
    Whats EICIPM?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Bear, Ed is crap is Prime Minister [first part based on the consensus view, latter part on the polling].
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    All the cool kids are PB Tories.. just so you know ;)
    :-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only one that's noted - Miliband is in all FOUR TV events ?

    4xEICIPM
    Whats EICIPM?
    Ed Is Crap Is PM. A truly horrifying thought.
  • Sunday Times

    UKIP was plunged into fresh crisis last night after claims it has failed to kick out three senior figures with links to the National Front (NF) and news that Nigel Farage’s right-hand man is facing the prospect of a police investigation for alleged fraud.

    .....Meanwhile, Farage’s chief of staff, Raheem Kassam, has been reported to the police for alleged fraud.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.

    It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.

    I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.

    He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.

    To win a war you need to fight (a) the battles that you can win and (b) the battles that matter.

    If you get the latter wrong you end up like Pyrrhus of Epirus. The former, Hannibal Barca.

    Even if the is a 95% probability that Cameron wins, but there is little upside, then why take the risk?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Decent news for everyone on the Tories in Halifax methinks:

    George Galloway @georgegalloway · 1h 1 hour ago

    I will be in Halifax on Tuesday interviewing candidates and giving a speech in the evening @ukrespectparty for details
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    If correct that would show a swing to the Tories wouldn't it?
  • weejonnie said:

    If correct that would show a swing to the Tories wouldn't it?
    Yup
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GeoffM said:

    I see that Priti Patel is out and about in Broxtowe on Thursday.
    Does Jack's ARSE still have it as TCTC?

    Yes.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Sunday Times

    UKIP was plunged into fresh crisis last night after claims it has failed to kick out three senior figures with links to the National Front (NF) and news that Nigel Farage’s right-hand man is facing the prospect of a police investigation for alleged fraud.

    .....Meanwhile, Farage’s chief of staff, Raheem Kassam, has been reported to the police for alleged fraud.

    Hatchet job articles are only fuelling the UKIP fire tbh.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    weejonnie said:

    If correct that would show a swing to the Tories wouldn't it?
    eg
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2015

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @NCPoliticsUK: Important to remember when comparing polls from different pollsters: there are systematic differences (due2methodology) called house effects

    @NCPoliticsUK: So even though Opinium an Survation show opposite leads, both have moved in the same direction
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Eagles, hopefully a Respect candidate in Halifax.

    Mr Galloway is looking out for pb.com bettor's positions :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027

    DavidL said:

    On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.

    It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.

    I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.

    He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.

    What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?

    It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
    As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.

    Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.

    Ed Miliband as Man City

    And Farage as Chelsea.

    Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
    I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Eagles, hopefully a Respect candidate in Halifax.

    Mr Galloway is looking out for pb.com bettor's positions :)

    I still hate him though.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.

    It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.

    I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.

    He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.

    What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?

    It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
    As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.

    Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.

    Ed Miliband as Man City

    And Farage as Chelsea.

    Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
    I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
    Well I'm at the match tomorrow.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: Osborne's approval ratings (opinium) as Chancellor really pretty impressive, widespread, given Paralympic booing etc http://t.co/fsqm6GHeKO
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179

    PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.

    exactly what i was getting at

    Cameron's biggest asset is that people in the main are generally favourably disposed to him as PM and remaining as such - particularly when the choice is him or EdM.

    A one on one without Farage or the band of Tory-haters is simply an opportunity he cannot pass up when not one single opinion poll shows him having a chance of remaining PM.

    He is the one heading for defeat. He needs to do everything he can to shift that.

    He coasted to a minority in 2005 when a majority was there for the taking. He's coasting to defeat this time.

    F'ckwit.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    weejonnie said:

    If correct that would show a swing to the Tories wouldn't it?
    *Meaningless number of significant figures alert.*
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    Bore off Audrey/Kwok
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: Important to remember when comparing polls from different pollsters: there are systematic differences (due2methodology) called house effects

    @NCPoliticsUK: So even though Opinium an Survation show opposite leads, both have moved in the same direction

    and that direction.. toward glorious sunlit uplands!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    Shh don't tell everyone its a joke!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: Osborne's approval ratings (opinium) as Chancellor really pretty impressive, widespread, given Paralympic booing etc http://t.co/fsqm6GHeKO

    Most popular heir-to-a-baronetcy in the land. Where's tim when you need him?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    6 years out off 11? Hmmm

    You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only one that's noted - Miliband is in all FOUR TV events ?

    4xEICIPM

    First one to say they don't give a 4x is banned for 24 hrs

    Oh shite its me!!
    Well considering Labour aren't pushing Ed in their election literature, it looks as if he has been tricked into appearing in four debates where all the other candidates will attack him on the Labour record on the economy.

    Can only be good for DC.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Pulpstar said:

    Well, they can't both be right, can they?

    Thats actually untrue. they could both be right within margin of error so tories around 33%ish and labour around the same, both giving the result for these two polls so far.

    if you want to go by trend then the tories have most heart from them: up in both. but then they should be after the budget.
    Equally within the margin of error with one poll wrong the Tories could be as high as 38% or as low as 28%.

    So I am not sure they tell us much more than we knew already.
    ELBOW is your friend.
    While there is some validity in meta-analysis it does require a bit more than a weighted average.

    I favour the ARSE over the ELBOW!
    ELBOW denier, you!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    Which won't be very funny if it actually happens.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    oh gotcha!

    don't know what isam's on or got against me but I'm going to ignore the poor fella.

    right. Wheres the other poll or polls? want to go to bed.
  • This is going to cause a meltdown if this happens. From the SUnday Times

    THE Conservatives could have more ethnic minority MPs elected than Labour for the first time in the next parliament, says a new study.
  • PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.

    Oh I think his optimum result would have been no debates with anybody. The closer he gets to that the better.

    He probably feels he's got as close as he can get and has settled happily for that. Ducking a 1 to 1 with Ed is probably just a small but fortunate consequence of the bigger deal.

    Avoiding Farage was the main prize though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.

    It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.

    I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.

    He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.

    What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?

    It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
    As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.

    Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.

    Ed Miliband as Man City

    And Farage as Chelsea.

    Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
    I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
    Well I'm at the match tomorrow.
    I'd like to wish you a good day out but in the circumstances....
  • Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.
  • On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.

    It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.

    I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.

    He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.

    It's not Ed he's bothered about, Bob. It's Farage.

    He can easily out debate Miliband, but Farage has him over immigration, so his strategy from the outset been to minimise the potential damage from this source. He's been fairly successful so far. I'm not sure he will be able to emerge entirely unscathed. It rather depends how the 'debates' play out, but so far so good for him.

    What will be interesting is the impact the Host has on the nature of the debate.

    BBC and Dumblebore have the last 2, ie the Opposition debate and the "big" 3
    Farage is everything Dumblebore and the BBC cant stand-I am sure that they will give him the least amount of time on subjects where he is strong. I am sure the "randomly" selected audience questions will have a strong emphasis on subjects that are not strong for Farage.

    What i have no idea about is what Julie Etchingham is like.

    I think too many people assume the debates will be similar in style -they wont-the host will have a distinct influence on the tone and style of each debate and this will therefore have an impact on the perceived outcome in terms of who performed best/winners and losers etc.

    Betting opportunities may well therefore arise :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,162
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    6 years out off 11? Hmmm

    You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
    You should know that Charles's family have been posting on PB since 1702.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Forgot to mention - no sign of Clegg on the election bumf which arrived today.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    so no budget bounce. or no detectable bounce. its as I thought. think tories missed a golden chance to give something back on wednesday and they've screwed up.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    After all that, everything is as clear as mud. No definite sign of a bounce for the Blues.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    Budget unbounce confirmed and

    ELBOW UNCROSSOVER

    40 days till EICIPM
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    On topic: a good start.

    But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.

    not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.

    Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
    Disastrous?
    Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
    Seems like she got under your skin?

    You don't seem too happy. Just saying?


    I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance ;)

    Just sayin'
    Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
    I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
    oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
    isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.

    edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.

    It's just BJO's little joke.
    6 years out off 11? Hmmm

    You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
    You should know that Charles's family have been posting on PB since 1702.
    Was it a little project they invested in that's been a roaring success in a 'do a lot of work for charity don't like to mention it' kind of way?
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Was Survation's poll taken in Ed's kitchens?

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    Page 71 just next to the Classified Ads.!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    So we may or may not have a bounce for the Tories, as out of 3 polls tonight one has a Tory bounce, one hasn't got a bounce at all, and one has a Labour bounce.

    I'm off, it's Saturday night after all.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
  • @Republican Tory

    Yes, everybody seems to be assuming they know how these 'debates' will pan out. They could in fact be wildly unpredictable, and that, as you indicate, will give us all lovely betting opportunities!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Ave_it said:

    Was Survation's poll taken in Ed's kitchens?

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Opinium in Daily Mail press room?
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    I thought "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" was now preferred by discerning jingoists.

    As for "Bog Trotter", never heard of the phrase. But if it is in general use, I can't see an atrocity making any difference, none of the other atrocities over there ever did.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015

    Ave_it said:

    Was Survation's poll taken in Ed's kitchens?

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Opinium in Daily Mail press room?
    Opinium has changed it's methodology some time ago, the effect was to show smaller UKIP scores and higher Tory ones (you can see it on the graph).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Eagles, Have you seen the SNP subsample ?

    The whole Scottish Sub-sample is a hoot.
    So, errr, what odds on SLab to poll under 12% at the election then?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.

    **giggling like a child***

    (only kidding!)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Guinness and coke... Or cider w Ginger beer

    I like an exotic shandy

    Prepare the deportation orders!!
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!

    Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
  • roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    According to Opinium 57% think that Osborne has either been a bad chancellor or they don't know, similarly 63% think that the economy is either in a bad state or they don't know.Hardly a ringing endorsement. By the way , the same poll has the Tories ahead in Wales and Labour ahead in Scotland.Pink pig time.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.

    As mentioned earlier today there's serious Tory leafleting here in Morley & Outwood. On the basis of the marketing spend here it's clear the Tories think they've a chance of unseating Balls.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.

    LAB doing loads of leafleting in Chesterfield since turn of year.

    2 papers, 2 leaflets a calendar in last 2 months
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,972
    edited March 2015
    Dudley North candidate

    "Exposed: Tory's plot with race thugs to fix election" #skypapers


    twitter.com/SkyNews/status/579398268465115136

  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    According to Opinium 57% think that Osborne has either been a bad chancellor or they don't know, similarly 63% think that the economy is either in a bad state or they don't know.Hardly a ringing endorsement. By the way , the same poll has the Tories ahead in Wales and Labour ahead in Scotland.Pink pig time.

    See, thats the thing. Its all very well telling everyone how great britain's doing & walking tall and all that but how many people really feel it? I don't. Do you? Anyone here? Osborne had a chance to give something back for 5 years austerity with income tax cuts and chose instead to shave some more off a national debt that most care not jot about.

    Will people want 5 more years of austerity? Or will they want to lighten up, live a little, relax and be at ease with ourselves? We can say "ta very much for fixing it but now we want to party".
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited March 2015
    After turning a blind eye to all todays front pages in regards to Miliband's hypocrisy, I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the right wing scumbag Daily Mail" about it.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2015
    Just seen a tweet from the Sunday Herald, SNP membership has now topped 100,000

    Since the Indy Referendum that averages out at 406 new members a day.

    If the SNP ground game is not a tidal wave then I, and antifrank, Pulpstar and the rest are going to be very disappointed.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the Daily Mail" about it.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256

    My God.
    That will swipe the UKIP scandals and the Tory Budget surely out of the news.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    One thing that surprised me in the Opinium Poll was that the Tories are ahead of Labour 33-28 in Wales with UKIP 3rd on 19%,
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Looking back two of my best bets are 3-1 on the Tories in Kingswood and 3-1 Ed Balls next Chancellor. I think I got those two on around the same time. Crackers.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!

    Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
    Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)

    Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.

    Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer :)
    Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    One thing that surprised me in the Opinium Poll was that the Tories are ahead of Labour 33-28 in Wales with UKIP 3rd on 19%,

    I wouldn't place bets off the back of that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Nice MoS headline.

    So, we've had LibDem, Conservative and UKIP scandals this week.

    Time for a Labour one?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    After turning a blind eye to all todays front pages in regards to Miliband's hypocrisy, I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the right wing scumbag Daily Mail" about it.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256

    Surprised to see MOS running that so close to GE 2015.

    Don't think its a big story if I am honest
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
    Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.

    It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.

    Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Dudley North candidate

    "Exposed: Tory's plot with race thugs to fix election" #skypapers


    twitter.com/SkyNews/status/579398268465115136

    That was stupid, he wasn't going to win the seat anyway.
    But UKIP might, the last poll there was LAB 37, UKIP 34, CON 24, LD 3, GRN 2
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    More to the point which seat is this Afnal Amin in ?

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Speedy said:

    I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the Daily Mail" about it.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256

    My God.
    That will swipe the UKIP scandals and the Tory Budget surely out of the news.
    No it won't
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2015
    LOL, the loadsamoney picture is classic.

    The online marketing guru Michael Green/Shapps got caught posing as a Lib Dem activist a few years back:

    http://www.libdemvoice.org/grant-shapps-991.html


  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
    Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.

    It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.

    Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
    Yeah ok. Somehow I think you're not quite what you seem.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited March 2015



    Surprised to see MOS running that so close to GE 2015.

    Don't think its a big story if I am honest

    You don't think its a big story that the guy allegedly plotting with the EDL? Lets see what he actually said, but the front page is pretty clear what MoS is alleging.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Pulpstar said:

    More to the point which seat is this Afnal Amin in ?

    Dudley North
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
    Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.

    It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.

    Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
    Think you will find that an increase in the personal allowance is an income tax cut.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    Don't think its a big story if I am honest

    Whatever else it will be a rather large stick that UKIP can club the Tories with when the allegations about UKIP candidates are made.

    Very surprised to see MoS running it at a time like this, although I get the impression that they are a little more sympathetic to UKIP than the Daily version.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015

    Speedy said:

    I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the Daily Mail" about it.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256

    My God.
    That will swipe the UKIP scandals and the Tory Budget surely out of the news.
    No it won't
    I think it will, because it's so unusual and because there is a general election campaign.
    When was the last time a Tory Asian candidate tried to fix an election with the EDL 50 days to polling day?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
    Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.

    It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.

    Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
    Yeah ok. Somehow I think you're not quite what you seem.
    I'm most on tories markets wise but me personally? Centrist. Liked the coalition, liked what they did. Now i think they should've given back a bit to people. it really disappointed me the budget.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!

    Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
    Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)

    Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.

    Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer :)
    Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
    Thornbridge Jaipur. Or Oakham ales Scarlet Macaw.

    Well worth seeking out on draft but the bottled versions are to be found in Waitrose.

    Best to wear sandals while drowning your LD sorrows.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!

    Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
    Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)

    Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.

    Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer :)
    Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
    Not a huge fan of the Golden beers but I do like the regular Black Sheep.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2015
    Well, the outcome of this election remains utterly up in the air.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    JackW said:

    GeoffM said:

    I see that Priti Patel is out and about in Broxtowe on Thursday.
    Does Jack's ARSE still have it as TCTC?

    Yes.

    isam said:

    isam said:

    One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson

    Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?

    Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
    Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!

    Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa

    He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on

    Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
    Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.

    What scandalises me is the real ale issue!

    Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.

    Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
    Oi, the colonies have standards too!
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.

    So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
    I may be putting my X on Labour.

    I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
    Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
    Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.

    It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.

    Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
    Think you will find that an increase in the personal allowance is an income tax cut.
    kind of. Would like to have seen the basic rate cut. Margaret Thatcher would've done it.

    anyhow judging by the polls i evidently aren't alone thinking the budget was a bit crap.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Not sure why PB Tories think the additional changes to personal allowances is a game changer.

    In 2016/7 and 2017/18 its a 1.9% and 1.8% respectively uprating.

    Worth 77p a week in both cases £80 over the 2 years
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Just flicked on the News...and it is noticeable that Ed is there giving the big I Am about the debates, in full on GE campaign mode...where is Dave with only a few weeks to go....

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/21/18/26DCAFC900000578-0-image-m-5_1426962454344.jpg

    I actually think it is good that Cameron does have days where he isn't on full PM mode, just like I thought it was very sensible that Blair took fairly regular breaks...otherwise you end up like Brown...but with a few weeks to go to a GE, you thought you might just be foot to the floor trying to grab every vote you can.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    Not sure why PB Tories think the additional changes to personal allowances is a game changer.

    In 2016/7 and 2017/18 its a 1.9% and 1.8% respectively uprating.

    Worth 77p a week in both cases £80 over the 2 years

    Spot on. it wasn't a game changer. Like you say almost nothing.

    don't think thatcher would've made the same mistakes but then she came from humble stock.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2015
    So, as it stands

    Tory leads: Comres (phone), ICM (phone), Ashcroft (phone), TNS (online), Opinium (online)
    Lab leads: Populus (online) yougov (online), Survation (online), Comres (online),Ipsos-Mori (phone)

    Toss a coin.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Not sure why PB Tories think the additional changes to personal allowances is a game changer.

    In 2016/7 and 2017/18 its a 1.9% and 1.8% respectively uprating.

    Worth 77p a week in both cases £80 over the 2 years

    Much better than the fiscal drag that Brown imposed through stealth.
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