PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
All the cool kids are PB Tories.. just so you know
UKIP was plunged into fresh crisis last night after claims it has failed to kick out three senior figures with links to the National Front (NF) and news that Nigel Farage’s right-hand man is facing the prospect of a police investigation for alleged fraud.
.....Meanwhile, Farage’s chief of staff, Raheem Kassam, has been reported to the police for alleged fraud.
On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.
It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.
I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.
He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.
To win a war you need to fight (a) the battles that you can win and (b) the battles that matter.
If you get the latter wrong you end up like Pyrrhus of Epirus. The former, Hannibal Barca.
Even if the is a 95% probability that Cameron wins, but there is little upside, then why take the risk?
UKIP was plunged into fresh crisis last night after claims it has failed to kick out three senior figures with links to the National Front (NF) and news that Nigel Farage’s right-hand man is facing the prospect of a police investigation for alleged fraud.
.....Meanwhile, Farage’s chief of staff, Raheem Kassam, has been reported to the police for alleged fraud.
Hatchet job articles are only fuelling the UKIP fire tbh.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
@NCPoliticsUK: Important to remember when comparing polls from different pollsters: there are systematic differences (due2methodology) called house effects
@NCPoliticsUK: So even though Opinium an Survation show opposite leads, both have moved in the same direction
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.
It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.
I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.
He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.
What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?
It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.
Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.
Ed Miliband as Man City
And Farage as Chelsea.
Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.
It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.
I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.
He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.
What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?
It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.
Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.
Ed Miliband as Man City
And Farage as Chelsea.
Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.
exactly what i was getting at
Cameron's biggest asset is that people in the main are generally favourably disposed to him as PM and remaining as such - particularly when the choice is him or EdM.
A one on one without Farage or the band of Tory-haters is simply an opportunity he cannot pass up when not one single opinion poll shows him having a chance of remaining PM.
He is the one heading for defeat. He needs to do everything he can to shift that.
He coasted to a minority in 2005 when a majority was there for the taking. He's coasting to defeat this time.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
@NCPoliticsUK: Important to remember when comparing polls from different pollsters: there are systematic differences (due2methodology) called house effects
@NCPoliticsUK: So even though Opinium an Survation show opposite leads, both have moved in the same direction
and that direction.. toward glorious sunlit uplands!
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.
It's just BJO's little joke.
6 years out off 11? Hmmm
You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
Am I the only one that's noted - Miliband is in all FOUR TV events ?
4xEICIPM
First one to say they don't give a 4x is banned for 24 hrs
Oh shite its me!!
Well considering Labour aren't pushing Ed in their election literature, it looks as if he has been tricked into appearing in four debates where all the other candidates will attack him on the Labour record on the economy.
Thats actually untrue. they could both be right within margin of error so tories around 33%ish and labour around the same, both giving the result for these two polls so far.
if you want to go by trend then the tories have most heart from them: up in both. but then they should be after the budget.
Equally within the margin of error with one poll wrong the Tories could be as high as 38% or as low as 28%.
So I am not sure they tell us much more than we knew already.
ELBOW is your friend.
While there is some validity in meta-analysis it does require a bit more than a weighted average.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.
It's just BJO's little joke.
oh gotcha!
don't know what isam's on or got against me but I'm going to ignore the poor fella.
right. Wheres the other poll or polls? want to go to bed.
PtP - Then why is Cameron adamently against a 1v1 debate with Miliband? I can't see any reason for him to turn that down if it's Farage who bothers him. Indeed it would be a chance to win back some kippers without competition from that side of things.
Oh I think his optimum result would have been no debates with anybody. The closer he gets to that the better.
He probably feels he's got as close as he can get and has settled happily for that. Ducking a 1 to 1 with Ed is probably just a small but fortunate consequence of the bigger deal.
On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.
It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.
I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.
He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.
What I don't get is that Cameron's personal advantage over Miliband is huge. The Tories need to make this election as Presidential as possible. What could be more presidential than a head to head?
It is possible that Ed might have a good day. It is also possible that Man Utd might win the league this season. It is just not very likely is it?
As a Labour strategist put it to me, almost delighted in saying about the debates.
Think of Cameron as Liverpool last season.
Ed Miliband as Man City
And Farage as Chelsea.
Liverpool beat City, but came a cropper against Chelsea, which ultimately handed the title to City.
I have a much higher opinion of Cameron than Liverpool. I fancy our chances tomorrow actually.
Well I'm at the match tomorrow.
I'd like to wish you a good day out but in the circumstances....
On the interminable debates issue, I don't subscribe to the view that this is victory for Dave.
It's a humiliation for him. And I'm embarrassed to be a Conservative and Cameron supporter.
I cannot see why he is running away from a head to head with a someone he should be easily capable of demolishing in a one on one encounter, where he's not outnumbered by lefties.
He looks pathetic, to be frank. And no wonder EdM is going to beat him up about it all the way to May 7th. I don't blame him.
It's not Ed he's bothered about, Bob. It's Farage.
He can easily out debate Miliband, but Farage has him over immigration, so his strategy from the outset been to minimise the potential damage from this source. He's been fairly successful so far. I'm not sure he will be able to emerge entirely unscathed. It rather depends how the 'debates' play out, but so far so good for him.
What will be interesting is the impact the Host has on the nature of the debate.
BBC and Dumblebore have the last 2, ie the Opposition debate and the "big" 3 Farage is everything Dumblebore and the BBC cant stand-I am sure that they will give him the least amount of time on subjects where he is strong. I am sure the "randomly" selected audience questions will have a strong emphasis on subjects that are not strong for Farage.
What i have no idea about is what Julie Etchingham is like.
I think too many people assume the debates will be similar in style -they wont-the host will have a distinct influence on the tone and style of each debate and this will therefore have an impact on the perceived outcome in terms of who performed best/winners and losers etc.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.
It's just BJO's little joke.
6 years out off 11? Hmmm
You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
You should know that Charles's family have been posting on PB since 1702.
Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.
so no budget bounce. or no detectable bounce. its as I thought. think tories missed a golden chance to give something back on wednesday and they've screwed up.
But not only would I want to see a similar position in other polls tonight; I'd want to see more positive news from Ashcroft's marginals polls over the coming weeks before I believe it.
not sure. it'd be better if ashcroft polled same places every week to iron out moe esp given his disastrous polling last year.
Labour out to 30 on betfair. Cons 5.6. have the markets gone crazy?
Disastrous?
Save time and space on here by looking at Audrey Annes old posts
Seems like she got under your skin?
You don't seem too happy. Just saying?
I think you are an absolute tool, but that's of little importance
Just sayin'
Gee thanks. Charming. If you go around flaming people like that you're not likely to win many friends. From what I've seen this is a decent enough site and you seem a bit out of odds with comments like that.
I think isam has a vendetta against people with multiple accounts. He's been on a roll ever since outing a (quite obvious) previous offender.
oh i see,. well no excuse for rudeness especially against relative newcomers and newbies. not unless this place is just a clique?
isam is a relative newcomer. I think he just lacks confidence in himself, or something, because he does have a tendency to get all huffy.
edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.
It's just BJO's little joke.
6 years out off 11? Hmmm
You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
You should know that Charles's family have been posting on PB since 1702.
Was it a little project they invested in that's been a roaring success in a 'do a lot of work for charity don't like to mention it' kind of way?
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.
Sunday Times says their YouGov poll gives Labour a two point lead.
So we may or may not have a bounce for the Tories, as out of 3 polls tonight one has a Tory bounce, one hasn't got a bounce at all, and one has a Labour bounce.
Yes, everybody seems to be assuming they know how these 'debates' will pan out. They could in fact be wildly unpredictable, and that, as you indicate, will give us all lovely betting opportunities!
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
I thought "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" was now preferred by discerning jingoists.
As for "Bog Trotter", never heard of the phrase. But if it is in general use, I can't see an atrocity making any difference, none of the other atrocities over there ever did.
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!
Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
According to Opinium 57% think that Osborne has either been a bad chancellor or they don't know, similarly 63% think that the economy is either in a bad state or they don't know.Hardly a ringing endorsement. By the way , the same poll has the Tories ahead in Wales and Labour ahead in Scotland.Pink pig time.
Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.
As mentioned earlier today there's serious Tory leafleting here in Morley & Outwood. On the basis of the marketing spend here it's clear the Tories think they've a chance of unseating Balls.
Anyone noticing any evidence of 'ground game' - Here in 40:40 "optimistic target for the Tories NE Derbyshire" had a shiny leaflet from the Tories and Labour. But apart from that not noticed anything else.
LAB doing loads of leafleting in Chesterfield since turn of year.
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
According to Opinium 57% think that Osborne has either been a bad chancellor or they don't know, similarly 63% think that the economy is either in a bad state or they don't know.Hardly a ringing endorsement. By the way , the same poll has the Tories ahead in Wales and Labour ahead in Scotland.Pink pig time.
See, thats the thing. Its all very well telling everyone how great britain's doing & walking tall and all that but how many people really feel it? I don't. Do you? Anyone here? Osborne had a chance to give something back for 5 years austerity with income tax cuts and chose instead to shave some more off a national debt that most care not jot about.
Will people want 5 more years of austerity? Or will they want to lighten up, live a little, relax and be at ease with ourselves? We can say "ta very much for fixing it but now we want to party".
After turning a blind eye to all todays front pages in regards to Miliband's hypocrisy, I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the right wing scumbag Daily Mail" about it.
Looking back two of my best bets are 3-1 on the Tories in Kingswood and 3-1 Ed Balls next Chancellor. I think I got those two on around the same time. Crackers.
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!
Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)
Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.
Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
After turning a blind eye to all todays front pages in regards to Miliband's hypocrisy, I some how think this might make the BBC tomorrow...I have a feeling the BBC might be less "oh its only the right wing scumbag Daily Mail" about it.
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
Yeah ok. Somehow I think you're not quite what you seem.
Surprised to see MOS running that so close to GE 2015.
Don't think its a big story if I am honest
You don't think its a big story that the guy allegedly plotting with the EDL? Lets see what he actually said, but the front page is pretty clear what MoS is alleging.
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
Think you will find that an increase in the personal allowance is an income tax cut.
Whatever else it will be a rather large stick that UKIP can club the Tories with when the allegations about UKIP candidates are made.
Very surprised to see MoS running it at a time like this, although I get the impression that they are a little more sympathetic to UKIP than the Daily version.
My God. That will swipe the UKIP scandals and the Tory Budget surely out of the news.
No it won't
I think it will, because it's so unusual and because there is a general election campaign. When was the last time a Tory Asian candidate tried to fix an election with the EDL 50 days to polling day?
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
Yeah ok. Somehow I think you're not quite what you seem.
I'm most on tories markets wise but me personally? Centrist. Liked the coalition, liked what they did. Now i think they should've given back a bit to people. it really disappointed me the budget.
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!
Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)
Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.
Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
Thornbridge Jaipur. Or Oakham ales Scarlet Macaw.
Well worth seeking out on draft but the bottled versions are to be found in Waitrose.
Best to wear sandals while drowning your LD sorrows.
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Spitfire is my current favourite, closely followed by Bombardier, will happily settle for a Directors though!
Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
Whitstable Bay Gold is excellent (also a Sheps beer)
Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.
Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
Not a huge fan of the Golden beers but I do like the regular Black Sheep.
One decent thing to come of the Muslim terrorist murders in Paris is that those on here that used to call French people 'frogs' have learned their lesson
Maybe an atrocity in Ireland will see the end of 'bog trotter'?
Coming after the isam fridge contents scandal, I sense your inner LD breaking out of its chains!
Ha yes I can't have tub thumping nationalism or real ale, so maybe!!
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Tub thumping nationalism has its place in sport and war, but I will pass over that.
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
Serius value on Labour in the markets? I reckon so.
So presumably you'll be putting your money on Labour then?
I may be putting my X on Labour.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
Which bit of increased personal allowances, freeze on fuel duty, reduced taxation on booze and savings and help for FTB's does not get ordinary people?
Freeze on fuel duty when raw prices have tumbled. FTB help? 3k or whatever. Great but still unaffordable. Personal allowances yeah well great but not exactly huge was it? As for beer: 1p off a pint. Big deal.
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
Think you will find that an increase in the personal allowance is an income tax cut.
kind of. Would like to have seen the basic rate cut. Margaret Thatcher would've done it.
anyhow judging by the polls i evidently aren't alone thinking the budget was a bit crap.
Just flicked on the News...and it is noticeable that Ed is there giving the big I Am about the debates, in full on GE campaign mode...where is Dave with only a few weeks to go....
I actually think it is good that Cameron does have days where he isn't on full PM mode, just like I thought it was very sensible that Blair took fairly regular breaks...otherwise you end up like Brown...but with a few weeks to go to a GE, you thought you might just be foot to the floor trying to grab every vote you can.
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First one to say they don't give a 4x is banned for 24 hrs
Oh shite its me!!
UKIP was plunged into fresh crisis last night after claims it has failed to kick out three senior figures with links to the National Front (NF) and news that Nigel Farage’s right-hand man is facing the prospect of a police investigation for alleged fraud.
.....Meanwhile, Farage’s chief of staff, Raheem Kassam, has been reported to the police for alleged fraud.
If you get the latter wrong you end up like Pyrrhus of Epirus. The former, Hannibal Barca.
Even if the is a 95% probability that Cameron wins, but there is little upside, then why take the risk?
George Galloway @georgegalloway · 1h 1 hour ago
I will be in Halifax on Tuesday interviewing candidates and giving a speech in the evening @ukrespectparty for details
edit: EICIPM = Ed Is Crap Is PM.
It's just BJO's little joke.
@NCPoliticsUK: So even though Opinium an Survation show opposite leads, both have moved in the same direction
Was having dinner w my business partner earlier in the month in a Persian restaurant.. He is Dutch, his gf Iranian, and we talked politics and immigration. She's having trouble with getting a visa
He was quite surprised really that I am a kipper but don't think British is best or England is better than anywhere else etc.. I actually get quite embarrassed when people talk that shite, they must be putting it on
Course I love England, I am English, like you love your family. Doesn't mean we are the best though
Mr Galloway is looking out for pb.com bettor's positions
Cameron's biggest asset is that people in the main are generally favourably disposed to him as PM and remaining as such - particularly when the choice is him or EdM.
A one on one without Farage or the band of Tory-haters is simply an opportunity he cannot pass up when not one single opinion poll shows him having a chance of remaining PM.
He is the one heading for defeat. He needs to do everything he can to shift that.
He coasted to a minority in 2005 when a majority was there for the taking. He's coasting to defeat this time.
F'ckwit.
You aren't still upset after falling for that Ganesh parody tweet are you? I am sorry ok
Can only be good for DC.
don't know what isam's on or got against me but I'm going to ignore the poor fella.
right. Wheres the other poll or polls? want to go to bed.
THE Conservatives could have more ethnic minority MPs elected than Labour for the first time in the next parliament, says a new study.
He probably feels he's got as close as he can get and has settled happily for that. Ducking a 1 to 1 with Ed is probably just a small but fortunate consequence of the bigger deal.
Avoiding Farage was the main prize though.
What will be interesting is the impact the Host has on the nature of the debate.
BBC and Dumblebore have the last 2, ie the Opposition debate and the "big" 3
Farage is everything Dumblebore and the BBC cant stand-I am sure that they will give him the least amount of time on subjects where he is strong. I am sure the "randomly" selected audience questions will have a strong emphasis on subjects that are not strong for Farage.
What i have no idea about is what Julie Etchingham is like.
I think too many people assume the debates will be similar in style -they wont-the host will have a distinct influence on the tone and style of each debate and this will therefore have an impact on the perceived outcome in terms of who performed best/winners and losers etc.
Betting opportunities may well therefore arise
ELBOW UNCROSSOVER
40 days till EICIPM
What scandalises me is the real ale issue!
Do not confess to me that you are a partaker of the ghastly eurofizz when there is a well kept pint of Courage Directors on handpump.
Surely we have grounds for deportation to the colonies right there!
I'm off, it's Saturday night after all.
Yes, everybody seems to be assuming they know how these 'debates' will pan out. They could in fact be wildly unpredictable, and that, as you indicate, will give us all lovely betting opportunities!
As for "Bog Trotter", never heard of the phrase. But if it is in general use, I can't see an atrocity making any difference, none of the other atrocities over there ever did.
I felt the budget was me being lectured at by someone who didn't really get ordinary people.
(only kidding!)
I like an exotic shandy
Prepare the deportation orders!!
Also liking Aspells cider, not convinced it likes me though.
2 papers, 2 leaflets a calendar in last 2 months
"Exposed: Tory's plot with race thugs to fix election" #skypapers
twitter.com/SkyNews/status/579398268465115136
Mr Green again
Will people want 5 more years of austerity? Or will they want to lighten up, live a little, relax and be at ease with ourselves? We can say "ta very much for fixing it but now we want to party".
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/579398923602784256
Since the Indy Referendum that averages out at 406 new members a day.
If the SNP ground game is not a tidal wave then I, and antifrank, Pulpstar and the rest are going to be very disappointed.
That will swipe the UKIP scandals and the Tory Budget surely out of the news.
Black Sheep Gold is also a fine drop.
Both are "Golden" beers but not as sweet as the summer/ autumn versions often are-a proper session beer
Unusually both are almost as good bottled as on draft.
So, we've had LibDem, Conservative and UKIP scandals this week.
Time for a Labour one?
Don't think its a big story if I am honest
It was a weird budget: fiddling around with little bits n' pieces like church roofs and Agincourt [wtf?]. Income tax cut was what was screaming out, a bit of pay back for the hard times.
Anyway that's just me. It left me feeling cold & thinking of voting Labour.
But UKIP might, the last poll there was LAB 37, UKIP 34, CON 24, LD 3, GRN 2
The online marketing guru Michael Green/Shapps got caught posing as a Lib Dem activist a few years back:
http://www.libdemvoice.org/grant-shapps-991.html
Very surprised to see MoS running it at a time like this, although I get the impression that they are a little more sympathetic to UKIP than the Daily version.
When was the last time a Tory Asian candidate tried to fix an election with the EDL 50 days to polling day?
Well worth seeking out on draft but the bottled versions are to be found in Waitrose.
Best to wear sandals while drowning your LD sorrows.
anyhow judging by the polls i evidently aren't alone thinking the budget was a bit crap.
In 2016/7 and 2017/18 its a 1.9% and 1.8% respectively uprating.
Worth 77p a week in both cases £80 over the 2 years
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/21/18/26DCAFC900000578-0-image-m-5_1426962454344.jpg
I actually think it is good that Cameron does have days where he isn't on full PM mode, just like I thought it was very sensible that Blair took fairly regular breaks...otherwise you end up like Brown...but with a few weeks to go to a GE, you thought you might just be foot to the floor trying to grab every vote you can.
don't think thatcher would've made the same mistakes but then she came from humble stock.
Tory leads: Comres (phone), ICM (phone), Ashcroft (phone), TNS (online), Opinium (online)
Lab leads: Populus (online) yougov (online), Survation (online), Comres (online),Ipsos-Mori (phone)
Toss a coin.