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Clearly the run of bad polls for Labour is taking its toll and adding to Tory confidence. We are now on three consecutive Tory leads. If we get to four then it will be the best for the blue team since the 2012 budget.
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Go 10% ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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Second!0
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At last: a Clarkson free thread (so far...)0
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The Lib Dems and UKIP will both be up in tomorrow's Ipsos Mori you would imagine.0
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Good evening, everyone.
Welcome back, Ave It. Good to see you on.0 -
D'oh!rottenborough said:At last: a Clarkson free thread (so far...)
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This is a Clarkson free thread.rottenborough said:At last: a Clarkson free thread (so far...)
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TY Morris Dancer
I would talk about the Grand Prix but it looks like there is no motor discussion on this thread!
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FPT:
Apart from Hodge's hypocrisy and self-righteousness, what really irks me is that, having gone through the Islington experience, she - of all people - should have understood how things can go wrong and how even senior/experienced and - let us be charitable - well-meaning people can get things wrong.
That understanding can and should have informed her approach to similar scandals elsewhere. Not in the sense of letting other people off the hook but in the sense of trying to come up with changes/improvements which have a real chance of making things better, informed by her own experiences. But that would require her to accept that she did wrong and really really learn from what went wrong. And that level of what I would call repentance - rather than remorse - which is superficial requires a level of self-knowledge and humility, which seems entirely absent in her.
And it is a pity because the lashing of HSBC turned into a performance rather than into something potentially useful.
People make mistakes. It's whether they learn from them and how they react to them which is measure of them. On that measure, Hodge has failed. The hypocrisy is merely the icing on the cake.
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Oh god Staines on the change.org petition is now directing the mob to complain directly to the BBC, complete with links / address / phone number.
Some poor sods who answer the phone and do the mail are going to be deluged by nutters.0 -
On thread: I do wonder whether there's a lot of counting chickens on the Tory side.
Even assuming a slight Tory lead - and probably to add to all the excitement we'll find that Labour are 5% ahead tonight - it still likely means that Labour will form the next government. So no real change from what has been likely for the last 3 years or so.
It sometimes feels as if the Tories think that because they find EdM unimaginably awful they simply cannot imagine how anyone can possibly vote Labour. That lack of imagination about why (a) people might not vote Tory - despite what the Tories think of as their own superior competence; and/or (b) people might vote Labour is a big failing.
It tends to turn into a "But the voters cannot be / won't be that stupid, surely!" rant, which is not tremendously attractive.0 -
It is pretty well established now that when the Tories take a terrible beating in the media, sometimes deservedly so, their poll rating improves. When they have a bit of luck, some indisputable successes, their poll rating falls.0
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@FrancisUrquhart
"Some poor sods are going to be deluged by nutters"
But it does mean there will be fewer on PB?
It's an ill wind as they say?0 -
Is this the thread where we talk about the Speaker comparing a woman to a washing machine?
I know an old joke on that theme, but I will spare everyone for the moment.0 -
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I hadn't got you down as a detractor of Miss Kelly Clarkson but clearly we must obey the wishes of OGH and desist from discussing the musical merits of the American songstress.MikeSmithson said:
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Sorry off topic but CNN showing the mugging of a SA camera crew. Nicked the cash but left the most valuable part the camera.
Which recorded them...........
Great
Gene pool?0 -
A brief flick through the history of previous leaders that are polling as poorly as Ed explains the increasing confidence of Tories.Cyclefree said:On thread: I do wonder whether there's a lot of counting chickens on the Tory side.
Even assuming a slight Tory lead - and probably to add to all the excitement we'll find that Labour are 5% ahead tonight - it still likely means that Labour will form the next government. So no real change from what has been likely for the last 3 years or so.
It sometimes feels as if the Tories think that because they find EdM unimaginably awful they simply cannot imagine how anyone can possibly vote Labour. That lack of imagination about why (a) people might not vote Tory - despite what the Tories think of as their own superior competence; and/or (b) people might vote Labour is a big failing.
It tends to turn into a "But the voters cannot be / won't be that stupid, surely!" rant, which is not tremendously attractive.
No one, Lab or Con, has been so poorly rated and won.
There isn't a big enough tribe to support such a lowly regarded leader.0 -
I was talking to a acquaintance today, who said UNITE had been on the phone this morning, making sure he was voting for the right team in May.Cyclefree said:On thread: I do wonder whether there's a lot of counting chickens on the Tory side.
Even assuming a slight Tory lead - and probably to add to all the excitement we'll find that Labour are 5% ahead tonight - it still likely means that Labour will form the next government. So no real change from what has been likely for the last 3 years or so.
It sometimes feels as if the Tories think that because they find EdM unimaginably awful they simply cannot imagine how anyone can possibly vote Labour. That lack of imagination about why (a) people might not vote Tory - despite what the Tories think of as their own superior competence; and/or (b) people might vote Labour is a big failing.
It tends to turn into a "But the voters cannot be / won't be that stupid, surely!" rant, which is not tremendously attractive.
Well he launched into how crap Ed is, how he doesn't want anything to do with SNP or the EU, how we need a strong leader to stand up to Russia and definitely not scrap trident and that it was great news Osborne was cutting beer tax and that petrol prices where down....but he finished his rant with well as I told the UNITE bloke on the phone I am a working man, a union man, so who do you think I will vote for, not the f##king Tories.0 -
Apart from 2010!!!!MikeK said:
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Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.0 -
Shadsy must have been redeployed for the week.Anyone who wants a few of Merkel's second-hand water cannon,contact City Hall,London.The idiot in charge there paid well over the odds, £200k and has brought shame on London.Berlin will be laughing at us.Any odds who he might ,try and sell them to?
Saudi Evens
Bahrain 6-4
Cash payers only.0 -
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.0 -
That's a win. Who else do you think won?FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.
The PM is the one who won.
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Con getting in top gear for the Election!0
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There is always "no precedent" for something happening until it happens and then, bang, there's your precedent.chestnut said:
A brief flick through the history of previous leaders that are polling as poorly as Ed explains the increasing confidence of Tories.Cyclefree said:On thread: I do wonder whether there's a lot of counting chickens on the Tory side.
Even assuming a slight Tory lead - and probably to add to all the excitement we'll find that Labour are 5% ahead tonight - it still likely means that Labour will form the next government. So no real change from what has been likely for the last 3 years or so.
It sometimes feels as if the Tories think that because they find EdM unimaginably awful they simply cannot imagine how anyone can possibly vote Labour. That lack of imagination about why (a) people might not vote Tory - despite what the Tories think of as their own superior competence; and/or (b) people might vote Labour is a big failing.
It tends to turn into a "But the voters cannot be / won't be that stupid, surely!" rant, which is not tremendously attractive.
No one, Lab or Con, has been so poorly rated and won.
There isn't a big enough tribe to support such a lowly regarded leader.
Just because no-one has been so poorly rated and won does not mean that this might not happen - for the first time - this time.
Electoral laws are hardly the laws of physics.
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On-going farce at Rangers FC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-director-chris-graham-in-mohammed-tweet-probe-1-3716522
Sometimes it is safer to troll under an assumed name.0 -
John Curtice says we've had crossover
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-creep-ahead-of-labour-for-the-first-time-in-three-years-in-latest-poll-of-polls-10101519.html0 -
Has he got many Follow Followers on Twitter?dr_spyn said:On-going farce at Rangers FC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-director-chris-graham-in-mohammed-tweet-probe-1-3716522
Sometimes it is safer to troll under an assumed name.0 -
Not so many now - the shit has hit the fan.SandyRentool said:
Has he got many Follow Followers on Twitter?dr_spyn said:On-going farce at Rangers FC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-director-chris-graham-in-mohammed-tweet-probe-1-3716522
Sometimes it is safer to troll under an assumed name.
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Smarmeron said:
@TCPoliticalBetting
Clarkson is selfish, full of his own importance and expects everything handed to him on a silver platter. And you think he "may" be a Tory?
#beardefecation
@Smarmeron
Says you who calls someone thick on here and then tells them not to bother posting to you because they not up to your standard.
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That must be a first. Rangers fan in religious taunting and it doesn't involve the Catholics.dr_spyn said:On-going farce at Rangers FC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-director-chris-graham-in-mohammed-tweet-probe-1-3716522
Sometimes it is safer to troll under an assumed name.0 -
If what we have seen for the past five years is Nick Clegg's backing....FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.0 -
Too true. Cameron had to go on his bended knees to Clegg and the L/dems. Then with the help of William Hague, he forced a fait accompli on is own party for a coalition.FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.0 -
Chelsea team reacting like Little Britain's Emily Howard to a nothing challenge, how embarrassing0
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The BBC put a quiz up about entrepreneurs. But you could only win if you were a "dishonest".
http://www.businesszone.co.uk/blogs/chrisgoodfellow/deputy/take-bbc-kids-quiz-suggests-entrepreneurs-are-dishonest
It was subsequently removed after complaints; the fact that it went up at all tells you what is wrong with the BBC.
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I had a complete camera channel stolen in LA.The cops said it would already be in Mexico..where it would be trashed because it was a PAL system. Some thieves are not too bright0
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Professor Curtice said there were signs that the Tories’ ratings on the economy were starting to improve just in time for the election. For example, YouGov’s “feelgood factor” - whether people think their household finances will get better or worse over the next 12 months - is at its most positive level since the 2010 election. “There are some signs in particular that the deep economic pessimism amongst Ukip supporters is beginning to ease a little,” he said.
Seems rather pertinent.0 -
The Coalition government has lasted five years and considering the hand it was dealt has undertaken the job in hand with some APLOMB.MarqueeMark said:
If what we have seen for the past five years is Nick Clegg's backing....FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.
Both Cameron and Clegg deserve credit accordingly.
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So who wins an election when no-one gets 326 seats? Is it a draw?MikeK said:
Too true. Cameron had to go on his bended knees to Clegg and the L/dems. Then with the help of William Hague, he forced a fait accompli on is own party for a coalition.FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.
And does this mean no-one ever wins an election in countries with PR?
And - hang on - don't you like to say that UKIP won the Euros, when they got a full 10% fewer votes than did the Conservatives in 2010?0 -
@Tykejohnno
Calling some on here thick is the most I can get away with, but if it is any consolation, have a look at some of the things I get called.
As for stopping people replying? nope, it destroys the entertainment.
You appear to be coagulating nicely though.0 -
Christ, Smarmie said that? The dim leftie against whom all other dim lefties are judged?Tykejohnno said:FTPT -
Smarmeron said:
@TCPoliticalBetting
Clarkson is selfish, full of his own importance and expects everything handed to him on a silver platter. And you think he "may" be a Tory?
#beardefecation
@Smarmeron
Says you who calls someone thick on here and then tells them not to bother posting to you because they not up to your standard.
What enrages the lefties beyond belief is that Clarkson is funny, and they have thought since the 80s that they own comedy. Their picture of the future is Ben Elton yelling FATCHAA at an audience in Hampstead, forever.
Oh, and that people in white vans with England flags in the window are the sort of people who find Clarkson funny.
And, Smarmie, "Clarkson may be a tory" is in this context a concession - it doesn't, to anyone who knows how the English language works, imply a doubt on the part of the speaker. cf for example "ed miliband may be leader of the Labour party, but he's as much use as the tits on a bull". Don't, for God's sake, try to be clever at other peoples' expense.
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@Ishmael_X
I will stick to being clever with you then, the exchange rate is superb.0 -
Interesting, very interesting, the DUP says
We’ll back the party that scraps the bedroom tax - In a hung parliament, Northern Ireland’s DUP will back whoever prioritises defence, social justice and beefs up UK border controls
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/tories-labour-democratic-unionist-support0 -
Abit of self-awareness pal.Smarmeron said:@Tykejohnno
Calling some on here thick is the most I can get away with, but if it is any consolation, have a look at some of the things I get called.
As for stopping people replying? nope, it destroys the entertainment.
You appear to be coagulating nicely though.
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Miss Cyclefree, and even the 'laws' of physics get updated. Newton to Einstein to quantum mechanics etc.0
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PR is different and you know it, @rcs1000. And your last observation doesn't deserve an an answer.rcs1000 said:
So who wins an election when no-one gets 326 seats? Is it a draw?MikeK said:
Too true. Cameron had to go on his bended knees to Clegg and the L/dems. Then with the help of William Hague, he forced a fait accompli on is own party for a coalition.FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.
And does this mean no-one ever wins an election in countries with PR?
And - hang on - don't you like to say that UKIP won the Euros, when they got a full 10% fewer votes than did the Conservatives in 2010?0 -
@Tykejohnno
I will take your inane rambling under advisement Tyke.0 -
typical lefty BBC.. anyone who tries to do anything positive has to be slammed down.. I am sick of the BBC.. just listen to Woman's hour discussing black lefty feminism v white lefty feminism.. I expect many reached for the off switch.. jeeez.MarkHopkins said:
The BBC put a quiz up about entrepreneurs. But you could only win if you were a "dishonest".
http://www.businesszone.co.uk/blogs/chrisgoodfellow/deputy/take-bbc-kids-quiz-suggests-entrepreneurs-are-dishonest
It was subsequently removed after complaints; the fact that it went up at all tells you what is wrong with the BBC.
The BBC are out to get Clarkson IMHO.. frankly I couldn't give a toss if they do. Bring it on, it just means the demise of the BBC will be even quicker. Clarkson will just move to another platform taking his team with him.
The BBC are far too busy spouting equality lefty bi/gay transgender whatever to realise what is going on in the real world..
In the latest News, the BBC has stopped quoting how many signatures Clarkson petition has on the front page , you have to hit the link to find out... and that number is miles behind,... tick tock.0 -
And it may well be that this will happen again.chestnut said:
Agreed, but there is an observable tendency of the electorate to reject any party led by a leader they are unconvinced by.Cyclefree said:Electoral laws are hardly the laws of physics.
But given how rubbish EdM appears to be - and I don't think he is quite as all rubbish as that - Labour have been in the lead for quite a long time and are in with a pretty good chance of forning the next government. That may be down to the Labour brand, hatred of the Tories, a desire not to have austerity, inertia, whatever. But - especially given that the much predicted implosion post-defeat and Brown's departure didn't happen - to be in that position is no mean feat.
Hubris and complacency will - if they are not careful - be the Tories' undoing. They seem to me to have more of a mountain to climb. They need to avoid any Sheffield rally moments too. The ability of the Tories to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory should not be underestimated.
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OGH has thankfully determined this as a Clarkson free thread.
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That is a spoof right?MarkHopkins said:
The BBC put a quiz up about entrepreneurs. But you could only win if you were a "dishonest".
http://www.businesszone.co.uk/blogs/chrisgoodfellow/deputy/take-bbc-kids-quiz-suggests-entrepreneurs-are-dishonest
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Seem quite left wing - all the right wing issues (Sodomy in Ulster etc) tend to be devolved.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting, very interesting, the DUP says
We’ll back the party that scraps the bedroom tax - In a hung parliament, Northern Ireland’s DUP will back whoever prioritises defence, social justice and beefs up UK border controls
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/tories-labour-democratic-unionist-support0 -
Mr. K, Vanilla mail for you.0
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Now that Al Murray has silenced the whispers and satisfactorily established his leftist credentials, perhaps he will be rewarded with a funny car show on the BBC.0
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FrancisUrquhart said:
That is a spoof right?MarkHopkins said:
The BBC put a quiz up about entrepreneurs. But you could only win if you were a "dishonest".
http://www.businesszone.co.uk/blogs/chrisgoodfellow/deputy/take-bbc-kids-quiz-suggests-entrepreneurs-are-dishonest
It was subsequently removed after complaints; the fact that it went up at all tells you what is wrong with the BBC.
No.
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@frpenkridge
The Beeb could recruit a new team from the denizens of PB?
Think of the chemistry that could be achieved?
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True, but things so far are correlating very nicely with tory predictions. It is well over a year since I explained to one of the Boba hive-mind that ed's poor personal ratings were money in the bank for the tories, because they would start to translate into VI shifts at about the start of the campaign. And here we are.Cyclefree said:On thread: I do wonder whether there's a lot of counting chickens on the Tory side.
Even assuming a slight Tory lead - and probably to add to all the excitement we'll find that Labour are 5% ahead tonight - it still likely means that Labour will form the next government. So no real change from what has been likely for the last 3 years or so.
It sometimes feels as if the Tories think that because they find EdM unimaginably awful they simply cannot imagine how anyone can possibly vote Labour. That lack of imagination about why (a) people might not vote Tory - despite what the Tories think of as their own superior competence; and/or (b) people might vote Labour is a big failing.
It tends to turn into a "But the voters cannot be / won't be that stupid, surely!" rant, which is not tremendously attractive.
Obviously it is, as you say, a bit previous to be getting previous about things. On the other hand, I look at miliband these days and I think "is there enough popcorn in the world to see us through till May?"0 -
Is he after a free pizza?TheScreamingEagles said:John Curtice says we've had crossover
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-creep-ahead-of-labour-for-the-first-time-in-three-years-in-latest-poll-of-polls-10101519.html0 -
Smarmeron said:
@frpenkridge
The Beeb could recruit a new team from the denizens of PB?
Think of the chemistry that could be achieved?
(possibly advanced nuclear fission as well with the right choices)
Fission is "easy". It's fusion that's the hard one.
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What will they do if they get 2 out of the 3 e.g. border controls and defence (and some contracts for NI) but the bedroom tax stays??Pulpstar said:
Seem quite left wing - all the right wing issues (Sodomy in Ulster etc) tend to be devolved.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting, very interesting, the DUP says
We’ll back the party that scraps the bedroom tax - In a hung parliament, Northern Ireland’s DUP will back whoever prioritises defence, social justice and beefs up UK border controls
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/tories-labour-democratic-unionist-support
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And heavier-than-air flight, even.Smarmeron said:@frpenkridge
The Beeb could recruit a new team from the denizens of PB?
Think of the chemistry that could be achieved?
(possibly advanced nuclear fission as well with the right choices)
Fish in a barrel.0 -
BBC News 24 carried something re Lambeth abuse - missed the detail.0
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If people in South Thanet that don't like UKIP or Farage vote for Al Murray it's hardly going to hurt UKIP is it? Hope he comes 2nd myselffrpenkridge said:Now that Al Murray has silenced the whispers and satisfactorily established his leftist credentials, perhaps he will be rewarded with a funny car show on the BBC.
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We are even banned from Dirty DicksIshmael_X said:
And heavier-than-air flight, even.Smarmeron said:@frpenkridge
The Beeb could recruit a new team from the denizens of PB?
Think of the chemistry that could be achieved?
(possibly advanced nuclear fission as well with the right choices)
Fish in a barrel.
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I beg your pardon? What doubt was there over Murrays bleeding heart left leaning liberal status?frpenkridge said:Now that Al Murray has silenced the whispers and satisfactorily established his leftist credentials, perhaps he will be rewarded with a funny car show on the BBC.
Did people think the Pub Landlord character secretly reflected his views or something?0 -
Edit: Oh, Clarkson free. Good, plenty of days ahead for that story to run it seems.
I hope it is another Tory lead. They've had a few and confidence is up a bit as we see, but I wouldn't count it as sustained yet, so we haven't really seen proper Tory overconfidence or Labour panic, despite spread markets and the like. Labour need to be behind for a bit longer before they start to get entertainingly panicked, or the Tories entertainingly gloating (even though, as Cyclefree points out, they have reason to remain cautious about their chances even so)0 -
MORI could be a killing blow!
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@MarkHopkins
Any sort of coming together of the minds on PB would take an infinite energy input, and thus not be viable.0 -
Yep.Alistair said:
I beg your pardon? What doubt was there over Murrays bleeding heart left leaning liberal status?frpenkridge said:Now that Al Murray has silenced the whispers and satisfactorily established his leftist credentials, perhaps he will be rewarded with a funny car show on the BBC.
Did people think the Pub Landlord character secretly reflected his views or something?
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As we have seen with the debates, the media love nothing more to spend hours talking to other media types about the media...so it has a way to go yet.kle4 said:So how many days do we think this Clarkson business will run? It seems to have animated the beyondthepointofreason-anti-bbc crowds out there (as well as the morereasonable-anti-bbc crowds) I assume because Clarkson is popular with much of the public (he is a likable fellow imo), so with a big name story and political conspiracies flowing around, I'd give it to the end of the week at least.
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I wonder why Cameron sacked this bright spark?
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/jeremy-clarkson-is-a-legend-and-its-the-bbcs-fault-anyway0 -
Mr. kle4, definitely until this Sunday at least, probably with a flare up of interest a fortnight later, when the series ought to have ended and people wonder if that's the end of Top Gear in its current form.0
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NI operates its own social security system, the rates are the same as ours I think but bedroom tax could probably be devolved quite easily.Cyclefree said:
What will they do if they get 2 out of the 3 e.g. border controls and defence (and some contracts for NI) but the bedroom tax stays??Pulpstar said:
Seem quite left wing - all the right wing issues (Sodomy in Ulster etc) tend to be devolved.TheScreamingEagles said:Interesting, very interesting, the DUP says
We’ll back the party that scraps the bedroom tax - In a hung parliament, Northern Ireland’s DUP will back whoever prioritises defence, social justice and beefs up UK border controls
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/tories-labour-democratic-unionist-support
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Ferrets/sack...
@GdnPolitics: Mandelson undermines Ed Miliband stance on mansion tax and TV debates http://t.co/AWUjKzge0q0 -
I think it's quite clear the Tories won the last election, unlike both the other main parties they increased both votes and seats and were the largest party in Parliament. They didn't quite do well enough to win outright though.MikeK said:
PR is different and you know it, @rcs1000. And your last observation doesn't deserve an an answer.rcs1000 said:
So who wins an election when no-one gets 326 seats? Is it a draw?MikeK said:
Too true. Cameron had to go on his bended knees to Clegg and the L/dems. Then with the help of William Hague, he forced a fait accompli on is own party for a coalition.FrankBooth said:
No he didn't win. He only became PM with Nick Clegg's backing.Philip_Thompson said:
Cameron won 2010. Or have the last five years of him and not Brown being PM all been a dream?MikeK said:
It doesn't require a majority to win an election, a plurality leading to a majority coalition is a type of win. The only type most PR nations ever face.
And does this mean no-one ever wins an election in countries with PR?
And - hang on - don't you like to say that UKIP won the Euros, when they got a full 10% fewer votes than did the Conservatives in 2010?
If labour do the same in May I will quite happily say they've won as well.
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Ed has a big problem with females. A poll showed that just one in 10 women think Mr Miliband is good enough to be Prime Minister, compared to 31 per cent of women who backed David Cameron. Even if Ed’s economic policies added up, some of us will always look at him and see a swotty, bunged-up boy in a Vicks Sinex ad.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11464815/Now-Ed-Miliband-wants-to-weaponise-his-wife.html
So some spin doctor says: “I know, let’s give the BBC exclusive access to Ed with his wife and kids in the park. Get Justine to say what a great dad Ed is, and how principled too, then all women will agree with her and vote Labour!”
There is, I’m afraid, another possibility. All women may well look at Justine and think: “What on earth is she doing this for when she’s her own person with her own career? Why agree to be filmed as a doting helpmeet unless things are really desperate?”0 -
Smearing someone who is dead and unable therefore to defend themselves . What a pusillanimous little SH1TE you areTCPoliticalBetting said:I thought and hoped this was a Clarkson free thread. Has he actually murdered anyone or committed Cyril Smith levels of abuse?
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It'll come as a shock to them that there some people in this world who follow up on their death threats.TheScreamingEagles said:
That must be a first. Rangers fan in religious taunting and it doesn't involve the Catholics.dr_spyn said:On-going farce at Rangers FC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/rangers-director-chris-graham-in-mohammed-tweet-probe-1-3716522
Sometimes it is safer to troll under an assumed name.0 -
You smear people alive or dead.. so what does it say about you.?MarkSenior said:
Smearing someone who is dead and unable therefore to defend themselves . What a pusillanimous little SH1TE you areTCPoliticalBetting said:I thought and hoped this was a Clarkson free thread. Has he actually murdered anyone or committed Cyril Smith levels of abuse?
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Whom have I smeared ?SquareRoot said:
You smear people alive or dead.. so what does it say about you.?MarkSenior said:
Smearing someone who is dead and unable therefore to defend themselves . What a pusillanimous little SH1TE you areTCPoliticalBetting said:I thought and hoped this was a Clarkson free thread. Has he actually murdered anyone or committed Cyril Smith levels of abuse?
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I am fine waiting for next round in my online Bridge Tourney .SeanT said:
Er, Mark, you ok hon?MarkSenior said:
Smearing someone who is dead and unable therefore to defend themselves . What a pusillanimous little SH1TE you areTCPoliticalBetting said:I thought and hoped this was a Clarkson free thread. Has he actually murdered anyone or committed Cyril Smith levels of abuse?
Seriously, calm down. Have a stroll. You seem unduly agitated.
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The wives (or when it has happened or will happen, husbands) of leaders of political parties being trotted out for political purposes, when they are not themselves generally a part of the whole business, really does irritate me I must say. I think someone said yesterday it was an americanism that is becoming the norm over here, and while I find the introduction of debates, if they happened, an entertaining americanism adoption, the spouses of politicians being involved (in a direct way, as part of strategies) is not one I would welcome.0
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Pass the mind bleach. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/fury-sexist-sun-depict-first-5314278
Daily Record v The Sun's use of mocked up photo of Sturgeon and wrecking ball and tartan bikini.0 -
Mr. kle4, again, I agree entirely. Unless a spouse is up for election, they have no business campaigning.
F1: I think Sauber will make a Van Der Garde decision [or it might be their appeal] late tonight, so tomorrow we may know just what they're doing regarding their drivers in Australia.0 -
The laws of physics don't change in human timeframes - the modelling of the laws of physics does change.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Cyclefree, and even the 'laws' of physics get updated. Newton to Einstein to quantum mechanics etc.
Sort of reminds me of the quiz question "What was the tallest mountain before Everest was discovered?"
(Actually Everest is neither the tallest (bottom to top - Mauna Kea) or highest (furthest away from the centre of the earth - Chimborazo) mountain on earth (and is dwarfed by olympus mons on Mars)) It IS the highest above sea level.0 -
All this talk of counting chickens and over-confidence is so wrong. Real conservatives, accepting as they do the imperfectability of Man, are viewing the coming election with dread.0
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Mr. K, most peculiar. Have you checked your inbox? [Top right of your Vanilla profile].0
