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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,989
    eek said:

    Not even close to a full moon but some are baying at it as night draws in:



    Nigel Farage

    @Nigel_Farage
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    What we witnessed today was deeply troubling to anyone who cares about our democracy.

    Make no mistake, this really is a coup.

    There must be a general election immediately.

    Tell me you don’t understand how the UK constitution works without admitting your lack of knowledge out loud.

    I do hope that Farage’s request for £5m is confirms as that means his £5m is a payment so subject to £3m of rather overdue tax
    There must be some tiny little sweetener in the budget costing £3m that the Chancellor can thank Mr Farage for - ensuring the Battersea Dogs Home gets a tax break or something similar....
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,856
    Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary. She represents Peckham. So I guess she'll be in favour of drilling....


    ....for sources of spring water.


    Described as Soft Left, so continuity Miliband?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,653
    Great start from Burnham - removing VAT on electricity helps the poorest households the most, encourages the switch away from fossil fuels etc etc.

    Small steps but something, finally,
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Taz said:

    Ed Davey as inept as ever on GMB.

    Claiming if there was an election today the Lib Dem’s would be the official opposition.

    Roundly being mocked by both Ed Balls and Susannah Reid.

    Embarrassing.

    Are you saying he is yesterday's stunt man?
    But not very cunning
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I agree with Mr. L, who pointed out funding something permanently by scrapping a temporary expenditure does not make sense.

    On the other hand, I'm dead against the digital ID bullshit so I'm certainly not criticising that being axed.

    It’s not funded permanently - it’s very clear that the cut is currently only until April.

    Got to say it wouldn’t be my first choice of tax cut - it helps people with EVs who can charge at home far more than anyone else
    However that only partially offsets the tax imposed on them on a per mile basis when it is implemented in around 18 months
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661

    Andy Burnham has appointed Kanishka Narayan as the UK's first ever Minister for AI

    His background, he is basically Labour's Rishi Sunak.

    So someone with a clue as to what AI can / can’t do has the job of being AI minister - how dare Andy appoint someone clueful into that role
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,004
    MAGA congressman shilling on behalf of credibly accused rapists (yet again).

    As a former prosecutor, I understand the importance of protecting Americans in times of crisis. The US Constitution is the greatest protection in the world for its citizens. The Tate brothers are American citizens and so they deserve full American Constitutional protections - which means innocent until proven guilty. No American court has charged them with a crime despite years of false alarms and innuendos. They’ve been deplatformed, debanked, arrested, and still no convictions - something President Trump has endured for years.

    There should be no extradition of American citizens when the charges are unclear and political. The US government should either charge them with a crime or protect them from reckless court proceedings in the UK and Romania.

    Political lawfare is dangerous.

    The rule of law still matters and it is our responsibility to uphold the integrity of the justice system.

    https://x.com/AbrahamHamadeh/status/2079248389850718213
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,653
    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I agree with Mr. L, who pointed out funding something permanently by scrapping a temporary expenditure does not make sense.

    On the other hand, I'm dead against the digital ID bullshit so I'm certainly not criticising that being axed.

    It’s not funded permanently - it’s very clear that the cut is currently only until April.

    Got to say it wouldn’t be my first choice of tax cut - it helps people with EVs who can charge at home far more than anyone else
    It’s still the case that electricity consumption as proportion correlates inversely with income - if you don’t drive and live in a small flat that’s what you’re using. And encouraging the transition to EVs is the cherry on top.

    If he also abolishes standing charges too then it will be a brilliant start.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    MikeL said:

    Nigelb said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC: "The UK's new Chancellor John Healey says cutting VAT from domestic electricity bills will be funded from cancelling the Digital ID programme."

    So the BBC has swallowed it in full.

    BBC Licence Fee Revenue £3.8bn. BBC employs 20,000 people - not a typo, yes TWENTY THOUSAND.

    And there's not a single person in the building there who is numerate enough to spot what a child at Primary School should be able to work out in a couple of minutes.

    It was reported as being fully funded in the current year.
    There will, of course, be a budget in the autumn, which will be the new Chancellor's first opportunity to make the books balance.
    I’m not sure even that is true.
    Were they really planning to spend £850m on Digital ID by next March? I doubt it - it hadn’t even started.
    Had the OBR forecast £850m on Digital ID this year?
    Sorry but this is completely half baked and is going to make Burnham look very silly when the IFS tells the media it doesn’t stack up.
    £850m is a balancing error for the Government.

    The point was to kill something off while at the same time providing a cost saving for the tax reduction. Yes it doesn’t add up but

    Killing is cards - popular
    Reduction in electricity bills - popular
    Figure is small enough no one looking at budgets will care - popular

    I’m impressed by the approach it shows that Burnham has far more political nounce than SKS ever had
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,653
    edited 6:47AM
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I agree with Mr. L, who pointed out funding something permanently by scrapping a temporary expenditure does not make sense.

    On the other hand, I'm dead against the digital ID bullshit so I'm certainly not criticising that being axed.

    It’s not funded permanently - it’s very clear that the cut is currently only until April.

    Got to say it wouldn’t be my first choice of tax cut - it helps people with EVs who can charge at home far more than anyone else
    However that only partially offsets the tax imposed on them on a per mile basis when it is implemented in around 18 months
    The mileage charge was one of the worst policies of the last two years. He should bin that and devolve vehicle taxation to councils - congestion, parking etc etc
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary. She represents Peckham. So I guess she'll be in favour of drilling....


    ....for sources of spring water.


    Described as Soft Left, so continuity Miliband?

    She was also a fan of Green New Deal Rising.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,882

    NEW THREAD

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,220
    edited 6:57AM
    In having Bridget Phillipson swapped out for Lucy Powell Burnham has started by managing something I would have sworn was impossible.

    He’s found somebody nastier, smugger and still more incompetent to run the DfE.

    Not that it will make much difference given the abysmal quality of the department’s permanent staff, but it’s still remarkable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,004
    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I agree with Mr. L, who pointed out funding something permanently by scrapping a temporary expenditure does not make sense.

    On the other hand, I'm dead against the digital ID bullshit so I'm certainly not criticising that being axed.

    It’s not funded permanently - it’s very clear that the cut is currently only until April.

    Got to say it wouldn’t be my first choice of tax cut - it helps people with EVs who can charge at home far more than anyone else
    As the BBC also reported, this is about signalling to the markets that there won't be any unfunded give-aways before the Budget - in three or four month's time.

    That will be the moment to judge this new administration's fiscal probity (or lack of it). For now, it's just quibbling.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,428
    ydoethur said:

    In having Bridget Phillipson swapped out for Lucy Powell Burnham has started by managing something I would have sworn was impossible.

    He’s found somebody nastier, smugger and still more incompetent to run the DfE.

    Not that it will make much difference given the abysmal quality of the department’s permanent staff, but it’s still remarkable.

    When my uncle was a teacher I used to sit and absorb his complaints about whoever the current Secretary of State for Education was. Eventually I asked him if he'd ever had a good opinion of any incumbent during his time teaching and what could a future one do to earn his approval. His answer was no and "They could increase my salary". After that I realised that teachers are the worst people to judge the quality of an SoS of Education.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051
    eek said:

    MikeL said:

    Nigelb said:

    MikeL said:

    BBC: "The UK's new Chancellor John Healey says cutting VAT from domestic electricity bills will be funded from cancelling the Digital ID programme."

    So the BBC has swallowed it in full.

    BBC Licence Fee Revenue £3.8bn. BBC employs 20,000 people - not a typo, yes TWENTY THOUSAND.

    And there's not a single person in the building there who is numerate enough to spot what a child at Primary School should be able to work out in a couple of minutes.

    It was reported as being fully funded in the current year.
    There will, of course, be a budget in the autumn, which will be the new Chancellor's first opportunity to make the books balance.
    I’m not sure even that is true.
    Were they really planning to spend £850m on Digital ID by next March? I doubt it - it hadn’t even started.
    Had the OBR forecast £850m on Digital ID this year?
    Sorry but this is completely half baked and is going to make Burnham look very silly when the IFS tells the media it doesn’t stack up.
    £850m is a balancing error for the Government.

    The point was to kill something off while at the same time providing a cost saving for the tax reduction. Yes it doesn’t add up but

    Killing is cards - popular
    Reduction in electricity bills - popular
    Figure is small enough no one looking at budgets will care - popular

    I’m impressed by the approach it shows that Burnham has far more political nounce than SKS ever had
    Terminating ID cards and allowing new O&G licences look to be exercises in stripping barnacles off the boat.

    The ID card project was stuck in the quicksands. Burnham had the choice of investing significant political and actual capital into the project or let it hang around as a zombie. Instead of which he makes a show of closing it as [non-existent] money savings that he can pass on in the form of lower energy bills.

    Granting the new O&G licences shuts down the nonsense about a North Sea bonanza and allows Miatta Fahnbulleh to quietly carry on with Ed Miliband's energy policy and transition.

    Burnham is a lot better at retail politics than Starmer I think
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,220
    edited 7:20AM
    Stereodog said:

    ydoethur said:

    In having Bridget Phillipson swapped out for Lucy Powell Burnham has started by managing something I would have sworn was impossible.

    He’s found somebody nastier, smugger and still more incompetent to run the DfE.

    Not that it will make much difference given the abysmal quality of the department’s permanent staff, but it’s still remarkable.

    When my uncle was a teacher I used to sit and absorb his complaints about whoever the current Secretary of State for Education was. Eventually I asked him if he'd ever had a good opinion of any incumbent during his time teaching and what could a future one do to earn his approval. His answer was no and "They could increase my salary". After that I realised that teachers are the worst people to judge the quality of an SoS of Education.
    There have been some good ones. McGregor. Morris. Greening.

    McGregor and Greening had in common that they knew very little but were willing to listen and learn. Morris of course was an expert.

    All of them did however have in common that they were very quickly removed for daring to listen to experts and not their permanent officials.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,618
    IanB2 said:

    Battlebus said:

    IanB2 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    viewcode said:

    Remaining slots now filled.

    Moved

    • Alex Norris is in as Justice Secretary
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Chris Bryant is in as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Ellie Reeves is in as Attorney General
    • Emma Reynolds is in as Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    • Emma Reynolds Angela Eagle is in as DEFRA
    • Hamish Falconer is a minister across both the Cabinet Office and Foreign Office.
    • Kanishka Narayan will be a minister of state across the Cabinet Office and the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport.
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Stephen Kinnock is in as Secretary of State for Wales
    • Wes Streeting is in as Defence Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT (department merged into Business and Trade, which will be renamed as the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade)
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Douglas Alexander remains as Secretary of State for Scotland
    • Heidi Alexander remains as Secretary of State for Transport
    • Lisa Nandy remains as Culture Secretary (department renamed as the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport)
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    • Alan Campbell remains as Leader of the House of Commons.
    • Angela Smith remains as Leader of the House of Lords.
    • Matthew Pennycook remains as a minister in the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government.

    All slots now filled. Go home, folks, go home.

    Healy appointment inspired in terms of markets and defence spending
    Streeting will weed out waste in Defence as he did in NHS
    Ed Miliband, a Jew whose parents fled fascism who will fight Netanyahu and Zionism globally is inspired.

    All positives

    Biggest negattive, replacing the excellent Phillipson with Lucy fecking Powell

    Throwing Starmer loyalists under the bus is very petty and Johnsonian. The tribal Lucy Powell in Education demonstrates Burnham is not the genius he believes he is.
    The political reform elements of Burnham’s agenda will be the most challenging to push forward, given all the vested interests, and I suspect an under appreciated aspect of the new PM’s team selection was picking people who are up for it.

    In particular, given the devolution agenda, has he picked MPs with prior local government backgrounds?
    Does he care? He's been able to massage his own ego and a that of a few mates. The country has nothing to do with it.

    GE soon.
    Unduly negative and cynical. And if you think the current lot are bad, do take a good long look at the alternatives.
    You could call it that - or a fair assessment of the internal tribalism of Labour. Soundbites and eye catching media stunts don't win elections (see Farage). It's down to how you shape the economy to take the economic winds and storms because the banks will notice.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,094

    Andy Burnham has appointed Kanishka Narayan as the UK's first ever Minister for AI

    His background, he is basically Labour's Rishi Sunak.

    Interesting biography.

    He went to Eton College on a sponsorship, then joined the Labour Party at 18 !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,094
    edited 7:40AM
    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I agree with Mr. L, who pointed out funding something permanently by scrapping a temporary expenditure does not make sense.

    On the other hand, I'm dead against the digital ID bullshit so I'm certainly not criticising that being axed.

    It’s not funded permanently - it’s very clear that the cut is currently only until April.

    Got to say it wouldn’t be my first choice of tax cut - it helps people with EVs who can charge at home far more than anyone else
    I'm interest3d in why the objections to this are so visceral in the UK amongst certain groups (is it a demograhic thing?).

    Dogital ID is already a thing across much of Europe and is arriving across the EU aiui, and it's not as if they don't already have all the information.

    Update: I'm leaving "Dogotal ID" because that is a better name for Canine ID Chips .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,627
    GB News moaning about no Labour people wanting to chat to them this morning :lol:
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