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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Nandy stays at Culture.

    Just bizarro.

    Comes across to me as someone who would rather be anywhere else.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20


    Rowland Manthorpe
    @rowlsmanthorpe
    Reliably informed that the decision to scrap DSIT originated in the Cabinet Office, where Antonia Romeo wants to have control over AI - although of course it was signed off by Team Burnham, who don't see AI as a major priority

    Apparently this goes right back to Starmer's decision to move GDS away from the Cabinet Office and into DSIT

    Not just the politicians who play politics

    https://x.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/2079298459476074707

    Head in hands. One of the things Starmer cabinet did get right was that AI is super important, the problem is they only had numpties in place to talk to people who know about AI.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    glw said:


    Rowland Manthorpe
    @rowlsmanthorpe
    Reliably informed that the decision to scrap DSIT originated in the Cabinet Office, where Antonia Romeo wants to have control over AI - although of course it was signed off by Team Burnham, who don't see AI as a major priority

    Apparently this goes right back to Starmer's decision to move GDS away from the Cabinet Office and into DSIT

    Not just the politicians who play politics

    https://x.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/2079298459476074707

    Hmm, we are screwed.
    Oh, that much is certain. We're just discussing who gets the exploding deckchairs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416

    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
    Nandy and Burnham go back a long way.
    They were and are again neighbouring MP's.
    Doesn't mean she is up to the task. She is a poor media performer who can't handle pressure
    I think she is fine with the media. I quite rate her. But she comes across as having no real deep interest in her brief. Her thing is regional development and towns vs cities.

    Surely Burnham can make better use of that given his wishes to level up etc etc??
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,434

    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
    Nandy and Burnham go back a long way.
    They were and are again neighbouring MP's.
    Doesn't mean she is up to the task. She is a poor media performer who can't handle pressure
    It's an interesting interesting question as to.how far her invisibility at the Ministry of Fun is sulking at not having a bigger job, and how much it's that it's the level she is capable of operating at. But I'm suspicious that the balance of "best people Labour has" to "Andy's allies" isn't quite right here.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,347

    Something clearly hasn't gone quite right. There is no way after weeks of Haigh interviewing people would they have not had their cabinet sorted. But now we are at 10.30pm and there is a football team worth of MPs standing around in #10 to find out if they made the team or got the Jordon Henderson role.

    It's now about 25 minutes since the last appointment was announced (Nandy) so I share your view that there's been a hitch. At this rate they'll still be going long after midnight.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    It's 10:40pm for Pete's sake. How long does it take to say "You're off to Northern Ireland, Wes. Don't let the doorknob hit you on the back."
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927
    Cookie said:

    Have we done the fella who has been charged with the Anne Widdecombe murder? I hope I'm not acting in dubious legal territory to mention that my initial reaction is that he looks a right dick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n2erympvo

    Opinion on X is it's a hairy biker.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,939
    It's all going well isn't it? 👍😈👍
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,741
    HYUFD said:

    Thank goodness he never became PM 'Every pound that is spent on “defence” is a pound not spent on social housing, education or our NHS.'

    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2079262134282633401?s=20

    Jeremy Corbyn committed to spending over 2% on defence in both his manifestos. That's basically what Sunak achieved. There was no difference between them really.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927

    A Labour source says: "A lot of enemies to make on day one, all because Andy can’t say no to his mates."

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079309035057143864

    The Starmer counter-revolution begins here.
    As per Newsnight. Apparently the sacked allies of Starmer received a rousing cheer when they entered the pub tonight. Sounds like a faction is still there then.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20

    A Labour source says: "A lot of enemies to make on day one, all because Andy can’t say no to his mates."

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079309035057143864

    Burnham invited Sacha Lord to No10, the guy who:

    1) snaffled £400k of taxpayers' money for his company by lying about what it did
    2) was forced to resign as Burnham's advisor when @ManchesterMill exposed it
    3) hasn't repaid the money because the company somehow went bust

    https://x.com/joshi/status/2079214939131007041?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,627


    Rowland Manthorpe
    @rowlsmanthorpe
    Reliably informed that the decision to scrap DSIT originated in the Cabinet Office, where Antonia Romeo wants to have control over AI - although of course it was signed off by Team Burnham, who don't see AI as a major priority

    Apparently this goes right back to Starmer's decision to move GDS away from the Cabinet Office and into DSIT

    Not just the politicians who play politics

    https://x.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/2079298459476074707

    Head in hands. One of the things Starmer cabinet did get right was that AI is super important, the problem is they only had numpties in place to talk to people who know about AI.
    Super important for companies to lay off thousands of workers?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    edited July 20

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    Perhaps he is giving out the shandy and the soft toys.

    (runs, hides under table)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    edited July 20

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    Edited not confirmed yet

    Fake news
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    As I was briefly passing the newspaper stand at lunchtime I spotted one saying something about Burnham not going to be popular in the South.

    I'm sure that will devastate him, but as a resident of the South West we don't generally think Labour are that enamoured of us in the first place - but that said even though it was a Labour landslide in 2024 I was amazed that they took the largest number of seats.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,434

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    What's the split of Granadaland vs. the rest?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084
    viewcode said:

    It's 10:40pm for Pete's sake. How long does it take to say "You're off to Northern Ireland, Wes. Don't let the doorknob hit you on the back."

    It does make me wonder about those stories that said Burnham wanted until September to prepare to take over as PM. What if he really did need that time, and he's just not ready?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    Yes, Angela Eagle is in at DEFRA: https://xcancel.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2079309264917508531#m . Ten left in Downing Street wanting a wee.

    Moved
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Emma Reynolds Angela Eagle is in as DEFRA
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT (department merged into Business and Trade, which will be renamed as the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade)
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Lisa Nandy remains as Culture Secretary (department renamed as the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport)
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Alex Norris
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
    • Wes Streeting
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,939
    Wes = Defence Secretary
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,501
    Wes Defence Secretary
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,501
    Alex Norris Justice
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 926

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    If they didn't stumble at guacamole.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641
    edited July 20

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
    Nandy and Burnham go back a long way.
    They were and are again neighbouring MP's.
    Doesn't mean she is up to the task. She is a poor media performer who can't handle pressure
    I think she is fine with the media. I quite rate her. But she comes across as having no real deep interest in her brief. Her thing is regional development and towns vs cities.

    Surely Burnham can make better use of that given his wishes to level up etc etc??
    Nandy has been Culture Secretary for two years and as far as I know hasn't done a single thing while there. She is supposedly in charge of new BBC funding arrangement and has pronounced some vague and extremely half baked suggestions but that's it I think. Contrast say with Miliband who is on top of his brief, knows what he wants, and is effective in getting stuff done.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    kle4 said:

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
    Wrong reward for him though.

    Huge mistake.

    He's a health, housing, regional development type guy imho not tanks.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,162
    edited July 20
    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Waitrose of the Noooorth.

    Though neither Booths or Waitrose are to be seen in the Flatlands, and Ed seems to have got through the filter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    KLE4...you are..drum roll.....I am sorry NOT the new defense minister...you will be going home this evening empty handed.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,347
    Streeting as new Defence Secretary.
    Decent record at Health and a good communicator.

    Alex Norris to Justice.

    Angela Eagle to DEFRA.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    Never heard of Booth's except on here.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416

    Alex Norris Justice

    What's his view on the centuries old idea of jury trial?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    Wes goes to Defence, Alex Norris to Justice. Eight left wanting a wee.


    Moved
    • Alex Norris is in as Justice Secretary
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Emma Reynolds Angela Eagle is in as DEFRA
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Wes Streeting is in as Defence Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT (department merged into Business and Trade, which will be renamed as the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade)
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Lisa Nandy remains as Culture Secretary (department renamed as the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport)
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984

    Alex Norris Justice

    Worst super hero idea ever.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927
    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Worse an upmarket Waitrose, but crucially only found in da north...
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 926

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Fail. Should've made an example of the poisonous snake.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,162
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    There's a Booths in Ilkley.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,164

    Alex Norris Justice

    What's his view on the centuries old idea of jury trial?

    And who on earth is he?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,347
    Is there a back door where the unsuccessful ones who went in are sneaking out unseen?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239

    kle4 said:

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
    Wrong reward for him though.

    Huge mistake.

    He's a health, housing, regional development type guy imho not tanks.
    It’s fine, the military and MOD civil service will provide his talking points and let him ride in a tank if he’s good.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    edited July 20
    Bloomberg have weighed it all up and...

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    ***NEW: Bloomberg read on one of the most extraordinary days I can remember reporting on British politics***

    Andy Burnham today promised the most transformational government in four decades with a long list of expensive policy ambitions that will cost tens of billions of pounds. The question is how on earth he’s going to pay for it. Major new borrowing and tax rises look inevitable. It sets up months of uncertainty before an historic budget.

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2079308687374422306
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    Ilkley has a Booths but they closed the one in Ripon last October
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    There's a Booths in Ilkley.
    Sounds like an invasion.
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 110
    Used to be one in Ripon too! But yes, Ilkley has one.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    Its like a late night politics reboot of Surprise Surprise crossed with This is Your Life.

    Burnham must have had his tea around half 8 as the mantlepiece clock is showing either around half 7 or 9:40pm
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084

    kle4 said:

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
    Wrong reward for him though.

    Huge mistake.

    He's a health, housing, regional development type guy imho not tanks.
    Does that leave Al Carns on the backbenches then?

    I guess the anti-Burnham take is that none of his mates wanted to be Defence Secretary, so it was the most senior job left over.
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 110
    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    edited July 20
    James_M said:

    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.

    And Keswick, Kendal and Windermere
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360
    edited July 20

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    There's a Booths in Ilkley.
    And in Settle. I expect Sunil has shopped there, although it’s a long drag from the station.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Trump imposes 50% tariff on Canadian imports

    US President Donald Trump has signed an order imposing a 50% tariff on a wide range of goods imported from Canada, in retaliation for what he called "unequal treatment" of US cars, dairy and alcohol.

    The duties take effect on 19 August and mark a major escalation in trade tensions between the North American neighbours.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4dzq3x3e1o
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,162
    edited July 20
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    Knutsford. Good for Manchester footballers, if not strictly in Manchester.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927
    James_M said:

    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.

    I have to say it's a highlight of my lakes holidays. Yes, I am that sad. But a good shop in Booths starts your holiday on the front foot.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984
    eek said:

    James_M said:

    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.

    And Keswick, Kendal and Windermere
    One in Ulverston. And bizarrely in Knutsford.
    Doesn't pass the "Makerfield Test".
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 926

    Is there a back door where the unsuccessful ones who went in are sneaking out unseen?

    They can resign but they can never leave.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    I think there's one in Salford Quays.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,434

    Alex Norris Justice

    What's his view on the centuries old idea of jury trial?

    And who on earth is he?
    Previously policing minister, MP in Nottingham, not part of the Manc mafia... (checks a bit further...) went to Manchester Grammar School.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    James_M said:

    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.

    And Keswick, Kendal and Windermere
    One in Ulverston. And bizarrely in Knutsford.
    Doesn't pass the "Makerfield Test".
    You’ll know Burnham has levelled up the country when there’s one in Urmston and Skelmersdale.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084

    Trump imposes 50% tariff on Canadian imports

    US President Donald Trump has signed an order imposing a 50% tariff on a wide range of goods imported from Canada, in retaliation for what he called "unequal treatment" of US cars, dairy and alcohol.

    The duties take effect on 19 August and mark a major escalation in trade tensions between the North American neighbours.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4dzq3x3e1o

    This just drives Canada closer to China and Europe.

    It's amazing how much long-term damage Trump is doing to the US.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    edited July 20
    Jobs remaining:
    • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
    • Secretary of State for Scotland
    • Secretary of State for Wales
    • Lord President of the Council
    • Leader of the House of Commons
    • Lord Privy Seal
    • Leader of the House of Lords
    • Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    • Attorney General
    • Advocate General for Northern Ireland
    People remaining:
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 110
    Ha. How did I forget Keswick, I was in their store on Friday. Been to Settle, Clitheroe, Ilkley and Ripon. My East Lancs childhood. Now in Yorkshire, its my Lancashire guiding star!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,164

    Alex Norris Justice

    What's his view on the centuries old idea of jury trial?

    And who on earth is he?
    Previously policing minister, MP in Nottingham, not part of the Manc mafia... (checks a bit further...) went to Manchester Grammar School.
    Quite a promotion
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    Miatta Fahnbulleh now announced on 10 Downing Street Twitter page as DESNZ Secretary.

    2 London MPs in cabinet that I can see so far, her along with Wes Streeting
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,487
    Totally OT but playing Tropico 6 and just got to Modern Times and had the European Union introduced as a Superpower (out of 5, along with America, Russia, China and the Middle East). The introduction of the EU's Ambassador made me laugh.

    Finally, we meet! I'm Eline Dupont, Presidente. I had a few minutes between quangos, so I filled in this lovely form explaining who I am. Now, some people resent the European Union's meticulousnes... indeed, some people prefer to cut corners. But if you cut one corner, you make two more! Fixing cut corners is what the red tape's for, Presidente!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811
    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    James_M said:

    Also Cumbria at Kirby Lonsdale has a branch.

    And Keswick, Kendal and Windermere
    One in Ulverston. And bizarrely in Knutsford.
    Doesn't pass the "Makerfield Test".
    You’ll know Burnham has levelled up the country when there’s one in Urmston and Skelmersdale.
    Despite the slightly silly name, Urmston is a solidly middle class suburb and very much Booths territory. I suspect the only reason it is not there is that Sainsburys is already entrenched.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,939
    50% income tax rate soon,?

    Will it start at:

    £125,140 current start point of 45%
    £100,000 and maybe restore personal allowance to all so only those with income around £150,000+ pay more
    Maybe a lower level??
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    I think there's one in Salford Quays.
    Looks like they are all north of the M62 and well west of the A1(M). Except for the Knutsford anomaly. https://www.booths.co.uk/stores/
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,164
    viewcode said:

    Jobs remaining:

    • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
    • Secretary of State for Scotland
    • Secretary of State for Wales
    • Lord President of the Council
    • Leader of the House of Commons
    • Lord Privy Seal
    • Leader of the House of Lords
    • Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    • Attorney General
    • Advocate General for Northern Ireland
    People remaining:
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
    I think you are missing Transport which is likely to stay with Heidi given she is in the waiting room
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    I think there's one in Salford Quays.
    The mediacity one closed a while back from memory
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811
    James_M said:

    Ha. How did I forget Keswick, I was in their store on Friday. Been to Settle, Clitheroe, Ilkley and Ripon. My East Lancs childhood. Now in Yorkshire, its my Lancashire guiding star!

    I was in Booths in Keswick two weeks ago. Perhaps Blanche can reflect on the chances of two pbers in the same supermarket within a fortnight.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    I think there's one in Salford Quays.
    Looks like they are all north of the M62 and well west of the A1(M). Except for the Knutsford anomaly. https://www.booths.co.uk/stores/
    Fair enough. It must have closed. I wonder if Knutsford remains because its location close to the motorway makes it easy to serve logistically?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324

    viewcode said:

    Jobs remaining:

    • Secretary of State for Northern Ireland
    • Secretary of State for Scotland
    • Secretary of State for Wales
    • Lord President of the Council
    • Leader of the House of Commons
    • Lord Privy Seal
    • Leader of the House of Lords
    • Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    • Attorney General
    • Advocate General for Northern Ireland
    People remaining:
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
    I think you are missing Transport which is likely to stay with Heidi given she is in the waiting room
    You are correct, thank you
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084
    What time do we reckon the final Cabinet appointment will be made?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    eek said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    You won't find one in the Manchester Merseyside area either. Very much Lancs Cumbria.
    I think there's one in Salford Quays.
    The mediacity one closed a while back from memory
    Bit of a worry if you are trying to be the Waitrose of the north and the luuvies don't shop there enough.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,028
    Streeting = Defence.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,028
    Streeting = Defence.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    What time do we reckon the final Cabinet appointment will be made?

    11.59...just not sure which day.
  • Simon_PeachSimon_Peach Posts: 434
    Shopped in Booth’s Settle today… two bottles of wine and two Portuguese custard tarts… feeling a bit Bourgeois for round here, ‘appen.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,028
    edited July 20
    Kevin Maguire insisting this represents a shift to the left when almost everyone else believes the opposite, if anything.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    Cookie said:

    Was talking Burnham with the wife earlier - agreed that it is at least refreshing to have a PM without an annoying voice. This is probably more important than it ought to be.

    I thought the same! Ditto the Chancellor
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416

    What time do we reckon the final Cabinet appointment will be made?

    Tomorrow morning
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,627
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    There's a Booths in Ilkley.
    Sounds like an invasion.
    I think Boots are all over the place. Even Ilford has a Boots.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Wee Dougie back in Scotland
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    kle4 said:

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
    Wrong reward for him though.

    Huge mistake.

    He's a health, housing, regional development type guy imho not tanks.
    Streeting moves from one massive bureaucracy to another. How will be do? His NHS experience is mixed. On the one hand he's overseen a modest but measurable improvement in the service. The NHS in England is going in the right direction albeit slowly. On the other hand he's made a lot of mistakes and those mistakes are costly, not just in money terms.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416

    UK Prime Minister
    @10DowningStreet
    ·
    1m
    Emma Reynolds has been appointed as Chief Secretary to the Treasury
    @hmtreasury
    . She will attend Cabinet.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    edited July 20

    ...I think you are missing Transport which is likely to stay with Heidi [Alexander] given she is in the waiting room

    Incidentally Heidi Alexander was interviewed by Geoff Marshall on the GBR livery. I liked her.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    edited July 20
    Andy_JS said:

    Streeting = Defence.

    I bet Putin is terrified.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,028
    Andy Burnham is the political equivalent of the 5th Beatle. (You heard it here first).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    FF43 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wes = Defence Secretary

    Wes Defence Secretary

    Colour me shocked again. He's getting some genuine reward for putting his head up and quitting, even if he was so openly gunning for Starmer he really had no choice.
    Wrong reward for him though.

    Huge mistake.

    He's a health, housing, regional development type guy imho not tanks.
    Streeting moves from one massive bureaucracy to another. How will be do? His NHS experience is mixed. On the one hand he's overseen a modest but measurable improvement in the service. The NHS in England is going in the right direction albeit slowly. On the other hand he's made a lot of mistakes and those mistakes are costly, not just in money terms.
    Where now the "Darzi Plan" ???

    Darzi has twice been asked by gov to come up with a radical poly-clinics-style plan for nhs.

    Is it once again to be binned by a new Sec of State?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084

    What time do we reckon the final Cabinet appointment will be made?

    11.59...just not sure which day.
    I guess he could just decide to have a smaller Cabinet. Pitt the Younger only had 11 members of his Cabinet, besides himself, in his first Ministry, and 12 in his second.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    edited July 20
    Kinnock == wales
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy Burnham is the political equivalent of the 5th Beatle. (You heard it here first).

    Or the 5th Smiths.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Winterfell latest:


    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    Burnham's cabinet so far is incredibly northern in terms of seats. Mahmood seems to be the most southern - she's a Birmingham MP - and nobody from London, or indeed south of Birmingham so far. But several southern MPs now waiting inside No 10.

    All the southerners failed the key interview question about chips, gravy and curry sauce?
    The candidates were asked if they did their weekly shopping in Booths. If yes, cabinet post. If no, the sack.
    What's Booths? Is that an upmarket Morrisons?
    Burnham is having you straight out of the job.

    Though technically it’s more a Lancashire thing than a northern one. You won’t find one in Yorkshire or Northumberland.
    There's a Booths in Ilkley.
    Sounds like an invasion.
    I think Boots are all over the place. Even Ilford has a Boots.
    BootHs, Sunil, not Boots.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511

    What time do we reckon the final Cabinet appointment will be made?

    11.59...just not sure which day.
    I guess he could just decide to have a smaller Cabinet. Pitt the Younger only had 11 members of his Cabinet, besides himself, in his first Ministry, and 12 in his second.
    The number of ministers just seems to grow and grow.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Reeves is new attorney G.
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