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  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685

    Miliband and Mahmood walking up Downing Street together

    Top trolling from them.
    I think you mean strolling

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,444

    MikeL said:

    CROSSOVER - Healey favourite

    Mahmood available above Evens

    Healey as Chancellor 🤗 it gets better and better. He was an absolutely hopeless communicator and minister.
    Also went native, the Treasury would be delighted
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486
    Hermer gone so there's at least some good news!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,855
    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486
    RIP Kevin Keegan
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    edited July 20
    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,855

    Mahmood and Miliband going in together to fight it out for CoE.

    Rock, paper, scissors. Best of five.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    Dream on - only the Tories could create a crisis like Truss.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,607

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
    Er no...

    If you consistently overpay your taxes year after year, HMRC will treat it as an ongoing mistake that needs correcting, rather than accepting it as extra revenue.
  • interestedinterested Posts: 66

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    Dream on - only the Tories could create a crisis like Truss.
    Only the tories would recognise their mistake and correct it quickly.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
    One tax policy SuperAndy could consider is open tax books as in several nordic countries. The rich compete to pay most taxes. It's a macho thing (for both sexes)

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,761
    Hilary Benn out
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,938

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
    Er no...

    If you consistently overpay your taxes year after year, HMRC will treat it as an ongoing mistake that needs correcting, rather than accepting it as extra revenue.
    The treasury will let you make a voluntary payment here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    Dream on - only the Tories could create a crisis like Truss.
    Only the tories would recognise their mistake and correct it quickly.
    Clutching at straws there.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    Burnham and his allies have always been ‘The bond markets need to be brought to heel’
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,727

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    The best budget (when it comes) since 1986?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    Foss said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
    Er no...

    If you consistently overpay your taxes year after year, HMRC will treat it as an ongoing mistake that needs correcting, rather than accepting it as extra revenue.
    The treasury will let you make a voluntary payment here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government
    Fair enough, I stand corrected.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    edited July 20

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    I quit for the public sector 3 months ago mate, and am now deducting my 12.5% pension contributions from my salary so I fall beneath the £125k threshold. You are paying me under this government to be a wealth taker and not a wealth maker, and funding my future final salary pension. Next, I will take my kids out of private school so you can pay for them too.

    Well done!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311
    So far the sackings bring to mind Theresa and Liz when they took over...

    Not the best of omens...
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,975

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    Don't let a Shahed hit you on the way in.
  • interestedinterested Posts: 66

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,602
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Remarkable how the Sun has the next Budget when nobody else knows the CofE.
    Yes, only the Sun and the Reformograph know the truth...
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    edited July 20

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Yes, I agree with that (see Truss).

    But the markets will ultimately react to what the chancellor does, not who they are. Funded policies -> ok; unfunded policies -> not ok (as Truss found out).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690
    Ed Miliband and Mahmood arrive in No 10
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    Dream on - only the Tories could create a crisis like Truss.
    He's sacking all the Starmer loyalists, like she did. Maybe next he'll just appoint all his loyal mates, like she did. We know he's playing all of Labour's greatest hits from a misreading of the 70s and 80s, like she did.

    The patterns are ominous.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690
    Louise Haigh walking up Downing Street too
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,194

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Yes, I agree with that (see Truss).

    But the markets will ultimately react to what the chancellor does, not who they are. Funded policies -> ok; unfunded policies -> not ok (as Truss found out).
    They'll also react to what they think the chancellor will do.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    It’s one of the reasons I gave up work.

    As I told the Labour canvasser at the weekend. It really doesn’t pay to work in this country. You get punished.

    Why work if you don’t need to ?

    I had plenty more to do and offer as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    Yes, that's right. Of those two options, I gave up.

    It simply wasn't worth it anymore.

    That's the effect this administration's policies have had on me.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    I quit for the public sector 3 months ago mate, and am now deducting my 12.5% pension contributions from my salary so I fall beneath the £125k threshold. You are paying me under this government to be a wealth taker and not a wealth maker, and funding my future final salary pension. Next, I will take my kids out of private school so you can pay for them too.

    Well done!
    Weren't you always deducting your pension contributions from your salary?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    HYUFD said:

    Louise Haigh walking up Downing Street too

    A woman of conviction.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,653

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We absolutely can and must do. But that doesn’t rule out 50% - if it’s used to cut the deficit then the gilt markets won’t mind at all. Of all taxes to raise, income tax is amongst the best one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Ben doesn't give a fuck because he's actually quite well off and has a nice house, and doesn't have to work.

    The only thing he cares about is a wealth tax coming for his property.

    It'd be hard not to laugh if it does.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Yes, I agree with that (see Truss).

    But the markets will ultimately react to what the chancellor does, not who they are. Funded policies -> ok; unfunded policies -> not ok (as Truss found out).
    "Time to call for the IMF" on my PB.com comments bingo card.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984
    edited July 20
    FF43 said:

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Yes, I agree with that (see Truss).

    But the markets will ultimately react to what the chancellor does, not who they are. Funded policies -> ok; unfunded policies -> not ok (as Truss found out).
    "Time to call for the IMF" on my PB.com comments bingo card.
    Everyone losing their shit about summat made up by the Telegraph or Sun seems to be an hourly occurrence.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,428

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    I quit for the public sector 3 months ago mate, and am now deducting my 12.5% pension contributions from my salary so I fall beneath the £125k threshold. You are paying me under this government to be a wealth taker and not a wealth maker, and funding my future final salary pension. Next, I will take my kids out of private school so you can pay for them too.

    Well done!
    Weren't you always deducting your pension contributions from your salary?
    Doesn't the fact that you're already doing this indicate that the mooted rise actually made no difference?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,789

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    Whoever pays the piper calls the tune
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Louise Haigh walking up Downing Street too

    A woman of conviction.
    🤣

    Louise Haigh 🧟‍♂️

    Get ‘er in there as Darren Jones upgrade please Andy. 🤣

    What a day this is turning out to be!
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    malcolmg said:

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    Whoever pays the piper calls the tune
    There’s an easy solutuon in that case. Run a balanced budget and don’t borrow from them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    FF43 said:

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Yes, I agree with that (see Truss).

    But the markets will ultimately react to what the chancellor does, not who they are. Funded policies -> ok; unfunded policies -> not ok (as Truss found out).
    "Time to call for the IMF" on my PB.com comments bingo card.
    Given no one has said it I wouldn’t be calling house yet.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,392

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    Yes, that's right. Of those two options, I gave up.

    It simply wasn't worth it anymore.

    That's the effect this administration's policies have had on me.
    Presumably you are still doing useful work though and, ultimately, that's what matters.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    I quit for the public sector 3 months ago mate, and am now deducting my 12.5% pension contributions from my salary so I fall beneath the £125k threshold. You are paying me under this government to be a wealth taker and not a wealth maker, and funding my future final salary pension. Next, I will take my kids out of private school so you can pay for them too.

    Well done!
    Weren't you always deducting your pension contributions from your salary?
    They now take me beneath the 45p threshold and restore some of my personal allowance.

    This was a factor in me taking my new job. Due to lazy, resentful and bitter people who don't work and try and destroy those of us who do.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    Baroness Jenny Chapman has confirmed she'll leave the post of international development and Africa minister.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Mortimer said:

    MikeL said:

    I hate to say it but there is some money for Miliband as Chancellor.

    Gilt markets would go bonkers....
    We can't have gilt markets dictating who can or cannot be CoE. .
    We can’t have the government ignoring reality. Especially when we are short of money and gilt prices are at highs.
    Ben doesn't give a fuck because he's actually quite well off and has a nice house, and doesn't have to work.

    The only thing he cares about is a wealth tax coming for his property.

    It'd be hard not to laugh if it does.
    I'd be laughing with you. I have consistently pushed for a wealth tax in my posts on here. Yes it would adversely affect me but I would like to see a fairer society, better public services and reduced borrowing.

    I have also pushed for taxing income fairly so that unearned and pension income is taxed at the same rates as earned income - that would also adversely affect me.

    Yes I am relatively well off - entirely through my own efforts (nowhere your income though) - and could afford a bit more tax which I think is the only way to reduce borrowing and pay for better services.

    Finally, anyone who loves their money more than their country is no patriot and should be told to piss off and be stripped of their British citizenship*

    (*Ok maybe that last point is a wind up.)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    It’s one of the reasons I gave up work.

    As I told the Labour canvasser at the weekend. It really doesn’t pay to work in this country. You get punished.

    Why work if you don’t need to ?

    I had plenty more to do and offer as well.
    Burnham is about to punish them some more.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    49s
    Louise Haigh to be appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster AND first secretary of state.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    Andy_JS said:

    Darren Jones gone

    That is a surprising one. Wonder what Burnham's beef was with him.
    Starmer ally. No room for such in the new Politburo
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    edited July 20

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    Cheerio
    I quit for the public sector 3 months ago mate, and am now deducting my 12.5% pension contributions from my salary so I fall beneath the £125k threshold. You are paying me under this government to be a wealth taker and not a wealth maker, and funding my future final salary pension. Next, I will take my kids out of private school so you can pay for them too.

    Well done!
    I'm assuming that we are paying you to do what you used to do - at a cost that is less than it would have cost the public sector to hire you through the consultancy you used to work for....

    As such everyone apart from your previous employers is better off..

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    49s
    Louise Haigh to be appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster AND first secretary of state.

    My reading is that's a John Prescott type move.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239

    Baroness Jenny Chapman has confirmed she'll leave the post of international development and Africa minister.

    Glad she made the announcement. It’s all the man on the street wanted to know.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Burnham would be more conciliatory towards Starmer loyalists but he's obviously decided he can afford to stick two fingers up at them.

    You know who else did that?
    Liz.....
    Andy Burnham is Labour Truss.

    Discuss.
    The best budget (when it comes) since 1986?
    Naughty!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    Yes, that's right. Of those two options, I gave up.

    It simply wasn't worth it anymore.

    That's the effect this administration's policies have had on me.
    Presumably you are still doing useful work though and, ultimately, that's what matters.
    I am responding to circumstances for what is best for me and my family right now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    Cameras are now trained on No 11, where we’re expecting to see the new chancellor soon.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,211

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    Yes, that's right. Of those two options, I gave up.

    It simply wasn't worth it anymore.

    That's the effect this administration's policies have had on me.
    Presumably you are still doing useful work though and, ultimately, that's what matters.
    I am responding to circumstances for what is best for me and my family right now.
    I’m glad that you are applying your labour to the greater good of the nation comrade
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606
    Really surprised how much of the cabinet is being replaced. A lot more resignations/sackings than I expected. Thought he might be going for more continuity but clearly not. It also reminds us how many no marks and no bodies surrounded Keir Starmer. It really was the worst cabinet of my life time by a significant margin. Things can only get better.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,761
    John Healey is COE
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 8,033
    edited July 20
    Betfair says Healey has it - cannot be backed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626
    Healey!
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 102
    Whoa!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311

    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    49s
    Louise Haigh to be appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster AND first secretary of state.

    Deputy PM, in other words?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Darren Jones gone

    That is a surprising one. Wonder what Burnham's beef was with him.
    Starmer ally. No room for such in the new Politburo
    We miss the days when they would lined up against the wall of a cellar…

    On a day like this it’s easy to imagine Labour out of power for 18 years again. They’ve lost the plot.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,027
    I really thought Mahmood was going to get the job.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    Yes, that's right. Of those two options, I gave up.

    It simply wasn't worth it anymore.

    That's the effect this administration's policies have had on me.
    Presumably you are still doing useful work though and, ultimately, that's what matters.
    I am responding to circumstances for what is best for me and my family right now.
    I’m glad that you are applying your labour to the greater good of the nation comrade
    "The Greater Good!"
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,761

    John Healey is COE

    Money for defence !!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606
    edited July 20
    John Healey as Chancellor! Bloody hell. Does he know anything about economics?

    He worked in the Treasury before but in a fairly junior role. Gobsmacked.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    Jesus, Healey is CX! Ok. Anyone want to come in with me on a defence startup?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675

    John Healey is COE

    Yessssssssssssss! 🤣
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311

    John Healey is COE

    Lefties start realizing they've been played... Again! 😂
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413

    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    49s
    Louise Haigh to be appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster AND first secretary of state.

    My reading is that's a John Prescott type move.
    Yeh, she's definitely an absolute key figure in this new administration.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,565
    Shows you what the so called journalists knew !
  • Healey CoE, seems a sensible move.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,565
    DavidL said:

    John Healey as Chancellor! Bloody hell. Does he know anything about economics?

    More than Mahmood that’s for sure . He has worked in the Treasury before .
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 8,033
    Healey was Treasury Minister under Blair.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    DavidL said:

    John Healey as Chancellor! Bloody hell. Does he know anything about economics?

    He worked in the Treasury before but in a fairly junior role. Gobsmacked.

    Half a decade in HMT as a minister.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,014
    edited July 20
    Hope Healey knows more about money than he did about how many ships we have
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690
    Healey Chancellor. A safe pair of hands but will be expected to implement Burnham's economic agenda
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675

    John Healey is COE

    Money for defence !!!
    From where exactly? There’s no magic money trees. 🙂

    Healey is a hopeless out of touch politician with zero communication skills.
    What Labour is doing to itself today is delicious.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,855
    Healey Chancellor.

    We really are going back to the 1970s.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606
    HYUFD said:

    Healey Chancellor. A safe pair of hands but will be expected to implement Burnham's economic agenda

    Denis was a pretty decent Chancellor but I am not sure on what basis he is a safe pair of hands.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690
    GIN1138 said:

    John Healey is COE

    Lefties start realizing they've been played... Again! 😂
    Not if all the rumoured Burnham tax and spend comes to fruition
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    Gnomes of Zurich will be pleased.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,620
    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311
    Did anyone notice Burnham say he'll set out his "new" ten year plan for the country, later in the year.

    Think that's a pretty big hint we'll get an early election, maybe in the autumn, but certainly by next spring as the emphasis on the word "new" kind of implies a fresh mandate will be needed...
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162

    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    49s
    Louise Haigh to be appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster AND first secretary of state.

    My reading is that's a John Prescott type move.
    More party management than real government.

    Makes sense
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    edited July 20
    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    John Healey

    (I am good at this prediction game.)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,211
    Healey Labour chancellor. Strong sense of Déjà vu.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,324
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Broadest shoulders, apparently !
    Who then say, fuck this, throw off the payload and either give up or go to Dubai.
    I seem to remember you talking about doing that a couple of years back and look where you now work - in a public sector job...
    He's got kids. Not a good position to emigrate
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    John Healey is COE

    That's one decent appointment.

    I very much doubt I'll like all his policies, but he's certainly worthy of respect.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162
    Surely Burnham needs to have women in the other two Great Offices of State.

    So no change?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    John Healey is COE

    Money for defence !!!
    From where exactly? There’s no magic money trees. 🙂

    Healey is a hopeless out of touch politician with zero communication skills.
    What Labour is doing to itself today is delicious.
    Casino's happy to make a contribution, I hear.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,882
    John Healey’s a Cambridge gentleman, he’ll be an awesome Chancellor.
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