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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 1:59PM
    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,675

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    From the judgement

    This country is nuts.


    “ The judge accepts that it's not in the public interest because the family (a) does not meet the immigration rules, (b) cannot speak English, and (c) would require public funds, but decides that the mental health impact on the Gazan woman in the UK outweighs the public interest.”

    “ None of these people speak English but yes they'll all likely get jobs and all the children will easily integrate because they have the "capacity to learn"”


    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2077718953929941204?s=61
    Could hardly be a more definitive statement that the judge isn't concerned about the public interest. The impact on the Gazan woman would be a lot worse if (say) Restore came to power.
    Here is another of the judge's decisions:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/asylum-seeker-joined-terror-group-so-she-could-stay-in-uk/
    This was her ninth appeal

    Why was she not just hoofed out after appeal 2 or 3 failed ?

    Even the judge disputed her honesty but still let her stay.

    Utterly nuts.
    How do you get 9 appeals? An appeal surely should be singular.
    Oh, you poor, sweet naif. I think Trump is on his sixth appeal in Carroll II. Lucy Letby is on her third go at appealing her original court judgement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    Cheer up everybody, it could be worse, we could have had yet another a major tournment disaster like Germany keep doing.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 280
    edited 2:03PM

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    From the judgement

    This country is nuts.


    “ The judge accepts that it's not in the public interest because the family (a) does not meet the immigration rules, (b) cannot speak English, and (c) would require public funds, but decides that the mental health impact on the Gazan woman in the UK outweighs the public interest.”

    “ None of these people speak English but yes they'll all likely get jobs and all the children will easily integrate because they have the "capacity to learn"”


    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2077718953929941204?s=61
    No, the judiciary are nuts. That would never pass a public vote.
    Which is why we have an independent Judicary so that each individual is treated equally and fairly by the system based on the unique circumtances involved rather than by what ever happens to be currently popular with most people.

    When the Nazis marched into Czechoslovakia the good citizens of Prague took to the streets to cheer as jews were thrown from their houses!

    Peter.
    No they didn't, you're thinking of the Sudetenland (German-inhabited in those days), NOT Prague.
    You may well be right but it did happen in Prague all be it at a later date. The point stands. Put the judicary in the hands of the populus and you run the risk of mob rule.

    When they come to the door with pitchforks and torches and say "Burn the Witch!" you need one to say "No that's illegal!" not "I'll lead you to the Witch!"

    Peter.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,877
    China laying bare the brutal facts:

    Donald Trump:
    "It is costing us $2 billion a day to reopen the Strait of Hormuz"

    China's Foreign Minister:
    "The Strait was open before the war. The root of the problem lies in your illegal operations against Iran; you created a global crisis
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049
    edited 2:05PM
    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,009

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    From the judgement

    This country is nuts.


    “ The judge accepts that it's not in the public interest because the family (a) does not meet the immigration rules, (b) cannot speak English, and (c) would require public funds, but decides that the mental health impact on the Gazan woman in the UK outweighs the public interest.”

    “ None of these people speak English but yes they'll all likely get jobs and all the children will easily integrate because they have the "capacity to learn"”


    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2077718953929941204?s=61
    Could hardly be a more definitive statement that the judge isn't concerned about the public interest. The impact on the Gazan woman would be a lot worse if (say) Restore came to power.
    Here is another of the judge's decisions:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/asylum-seeker-joined-terror-group-so-she-could-stay-in-uk/
    This was her ninth appeal

    Why was she not just hoofed out after appeal 2 or 3 failed ?

    Even the judge disputed her honesty but still let her stay.

    Utterly nuts.
    How do you get 9 appeals? An appeal surely should be singular.
    Oh, you poor, sweet naif. I think Trump is on his sixth appeal in Carroll II. Lucy Letby is on her third go at appealing her original court judgement.
    Yes, generally speaking the only limit on the number of appeals will be finding a judge who accepts that you have grounds for an appeal, and so will agree to hear it. In the various legal cases surrounding Enoch Burke's dismissal as a teacher one judge now appears to have agreed to handle the case on behalf of the rest of the judiciary (I wonder what the quid pro quo is for that) and he has dismissed one application to appeal as groundless and vexatious, but generally judges are very lenient.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:05PM
    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”

    The man is a moron.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:09PM
    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.

    Kane limitation is unlike an Mbappe, Messi, Bellingham, even Haaland, he can't generate a chance for himself by beating players, he needs the supply. In so many big games England have gone super defensive, then Kane ends up coming deeper and deeper to get the ball, from which the best he can do is spread the ball wide.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,512
    edited 2:08PM

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    From the judgement

    This country is nuts.


    “ The judge accepts that it's not in the public interest because the family (a) does not meet the immigration rules, (b) cannot speak English, and (c) would require public funds, but decides that the mental health impact on the Gazan woman in the UK outweighs the public interest.”

    “ None of these people speak English but yes they'll all likely get jobs and all the children will easily integrate because they have the "capacity to learn"”


    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2077718953929941204?s=61
    No, the judiciary are nuts. That would never pass a public vote.
    Which is why we have an independent Judicary so that each individual is treated equally and fairly by the system based on the unique circumtances involved rather than by what ever happens to be currently popular with most people.

    When the Nazis marched into Czechoslovakia the good citizens of Prague took to the streets to cheer as jews were thrown from their houses!

    Peter.
    No they didn't, you're thinking of the Sudetenland (German-inhabited in those days), NOT Prague.
    You may well be right but it did happen in Prague all be it at a later date. The point stands. Put the judicary in the hands of the populus and you run the risk of mob rule.

    When they come to the door with pitchforks and torches and say "Burn the Witch!" you need one to say "No that's illegal!" not "I'll lead you to the Witch!"

    Peter.
    Or maybe a year earlier (1938), when the Nazis marched into Austria, the good citizens of Vienna took to the streets to cheer.

    Fellow Germans and all that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,128
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What a bonkers definition of "family". At the most it should mean children under 18 and at the most one other current active parent to their children in this context.
    They will have been advised by expert immigration lawyers who know exactly how to work the system, and probably know the judge socially too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    For various reasons (Popularity, money, club & national historic support) there is no sport deeper in the world than men's football. It is probably the toughest to succeed at as a nation. England does enjoy advantages to a degree, but you can't compare it to the women's game or other sports played by a fraction of the nations involved in men's (association) football.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.
    Arsenal is going to be fun this season! Sounds like no Saliba for five months - best defender on the planet. Could be a surprise winner of the league, I reckon.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,680
    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    I know this one miss! Fund women's sport more than most countries do.

    Let's check back in fifty years.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,512

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT: It was kind of England to let Argentina win yesterday, And perhaps good diplomacy in the long run, now that Argentina has a reasonably good leader, after so many terrible ones.

    It was like giving a cookie to a little boy who has been raising hell, when he finally settles down for a while.

    (Of course, whoever in the UK government thought of this ploy deserves some credit, but will never be able to admit it, publicly.)

    Given the banner displayed by the Argentine team, the ploy you outline seems notably ineffective.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cm20r1g92zmt

    The final will be an unequal contest if half the team are suspended - as they should be under FIFA rules.
    "The World Cup might not be ours, but the Falkland Islands definitely are," the prime minister's official spokesperson says.
    Asked who Starmer would be supporting in the final, she says: "The PM wishes both teams well for the final, especially Spain."
    I'm looking forward to the insolent United Provinces of the Río de la Plata getting whipped by their rightful colonial masters.

    Argentina es española!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    Anyway I think Olyarazabal can win the Ryder World cup for Europe Spain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:13PM
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    For various reasons (Popularity, money, club & national historic support) there is no sport deeper in the world than men's football. It is probably the toughest to succeed at as a nation. England does enjoy advantages to a degree, but you can't compare it to the women's game or other sports played by a fraction of the nations involved in men's (association) football.
    StatsBomb provide analysis on an insane number of men professional leagues. Basically if it filmed, they have analysed it, and every other team knows all that data. There is no, I have never seen this bloke before. They know every kick you have made from about 16 years old. Men's rugby is going the same, and T20 cricket the same.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,877

    China laying bare the brutal facts:

    Donald Trump:
    "It is costing us $2 billion a day to reopen the Strait of Hormuz"

    China's Foreign Minister:
    "The Strait was open before the war. The root of the problem lies in your illegal operations against Iran; you created a global crisis

    Brent Crude up 8% in last 5 days at $81.70
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,830
    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,877
    SKS going to 3rd place play off?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    edited 2:17PM
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.
    Arsenal is going to be fun this season! Sounds like no Saliba for five months - best defender on the planet. Could be a surprise winner of the league, I reckon.
    Best to give Rice a good 6 weeks recuperation from his food poisoning I think.

    One question for Arsenal is will PGMOL ref the corners as they have been in this world cup ? (Not that it is Arsenal's only strength, but you took full advantage of the rules as they were ^^; )
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:21PM

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,689

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT: It was kind of England to let Argentina win yesterday, And perhaps good diplomacy in the long run, now that Argentina has a reasonably good leader, after so many terrible ones.

    It was like giving a cookie to a little boy who has been raising hell, when he finally settles down for a while.

    (Of course, whoever in the UK government thought of this ploy deserves some credit, but will never be able to admit it, publicly.)

    Given the banner displayed by the Argentine team, the ploy you outline seems notably ineffective.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cm20r1g92zmt

    The final will be an unequal contest if half the team are suspended - as they should be under FIFA rules.
    "The World Cup might not be ours, but the Falkland Islands definitely are," the prime minister's official spokesperson says.
    Asked who Starmer would be supporting in the final, she says: "The PM wishes both teams well for the final, especially Spain."
    I'm looking forward to the insolent United Provinces of the Río de la Plata getting whipped by their rightful colonial masters.

    Argentina es española!
    The irony of the Argentinian claim to the Falklands is that it relies on the colonial Spanish claim to the islands.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,128

    It feels like as soon as the former and current government tries to close one abused route, another one opens, thanks to loopholes and judges taking a very generous interpretation of the laws on the books.

    We are seeing this with the "skilled migrant" sponsoring e.g. A Dominos franchise with a couple of outlets claiming they need 20 odd skilled "chefs".

    It's getting to the point where I wouldn't be opposed to taking these decisions out of the hands of the judges.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,379
    carnforth said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    I know this one miss! Fund women's sport more than most countries do.

    Let's check back in fifty years.
    This is how the UK charged up the medal table at the Olympics. Funding sports vastly more than other countries in a very consistent, results based manner.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,774

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    also means we never fund sports like basketball or ice hockey that are fun to play because too many other nations are good at it - we'd rather fund the elitist sports like rowing/cycling where we have an edge at an olympic medal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on.
    Richard Williams set out to create his girls as tennis champions and through guts and determination succeeded.
    Anthony Hamilton did the same with Lewis in motorsport and through 3 jobs, remortgaging his house and the fact he didn't need to worry about his marriage to Mum (Divorced when Lewis was 2) created a champion.
    But these are the stories we know and hear about...

    My guess is boy's/men's association football has the most "failures" when it comes to extreme parental sacrifice to try and get little Jimmy scouted by Man United.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,249

    China laying bare the brutal facts:

    Donald Trump:
    "It is costing us $2 billion a day to reopen the Strait of Hormuz"

    China's Foreign Minister:
    "The Strait was open before the war. The root of the problem lies in your illegal operations against Iran; you created a global crisis

    Brent Crude up 8% in last 5 days at $81.70
    The mid-terms are getting closer.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:29PM
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on.
    Richard Williams set out to create his girls as tennis champions and through guts and determination succeeded.
    Anthony Hamilton did the same with Lewis in motorsport and through 3 jobs, remortgaging his house and the fact he didn't need to worry about his marriage to Mum (Divorced when Lewis was 2) created a champion.
    But these are the stories we know and hear about...

    My guess is boy's/men's association football has the most "failures" when it comes to extreme parental sacrifice to try and get little Jimmy scouted by Man United.
    There was a really good documentary on Ch4 a couple of years ago following the age groups at Crystal Palace academy. Remember out of a whole year if they get one per year at the age of 16/18 into the First Team that is deemed success. They will have probably over that cycle had 20-30 in the year group, but cycled in and out many other over the years.

    A few others probably do drop down the leagues and make a living, however it is increasingly hard to go from being in one of these academies with all the facilities, the training, the medical backup and playing high quality matches every week, to going to play Conference football. I have a family friend kid who is in a top academy, never known any different, I can't see if they get released going to play lower league football.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.
    Arsenal is going to be fun this season! Sounds like no Saliba for five months - best defender on the planet. Could be a surprise winner of the league, I reckon.
    Best to give Rice a good 6 weeks recuperation from his food poisoning I think.

    One question for Arsenal is will PGMOL ref the corners as they have been in this world cup ? (Not that it is Arsenal's only strength, but you took full advantage of the rules as they were ^^; )
    Nope, the changes to the corners will, if anything, help Arsenal. It's all about delivery. If you can't wrestle Gabriel, he'll be scoring for fun.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,009

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I think there are nearly twice as many professional football clubs in England as in France (in men's football). So that should give England a greater depth for the national team to draw on.

    But the results suggest that there are lots of things going wrong between the depth of the professional game in England and the ability of the national team.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,069

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I vaguely remember that when Manchester United Ladies played the Wilmslow Grammar School under 16s the ladies lost something like 9-0

    Even the 'elite' are not that elite

    Also, other than the very top players, that have very short careers on minimum wage.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 289
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ln31g8gvo

    "Aberdeen University worker charged over Ann Widdecombe death comments"

    (Some suggestion online that the BBC have made an error here, and the charges actually relate to earlier, much more egregious comments by the same individual.)

    #pbfreespeech
    Did this guy and his friends support free speech when running to the Police to complain about people daring to have the wrong opinion on the issue of so called trans-women ?

    Including the Linehan arrest.

    Free speech does not come without legal consequence.

    That is usually what supporters of these people say when they are using the police to harrass gender critical posters.

    Different now the boot is on the other foot.
    The *only* consequence of free speech should be the free speech of others in response.

    Absolutely nothing else. Nada. Zilch. Fuck-all.

    Introduce 'consequences' and speech immediately ceases to be free.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    Laid France in the 3rd place playoff at even money. Basing this on French national character - I think they'll care about the match even less than us.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:37PM

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I think there are nearly twice as many professional football clubs in England as in France (in men's football). So that should give England a greater depth for the national team to draw on.

    But the results suggest that there are lots of things going wrong between the depth of the professional game in England and the ability of the national team.
    In the past 10 years, the FA changed the rules so top level academies can take on many more boys. It has vastly centralised the talent. So the number of pro clubs is a bit of irrelevance now and it also makes the rise through the league ala Jamie Vardy is incredibly rare. If you haven't come through the EPL academy system it very hard to get a look in.

    A good example is my boyhood club Crewe, they used to get local lads and then ones that deemed at 11 not quite good enough for Man Utd / Liverpool etc. They then under first Dario Gradi and later Steve Holland (Gareth Southgate's assistant) coached incredibly well and they got loads through to the first team. Because of the reputation of their academy and the quality of the player, many got moves to the EPL. That hasn't happened now for 10 years. Most of the talent from Crewe and Stoke are allowed now to join Man Utd / Man City and vice versa they aren't being released as often early because of artificial restrictions on numbers.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I think there are nearly twice as many professional football clubs in England as in France (in men's football). So that should give England a greater depth for the national team to draw on.

    But the results suggest that there are lots of things going wrong between the depth of the professional game in England and the ability of the national team.
    Steady on, we have gone from being a bit of a joke to at least making semi finals and finals consistently. That's not to be sniffed at. Look at the mess the Germans are in.

    It's obvious that the Spanish/Latin model of football is what everyone should aspire to. But it's not as simple as just doing it. It's a culture that can't simply be transferred around the world. The fact that 20% of PL managers were born in an area of Spain with a population of 700,000 tells us just how important culture and heritage is.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,009
    KnightOut said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ln31g8gvo

    "Aberdeen University worker charged over Ann Widdecombe death comments"

    (Some suggestion online that the BBC have made an error here, and the charges actually relate to earlier, much more egregious comments by the same individual.)

    #pbfreespeech
    Did this guy and his friends support free speech when running to the Police to complain about people daring to have the wrong opinion on the issue of so called trans-women ?

    Including the Linehan arrest.

    Free speech does not come without legal consequence.

    That is usually what supporters of these people say when they are using the police to harrass gender critical posters.

    Different now the boot is on the other foot.
    The *only* consequence of free speech should be the free speech of others in response.

    Absolutely nothing else. Nada. Zilch. Fuck-all.

    Introduce 'consequences' and speech immediately ceases to be free.
    If my wife were to start verbally abusing me every chance she got I hope that the consequence of that would be a divorce.

    It's impossible to have completely free speech with zero consequences. Of course there will always be consequences, and so - equally - most people will think before they speak, even if it's to avoid hurting the feelings of people they care about. (That's a consequence too.)

    The question is what consequences are appropriate for what speech, and who decides.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,379
    Tres said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    also means we never fund sports like basketball or ice hockey that are fun to play because too many other nations are good at it - we'd rather fund the elitist sports like rowing/cycling where we have an edge at an olympic medal.
    Cycling is more elitist than ice hockey?

    Incidentally, rowing is one of the few sports where you need to spend zero on personal special kit. You join a club, for a couple of hundred a year and you get access to the boats. You don't even need shoes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:42PM

    Tres said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    also means we never fund sports like basketball or ice hockey that are fun to play because too many other nations are good at it - we'd rather fund the elitist sports like rowing/cycling where we have an edge at an olympic medal.
    Cycling is more elitist than ice hockey?

    Incidentally, rowing is one of the few sports where you need to spend zero on personal special kit. You join a club, for a couple of hundred a year and you get access to the boats. You don't even need shoes.
    You do need to budget for your weekly shop being doulbed though given the number of calories you are burning. I lived with a rower at uni, the lad must have been eating 5-6-7k calories a day. He never stopped shovelling stuff into his gob while probably being single figure body fat.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I think there are nearly twice as many professional football clubs in England as in France (in men's football). So that should give England a greater depth for the national team to draw on.

    But the results suggest that there are lots of things going wrong between the depth of the professional game in England and the ability of the national team.
    In the past 10 years, the FA changed the rules so top level academies can take on many more boys. It has vastly centralised the talent. So the number of pro clubs is a bit of irrelevance now and it also makes the rise through the league ala Jamie Vardy is incredibly rare. If you haven't come through the EPL academy system it very hard to get a look in.

    A good example is my boyhood club Crewe, they used to get local lads and then ones that deemed at 11 not quite good enough for Man Utd / Liverpool etc. They then under first Dario Gradi and later Steve Holland (Gareth Southgate's assistant) coached incredibly well and they got loads through to the first team. Because of the reputation of their academy and the quality of the player, many got moves to the EPL. That hasn't happened now for 10 years. Most of the talent from Crewe and Stoke are allowed now to join Man Utd / Man City and vice versa they aren't being released as often early because of artificial restrictions on numbers.
    One of the more bonkers things is that the Premier League clubs have to have an academy. Brentford shut theirs a few years back because they worked out that it was a complete waste of their time and money. If they ever did get hold of a talented youngster, Chelsea (probably) or someone else would come in for them before they turned 16.

    Brentford's model is similar to that of Crewe but further down the road. They look for players that weren't given enough of a chance by a bigger club and were discarded too quickly.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,689
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    I think there are nearly twice as many professional football clubs in England as in France (in men's football). So that should give England a greater depth for the national team to draw on.

    But the results suggest that there are lots of things going wrong between the depth of the professional game in England and the ability of the national team.
    Steady on, we have gone from being a bit of a joke to at least making semi finals and finals consistently. That's not to be sniffed at. Look at the mess the Germans are in.

    It's obvious that the Spanish/Latin model of football is what everyone should aspire to. But it's not as simple as just doing it. It's a culture that can't simply be transferred around the world. The fact that 20% of PL managers were born in an area of Spain with a population of 700,000 tells us just how important culture and heritage is.
    England has improved hugely. If they can maintain the current quality for the next 20 years they will win a major tournament, possibly several.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,845

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    Turns out this is why Shabana's been trying to crack down on family reunification by excluding adult siblings:

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15979879/Family-18-Gaza-wins-human-rights-challenge.html

    "A family of 18 from Gaza has won the right to come to Britain after launching a human rights challenge in the British courts.

    The landmark case was brought after a Gazan-born mother-of-three - who came to the UK as a refugee and is now a British citizen – was refused permission to bring her extended family into this country.

    Her relatives – both parents; a brother, his wife and four children; a sister and four children; and another sister, her husband and three children – won a legal challenge on human rights grounds."

    But if you're a citizen and want to marry a foreigner, get ready to prove your income!

    Absolutely insane

    Do they want Reform to win ?

    More economically inactive burdens on the hard pressed taxpayer kicking people on the waiting list for houses down a rung or two

    She can only accomodate 2.
    What ever law allows adults to move because a relative has got here needs to be replaced as priority one...

    Equally I don't see why even children should be allowed if you've left them abroad that's on you..
    We looked out of curiosity at the rules for moving to Canada after my wife's parents got Canadian citizenship.

    The rules are a citizen can sponsor children under 18. Adult children and other relatives can not be sponsored.

    Seems reasonable to me.

    If a sibling or other adults wants to come here, they should apply for a visa, same as everyone else.
    How is there a "human right" to bring your grown-up brother and sister and their spouses and children to the country?

    There is a "right" that your siblings have to live within a hundred miles of you or something?
    Especially in the modern world, with mass communications. We're not saving up for stamps for postcards once a month and a telephone call once a year, like in 1950 when the ECHR was conceived.
    From the judgement

    This country is nuts.


    “ The judge accepts that it's not in the public interest because the family (a) does not meet the immigration rules, (b) cannot speak English, and (c) would require public funds, but decides that the mental health impact on the Gazan woman in the UK outweighs the public interest.”

    “ None of these people speak English but yes they'll all likely get jobs and all the children will easily integrate because they have the "capacity to learn"”


    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2077718953929941204?s=61
    Could hardly be a more definitive statement that the judge isn't concerned about the public interest. The impact on the Gazan woman would be a lot worse if (say) Restore came to power.
    Here is another of the judge's decisions:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/12/asylum-seeker-joined-terror-group-so-she-could-stay-in-uk/
    This was her ninth appeal

    Why was she not just hoofed out after appeal 2 or 3 failed ?

    Even the judge disputed her honesty but still let her stay.

    Utterly nuts.
    How do you get 9 appeals? An appeal surely should be singular.
    Oh, you poor, sweet naif. I think Trump is on his sixth appeal in Carroll II. Lucy Letby is on her third go at appealing her original court judgement.
    Lettby has appealed each trial once only. Now plans to go to CCRC, which is the next normal stage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:50PM
    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.
  • novanova Posts: 962
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.
    Arsenal is going to be fun this season! Sounds like no Saliba for five months - best defender on the planet. Could be a surprise winner of the league, I reckon.
    Surely Arsenal were a surprise winner already? ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited 2:59PM
    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    Philips was a) perfect Biesla ball player and b) didn't he get injured as he signed for Man City playing for England and then never got going after that.

    Also, Pep tactics are nuts. Its a whole cheorographed dance where the pitch is split into these different sized boxes and when player 2 goes into box 6, player 5 must move into box 4, player 3 to box 7, etc etc etc. If you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the box you are going to struggle. I think that is probably a reason why Palmer got sold.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049

    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    Philips was a) perfect Biesla ball player and b) didn't he get injured as he signed for Man City playing for England and then never got going after that.

    Also, Pep tactics are nuts. Its a whole cheorographed dance where the pitch is split into these different sized boxes and when player 2 goes into box 6, player 5 must move into box 4, player 3 to box 7, etc etc etc. If you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the box you are going to struggle. I think that is probably a reason why Palmer got sold.
    I assume City bought him as he was English and it filled a quota. He was never going to be in the team ahead of Rodri. Now, Rodri isn't the player he was and Pep has gone, so perhaps Anderson is a more serious signing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,379

    Tres said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    also means we never fund sports like basketball or ice hockey that are fun to play because too many other nations are good at it - we'd rather fund the elitist sports like rowing/cycling where we have an edge at an olympic medal.
    Cycling is more elitist than ice hockey?

    Incidentally, rowing is one of the few sports where you need to spend zero on personal special kit. You join a club, for a couple of hundred a year and you get access to the boats. You don't even need shoes.
    You do need to budget for your weekly shop being doulbed though given the number of calories you are burning. I lived with a rower at uni, the lad must have been eating 5-6-7k calories a day. He never stopped shovelling stuff into his gob while probably being single figure body fat.
    At seriously level athletics, they are all doing this. The cost of supporting the diet and specialist medical feedback is a big chunk of what the Olympic Lottery funding handles, along with the actual coaching.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 280

    It feels like as soon as the former and current government tries to close one abused route, another one opens, thanks to loopholes and judges taking a very generous interpretation of the laws on the books.

    We are seeing this with the "skilled migrant" sponsoring e.g. A Dominos franchise with a couple of outlets claiming they need 20 odd skilled "chefs".

    It's getting to the point where I wouldn't be opposed to taking these decisions out of the hands of the judges.
    We've made a law that we didn't think through properly, then we give it to judges. They imlpiment that bad law.. and we blame the judges and decide to implinment the law in a worse way. Or we could just amend the law or even better, elect politicians to make laws that actually focus on the laws they are passing instead of spending all their time scoring petty points off each other.

    Peter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,379

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    Woke nonsense. I can't even set off small two stage nuclear devices without going through an absurdly restrictive permit system.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    The good thing is with the FFP rules in place if Man City mess up with their signing of Anderson (And it is a colossal amount on one player) then they won't have that cash to spend strengthening the rest of their squad.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049
    nova said:



    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Number of English qualified strikers under 30 that are getting regular minutes in the EPL...the list is very short. Harry Kane is going to be a massive hole to fill.

    And yet... if we're being honest, Kane has never really done it in the big games later in tournaments. How good is Oyarzabal? He's good, but not as good as some. What we need is more ball-playing midfielders who can retain possession. It's shame Grealish went off the boil. He was very un-English and was ideal for tournaments where winning fouls and slowing the game down is important. Not having Saka fully fit also hurt in that regard.
    I am convinced Saka is a lot more injuried than they let on. He literally couldn't run for large periods. He would do 2-3 sprints and that was the total output and couldn't really track back to defend.
    Arsenal is going to be fun this season! Sounds like no Saliba for five months - best defender on the planet. Could be a surprise winner of the league, I reckon.
    Surely Arsenal were a surprise winner already? ;)
    Certainly a huge surprise if you go back to May 2022:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E2gmGS4Zk0
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,680
    edited 3:10PM

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    Woke nonsense. I can't even set off small two stage nuclear devices without going through an absurdly restrictive permit system.
    The present elevating of dogs above humans is one of my, er, pet peeves.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,756

    NEW THREAD

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,049
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    The good thing is with the FFP rules in place if Man City mess up with their signing of Anderson (And it is a colossal amount on one player) then they won't have that cash to spend strengthening the rest of their squad.
    Ho ho ho.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    Philips was a) perfect Biesla ball player and b) didn't he get injured as he signed for Man City playing for England and then never got going after that.

    Also, Pep tactics are nuts. Its a whole cheorographed dance where the pitch is split into these different sized boxes and when player 2 goes into box 6, player 5 must move into box 4, player 3 to box 7, etc etc etc. If you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the box you are going to struggle. I think that is probably a reason why Palmer got sold.
    I assume City bought him as he was English and it filled a quota. He was never going to be in the team ahead of Rodri. Now, Rodri isn't the player he was and Pep has gone, so perhaps Anderson is a more serious signing.
    Rodri was brilliant against France !

    Age maybe not such a factor in a tournament like the world cup though where three or four brilliant performances can see you winning it all compared to a long and tough Prem campaign though (Also see Messi)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,336
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    Philips was a) perfect Biesla ball player and b) didn't he get injured as he signed for Man City playing for England and then never got going after that.

    Also, Pep tactics are nuts. Its a whole cheorographed dance where the pitch is split into these different sized boxes and when player 2 goes into box 6, player 5 must move into box 4, player 3 to box 7, etc etc etc. If you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the box you are going to struggle. I think that is probably a reason why Palmer got sold.
    I assume City bought him as he was English and it filled a quota. He was never going to be in the team ahead of Rodri. Now, Rodri isn't the player he was and Pep has gone, so perhaps Anderson is a more serious signing.
    Rodri was brilliant against France !

    Age maybe not such a factor in a tournament like the world cup though where three or four brilliant performances can see you winning it all compared to a long and tough Prem campaign though (Also see Messi)
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,566
    I thought all the Visa management/sponsorship stuff had been clamped down on and now it was just high skilled people via regular channels.

    “ Visa sponsor opportunity at a PREMIER location. 🛬

    JVR Stores — a Premier shop in Cwmavon, Port Talbot — is now a licensed UK "Skilled Worker" visa sponsor, added to the Home Office register last month.

    (Home Office register; Companies House 10442538)

    Link in the comments 👇”

    https://x.com/based_data_uk/status/2077641755994800414?s=61

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,216
    carnforth said:

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    Woke nonsense. I can't even set off small two stage nuclear devices without going through an absurdly restrictive permit system.
    The present elevating of dogs above humans is one of my, er, pet peeves.
    Well, it’s more putting the distress of dogs (and their human owners) over over the braindead, antisocial self-pleasuring of some humans. Woke nonsense of course.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,365
    edited 3:21PM

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    Woke nonsense. I can't even set off small two stage nuclear devices without going through an absurdly restrictive permit system.
    That's just a lack of ambition on your part.

    Set off a big enough explosion, and there's nobody coming after you to check the paperwork.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,512

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    Woke nonsense. I can't even set off small two stage nuclear devices without going through an absurdly restrictive permit system.
    That's just a lack of ambition on your part.

    Set off a big enough explosion, and there's nobody coming after you to check the paperwork.
    Death Stars don't kill people, Tarkins do.
  • novanova Posts: 962
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    I think the English talent pipeline is still very strong. If you think about the players that weren't taken, the likes of Palmer, Foden, Wharton, etc.

    Yes I know Palmer and Foden didn't have very good seasons, but they no doubt they have fantastic skills. Palmer was great at the Euros. Foden 3 years ago looked like he could become absolutely world class, technically he is as good as any of the lauded foreign players, injuries, messing with position and something is going on off the field too as dented that. Then we have Grealish, has masses of talent, but loves the birds and the booze too much.

    Striker is the big area that England haven't produced somebody to challenge Kane.

    Anderson to Man City is the big gamble. Whatever happened to Kalvin Phillips? Arguably, we've not been as good since he fell away. Now, Man City have paid a lot more for Anderson, but they are ruthless. He won't play if he can't do what they demand of their midfielders. And that will be that for his career.
    The good thing is with the FFP rules in place if Man City mess up with their signing of Anderson (And it is a colossal amount on one player) then they won't have that cash to spend strengthening the rest of their squad.
    I do realise it's a joke, but even with the old FFP rules (the new ones are less restrictive), Man City could buy multiple £100m+ players and not have an issue.

    Liverpool spent £400m+ last year, but once you take off transfer fees coming in, spread it over 5 year contracts, and build in that some of the highest paid players were leaving within 1-2 years, it's well within what they can afford.

    Remember these clubs now have well over £600m revenue in a single year - the vast majority of which is available for wages/transfers.

    Anderson is looking like much less of a risk than Kalvin Phillips (although injuries played a big part in knocking his confidence). Anderson's stats are hugely impressive across the board - not sure Phillips ever stood out as more than a solid player.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,980

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT: It was kind of England to let Argentina win yesterday, And perhaps good diplomacy in the long run, now that Argentina has a reasonably good leader, after so many terrible ones.

    It was like giving a cookie to a little boy who has been raising hell, when he finally settles down for a while.

    (Of course, whoever in the UK government thought of this ploy deserves some credit, but will never be able to admit it, publicly.)

    Given the banner displayed by the Argentine team, the ploy you outline seems notably ineffective.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cm20r1g92zmt

    The final will be an unequal contest if half the team are suspended - as they should be under FIFA rules.
    "The World Cup might not be ours, but the Falkland Islands definitely are," the prime minister's official spokesperson says.
    Asked who Starmer would be supporting in the final, she says: "The PM wishes both teams well for the final, especially Spain."
    I'm looking forward to the insolent United Provinces of the Río de la Plata getting whipped by their rightful colonial masters.

    Argentina es española!
    The irony of the Argentinian claim to the Falklands is that it relies on the colonial Spanish claim to the islands.
    It actually relies on a previous French colonial claim to the islands that supposedly was transferred by France to Spain and then inherited by Argentina on independence.

    All the historical claims are shaky IMO, including the UK's, as all previous occupants left the islands for long periods, and there was more than occupant on the islands for a period as well.

    The right of the inhabitants to self determination should be paramount however.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,119
    edited 3:56PM

    Tres said:

    tlg86 said:

    Peston wrong again.

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2077643258096759213

    Robert Peston @Peston
    This from my sister Juliet about lessons from last night’s England men’s defeat. She has a point. “Also the positive thing England men's football could do is to consult with women at all levels and in all positions and in more team sports than football, to find out how they win and continue to win. There is of course the Lionesses, but also the England rugby girls who never get beaten and of course they could talk to Tamsin Greenway. The other people they could also talk to, look into what they do, are those involved in Australian team sport. They have the winning formula in just about everything.”


    What would that advice be? Just be better than everyone else? To be fair, the England women did well to grind out the Euros last year. But rugby? Do me a favour!

    My concern about 'the England rugby girls' is whether they are actually any good or whether most of the other teams in that sporting niche are extremely sh*t.
    Its true across pretty much all women's sports. There isn't the strength in depth. The very top of the spear say in womens football, its a different game to the men for starters, but they are fit athletic skillful. But drop down a league or two and its not comparable.

    Try turning up as some randos and play Division Two mens reserve team or an EPL U16 academy, they will absolutely monster you. There are 100s of kids in those EPL academies that from the age of 11 are drilled and drilled and insanely good. And of course maybe not quite to the same level of facilities, but across the world, the same is going on for boys / mens football and has been for basically ever.

    It is why now there aren't really many push-over teams in the world cup. Every national has 15+ players that are incredibly good and have been well drilled in an early age to be at the very least incredibly difficult to break down.
    also means we never fund sports like basketball or ice hockey that are fun to play because too many other nations are good at it - we'd rather fund the elitist sports like rowing/cycling where we have an edge at an olympic medal.
    Cycling is more elitist than ice hockey?

    Incidentally, rowing is one of the few sports where you need to spend zero on personal special kit. You join a club, for a couple of hundred a year and you get access to the boats. You don't even need shoes.
    You do need to budget for your weekly shop being doulbed though given the number of calories you are burning. I lived with a rower at uni, the lad must have been eating 5-6-7k calories a day. He never stopped shovelling stuff into his gob while probably being single figure body fat.
    At seriously level athletics, they are all doing this. The cost of supporting the diet and specialist medical feedback is a big chunk of what the Olympic Lottery funding handles, along with the actual coaching.
    I rowed relatively seriously under 18. We got special dispensation at school for double helpings at all meals, and unlimited milk.

    I remember it very fondly.

    ETA: Gah! Dead thread. 😤
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,930

    The Government has launched a consultation on fireworks to protect dogs and pets

    - Limit loud fireworks to professional displays only

    - Tougher safety rules for lower-risk fireworks

    - Bans on the most dangerous fireworks

    We don't need any more nanny state, thanks.
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